Right, so blocking content from facebook.com (and fbcdn.com) except when you're on a facebook.com page, ought to work?
Adblock Pro gives me the ability to disallow content when it's "third party" and I already make use of this feature. If the page wasn't/.ed I'd give it a try...
SSL3/TLS will only protect against MITM attacks if BOTH the client AND the server mutually authenticate.
Nonsense.
You can't MITM an SSL connection in which a server has a trusted certificate and the client has a trusted authority key. The client most certainly doesn't need a certificate in order to be able to trust who it's talking to, and client trust is the issue at hand.
Where did you get the crazy idea a certificate was needed at both ends?
OMFG!!! People have preconceived notions about neo-nazis and aren't interested in what they have to say!
You're actually surprised?
Nazism, the ideology that lead to mass exterminations and millions of deaths in war, and you think that these groups shouldn't be watched any more than the average (non-violent, remember) animal rights or environmental group.
I think you're what people mean when they say it's possible to have a mind so open your brain falls out.
What a load of nonsense. There is such a things as bad, and nazism is pretty close to pure fucking evil. If the people espousing it don't think so then they are, I'm afraid, wrong.
Yes, I said it, WRONG. It does exist, that word. Everyone is not a special snowflake and equal in every way, every opinion is not equally valid. Advocacy of racism, violence and death *are* something that makes a group worth keeping a very close eye on. You absolutely *can* say that some ideologies are more likely to resort to violence than others.
"You have to look deeper than that, and see what they are actually doing and what they really believe in."
I don't disagree, and some animal rights groups have crossed that line multiple times.
However there was no hint of violence from the groups that were infiltrated in the UK, from the coverage I've seen, and the original poster was trying to make a partisan point about how the we should be equally upset that extreme groups like neo nazis also get infiltrated.
A non-violent animal rights or environmental protest group, which is what we're dealing with in TFA, is *very* different to a neo nazi group.
The petrol bomb situation is pretty cut and dried. The guy with the bomb had a petrol bomb, he doesn't get a free pass.
What about the situation where officer Bob manages to kick off a full-blown confrontation - ie. the police run in with shields and batons. Others react in what they perceive as self defence, protesters and officers alike are injured.
Who should face charges here?
Well, Bob, for a start. After that it becomes a lot less clear to me.
I'm sorry I don't follow you. If you're trying to turn this into some sort of partisan debate I suggest you go fuck yourself.
If the groups were violent, fine, but I see no record of that in the articles from the UK on this particular scandal.
And if you seriously don't see the difference between protest for animal rights or environmental issues and a group that stands explicitly for racism and death? Well, ok, fine. Whatever.
I think going to a rape by deception law like that would be a terrible idea and lead to all sorts of trivial and meritless cases clogging up the courts. For a start I'm sure there a lot of men who woke up with someone significantly less attractive than they thought they went to bed with...
On a less flippant note though, I fully support the right of the women involved here to be morally outraged, and for the police to be banned from this sort of behaviour in future.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, nor does it mean it should be ok for the police to behave like the worst sort of scoundrels so long as they stay within the letter of the law.
Do you not agree that the women involved are allowed to feel lied to and betrayed?
And these are not big, international, espionage type things, these are police infiltrating environmentalist and animal rights groups. Legitimate citizen groups, convening, meeting and (for the largest part) engaging on totally legal protest. That they have people coming in, lying about who they are and what they do and then sleeping with people specifically to rat them out...
I don't know about you but I find the idea of the police doing this to civillian groups in peacetime (hell, any time) morally repugnant.
Nobody told me that stuff, so I went for being the best I could think of, and when that didn't work out I went into computers. If somebody had mentioned the money involved (and the seemingly endless potential to divert more of it into your own pockets) you can bet your ass I would have gone for that instead.
Depends on how it's done. The CA certs that are used by the firmware are easy to view and change (with various hacks). On a per-game level maybe not so easy, but likely not impossible. Would take some binary-editing sk!llZ though
Oh I understand where you're coming from (99.9% may be a little high but OK), but what I mean is that in windows it's difficult or impossible to do some of the config from the command line.
For sysadmins, developers and enthusiasts, being able to script stuff is important and useful.
If there is a need for a GUI (and your comment shows there is) then that is all well and good and should indeed be attended to, but don't try to take away the CLI from the rest of us!!
I think if you're trying to work around the GIL that way then you would have been better off starting with C.
It can take a while to get where you're going, but when it's done well it's fast, and better at resource management than anything else, precisely because you have to think about it.
I like python, but finding out about the GIL explained a lot. Jython is a nice idea but is stuck at 2.5 level.
No idea, that's one of the reasons I switched back to FF chrome, it's either got a much more developed interface, or I didn't figure out how to do that stuff.
I haven't found ABP on chrome to be as good. I did switch to chrome for a while but have recently decided more privacy is good, so now I use FF with ABP, "Cookie Monster" and "Better Privacy"
It makes using the web a little more difficult at first (having to remember cookies when I actually want them) but after a few days of setup it's mostly the same, only without so many damned cookies. I also like to use ABP to block anything and everything from facebook.com and fbcdn unless I'm actually at facebook.com, so that they don't get to see absolutely everywhere I visit.
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It's Australia Day you insensitive clod!
So EPOCH day 15000 was marked with a trip to the beach, beer and a barbie.
Right, so blocking content from facebook.com (and fbcdn.com) except when you're on a facebook.com page, ought to work?
Adblock Pro gives me the ability to disallow content when it's "third party" and I already make use of this feature. If the page wasn't /.ed I'd give it a try...
SSL3/TLS will only protect against MITM attacks if BOTH the client AND the server mutually authenticate.
Nonsense.
