"I guess I'm just different in that I focus on what you can do with a device in real life, as opposed to Apple Hater Fantasy Land where just because Apple does not condone jailbreaking means it does not exist.
Yes you can do more "with Google's permission" with Android but in the end that does not matter at all when YOU are the one writing the software."
How can you even say these are remotely the same thing, when any given software update might brick your jailbroken phone?
And when Google have opened the actual operating system components so that not only can I write software, I can alter the systems and even build/run it for other systems. All legally.
It's not in any way the same thing.
Go back to apple-fellater-fantasy land where just because you can hack a device that's equivalent to a free, open and portable system.
"I doubt that MS would change anything. They'd probably rather keep paying fines while ignoring the EU ruling."
And the EU would keep putting the fines up until MS found it uneconomical to operate in europe without changing the way they do business. Which is the point of the exercise, to make them realise they need to change or GTFO.
If Daemon only hijack dns requests then they're doing it differently to everyone else. The 'normal' way to use IWF is to route the actual http requests via a logging/blocking proxy.
They're trying to do this properly, if you like X. Personally I can take it or leave it, so I run android on my FreeRunner. But there are folks putting a lot of effort into a linux/X based handset with both hardware and software open.
"Can I install my own OS? No - Android is only open in the sense that I can install my own applications developed for it. However, I cannot install my own OS or even leave the JVM sandbox."
Then you're talking about the handset, not the OS.
I have Android running on alternative (open) hardware and can do what the hell I like with it. There is no comparison here. Android is FOSS. The G1 may not be open hardware, but that's like saying linux isn't FOSS because your router manufacturer doesn't provide an easy way to flash a new image you've made...
GNU is not the only FOSS definition and Android is all under the APL2, not GPL.
You can download the full source, redistribute it, port it to other systems etc etc (and people have done so). The locked use of it on the G1 does not make the OS any less open, just the handset closed.
Android is open from the kernel upwards, you can develop what you like for it without needing a developer account or a jailbreak. This is massively different from the iPhone, on which you can only make software if you have an account and the stack itself is totally closed.
This is why android can now be run on multiple devices, some ported by the community.
Sorry, but there are different qualifications needed for two different jobs.
Just because I can write C doesn't mean I'm the world's best GUI designer. Just because someone speaks legalese doesn't mean they are going to make great laws.
They may make well-written laws, but that doesn't make them good.
I've been using N at home for a couple of years now.
Mostly because B was just always dreadfully slow (nothing like a 10Mbit wired connection), and my G routers got fried when the washing machine decided to die and take as much other equipment as it could with it*. Works very nicely, range is pretty good.
UWB is an interesting tech, I for one welcome the idea of less wires everywhere.
"If you mean as an actual product someone would intentionally seek out then Intel sells 0 GPUs."
False.
They have very good support for linux, to the extent that unless dual-boot and 3d games are your thing, they are pretty much the best option. Until AMD/ATI start making progress that is.
Also for business use they are cheap, reliable and a lot less power-hungry than the other two big players. For business desktop/workstation they make a lot of sense.
Yeah, but who doesn't get an email address from their ISP or some other service?
I know, HTML is hard* and facebook is easy, I guess I just don't get the whole thing. But then I never got why people used to forward dumb chain emails either. Thankfully it seems that the facebooks of the world have taken that sort of thing away from email.
And I warned 'em I did, warned 'em that this sort of thing would happen.
Which is why I run an email server myself and host my own website. My data, my rules. People these days seem to be too keen to throw away absolutely any right or claim of ownership or privacy and give their data away to anyone that asks just because he has a nice web-front end and yet another way to spam their friends with pointless crap.
"We think this is the right way for Facebook to work, and it is consistent with how other services like email work. "
Which is exactly what I've been saying since this whole thing kicked off. What's the big fuss about? It's an old-style homepage and email through a different interface.
No, I think you're the one with the weird definition of control.
I can choose to do whatever the hell I like with a linux system. I have more trust in it because the code can be (and has been) seen by multiple people, I can inspect it and change it to do what I like.
If I were to hear about a linux component pulling this sort of crap (and I would) then I would be free to remove it, disable it, alter it, break it, whatever. And I wouldn't have to hack or reverse engineer anything, because I have absolute control.
