"We don't give a fuck. One day soon we will take our ball and go home, god willing."
And on that day the world will rejoice.
Maybe a second thing actually - personal attacks do not an argument make. I'm not going to bother you with my software credentials, needless to say I am not a web designer, my page which you have found is a pile of crap and that is freely admitted. But I would wager a years earning (more money than you'll ever see by the sounds of the state of your education) that my software is in far wider use than anything you have ever acheived. Bye now.
I guess it was hoping too much that you would argue with proper reasons as to why I was wrong rather than just an ad hominem attack and some name calling
Yes, I'm a goth, so what? And I think I'm goth because I go to goth clubs and take past in the UK goth community, though I will admit that I have lapsed somewhat in the last year or so. I'm also a 25 year old software engineer, and I'm not on drugs.
Here's a few things though, fucktard:
When you grow up you will realize that real life doesn't fit your broken idealism
Indeed, my idealism does not fit the world. That's the point of idealism, to aspire to ideals that don't currently exist. Te world is full of arseholes who are too willing to treat other people badly for their own ends. A few more idealists would be a good thing, not a bad thing. It seems like realism is actually all too often an excuse for atrocity and abuse.
The block they were on was used for iraqis OR FOREIGN FIGHTERS who were capture plotting against, or who had taken action against the US.
and this was proved in a verifiable and just way exactly how?
POW's don't get trials
No, but they do get basic rights accorded to them by the geneva convention, which even the USA is a signatory to. And one of those is freedom from physical or psychological torture.
Tortured to death? Are you on fucking crack?
No, I've been reading the news reports, unlike you it would appear. Having dogs set on them and being tortured severely enough to cause death are things that have been reported. They just weren't in the photos.
The pain of having panties on their heads? Yeah that must have hurt just as much as Nick Berg getting his throat cut right?
1) by this point I was talking of a hypothetical situation in which an innocent man was under torture by mistaken identity or mistaken evidence.
2) There is significant material to suggest that the Nick Berg video has been tampered with, the sound effects are taken from stock and also that the body was dead before the beheading. Things like the lack of blood, the lack of movement from Mr Berg (even when the soundtrack is screams). Also, i don't get why (if the nick berg thing is the truth) the fact that some time later, after all the abuse takes place, the death of an american by extremists/nutballs suddenly excuses the american nation from systematic abuse charges? Yes, they did that. they are the bad guys, you are supposed to be beacons of shining light, goodness, democracy etc (by your own words). And you fail miserably.
In conclusion, I portend that it is you that is the fourteen year old in this discussion, or that you are just hoplessly naive and unquestioning of authority.
One more reason that the rest of the world has fallen out of love with the US of A.
Yes, their torture IS justified because the US was trying to get information out of them to save US lives.
And that's what makes the rest of the world see the US as a nation of arseholes.
Seriously, if you did that to your own citizens you would be up in arms about it. So why do it to anyone else?
And if you think that torture can ever be justified then you are already a barbarous idiot. You say that the people captured where terrorists. How do you know? Were they put on trial? Or is it just somehow obvious? what if an innocent man was in there and tortured to death, is that still OK? What if there's an innocent man in there that starts giving out false information just to make the pain stop? What of your precious intelligence then?
What is stopping them from getting a *real* passport with teh correct biometrics in a different name? have you ever tried getting an illegal passport of the regular kind? it's not easy!
You just have to find the hole in the system.
In the UK it has been demonstrated that this is easy, you simply go to the registrar of births and deaths, and within minutes you can have yourself a copy of a birth certificate for pretty much anyone. The documentary I saw managed to get themselves the birth certificate for Frederick Forsyth, the author, to make a point. They were then able to get a driving license. A real one. With his name and details and the presenter's photo. Nothing Fake about it. From there who knows where you could go?
So before you spout off about it being difficult, look into it. There are weakpoints in every system, and exploiting them allows you to get real documentation at relatively little expense or trouble.
My brand new Dell laptop running WinXP still suffers from them. Microsoft has not cured the BSOD.
Yes this site is full of MS hate. That's 'cos they have done a lot to make people dislike them. Whereas Linux is made by "some of our own" and seems to have no agenda, and is not just there to suck people's wallets.
Good troll though, I'll wait for the flamebait mods to flood in...
I have been following the project for four or five years now. Damn cool idea. IMHO
The argument he was putting forward above is that what gets in the way of replacing XP or the.Net platform is twofold:
1) Microsoft will probably, or even just possibly at some point come out and stomp mono (and any similar.Net replacements)into the ground. best not to aim for that really.