You can't MITM an SSL connection in which a server has a trusted certificate and the client has a trusted authority key. The client most certainly doesn't need a certificate in order to be able to trust who it's talking to, and client trust is the issue at hand.
Where did you get the crazy idea a certificate was needed at both ends?
OMFG!!! People have preconceived notions about neo-nazis and aren't interested in what they have to say!
You're actually surprised?
Nazism, the ideology that lead to mass exterminations and millions of deaths in war, and you think that these groups shouldn't be watched any more than the average (non-violent, remember) animal rights or environmental group.
I think you're what people mean when they say it's possible to have a mind so open your brain falls out.
Ah, everything is relative eh?
What a load of nonsense. There is such a things as bad, and nazism is pretty close to pure fucking evil. If the people espousing it don't think so then they are, I'm afraid, wrong.
Yes, I said it, WRONG. It does exist, that word. Everyone is not a special snowflake and equal in every way, every opinion is not equally valid. Advocacy of racism, violence and death *are* something that makes a group worth keeping a very close eye on. You absolutely *can* say that some ideologies are more likely to resort to violence than others.
"You have to look deeper than that, and see what they are actually doing and what they really believe in."
I don't disagree, and some animal rights groups have crossed that line multiple times.
However there was no hint of violence from the groups that were infiltrated in the UK, from the coverage I've seen, and the original poster was trying to make a partisan point about how the we should be equally upset that extreme groups like neo nazis also get infiltrated.
A non-violent animal rights or environmental protest group, which is what we're dealing with in TFA, is *very* different to a neo nazi group.
Who are you opposed to?
Is it me?
I'm thoroughly confused by this conversation.
The petrol bomb situation is pretty cut and dried. The guy with the bomb had a petrol bomb, he doesn't get a free pass.
What about the situation where officer Bob manages to kick off a full-blown confrontation - ie. the police run in with shields and batons. Others react in what they perceive as self defence, protesters and officers alike are injured.
Who should face charges here?
Well, Bob, for a start. After that it becomes a lot less clear to me.
I'm sorry I don't follow you. If you're trying to turn this into some sort of partisan debate I suggest you go fuck yourself.
If the groups were violent, fine, but I see no record of that in the articles from the UK on this particular scandal.
And if you seriously don't see the difference between protest for animal rights or environmental issues and a group that stands explicitly for racism and death? Well, ok, fine. Whatever.
Who's talking about freedom of speech?
We're talking about secret infiltration by the police, not restriction of freedom of speech.
I didn't say it was a crime, i said it was morally repugnant and not an acceptable tactic for the police to use.
I think going to a rape by deception law like that would be a terrible idea and lead to all sorts of trivial and meritless cases clogging up the courts. For a start I'm sure there a lot of men who woke up with someone significantly less attractive than they thought they went to bed with...
On a less flippant note though, I fully support the right of the women involved here to be morally outraged, and for the police to be banned from this sort of behaviour in future.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, nor does it mean it should be ok for the police to behave like the worst sort of scoundrels so long as they stay within the letter of the law.
Tell me you can see a major difference between a german nazi-resurgence group and an animal rights or environmentalist group, please?
It comes down to sex by deception.
Do you not agree that the women involved are allowed to feel lied to and betrayed?
And these are not big, international, espionage type things, these are police infiltrating environmentalist and animal rights groups. Legitimate citizen groups, convening, meeting and (for the largest part) engaging on totally legal protest. That they have people coming in, lying about who they are and what they do and then sleeping with people specifically to rat them out...
I don't know about you but I find the idea of the police doing this to civillian groups in peacetime (hell, any time) morally repugnant.
I also would have liked to have known that.
Nobody told me that stuff, so I went for being the best I could think of, and when that didn't work out I went into computers. If somebody had mentioned the money involved (and the seemingly endless potential to divert more of it into your own pockets) you can bet your ass I would have gone for that instead.
Wall Street analyst?
Please, some of us have more moral fibre than that.
Depends on how it's done. The CA certs that are used by the firmware are easy to view and change (with various hacks). On a per-game level maybe not so easy, but likely not impossible. Would take some binary-editing sk!llZ though
Or as Terrance and Phillip would have it - Who farted?
Well yeah, me too. I mean, there's always hope, right?
And even if it's rubbish, there are going to be a few decent moments. maybe, hopefully, possibly?
Oh yes. The last series was pretty bad, then the two 'special' episodes were just dreadful.
Oh sure. And it'll be several more months before we see 'em here too!
Oh I understand where you're coming from (99.9% may be a little high but OK), but what I mean is that in windows it's difficult or impossible to do some of the config from the command line.
For sysadmins, developers and enthusiasts, being able to script stuff is important and useful.
CLI is easy, fast, precise and scriptable.
If there is a need for a GUI (and your comment shows there is) then that is all well and good and should indeed be attended to, but don't try to take away the CLI from the rest of us!!
I think if you're trying to work around the GIL that way then you would have been better off starting with C.
It can take a while to get where you're going, but when it's done well it's fast, and better at resource management than anything else, precisely because you have to think about it.
I like python, but finding out about the GIL explained a lot.
Jython is a nice idea but is stuck at 2.5 level.
No idea, that's one of the reasons I switched back to FF chrome, it's either got a much more developed interface, or I didn't figure out how to do that stuff.
I haven't found ABP on chrome to be as good. I did switch to chrome for a while but have recently decided more privacy is good, so now I use FF with ABP, "Cookie Monster" and "Better Privacy"
It makes using the web a little more difficult at first (having to remember cookies when I actually want them) but after a few days of setup it's mostly the same, only without so many damned cookies. I also like to use ABP to block anything and everything from facebook.com and fbcdn unless I'm actually at facebook.com, so that they don't get to see absolutely everywhere I visit.