Right, so you concede on your original claim that SELinux was a patch to bring it up to comparability with other commercial systems, windows included?
Given how it goes over and above what MS offers and has had it for longer?
You're right that none of these systems have been designed for security from the ground up, sure, but you seem to overestimate MS operating systems which simply don't provide some of these features. Open systems are just not done that way.
I, personally, would be very surprised if a stripped down NT 6 system could achieve a higher grade, simply because it requires (semi) formal design from the ground up, not hacked on later.
SELinux was introduced in 2003, whereas windows didn't get any sort of MAC until it released MIC in Server 08 and Vista, years later.
On top of that, I have read about ACL's. They do not provide the same capabilities as SELinux in any way, they are simply an extended set of user top object permission mappings. SELinux goes much further than that in defining different permission levels for the same user, on the same file, dependant on what program they are running at the time. D/SACL does not provide this.
I say again, you don't know what SELinux is, go and read about it.
It really doesn't. SELinux goes way beyond whaat is available on XP, I suggest you read about it sometime.
CC is about design documentation and validation.
SELinux is about very, very granular control over which processes running as which users have access to which files - i.e. running something other than passwd, even as root, would have no access to/etc/shadow. But a verified passwd binary can access it.
As I said, I've not come across a situation where this is true in 10 years, only that the masters might get you in in preference to someone without one at the same experience level.
Wireless telephones work around the same frequencies. Not true mobile phones, but the house ones that need a basestation. Ours used to interrupt the network when a call came in, or ring when there was a large transfer going on. Until we ditched it.
Isn't that what being part of the unlicensed, open, free spectrum means though? Anyone can use it for anything?
I'm afraid that the GP is right. Whilst a degree is a foot in the door, you should only do a masters if you want to. It's not going to get you more money or the ability to skip past others.
Being intelligent, personable and demonstrating knowledge will win out every time, and in general the employment reflects that much better.
1. We're not arguing, someone asked for suggestions
2. The point is not "distro X is better than distro Y" the point is that the manufacturer screwed up and what they distributed was actually broken. Imagine if they put windows on there but the C: drive was too full to apply hotfixes or install any more software. It was that bad.
I don't know when you did it, but Debian on 901 doesn't even require you to do any driver stuff any more. The last piece (wireless) is now in binary form in their repositories.
By the time the 901 was released, advanced mode had been removed for some reason, which was such a great decision. They also (as I mentioned) screwed up the software update/install solution to the point that it wouldn't work.
So it was basically a static, unpatchable system at that point.
With debian it's much more functional and even works faster, though boot isn't as quick as the Xandros boot, which was pretty impressive.
It's worth checking out Ubuntu Netbook Remix, an official ubuntu thing. Myself, I use debian and have no complaints. But then I use it on nearly every computer I own or have access to:)
Xandros on my eee 901 was intuitive and easy to use.
However it was also very difficult to customise in any way at all, and it was broken. Updates routinely failed amongst other problems. It now runs debian and behaves like a small low powered sub-notebook, which is good.
But someone at Xandros and/or asus fscked up bad. This has to be a major contributor to the linux netbook return thing, and then the removal of linux from the shelves. Well, that and some stern words and free money from Microsoft.
"They probably blocked everything VoIP related so that the people next to you don't throttle you for shouting in to your fucking Bluetooth headset while they're trying to read, sleep, or otherwise try to ignore you."
This, so much this.
Flight time is quiet time, for god's sake leave the phone alone or I might just kill you. Trust me, I already hate you enough for having the audacity to get up to use the bathroom, for smelling of *anything* and for claiming rights to the middle armrest between our seats. If you start yakking away I can't be responsible for my actions. Now have fun with your internets but PLEASE shut the hell up.
Quakeworld with Team Fortess did that sort of stuff. It probably borrowed the pipe-bomb concept from Duke, sure, but it had all sorts of clever stuff going on.
I did play it multiplayer, but nowhere near as much as my near obsessive amount of TF play.
It's a funny effect of geekdom trickling over into the real world.
The Joes I know seem to have this irrational hatred of vista, to the extent that one of them went back to his old computer because vista sucks so badly in his opinion.
I have yet to identify anything he can't do with it, it's just that in his mind it's some sort of evil and to be avoided at all costs.
The main guy in quake was YOU though. i guess I never got into duke back when it was popular so I don't have the rosy glow of hindsight there. Quake I loved because of the online community, the explosion of online play and the amazing mods (like TF). I think I must have spent many weeks of real time in that game, and I remember some of the names of the other people and clans very fondly.
Yeah, doesn't seem novel. In GTA: Liberty City Stories for PSP there was this ability too - if you could find the tool to convert stuff to the right format.
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It rated one of the best pictures I've ever taken as 13. Then it rated a fairly generic cityscape at around 60.
I think it has some learning to do.
Great in theory, but you forget the game-store factor, where they buy them back from people at a ratio of about 6-1, if that.
Right, so you concede on your original claim that SELinux was a patch to bring it up to comparability with other commercial systems, windows included?
Given how it goes over and above what MS offers and has had it for longer?
You're right that none of these systems have been designed for security from the ground up, sure, but you seem to overestimate MS operating systems which simply don't provide some of these features. Open systems are just not done that way.
I, personally, would be very surprised if a stripped down NT 6 system could achieve a higher grade, simply because it requires (semi) formal design from the ground up, not hacked on later.
