If you use the "remote desktop" menu entries in ubuntu it uses this new vino/vinagre stuff, which does indeed share the session between local and remote somehow.
Pure VNC doesn't need a gfx card and works entirely in software, you get a virtual screen for X clients to attach to that doesn't have any presence on a physical output.
Try just vncserver : on the server and then on the client you can use gvncviewer (on linux) or whatever else you want to connect to servername:. You'll want to set up a password first, through vncpasswd.
Not sure if you get the login screen or if you get straight into X, but as I say - no card needed and no monitor output.
I've had lots of good experience with the rdesktop client program, and for the other way around there's VNC. I'm not convinced about the vino/vinagre thing they're pushing, but it *seems* to be the VNC equivalent of windows remote desktop. I prefer using vncserver directly.
One thing I've found really hard to find on *any* system is a UPnP client. I know that Windows Vista can do it and treats UPnP media servers much the same way it treats samba/windows networking servers. But trying to get either an XP or linux friendly UPnP client program or filesystem driver seems impossible.
I don't know, games don't bother me much, I play them on consoles now. I gave up on having a gaming rig, or even a rig at all when I went all-laptop a few years back. It stops me going out and spending money on new bits all the time too:)
Funny. I had *precisely* the opposite problem with the tv tuner.
On windows it cmae with this awful, slow, nasty proprietary software that took ages to load, lost the ability to change channel every so often and was a nasty, nasty resource hog. It also took over the entire screen for it's crappy, non-standard front end. And when I re-installed and couldn't find the cd it came with, well that was it done. No chance.
On linux I just fire up kaffeine and away it goes. It's great, responsive and usable.
Sorry you don't like OpenOffice, I prefer it to word now but I know there are rendering differences.
But firefox? I've never had to do anything to FF on linux to get java or flash going. I've never even heard of anyone having java problems with a browser on any platform since 2002...
I know it's not for everyone, but IMHO it's at least the equal of windows now. But then I'm not a gamer, and games are just not made for linux at the moment. It's a vicious circle - It's a small market so few games are made, and because there are few games it stays small...
"For windows power users, it's actually a lot less attractive."
FTFY. There are plenty of UNIX power users out there who love Linux. They also tend to like MacOS, which I probably ought to try at some point.
Linux doesn't have much of a chance with people who have years of windows experience and no desire to learn anything new for the sake of it, true. But some people want to learn, and others won't have had the years of experience.
Still, I'll begrudgingly agree with a lot of the posters here - I get on with it so well because I know it inside out and have been using it for a decade (on and off). It's really helped my career, programming commercial UNIX boxes (and linux servers) would have been quite a leap if I'd never had the ability to admin my own through this free unix-like x86 OS with masses of web support.
That said - nvidia-settings allows you to do some of that stuff graphically, but usually requires restarting X, so it doesn't let you change on the fly.
Now, on well supported chips like intel's there's this neat little command-line app called xrandr that does all that. Yeah, I know, I said the C word, command line, but be not afraid! Just typing "xrandr" will show you a list of the detected outputs and the resolutions they offer.
I work on a laptop with another screen plugged in for dual screen. When I have to go to a meeting I need to unplug the second one. On a laptop, typically, the main screen is referred to as LVDS and anything attached via D-SUB is known as VGA, though xrandr will tell you what it's calling your displays.
So I type "xrandr --output VGA --off" to switch the second screen off. X reconfigures itself without stopping and all the apps are fine. When I come back to my seat it's "xrandr --output VGA --preferred --left-of LVDS"
So anyway, it's not simple but it's not rocket science. And you can stick it in a script and make a button on your task bar for the script, which I have now.
I'm not sure how well nVidia support xrandr. There are probably graphical ways of using it too, a quick search turns up grandr (for gtk) and gnome-randr-applet, which are probably worth taking a look at.
(Yes, I know, I'm going to get replies saying "well it's not there by default" and "how should I know that" and "Joe User doesn't care", well this comment isn't aimed at Joe, it's aimed at anyone that might find the info useful)
1. That's why we're talking about tech literate people who understand what an OS is
2. Linux has wider printer support (and with less crapware) than windows does, with the exception of lexmark brand printers. Got an older printer? More likely supported on Ubuntu than vista, that's for sure. And it found my network printer right away, unlike windows for which I had to download 50MB of god-knows-what from HP.