2) Microsoft has stopped support for NT, and will at some point stop it for 2k. People (or more likely, business) use NT and 2K. People have software that runs just fine on it, and are reluctant to move to things with whizzy new features and millions of potential incompatibilities and even security holes.
Loser pays is the only way to avoid what I call "threat sueing" that you guys in the US have.
Your basic problem with it seems to be the possible discrepancy in the amount spent. To solve this, look at the way the courts in other countries work. In Norway for example, there are spending rules and guidlines on what exactly the loser is liable to pay. If Microsoft want to spent 10million on lawyers, then they can, and if they win then maybe they'll be re-imbursed for reasonable costs of about 100 grand.
The UK does something similar I believe. The US system is a mad and dengerous way to carry things out, it took me a while to grasp that that even if someone is being sued fotr something patently (ha, no pun intended) ridiculous, then it can be cheaper just to write a cheque than it is to clear your name.
Basically with the US way, if you don't like what someone's doing, whatever the legal status, you can just sue them and make 'em stop, without ever takintg the case to court.
That's pretty fscked up right there dude.....
So there are a lot of WAP's open and unsecured. Big deal.
Mine at home is open, by choice.
I like the idea. If everyone had open WLAN's attached to ADSL/Similar, then I could go pretty much anywhere and access the net on my laptop. I would return the favour by paying fo a connection that other people could use in the same way. I like that world in my imagination where everyone allows access and so everyone has access. If it gets abused for spam I'll lock it down, yes I am a realist in a small way. Attack is not so much an isue as all the machines on th WLAN have firewall software.
Hmmmmm.
Linux distros are affiliated with Linux, they make no secret of it. They usually develop products and projects that contribute back to open source, and are generally ethical and a good thing.
These guys are using someone elses name and charging for their work.
What gave you the idea that it was going to fund free books or the original project gutenberg? This looks like an attempt to make money from someone else's work to me......
Still not conviced. The examples I've heard of before are:
1. movie studios giving loads of free merchandise to teenagers in exchange for being talked up in online forums that they frequent.
This one's fairly innocuous, but still a little dodgy. IMHO
2. Teams of people paid to go sit in starbucks, playing with gadgets, and giving people a toned down and non-obvious sales pitch when they approach and ask what they have there.
Now this is more damaging, especially when the reporter who wrote the article I was reading stood outside and asked people coming out if they knew they were talking to a paid advertiser. Most became very angry. Which I can empathise with.
This sort of thing will eventually destroy all trust between people. Advertisers should stick to billboards and tv. At least that way we know what's advertising and what's genuine review/advice, and we won't suspect $FRIEND of being a paid lackey when he tells us how much he likes his new nokia/toyota/Compaq.....
Are these "street teams" part of the new drive in advertising to advertise to people without them realising?
I find the whole concept of a company trying affect word of mouth advertising, and grass-roots style campaigns to be distatseful. MegaCorps are basically trying to cash in on human trust. If someone appears to be offering you advixce on a product, and appears to be doing so either conversationally, or just as a favour - Oh yuh, I have one o' them, pretty cool what they can do! It plays video and matures your cheese whilst you wait! etc etc, then it is disturbing to find out afterwards that they were paid.
Corporations using this method will only succeed in making society even more insular and untrusting of each other. This will undermine communtiesd and basic human communication. Well done to whoever came up with it. It's the ultimate way to exploit human trust and openness for profit.
The stored program concept was invented by the ENIAC team at Penn.
I hate to be pedantic, but I also hate when you americans claim to have invented everything...........
The first stored program computer was not your ENIAC. It was called Colossus, and was invented at Bletchley Park in the UK during second world war by a Mr Turing (you may have heard the name before!). It was used to help crack Enigma codes.
Now it is a common misconception that ENIAC was the first, this is because the British decided it was best to keep colossus a secret for about 50 years (a rather poor commercial decision it may be said, but we have this little thing called "the official secrets act"). Alan Turing however still went down in history for contributions to computer science.
Is this some weird american thing I'm missing out on?
Surely what you need to make a nice cup of Java is...........Coffee beans from frickin' Java!
You're making a nice cup of Sumatran coffee! Or Peruvian!
And don't even start me on American "Champagne"........
Grrrrr.
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And on that day the world will rejoice.
Maybe a second thing actually - personal attacks do not an argument make. I'm not going to bother you with my software credentials, needless to say I am not a web designer, my page which you have found is a pile of crap and that is freely admitted. But I would wager a years earning (more money than you'll ever see by the sounds of the state of your education) that my software is in far wider use than anything you have ever acheived. Bye now.