I don't know what your definition is, but by the sounds of it nobody is ever in control of a car (unless they built the engine, starting by smelting the iron ore)
"As far as the corporate was concerned many businesses had contracts in place and had already payed for their Vista upgrade whether they liked it or not"
yes, they did. But then the IT guy re-imaged it to XP, in all likelihood. I work for a large corp and vista has a presence here only for testing. My dad is an exec at another and (despite not being technical) seems to have picked up a foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of vista, to the extent that he still uses his 5 year old pc in preference to a brand new laptop because it hasn't got "that vista crap" on it.
You and I both know that microsoft reports a lot of vista sales that didn't last a week. And for once I'm not even talking about linux...
This is true, however you can always use a network share,
Many years ago I had a sweet setup with a dual boot win2k/redhat machine. VMware made it possible to boot either inside the other. Samba provided the file access between the two.
Whilst that *is* evil in and of itself, it doesn't have much bearing on the original premise - that using DRM to prevent copying of media is futile because the decryption key is available.
Whether the same hardware will then play the copied media, which hasn't been signed with the private key, is another matter I guess.
Not many people have the luxury of going to a decent cinema, though the Brixton Ritzy is a nice old place and close to where I live. Brighton is likely to be an exception, being a vibrant and young town.
The M25 belt *is* exceptionally crappy though.
Last few times I've been to a cinema (other than the Ritzy) it's been almost empty, but then I don't watch blockbusters or chick-flicks, I watch the obscure sci-fi.
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"Now why should you chide him for that transition when I was talking about applications, not the OS?"
No, you said the two systems were just as open in the end. They are not.
Get back to me when Apple have released the source and we have a community effort to port iPhone OS to other handsets.
"I guess I'm just different in that I focus on what you can do with a device in real life, as opposed to Apple Hater Fantasy Land where just because Apple does not condone jailbreaking means it does not exist.
Yes you can do more "with Google's permission" with Android but in the end that does not matter at all when YOU are the one writing the software."
How can you even say these are remotely the same thing, when any given software update might brick your jailbroken phone?
And when Google have opened the actual operating system components so that not only can I write software, I can alter the systems and even build/run it for other systems. All legally.
It's not in any way the same thing.
Go back to apple-fellater-fantasy land where just because you can hack a device that's equivalent to a free, open and portable system.
"I doubt that MS would change anything. They'd probably rather keep paying fines while ignoring the EU ruling."
And the EU would keep putting the fines up until MS found it uneconomical to operate in europe without changing the way they do business. Which is the point of the exercise, to make them realise they need to change or GTFO.
If Daemon only hijack dns requests then they're doing it differently to everyone else. The 'normal' way to use IWF is to route the actual http requests via a logging/blocking proxy.
You might want to check out Openmoko....
They're trying to do this properly, if you like X. Personally I can take it or leave it, so I run android on my FreeRunner. But there are folks putting a lot of effort into a linux/X based handset with both hardware and software open.
"Can I install my own OS? No - Android is only open in the sense that I can install my own applications developed for it. However, I cannot install my own OS or even leave the JVM sandbox."
Then you're talking about the handset, not the OS.
I have Android running on alternative (open) hardware and can do what the hell I like with it. There is no comparison here. Android is FOSS. The G1 may not be open hardware, but that's like saying linux isn't FOSS because your router manufacturer doesn't provide an easy way to flash a new image you've made...
No, it would make the hardware non-free.
GNU is not the only FOSS definition and Android is all under the APL2, not GPL.
You can download the full source, redistribute it, port it to other systems etc etc (and people have done so). The locked use of it on the G1 does not make the OS any less open, just the handset closed.
"Just as open in the end."
What total bullsh*t.
Android is open from the kernel upwards, you can develop what you like for it without needing a developer account or a jailbreak. This is massively different from the iPhone, on which you can only make software if you have an account and the stack itself is totally closed.
This is why android can now be run on multiple devices, some ported by the community.
Sorry, but there are different qualifications needed for two different jobs.
Just because I can write C doesn't mean I'm the world's best GUI designer. Just because someone speaks legalese doesn't mean they are going to make great laws.
