That's the problem with Americans though. We seem to think that if something isn't codified as being wrong, it must be right.
I call shenannigans. Too many people no longer even CARE what's right, just what they can get away with, legally, or sometimes in the grey area. As long as you don't get caught, it's ok, right? I mean, if it was legal to kill someone (to take this to it's absurd extreme. Or not so absurd, if you take into account side-effects of unemployment, outsourcing and loss of resources), I may as well do it, right?
This malaise has transferred to our corporations as well. Not all of them, as mentioned in the article, corps like DuPont try to be good citizens. But they're unfortunately a minority. Don't you ever question why America has by orders of magnitude the largest per capita population of lawyers? Because we want to squeak through any crack we can, and take what we can by threading the needle through complicated legalese. Not because it's right, but because we want to outwit the system and get something. Whether it'll hurt others or not.
Gah. Anyway, I'm tired, and slightly tipsy. I hope this rant made sense.
Give him a break. If you read his post history, he's just an MS wag. What's good for the corporation is good for America, you know.
Fuckin' liberals, always wanting corporations to be socially responsible...
The problem is, I've heard of people blowing up their houses because of natural gas fittings. That, and the people who do those are actually certified. It's not usually a DIY job. Same with designing a microwave.
But people want to put software on their computers. Hell, if you want a secure system, mount everything but the swap/temp as read only, and boom. Nothing can go wrong. As soon as you increase the complexity of the system, you run into problems.
It's almost as if you think "Hell, we can build a rowboat that anyone can use, why can't we build a Triton class submarine that anyone can use?"
It was mostly because she has some teenagers using the system, and they are the type who download Comet Cursor, etc. without thinking of what could happen. I know what I'm doing, so I was going off of the review here.
HTH
Wait, what? What does ex-Microsoft have to do with anything? They hire some very talented people. Just because I abhor their corporate policies and marketing doesn't mean that the people who work for them can't have any good points.
As for the wardriving thing... that's stupid. It's the same thing that got MS to the position it's in today. Why not have official wardrivers that find vulnerable AP's and then go knock on doors, telling people to get them fixed? Hit the root of the problem. Increase the barrier of entry for "hackers", the typical script kiddie crap, and 99% of the problem will go away. But just like any crime, you can't get rid of it completely. There will always be people trying to take advantage of others.
If I had mod points, I would give them to you.
On a semi-related note, we're the ones who need to convince people of this. Most people I know are amazed when I tell them what the keyloggers and such do, and show them what just Ad-Aware will come up with. One of my friends (an older lady) actually bought a book on my recommendation because she wants to know what's going on on her computer, and learn more about even basic security.
It takes time, but it's a grassroots movement:) And unless you use the same tactics as the "War on Terror" (the h4x0r5 will get your credit card!) and show them hard evidence of it already being there, it's hard to convince people of the threat.
A few generations of fantasy fans an authors would disagree. Tolkien is the progenitor of many modern fantasy "assumptions", such as dwarves living underground, using axes, elves living in forests, etc.
Or do Americans simply not count as far as literature is concerned?
That's really interesting... because I'm running KDE right now, with xchat, firefox, thunderbird and gaim running, and free says my used memory is 147MB.
This is KDE 3.2 though, so it may be better optimized than whatever version you were running.
I still find Linux to be much less of a memory hog than Windows, and much more graceful in recovering if I ever force anything to swap. You have to restart Windows to get performance back after you hit the swap file.
Due to the nature of the Internet, the ability to "tap" into communications is difficult. It places an unfair onus on service providers for very little benefit, past a "big brother" ability.
This is due to the ethereal nature of Internet communications.
Independent enterprise should not be a legal enforcer. We already have laws that require the disclosure of records, etc. There is no
need to expand the reach of the observational capabilities. Not to mention the fact that if there are any exemptions, such as outlined
in paragraph 16 of the document, then that effectively undermines any impact this bill may have. If someone wishes to hide from the
observation, they simply need to do their communications through a "mom & pop" ISP that isn't beholden to the rules, easily done
through dial-up internet access from virtually anywhere.
I would suggest a more critical eye be turned on this document, and a focus on enforcing the laws already on the books, rather than continually posturing with new bills that do nothing but harm
legitimate citizens and consumers, and place naught but a minor roadblock in the way of true criminals.
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Feel free to use this as a BASIS for your comment, if you agree with what it says. Otherwise, the FCC will see it as simply spamming them.
For any email server with a moderate load, do you even realize how much computation that is? checksumming isn't a trivial process computationally. Besides, it'd make spam even easier. The checksums, etc. would all be the same, so all I'd have to do is respond with a canned reply to any query on a spam I (theoretically) sent. All the while this imposes a PENALTY on LEGITIMATE mail, because of the necessary individual calculations.
Nice idea. It has some major flaws, though.
And according to NetFlow, mail still accounts for 1.19% of all packets, which isn't anything to sneeze at.
It's someone being petty and stupid. It's like the imbeciles who tag with graffiti, and other vandalism.
Note to vandals:
Way to be mature, guys. Maybe you should get out of your parents basement and get a job, and a life.
