You're dead wrong about it being "rude" to "deny" derivative work to the original author. That's the whole fucking point of BSD, isn't it? That granting access to ANYONE of the derivative works is not required. This is usually the main (only?) point put forward when arguing that BSD is "more Free" than GPL. People using the GPL to create derivative works owe nothing legally or ethically to the BSD originators that close sourced developers using the same BSD code do not, and to suggest otherwise just because the original authors can look but they can't touch is ridiculous at best.
If Theo de Raadt wants to make the point that people shouldn't be cutting out the original BSD license that is fine, and it should definitely be done. But it's a completely different argument than this whining about "community" and "losing friends." He's just upset because he realized that people can use the BSD code and give away their versions without having to give it back to him, too. For that he's just being a prick.
Well I know tons of people who use windows without opening internet explorer. But how many of them can actually remove it from their operating system? I can completely remove the GUI from my Linux without causing any problems unless I want to use a GUI. You should really think that through before using it again, it doesn't really make any sense.
Again, I think it's a lot of B.S. but I think the Ninja myth is to Japan what the Cowboy myth is to the U.S. or what the King Arthur myth is to England.
One of these doesn't belong: Ninja, Cowboy, Knight.
Hint: It's the one that isn't TOTALLY FUCKING AWESOME.
I think you're also seeing the effect of the limited hardware options available in the laptop market. Apple's products compare better on laptops than they do on desktops where they offer a very limited number of configurations compared to other vendors.
Wouldn't they have to assert the "later version" before microsoft distributed it? I don't know if they're going to get reamed over this one, and I can't think of a more deserving corporation, but I'd assume that if it says "GPL version 2 or any later version" that microsoft could just claim that they're using version 2 when they distribute it and then anyone after that would have the freedom to assert a later version themselves.
Even if Suse incorporates GPLv3 code (explicitly, not version 2 "or later") into their main distribution, I don't see any particular reason why they couldn't maintain a "special" (like the little bus) version with whatever previous version of the software could be licensed under v2 or with GPLv2 replacements for the v3 parts.
My money's on microsoft not being on the hook for this one, but they might end up paying some folks off anyway. They tend to do that a lot in situations where they'd rather not have a precedent if it might go against them at the time or in the future.
Funny? WTF?!?! That's one of the most insightful comments I've ever read on slashdot!
Clearly they could only have made the choices they made as evidence by the fact that they made them. It still sucks that they couldn't have had to make different choices with the matrix, though. Those sequels sucked ass.
It could be something to think about, but I find it much more likely that penny arcade just isn't very funny. The few things that I've ever seen on there that are mildly funny, and I will stress the mild part, are also extremely obvious. Perhaps your worldview is very narrow so you aren't introduced to things that are actually funny leaving the bar very low for you. That's probably a more worthwhile topic to think about.
Actually, I probably shouldn't have said a market for bootleg dongles. That was assuming that the dongle would actually work, which it wouldn't. I should have said that it would create a "market" (though probably a free, as in beer, one) for cracks to circumvent the dongle. The difference between this and downloading a serial number are relatively trivial, and I can't think of any practical difference between such a crack and the various cracks available for the current activation schemes that companies are employing. In all likelihood you would see the same situation that you have now with pre-patched disc images making the circumvention invisible to the user and thus making the user experience superior to that of the legitimate copy.
The take aways from the failed DRM experiment should be a) there is no way to successfully deploy such a system to prevent those intent on running an application from doing so if they have the software (so not a service), and b) if an application is useful people will still pay for it, so the only advantage of having DRM is that you end up with a bunch of legitimate users who are pissed off. Which doesn't sound like much of an advantage at all.
It seems like one could make an argument that software that isn't directly "useful" could be more of a problem, particularly since individuals tend to be less likely to fear litigation or legal penalties for getting caught using it than a corporation with an army of lawyers warning them against it. The prime example of this type of software, that I can think of, is games, which as we constantly see piss off the people who do buy them because they're bundled with these types of DRM. I seem to remember hearing something about that recently. Incidentally there seem to be a lot of buyers out there buying these games anyway, just as there are with "useful" applications.