They may make well-written laws, but that doesn't make them good.
I've been using N at home for a couple of years now.
Mostly because B was just always dreadfully slow (nothing like a 10Mbit wired connection), and my G routers got fried when the washing machine decided to die and take as much other equipment as it could with it*. Works very nicely, range is pretty good.
UWB is an interesting tech, I for one welcome the idea of less wires everywhere.
*Yes, I now have surge protectors and a small UPS
"If you mean as an actual product someone would intentionally seek out then Intel sells 0 GPUs."
False.
They have very good support for linux, to the extent that unless dual-boot and 3d games are your thing, they are pretty much the best option. Until AMD/ATI start making progress that is.
Also for business use they are cheap, reliable and a lot less power-hungry than the other two big players. For business desktop/workstation they make a lot of sense.
Yeah, but who doesn't get an email address from their ISP or some other service?
I know, HTML is hard* and facebook is easy, I guess I just don't get the whole thing. But then I never got why people used to forward dumb chain emails either. Thankfully it seems that the facebooks of the world have taken that sort of thing away from email.
*for certain values of hard
And I warned 'em I did, warned 'em that this sort of thing would happen.
Which is why I run an email server myself and host my own website. My data, my rules. People these days seem to be too keen to throw away absolutely any right or claim of ownership or privacy and give their data away to anyone that asks just because he has a nice web-front end and yet another way to spam their friends with pointless crap.
"We think this is the right way for Facebook to work, and it is consistent with how other services like email work. "
Which is exactly what I've been saying since this whole thing kicked off. What's the big fuss about? It's an old-style homepage and email through a different interface.
We were doing this in the early 90s.
Still seems a lot, but I guess you've got roaming charges built in to that.
I get 3GB of 3G data a month for £7
But then I don't use it abroad.
No, I think you're the one with the weird definition of control.
I can choose to do whatever the hell I like with a linux system. I have more trust in it because the code can be (and has been) seen by multiple people, I can inspect it and change it to do what I like.
If I were to hear about a linux component pulling this sort of crap (and I would) then I would be free to remove it, disable it, alter it, break it, whatever. And I wouldn't have to hack or reverse engineer anything, because I have absolute control.
I don't know what your definition is, but by the sounds of it nobody is ever in control of a car (unless they built the engine, starting by smelting the iron ore)
"As far as the corporate was concerned many businesses had contracts in place and had already payed for their Vista upgrade whether they liked it or not"
yes, they did. But then the IT guy re-imaged it to XP, in all likelihood. I work for a large corp and vista has a presence here only for testing. My dad is an exec at another and (despite not being technical) seems to have picked up a foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of vista, to the extent that he still uses his 5 year old pc in preference to a brand new laptop because it hasn't got "that vista crap" on it.
You and I both know that microsoft reports a lot of vista sales that didn't last a week. And for once I'm not even talking about linux...
That article is a multi-page annoyance, the grammar is bad and we already have flash-aware filesystems like jffs2.
This is true, however you can always use a network share,
Many years ago I had a sweet setup with a dual boot win2k/redhat machine. VMware made it possible to boot either inside the other. Samba provided the file access between the two.
Why would you care if Linux had NTFS support if you're running windows in a VM?
Not only that, but what happens when the hardware breaks?
Having an emulator, and the source for said emulator, is an important part of the archive.
Whilst that *is* evil in and of itself, it doesn't have much bearing on the original premise - that using DRM to prevent copying of media is futile because the decryption key is available.
Whether the same hardware will then play the copied media, which hasn't been signed with the private key, is another matter I guess.
"Similar to those "Where would you be right now if you had the choice" profiles on dating sites."
Is the next question "And why aren't you there? You only get one life you know".
People self limit in these things in such a weird way.
Not many people have the luxury of going to a decent cinema, though the Brixton Ritzy is a nice old place and close to where I live. Brighton is likely to be an exception, being a vibrant and young town.
The M25 belt *is* exceptionally crappy though.
Last few times I've been to a cinema (other than the Ritzy) it's been almost empty, but then I don't watch blockbusters or chick-flicks, I watch the obscure sci-fi.
I know what Ad Hominem is, and the fact that I slung one in (as opinion) at the end in no way detracts from my argument.