No, MS IS checking third party software, but not updating it, and still warning you about it. And warning you without telling you exactly what is wrong, the worst kind of error message, one that Windows is quite fond of.
A lot of people on/. (and geeks in general) identify themselves by their intelligence. It's their little clique, the bit that sets them apart from everyone else. And when that is challenged (they actually might not know something), they bluff.
It's not so much an issue of the educational system as an issue of misplaced pride, IMHO.
...you think they'd be doing it if it didn't work? The military may waste money on a lot of things, but not terribly often, and reports normally aren't done on unworking devices.
I know that this is terribly offtopic, but this is EXACTLY what pisses me off about "minorities." You assume that someone is insulting you because they use the term "lifestyle." Lifestyle can be having promiscuous sex, going to clubs, sitting at home and masturbating, and of a LARGE number of things. Yet you think someone means you, and you're being discriminated against, thus giving you the right to... something. Reparations, additional rights, whatever.
Excuse me, but grow the fuck up and get over yourself. You're nowhere near as special as you'd like to think you are.
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Well, considering she upgraded, the 266MHz machine wasn't capable of doing it, was it?
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means. She wasn't forced into anything. It's just that if she wants to use new technology, she needs to use new tools. Period.
I'd hope there was something in Australian law that allowed them to sue for groundless legal threatening. An automated lawsuit threatening system... welcome to America!
Huh. I'd bet a lot of your problems with linux stem from the fact that you haven't had a proper education. I knew how to spell "dying" correctly in first grade.
Let's see... compile time, which is a vast minority of the time spent with an application, or execution speed, which has increased.
Nope. It's not that they don't care about you, it's that they have their priorities in order. Download the binary if it's going to cause you considerable pain to compile.
The thing is, you now know about the vulnerability. I'd rather know about it and fix it than not know about it and let someone exploit it. It's a GOOD thing that people are finding these and reporting them. They'll found either way...
I use Myth to a TV (27" CRT). Actually, that's the only display I have on the machine. I have a GeForce4 in there (not much use for it otherwise... heh) and do everything on the TV. I just shell into it from the laptop when I need to do text intesive work, like updating/compiling/etc.
Consumers aren't the ones who make the country run, it's the corporations. Haven't the politicians taught you anything?
Sheesh, you go to all this trouble of brainwashing the citizens, and how do they repay you? They don't even pay attention!
The point isn't to make it impossible to copy... the point is to make it past the point of diminishing returns. If you have to work too hard to do it, most people will just give up and/or buy the media. Which is what they want.
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That's the problem with Americans though. We seem to think that if something isn't codified as being wrong, it must be right.
I call shenannigans. Too many people no longer even CARE what's right, just what they can get away with, legally, or sometimes in the grey area. As long as you don't get caught, it's ok, right? I mean, if it was legal to kill someone (to take this to it's absurd extreme. Or not so absurd, if you take into account side-effects of unemployment, outsourcing and loss of resources), I may as well do it, right?
This malaise has transferred to our corporations as well. Not all of them, as mentioned in the article, corps like DuPont try to be good citizens. But they're unfortunately a minority. Don't you ever question why America has by orders of magnitude the largest per capita population of lawyers? Because we want to squeak through any crack we can, and take what we can by threading the needle through complicated legalese. Not because it's right, but because we want to outwit the system and get something. Whether it'll hurt others or not.
Gah. Anyway, I'm tired, and slightly tipsy. I hope this rant made sense.
Give him a break. If you read his post history, he's just an MS wag. What's good for the corporation is good for America, you know.
Fuckin' liberals, always wanting corporations to be socially responsible...
The problem is, I've heard of people blowing up their houses because of natural gas fittings. That, and the people who do those are actually certified. It's not usually a DIY job. Same with designing a microwave.
But people want to put software on their computers. Hell, if you want a secure system, mount everything but the swap/temp as read only, and boom. Nothing can go wrong. As soon as you increase the complexity of the system, you run into problems.
It's almost as if you think "Hell, we can build a rowboat that anyone can use, why can't we build a Triton class submarine that anyone can use?"
It was mostly because she has some teenagers using the system, and they are the type who download Comet Cursor, etc. without thinking of what could happen. I know what I'm doing, so I was going off of the review here. HTH
-Pita
Wait, what? What does ex-Microsoft have to do with anything? They hire some very talented people. Just because I abhor their corporate policies and marketing doesn't mean that the people who work for them can't have any good points.
As for the wardriving thing... that's stupid. It's the same thing that got MS to the position it's in today. Why not have official wardrivers that find vulnerable AP's and then go knock on doors, telling people to get them fixed? Hit the root of the problem. Increase the barrier of entry for "hackers", the typical script kiddie crap, and 99% of the problem will go away. But just like any crime, you can't get rid of it completely. There will always be people trying to take advantage of others.
If I had mod points, I would give them to you. :) And unless you use the same tactics as the "War on Terror" (the h4x0r5 will get your credit card!) and show them hard evidence of it already being there, it's hard to convince people of the threat.