As to the case of Apple and their Mac "dongle," I think you'd see a lot more knockoffs if there were more people wishing to use them who were also unwilling to pay the price. It seems to me, and I'm sure there is objective evidence to support this theory (if anyone has or would study it), that the people who want to use a Mac, for whatever reason, tend to be the kind of folks who will pay for it. It could also be a lack of technical skill on the part of people who would like to not pay for it but still want to use it. But I can't really speak to that with any great authority since I don't have any wish to use a Mac, so I don't really care.
They'd just be creating a market for knockoff dongles. A real solution (for microsoft) would be to just accept the shitloads of cash they're making and stop thinking that they need to act like assholes when they're not rolling around in huge piles of it.
For the rest of us there's always the real solution of just not using it. It's been working out pretty well for me.
Well said. Only I think you over-stated the ability to "get" their "humour" by watching the game industry too closely. Most of their comics aren't funny no matter how well versed you are with the subject matter. On the extremely rare occasion when something they do is funny you have to look no further than their comments to realize that the reason they think it is funny isn't funny at all.
penny arcade is the most over-rated bullshit on the Internet. And no one should have to hide behind AC to say it.
No, liberal means what we think it means. These people just aren't liberal. Anyone who thinks that Hillary Clinton is a liberal in any sense is a fool.
Freedom of speech is how we've gotten into most of the big social messes that we have in the last 30 years. Personally I don't think people should have the right to teach ridiculous lies to children so that they grow up thinking that the truth is absurd. Felony seems a little light for these kind of people.
Don't forget Orson Scott Card suing anyone who isn't a christian nutcase and/or likes good writing for accurately labeling his work (assuming he actually wrote it) as crap and him as a quack.
I actually thought Christmas Nights was cooler than the full game. They should really include a similar mode in this new one so you'd have more to play than just the one level.
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You're dead wrong about it being "rude" to "deny" derivative work to the original author. That's the whole fucking point of BSD, isn't it? That granting access to ANYONE of the derivative works is not required. This is usually the main (only?) point put forward when arguing that BSD is "more Free" than GPL. People using the GPL to create derivative works owe nothing legally or ethically to the BSD originators that close sourced developers using the same BSD code do not, and to suggest otherwise just because the original authors can look but they can't touch is ridiculous at best.
If Theo de Raadt wants to make the point that people shouldn't be cutting out the original BSD license that is fine, and it should definitely be done. But it's a completely different argument than this whining about "community" and "losing friends." He's just upset because he realized that people can use the BSD code and give away their versions without having to give it back to him, too. For that he's just being a prick.
Well I know tons of people who use windows without opening internet explorer. But how many of them can actually remove it from their operating system? I can completely remove the GUI from my Linux without causing any problems unless I want to use a GUI. You should really think that through before using it again, it doesn't really make any sense.
Again, I think it's a lot of B.S. but I think the Ninja myth is to Japan what the Cowboy myth is to the U.S. or what the King Arthur myth is to England.
One of these doesn't belong: Ninja, Cowboy, Knight.
Hint: It's the one that isn't TOTALLY FUCKING AWESOME.
"If IE is 'just a web browser' then emacs is 'just a text editor'."
Well at least you can run a decent text editor inside emacs. How do you run a decent web browser in internet explorer?
You could stop watching the show. It's not an entitlement.
More importantly it's not very good.
"Running Windows^H^H^H^H^H^H^H OSX and Linux in the home. (I don't have time for Solitaire any more.)"
You might have time if you stop using ^H to backspace one letter at a time and start using ^W to remove the whole word.
Oh no! 28 - 5 = 23. And as anyone can tell you, 5 is nothing but 2 + 3. The combined ASCII values for "hardyheron" equal 1076. int(1076/23) = 46. 46 / 2 = 23!
I think you're also seeing the effect of the limited hardware options available in the laptop market. Apple's products compare better on laptops than they do on desktops where they offer a very limited number of configurations compared to other vendors.
Wouldn't they have to assert the "later version" before microsoft distributed it? I don't know if they're going to get reamed over this one, and I can't think of a more deserving corporation, but I'd assume that if it says "GPL version 2 or any later version" that microsoft could just claim that they're using version 2 when they distribute it and then anyone after that would have the freedom to assert a later version themselves.
Even if Suse incorporates GPLv3 code (explicitly, not version 2 "or later") into their main distribution, I don't see any particular reason why they couldn't maintain a "special" (like the little bus) version with whatever previous version of the software could be licensed under v2 or with GPLv2 replacements for the v3 parts.