I guess it was hoping too much that you would argue with proper reasons as to why I was wrong rather than just an ad hominem attack and some name calling
Yes, I'm a goth, so what? And I think I'm goth because I go to goth clubs and take past in the UK goth community, though I will admit that I have lapsed somewhat in the last year or so. I'm also a 25 year old software engineer, and I'm not on drugs.
Here's a few things though, fucktard:
When you grow up you will realize that real life doesn't fit your broken idealism
Indeed, my idealism does not fit the world. That's the point of idealism, to aspire to ideals that don't currently exist. Te world is full of arseholes who are too willing to treat other people badly for their own ends. A few more idealists would be a good thing, not a bad thing. It seems like realism is actually all too often an excuse for atrocity and abuse.
The block they were on was used for iraqis OR FOREIGN FIGHTERS who were capture plotting against, or who had taken action against the US.
and this was proved in a verifiable and just way exactly how?
POW's don't get trials
No, but they do get basic rights accorded to them by the geneva convention, which even the USA is a signatory to. And one of those is freedom from physical or psychological torture.
Tortured to death? Are you on fucking crack?
No, I've been reading the news reports, unlike you it would appear. Having dogs set on them and being tortured severely enough to cause death are things that have been reported. They just weren't in the photos.
The pain of having panties on their heads? Yeah that must have hurt just as much as Nick Berg getting his throat cut right?
1) by this point I was talking of a hypothetical situation in which an innocent man was under torture by mistaken identity or mistaken evidence.
2) There is significant material to suggest that the Nick Berg video has been tampered with, the sound effects are taken from stock and also that the body was dead before the beheading. Things like the lack of blood, the lack of movement from Mr Berg (even when the soundtrack is screams).
Also, i don't get why (if the nick berg thing is the truth) the fact that some time later, after all the abuse takes place, the death of an american by extremists/nutballs suddenly excuses the american nation from systematic abuse charges? Yes, they did that. they are the bad guys, you are supposed to be beacons of shining light, goodness, democracy etc (by your own words). And you fail miserably.
In conclusion, I portend that it is you that is the fourteen year old in this discussion, or that you are just hoplessly naive and unquestioning of authority.
One more reason that the rest of the world has fallen out of love with the US of A.
Seriously, if you did that to your own citizens you would be up in arms about it. So why do it to anyone else?
And if you think that torture can ever be justified then you are already a barbarous idiot. You say that the people captured where terrorists. How do you know? Were they put on trial? Or is it just somehow obvious? what if an innocent man was in there and tortured to death, is that still OK? What if there's an innocent man in there that starts giving out false information just to make the pain stop? What of your precious intelligence then?
Fscking moral relativism. TORTURE IS BAD mmkay?
Is tetris for the original GB. Hours and hours and hours of addictive fun, and fairly discrete (as in seperate) button presses.
That would work
I'll give that a go, be kind, I only had three hours sleep the night before posting that!
The documentary I saw managed to get themselves the birth certificate for Frederick Forsyth, the author, to make a point. They were then able to get a driving license. A real one. With his name and details and the presenter's photo. Nothing Fake about it. From there who knows where you could go?
So before you spout off about it being difficult, look into it. There are weakpoints in every system, and exploiting them allows you to get real documentation at relatively little expense or trouble.
What if I delete the cookies from IE? then I can vote again perhaps. State of the art huh?
My former company bought a unixware license a few months ago.
Just one,
but I suppose it might be enough to keep Darl in 50cent packets of ramen noodles whilst the lawyers divide up their millions in fees.....
My brand new Dell laptop running WinXP still suffers from them. Microsoft has not cured the BSOD.
Yes this site is full of MS hate. That's 'cos they have done a lot to make people dislike them. Whereas Linux is made by "some of our own" and seems to have no agenda, and is not just there to suck people's wallets.
Good troll though, I'll wait for the flamebait mods to flood in...
That's no city I know, that's tiny. I mean, obviously it's big for something that could crash into the earth, but still
Also, why is Obi-wan kenobi's voice in my ear saying "That's no small city......."
I have been following the project for four or five years now.
.Net platform is twofold:
.Net replacements)into the ground. best not to aim for that really.
Damn cool idea. IMHO
The argument he was putting forward above is that what gets in the way of replacing XP or the
1) Microsoft will probably, or even just possibly at some point come out and stomp mono (and any similar
2) Microsoft has stopped support for NT, and will at some point stop it for 2k. People (or more likely, business) use NT and 2K. People have software that runs just fine on it, and are reluctant to move to things with whizzy new features and millions of potential incompatibilities and even security holes.
Loser pays is the only way to avoid what I call "threat sueing" that you guys in the US have.