It's far more likely that stuff in the repository is safe than something you just download off the net. In most cases.
The normal repositories are provided by the same folks that put together your OS, and the downloads are signed by them so you know you're getting the software from a trusted source. Linux does let you skip the "check for malware" step with things you get from trustworthy repositories due to this signing mechanism. Unless the repo is contaminated, but that's somewhat unlikely and would be found very fast.
And if you don't trust the people you get your OS from then... well that would be special.
You should be as careful adding new repositories to your system in much the same way you would be careful trusting a third party website to get software from. And careful adding packages you download from the web in the same way that you are with windows.
There's everything you can imagine available for linux. And as for quality... you're being a troll.
That said, I agree with the general tenet, that it's not such a simple process. It took a few years of me dabbling with it in much the manner you described before I suddenly felt that something had clicked and I preferred it.
it would look poor for each season of Terminator to wrap up with "Skynet is defeated" and then the next say "Oh wait, no it isn't!"
Oh absolutely, and it's annoying when that stuff happens.
But at the same time it would be nice just sometimes to have something that was thought out in advance and planned over a few seasons to tell a definite story. I.E. skynet defeated by end of S3. No "well it's popular, lets string it out" or "it's unpopular, wrap it up folks!"
Never did watch this Terminator series. To be honest I'm getting bored of the whole series model. The idea these days seems to be to start off as many subplots as possible and then take care never to resolve anything so that there's always room for another season. Then you string it out for as long as you can until you get cancelled. If you're lucky you get a really rushed ending in two episodes that clumsily attempts to tie up the storyline. Quite often not though.
"Really it makes sense: Criminals use guns to kill people, and gun laws do not affect criminal gun ownership. Hence, you can't legislate away murder."
You can legislate away a portion of impulse murder and accident by otherwise law abiding citizens, the V-Tech and Columbine things probably wouldn't have happened either.
Also, if you don't believe that low availability of guns affects their price and availability to criminal elements... well anyway.
Also, check out the crime figures - the US has a very high rate of murder and of rape. "gunless" countries tend to have higher rates of minor crimes, but the violent ones seem to be favoured over there in 'merica.
But not as much, when there isn't a ready source of legal ones to steal.
But I agree with your point in general. Drugs do not go away because they're banned, for instance. I would dispute this has anything to do with steering people though. Steering people has dropped drunk driving figures massively in the UK. Steering via education, not changes in the law as it was already illegal.
There's a hell of a lot that can be done in terms of public information and education. Frankly though I don't see the problem with this particular act. If minors want the games then let the parents buy them, go with a certificate scheme like movies to age-rate them and you've got a reasonable system.
Seriously, what's the actual problem with this law?
Actually, even if not, the circumstances are now rather dubious. Hopefully it hasn't been damaged in the course of it being sold in two parts and shipped around in private hands.
Granny is probably on the cheapest 0.5-2Mbps package, whereas the downloader is paying more for the premium, faster packages.
Add to that the whole new class of broadband media consumers using iTunes and YouTube and Hulu... well, I think the early part of this decade where the downloader was the biggest hog and only paid the minimum is over.
No, no it's not solely digital. It's modulated on much higher frequency analog than voice (hence the microfilter can split them), but it is most certainly not a digital technology.
Sure, I'm not saying it's actually that great on any sort of absolute scale, but IMHO (and that of others I've shown some of my pics to), it's a good shot and, not being that photographically inclined, those are unusual for me.
But I am saying that I fed it some much more mediocre crap and it loved it. Perhaps the problem it has is inherent - this whole topic is so subjective that it's pointless.
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VNC doesn't work that way.
If you use the "remote desktop" menu entries in ubuntu it uses this new vino/vinagre stuff, which does indeed share the session between local and remote somehow.
Pure VNC doesn't need a gfx card and works entirely in software, you get a virtual screen for X clients to attach to that doesn't have any presence on a physical output.
Try just vncserver : on the server and then on the client you can use gvncviewer (on linux) or whatever else you want to connect to servername:. You'll want to set up a password first, through vncpasswd.
Not sure if you get the login screen or if you get straight into X, but as I say - no card needed and no monitor output.
Well, for one, I don't always want that.
But yes, not a bad idea.
Remote desktop with Ubuntu as a client or server?