My money's on microsoft not being on the hook for this one, but they might end up paying some folks off anyway. They tend to do that a lot in situations where they'd rather not have a precedent if it might go against them at the time or in the future.
If you thought his movies were bad just wait until you play the video game.
So big deal if Nintendo and EA are showing up. We care if any big publishers are going to be there!
Funny? WTF?!?! That's one of the most insightful comments I've ever read on slashdot!
Clearly they could only have made the choices they made as evidence by the fact that they made them. It still sucks that they couldn't have had to make different choices with the matrix, though. Those sequels sucked ass.
What would an OSX server possibly give you that you couldn't get cheaper and better on Linux? I'm thinking nothing, so why don't you tell us?
It could be something to think about, but I find it much more likely that penny arcade just isn't very funny. The few things that I've ever seen on there that are mildly funny, and I will stress the mild part, are also extremely obvious. Perhaps your worldview is very narrow so you aren't introduced to things that are actually funny leaving the bar very low for you. That's probably a more worthwhile topic to think about.
Actually, I probably shouldn't have said a market for bootleg dongles. That was assuming that the dongle would actually work, which it wouldn't. I should have said that it would create a "market" (though probably a free, as in beer, one) for cracks to circumvent the dongle. The difference between this and downloading a serial number are relatively trivial, and I can't think of any practical difference between such a crack and the various cracks available for the current activation schemes that companies are employing. In all likelihood you would see the same situation that you have now with pre-patched disc images making the circumvention invisible to the user and thus making the user experience superior to that of the legitimate copy.
The take aways from the failed DRM experiment should be a) there is no way to successfully deploy such a system to prevent those intent on running an application from doing so if they have the software (so not a service), and b) if an application is useful people will still pay for it, so the only advantage of having DRM is that you end up with a bunch of legitimate users who are pissed off. Which doesn't sound like much of an advantage at all.
It seems like one could make an argument that software that isn't directly "useful" could be more of a problem, particularly since individuals tend to be less likely to fear litigation or legal penalties for getting caught using it than a corporation with an army of lawyers warning them against it. The prime example of this type of software, that I can think of, is games, which as we constantly see piss off the people who do buy them because they're bundled with these types of DRM. I seem to remember hearing something about that recently. Incidentally there seem to be a lot of buyers out there buying these games anyway, just as there are with "useful" applications.
As to the case of Apple and their Mac "dongle," I think you'd see a lot more knockoffs if there were more people wishing to use them who were also unwilling to pay the price. It seems to me, and I'm sure there is objective evidence to support this theory (if anyone has or would study it), that the people who want to use a Mac, for whatever reason, tend to be the kind of folks who will pay for it. It could also be a lack of technical skill on the part of people who would like to not pay for it but still want to use it. But I can't really speak to that with any great authority since I don't have any wish to use a Mac, so I don't really care.
They'd just be creating a market for knockoff dongles. A real solution (for microsoft) would be to just accept the shitloads of cash they're making and stop thinking that they need to act like assholes when they're not rolling around in huge piles of it.
For the rest of us there's always the real solution of just not using it. It's been working out pretty well for me.
Well said. Only I think you over-stated the ability to "get" their "humour" by watching the game industry too closely. Most of their comics aren't funny no matter how well versed you are with the subject matter. On the extremely rare occasion when something they do is funny you have to look no further than their comments to realize that the reason they think it is funny isn't funny at all.
penny arcade is the most over-rated bullshit on the Internet. And no one should have to hide behind AC to say it.
Probably the phone numbers and addresses of those Americans and the means by which they were attained.
Because they're so useful to the people granting it.
Doesn't really matter if it's illegal or not, this "president" gets away with it in either case.
No, liberal means what we think it means. These people just aren't liberal. Anyone who thinks that Hillary Clinton is a liberal in any sense is a fool.
Freedom of speech is how we've gotten into most of the big social messes that we have in the last 30 years. Personally I don't think people should have the right to teach ridiculous lies to children so that they grow up thinking that the truth is absurd. Felony seems a little light for these kind of people.
Don't forget Orson Scott Card suing anyone who isn't a christian nutcase and/or likes good writing for accurately labeling his work (assuming he actually wrote it) as crap and him as a quack.
Which makes it just as credible as any other religion.
I actually thought Christmas Nights was cooler than the full game. They should really include a similar mode in this new one so you'd have more to play than just the one level.