On a semi-related note, we're the ones who need to convince people of this. Most people I know are amazed when I tell them what the keyloggers and such do, and show them what just Ad-Aware will come up with. One of my friends (an older lady) actually bought a book on my recommendation because she wants to know what's going on on her computer, and learn more about even basic security.
It takes time, but it's a grassroots movement
A few generations of fantasy fans an authors would disagree. Tolkien is the progenitor of many modern fantasy "assumptions", such as dwarves living underground, using axes, elves living in forests, etc.
Or do Americans simply not count as far as literature is concerned?
That's really interesting... because I'm running KDE right now, with xchat, firefox, thunderbird and gaim running, and free says my used memory is 147MB.
This is KDE 3.2 though, so it may be better optimized than whatever version you were running.
I still find Linux to be much less of a memory hog than Windows, and much more graceful in recovering if I ever force anything to swap. You have to restart Windows to get performance back after you hit the swap file.
Just had to give you props for your sig
Due to the nature of the Internet, the ability to "tap" into communications is difficult. It places an unfair onus on service providers for very little benefit, past a "big brother" ability. This is due to the ethereal nature of Internet communications. Independent enterprise should not be a legal enforcer. We already have laws that require the disclosure of records, etc. There is no need to expand the reach of the observational capabilities. Not to mention the fact that if there are any exemptions, such as outlined in paragraph 16 of the document, then that effectively undermines any impact this bill may have. If someone wishes to hide from the observation, they simply need to do their communications through a "mom & pop" ISP that isn't beholden to the rules, easily done through dial-up internet access from virtually anywhere. I would suggest a more critical eye be turned on this document, and a focus on enforcing the laws already on the books, rather than continually posturing with new bills that do nothing but harm legitimate citizens and consumers, and place naught but a minor roadblock in the way of true criminals. ================ Feel free to use this as a BASIS for your comment, if you agree with what it says. Otherwise, the FCC will see it as simply spamming them.
For any email server with a moderate load, do you even realize how much computation that is? checksumming isn't a trivial process computationally. Besides, it'd make spam even easier. The checksums, etc. would all be the same, so all I'd have to do is respond with a canned reply to any query on a spam I (theoretically) sent. All the while this imposes a PENALTY on LEGITIMATE mail, because of the necessary individual calculations.
Nice idea. It has some major flaws, though.
And according to NetFlow, mail still accounts for 1.19% of all packets, which isn't anything to sneeze at.
It's someone being petty and stupid. It's like the imbeciles who tag with graffiti, and other vandalism.
Note to vandals: Way to be mature, guys. Maybe you should get out of your parents basement and get a job, and a life.
No, MS IS checking third party software, but not updating it, and still warning you about it. And warning you without telling you exactly what is wrong, the worst kind of error message, one that Windows is quite fond of.
Hrm... the Internet Storm Center... slashdotted... that'd be interesting. Somewhat poetic. But doubtful.
A lot of people on /. (and geeks in general) identify themselves by their intelligence. It's their little clique, the bit that sets them apart from everyone else. And when that is challenged (they actually might not know something), they bluff.
It's not so much an issue of the educational system as an issue of misplaced pride, IMHO.
...you think they'd be doing it if it didn't work? The military may waste money on a lot of things, but not terribly often, and reports normally aren't done on unworking devices.
I know that this is terribly offtopic, but this is EXACTLY what pisses me off about "minorities." You assume that someone is insulting you because they use the term "lifestyle." Lifestyle can be having promiscuous sex, going to clubs, sitting at home and masturbating, and of a LARGE number of things. Yet you think someone means you, and you're being discriminated against, thus giving you the right to... something. Reparations, additional rights, whatever.
Excuse me, but grow the fuck up and get over yourself. You're nowhere near as special as you'd like to think you are.
Well, considering she upgraded, the 266MHz machine wasn't capable of doing it, was it?
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means. She wasn't forced into anything. It's just that if she wants to use new technology, she needs to use new tools. Period.
I'd hope there was something in Australian law that allowed them to sue for groundless legal threatening. An automated lawsuit threatening system... welcome to America!
Huh. I'd bet a lot of your problems with linux stem from the fact that you haven't had a proper education. I knew how to spell "dying" correctly in first grade.
Let's see... compile time, which is a vast minority of the time spent with an application, or execution speed, which has increased.
Nope. It's not that they don't care about you, it's that they have their priorities in order. Download the binary if it's going to cause you considerable pain to compile.
The thing is, you now know about the vulnerability. I'd rather know about it and fix it than not know about it and let someone exploit it. It's a GOOD thing that people are finding these and reporting them. They'll found either way...
I use Myth to a TV (27" CRT). Actually, that's the only display I have on the machine. I have a GeForce4 in there (not much use for it otherwise... heh) and do everything on the TV. I just shell into it from the laptop when I need to do text intesive work, like updating/compiling/etc.
Consumers aren't the ones who make the country run, it's the corporations. Haven't the politicians taught you anything?
Sheesh, you go to all this trouble of brainwashing the citizens, and how do they repay you? They don't even pay attention!
The point isn't to make it impossible to copy... the point is to make it past the point of diminishing returns. If you have to work too hard to do it, most people will just give up and/or buy the media. Which is what they want.