I've had lots of good experience with the rdesktop client program, and for the other way around there's VNC. I'm not convinced about the vino/vinagre thing they're pushing, but it *seems* to be the VNC equivalent of windows remote desktop. I prefer using vncserver directly.
One thing I've found really hard to find on *any* system is a UPnP client. I know that Windows Vista can do it and treats UPnP media servers much the same way it treats samba/windows networking servers. But trying to get either an XP or linux friendly UPnP client program or filesystem driver seems impossible.
"Do you think you're actually accomplishing anything other than making yourself look like an asshole?"
Actually, you're the one that's accomplished that for yourself. I just thought it was rather funny - such a high end mouse tacked onto a netbook.
The other responder has it covered but I thought I'd mention that "AT&T Global Network Client" has a version for Linux. I'm using it on Debian.
WINE is a really useful thing.
I don't know, games don't bother me much, I play them on consoles now. I gave up on having a gaming rig, or even a rig at all when I went all-laptop a few years back. It stops me going out and spending money on new bits all the time too :)
apt-get install apache perl php
Funny. I had *precisely* the opposite problem with the tv tuner.
On windows it cmae with this awful, slow, nasty proprietary software that took ages to load, lost the ability to change channel every so often and was a nasty, nasty resource hog. It also took over the entire screen for it's crappy, non-standard front end. And when I re-installed and couldn't find the cd it came with, well that was it done. No chance.
On linux I just fire up kaffeine and away it goes. It's great, responsive and usable.
Sorry you don't like OpenOffice, I prefer it to word now but I know there are rendering differences.
But firefox? I've never had to do anything to FF on linux to get java or flash going. I've never even heard of anyone having java problems with a browser on any platform since 2002...
I know it's not for everyone, but IMHO it's at least the equal of windows now. But then I'm not a gamer, and games are just not made for linux at the moment. It's a vicious circle - It's a small market so few games are made, and because there are few games it stays small...
"For windows power users, it's actually a lot less attractive."
FTFY. There are plenty of UNIX power users out there who love Linux. They also tend to like MacOS, which I probably ought to try at some point.
Linux doesn't have much of a chance with people who have years of windows experience and no desire to learn anything new for the sake of it, true. But some people want to learn, and others won't have had the years of experience.
Still, I'll begrudgingly agree with a lot of the posters here - I get on with it so well because I know it inside out and have been using it for a decade (on and off). It's really helped my career, programming commercial UNIX boxes (and linux servers) would have been quite a leap if I'd never had the ability to admin my own through this free unix-like x86 OS with masses of web support.
nVidia are a weird, special case.
That said - nvidia-settings allows you to do some of that stuff graphically, but usually requires restarting X, so it doesn't let you change on the fly.
Now, on well supported chips like intel's there's this neat little command-line app called xrandr that does all that. Yeah, I know, I said the C word, command line, but be not afraid! Just typing "xrandr" will show you a list of the detected outputs and the resolutions they offer.
I work on a laptop with another screen plugged in for dual screen. When I have to go to a meeting I need to unplug the second one. On a laptop, typically, the main screen is referred to as LVDS and anything attached via D-SUB is known as VGA, though xrandr will tell you what it's calling your displays.
So I type "xrandr --output VGA --off" to switch the second screen off. X reconfigures itself without stopping and all the apps are fine. When I come back to my seat it's "xrandr --output VGA --preferred --left-of LVDS"
So anyway, it's not simple but it's not rocket science. And you can stick it in a script and make a button on your task bar for the script, which I have now.
I'm not sure how well nVidia support xrandr. There are probably graphical ways of using it too, a quick search turns up grandr (for gtk) and gnome-randr-applet, which are probably worth taking a look at.
(Yes, I know, I'm going to get replies saying "well it's not there by default" and "how should I know that" and "Joe User doesn't care", well this comment isn't aimed at Joe, it's aimed at anyone that might find the info useful)
Netbook + MX Revolution?
And that doesn't seem like a weird combination to you?
1. That's why we're talking about tech literate people who understand what an OS is
2. Linux has wider printer support (and with less crapware) than windows does, with the exception of lexmark brand printers. Got an older printer? More likely supported on Ubuntu than vista, that's for sure. And it found my network printer right away, unlike windows for which I had to download 50MB of god-knows-what from HP.