As for the MS security model... LOL
SELinux was introduced in 2003, whereas windows didn't get any sort of MAC until it released MIC in Server 08 and Vista, years later.
On top of that, I have read about ACL's. They do not provide the same capabilities as SELinux in any way, they are simply an extended set of user top object permission mappings. SELinux goes much further than that in defining different permission levels for the same user, on the same file, dependant on what program they are running at the time. D/SACL does not provide this.
I say again, you don't know what SELinux is, go and read about it.
You have no idea what SELinux is, go read a book. It's not group policy.
It really doesn't. SELinux goes way beyond whaat is available on XP, I suggest you read about it sometime.
CC is about design documentation and validation.
SELinux is about very, very granular control over which processes running as which users have access to which files - i.e. running something other than passwd, even as root, would have no access to /etc/shadow. But a verified passwd binary can access it.
Windows can't currently compete with that.
CCEAL 4+ is the highest level one can attain without designing for CC from the ground up.
SELinux presents much tougher security than is commonly available on commercial systems.
There are hardened variants of others (solaris, for instance), but none of the vanilla, commonly available OS variants come close to SELinux.
Where is this data coming from?
As I said, I've not come across a situation where this is true in 10 years, only that the masters might get you in in preference to someone without one at the same experience level.
Maybe it's an American thing.
Wireless telephones work around the same frequencies. Not true mobile phones, but the house ones that need a basestation. Ours used to interrupt the network when a call came in, or ring when there was a large transfer going on. Until we ditched it.
Isn't that what being part of the unlicensed, open, free spectrum means though? Anyone can use it for anything?
I should qualify that with "if you're going for a career in software engineering". If you're an EE or somesuch then that makes life different.
Nope, it's really not.
I'm afraid that the GP is right. Whilst a degree is a foot in the door, you should only do a masters if you want to. It's not going to get you more money or the ability to skip past others.
Being intelligent, personable and demonstrating knowledge will win out every time, and in general the employment reflects that much better.
You totally missed the point of this discussion.
1. We're not arguing, someone asked for suggestions
2. The point is not "distro X is better than distro Y" the point is that the manufacturer screwed up and what they distributed was actually broken. Imagine if they put windows on there but the C: drive was too full to apply hotfixes or install any more software. It was that bad.
I don't know when you did it, but Debian on 901 doesn't even require you to do any driver stuff any more. The last piece (wireless) is now in binary form in their repositories.
By the time the 901 was released, advanced mode had been removed for some reason, which was such a great decision. They also (as I mentioned) screwed up the software update/install solution to the point that it wouldn't work.
So it was basically a static, unpatchable system at that point.
With debian it's much more functional and even works faster, though boot isn't as quick as the Xandros boot, which was pretty impressive.
It's worth checking out Ubuntu Netbook Remix, an official ubuntu thing. Myself, I use debian and have no complaints. But then I use it on nearly every computer I own or have access to :)
Guidance/instructions for the eee range are here:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
I don't know how well it works on other netbooks, but I'm sure it's just a quick google away.
Libertarians are idiots that would return most of the population to serfdom by removing all that protects the weak from the strong.
Xandros on my eee 901 was intuitive and easy to use.
However it was also very difficult to customise in any way at all, and it was broken. Updates routinely failed amongst other problems. It now runs debian and behaves like a small low powered sub-notebook, which is good.
But someone at Xandros and/or asus fscked up bad. This has to be a major contributor to the linux netbook return thing, and then the removal of linux from the shelves. Well, that and some stern words and free money from Microsoft.
This, so much this.
Flight time is quiet time, for god's sake leave the phone alone or I might just kill you. Trust me, I already hate you enough for having the audacity to get up to use the bathroom, for smelling of *anything* and for claiming rights to the middle armrest between our seats. If you start yakking away I can't be responsible for my actions. Now have fun with your internets but PLEASE shut the hell up.
Quakeworld with Team Fortess did that sort of stuff. It probably borrowed the pipe-bomb concept from Duke, sure, but it had all sorts of clever stuff going on.
I did play it multiplayer, but nowhere near as much as my near obsessive amount of TF play.
It's a funny effect of geekdom trickling over into the real world.
The Joes I know seem to have this irrational hatred of vista, to the extent that one of them went back to his old computer because vista sucks so badly in his opinion.
I have yet to identify anything he can't do with it, it's just that in his mind it's some sort of evil and to be avoided at all costs.
True.
The main guy in quake was YOU though. i guess I never got into duke back when it was popular so I don't have the rosy glow of hindsight there. Quake I loved because of the online community, the explosion of online play and the amazing mods (like TF). I think I must have spent many weeks of real time in that game, and I remember some of the names of the other people and clans very fondly.
Each to their own, but it never did impress me.
Some of them were blue!
Also - Quake = The birthplace of Team Fortress and the real genesis of online FPS play.
Frankly Duke 3D was bad enough.
It was no Quake, and that's for certain. I never did get the Duke Hype, it was outdated as soon as it was released.
Eh, not so much. You hear this a lot, usually as a reason that public transport is "impossible".
80% of the US population live in urban and suburban settings.
Yeah, doesn't seem novel. In GTA: Liberty City Stories for PSP there was this ability too - if you could find the tool to convert stuff to the right format.