Your basic problem with it seems to be the possible discrepancy in the amount spent. To solve this, look at the way the courts in other countries work. In Norway for example, there are spending rules and guidlines on what exactly the loser is liable to pay. If Microsoft want to spent 10million on lawyers, then they can, and if they win then maybe they'll be re-imbursed for reasonable costs of about 100 grand.
The UK does something similar I believe. The US system is a mad and dengerous way to carry things out, it took me a while to grasp that that even if someone is being sued fotr something patently (ha, no pun intended) ridiculous, then it can be cheaper just to write a cheque than it is to clear your name.
Basically with the US way, if you don't like what someone's doing, whatever the legal status, you can just sue them and make 'em stop, without ever takintg the case to court.
That's pretty fscked up right there dude.....
So there are a lot of WAP's open and unsecured. Big deal. Mine at home is open, by choice. I like the idea. If everyone had open WLAN's attached to ADSL/Similar, then I could go pretty much anywhere and access the net on my laptop. I would return the favour by paying fo a connection that other people could use in the same way. I like that world in my imagination where everyone allows access and so everyone has access. If it gets abused for spam I'll lock it down, yes I am a realist in a small way. Attack is not so much an isue as all the machines on th WLAN have firewall software.
Hmmmmm. Linux distros are affiliated with Linux, they make no secret of it. They usually develop products and projects that contribute back to open source, and are generally ethical and a good thing.
These guys are using someone elses name and charging for their work.
What gave you the idea that it was going to fund free books or the original project gutenberg? This looks like an attempt to make money from someone else's work to me......
Fair enough.
I guess the question becomes "Where is the line drawn?", but that's always the question.
Hmm.
Still not conviced. The examples I've heard of before are:
1. movie studios giving loads of free merchandise to teenagers in exchange for being talked up in online forums that they frequent.
This one's fairly innocuous, but still a little dodgy. IMHO
2. Teams of people paid to go sit in starbucks, playing with gadgets, and giving people a toned down and non-obvious sales pitch when they approach and ask what they have there.
Now this is more damaging, especially when the reporter who wrote the article I was reading stood outside and asked people coming out if they knew they were talking to a paid advertiser. Most became very angry. Which I can empathise with.
This sort of thing will eventually destroy all trust between people. Advertisers should stick to billboards and tv. At least that way we know what's advertising and what's genuine review/advice, and we won't suspect $FRIEND of being a paid lackey when he tells us how much he likes his new nokia/toyota/Compaq.....
Are these "street teams" part of the new drive in advertising to advertise to people without them realising?
I find the whole concept of a company trying affect word of mouth advertising, and grass-roots style campaigns to be distatseful. MegaCorps are basically trying to cash in on human trust. If someone appears to be offering you advixce on a product, and appears to be doing so either conversationally, or just as a favour - Oh yuh, I have one o' them, pretty cool what they can do! It plays video and matures your cheese whilst you wait! etc etc, then it is disturbing to find out afterwards that they were paid.
Corporations using this method will only succeed in making society even more insular and untrusting of each other. This will undermine communtiesd and basic human communication. Well done to whoever came up with it. It's the ultimate way to exploit human trust and openness for profit.
Advertising sucks M'kay?
"I did not dispute that realise is more common, but to claim that realize is unappropriate"
ROFL!!!
That really is golden, a made up word in a pedantic discussion on the merits of americanised spellings.
How very USian.
The stored program concept was invented by the ENIAC team at Penn.
I hate to be pedantic, but I also hate when you americans claim to have invented everything...........
The first stored program computer was not your ENIAC. It was called Colossus, and was invented at Bletchley Park in the UK during second world war by a Mr Turing (you may have heard the name before!). It was used to help crack Enigma codes.
Now it is a common misconception that ENIAC was the first, this is because the British decided it was best to keep colossus a secret for about 50 years (a rather poor commercial decision it may be said, but we have this little thing called "the official secrets act"). Alan Turing however still went down in history for contributions to computer science.
Is this some weird american thing I'm missing out on?
Surely what you need to make a nice cup of Java is...........Coffee beans from frickin' Java!
You're making a nice cup of Sumatran coffee! Or Peruvian!
And don't even start me on American "Champagne"........
Grrrrr.
So I'm not the only one that found huge amounts of Fast Epoxy really useful when shooting little cardboard tubes into the sky?
Doesn't this remind you a lot of the software out there ?
Reminds me of quite a few cars too...
Then I'm an ANSI poet!
;-)
Hey! it worked in that club last year
We're already supposed to have those!
But somehow a US patriot anti-missile missile still managed to shoot down a British Tornado
All these wonderful toys......someone still has to debug them!