3. Pidgin
4. Not everyone cares about games on PC.
It's far more likely that stuff in the repository is safe than something you just download off the net. In most cases.
The normal repositories are provided by the same folks that put together your OS, and the downloads are signed by them so you know you're getting the software from a trusted source. Linux does let you skip the "check for malware" step with things you get from trustworthy repositories due to this signing mechanism. Unless the repo is contaminated, but that's somewhat unlikely and would be found very fast.
And if you don't trust the people you get your OS from then... well that would be special.
You should be as careful adding new repositories to your system in much the same way you would be careful trusting a third party website to get software from. And careful adding packages you download from the web in the same way that you are with windows.
You had me until lack of apps.
There's everything you can imagine available for linux. And as for quality... you're being a troll.
That said, I agree with the general tenet, that it's not such a simple process. It took a few years of me dabbling with it in much the manner you described before I suddenly felt that something had clicked and I preferred it.
it would look poor for each season of Terminator to wrap up with "Skynet is defeated" and then the next say "Oh wait, no it isn't!"
Oh absolutely, and it's annoying when that stuff happens.
But at the same time it would be nice just sometimes to have something that was thought out in advance and planned over a few seasons to tell a definite story. I.E. skynet defeated by end of S3. No "well it's popular, lets string it out" or "it's unpopular, wrap it up folks!"
Don't worry, I realise this is unrealistic.
This.
Jewel Staite is hot...
Never did watch this Terminator series. To be honest I'm getting bored of the whole series model. The idea these days seems to be to start off as many subplots as possible and then take care never to resolve anything so that there's always room for another season. Then you string it out for as long as you can until you get cancelled. If you're lucky you get a really rushed ending in two episodes that clumsily attempts to tie up the storyline. Quite often not though.
"Really it makes sense: Criminals use guns to kill people, and gun laws do not affect criminal gun ownership. Hence, you can't legislate away murder."
You can legislate away a portion of impulse murder and accident by otherwise law abiding citizens, the V-Tech and Columbine things probably wouldn't have happened either.
Also, if you don't believe that low availability of guns affects their price and availability to criminal elements... well anyway.
Where is that?
It's sure as hell not the UK, or France. Heck, not even the scandinavian countries hit 60%.
It makes it much harder and more personal.
Also, check out the crime figures - the US has a very high rate of murder and of rape. "gunless" countries tend to have higher rates of minor crimes, but the violent ones seem to be favoured over there in 'merica.
"Guns in "gun-less countries" are still there,"
But not as much, when there isn't a ready source of legal ones to steal.
But I agree with your point in general. Drugs do not go away because they're banned, for instance. I would dispute this has anything to do with steering people though. Steering people has dropped drunk driving figures massively in the UK. Steering via education, not changes in the law as it was already illegal.
There's a hell of a lot that can be done in terms of public information and education. Frankly though I don't see the problem with this particular act. If minors want the games then let the parents buy them, go with a certificate scheme like movies to age-rate them and you've got a reasonable system.
Seriously, what's the actual problem with this law?
... says it's a hoax. Any takers?
Actually, even if not, the circumstances are now rather dubious. Hopefully it hasn't been damaged in the course of it being sold in two parts and shipped around in private hands.
Helll, that wasn't entirely unusual back then. I remember my friend's Soundblaster AWE 32 could take extra memory modules...
Yeah, but I'm not sure that guy is a major demographic.
He is an ass, but I'm not sure he's so prevalent. I think you'd end up finding that most DL'ers aren't at it 24/7, just on and off.
I'm not convinced any more.
Granny is probably on the cheapest 0.5-2Mbps package, whereas the downloader is paying more for the premium, faster packages.
Add to that the whole new class of broadband media consumers using iTunes and YouTube and Hulu... well, I think the early part of this decade where the downloader was the biggest hog and only paid the minimum is over.
No, no it's not solely digital. It's modulated on much higher frequency analog than voice (hence the microfilter can split them), but it is most certainly not a digital technology.
Be informed before ranting.
Sure, I'm not saying it's actually that great on any sort of absolute scale, but IMHO (and that of others I've shown some of my pics to), it's a good shot and, not being that photographically inclined, those are unusual for me.
But I am saying that I fed it some much more mediocre crap and it loved it. Perhaps the problem it has is inherent - this whole topic is so subjective that it's pointless.