Just turn off unnecessary ports and those that are opened by software you need, but don't want to expose to the world, use ipchains (2.2.x) or iptables (2.3.x/2.4.x) to lock down. You can do some pretty great stuff like let only certain hosts see certain ports or hide 'em all.
To watch net traffic, the Ethernet interface must be put into 'promiscuous' mode (accepts all packets, even if not addressed to your particular machine).
true
Some network administrators are sensitive to this sort of thing, since it can be used to compromise security.
According to the sniffit FAQ detecting 'promiscuous' mode is only possible if the os is broken or not configured properly. It is my understanding that linux or even win32 in this mode would be very hard to detect.
Perhaps you recall slashdot's article about packet sniffer-sniffers from Lopht. There is much skepticisim as to whether or not 'Antisniff' can really work as it seems to make alot of assumptions about the machines it scans. If memory serves, one of the tests is to send a message to the client machines and record the time it takes to respond. Then in the future if it respond significantly slower something may be up. Another is to try to overload machines by sending a large number of forged packets all good machines will ignore and the promisc machine will choke on.
With the current state of ethernet sniffing is basically risk free.
The only down side is that you need to be within the same subnet as the victim machine.
I disagree. I think space will be a great money maker purely for the advertising value, just imagine: The Pizza Hut Rocket has carried the first man to mars. The world watches breathlessly as the module lands down and the astronaut plants a "the Best Pizza's under 1 roof" flag on the dusty soil. Then a few shots of other astronauts eating pizza back on board should be enough to engrave whatever slogan they have into the minds of many whether they like it or not.
The slogans are endless: out of thid world, intergalactic, You don't have to travel to mars (shot of mars landing and pizza flag) to get a great pizza
This is why corporations are interested in the space program
Like what? Design new UI paradigm? Sorry, puny volonteer project is not where you expect it from. Neither KDE nor GNOME won't bring you truly innovative UI. There wasn't innovation in this field fordecades, and GNOME or KDE folks aren't the Batman either. They just build working thing, not save the world. Maybe Xerox PARC labs will do:)
From what I've heard gnome was funded quite heavily by RedHat, thus I assume they're not all volunteers. I expect creativity. There is so much cool technology out there, it seems a waste for such talented people to work on such a project.
Well, certainly they don't do it "to compete with kde's koffice"
I wouldn't be so sure. Gnome was started to compete with KDE because of he difficulties with the QPL.
That would be pretty silly thing to do.
No more silly then releasing software with a 1.0 version number that is not nealy stable to match KDE's version number. No more silly then upping parts of Gnome to version 2.0 to match the upcomming KDE 2.0
If they read each other's formats (and why won't they?) this is twice as good.
The fact that they have different formats is more proof of clashing bravado. They should and easily could share a format between them. I do not see this happening, but perhaps in a perfect world.
Well, I almost certainly don't like their "welcome windows user, you won't see the difference" UI attitude
Agreed. I don't use kde or gnome for that matter beyong the gimp, but KDE seems to be making waves and Gnome are the followers. The two projects, especially Helix, are just too similiar to really make a difference. I'd like to see Gnome (the project I have more hope for) truly innovate.
Does Gnome Office just sound like a collection of unrelated gtk/gnome software they're trying to group together to compete with kde's koffice?
It just seems to me that koffice is attempting to be a consistent group of interacting programs; Similiar look, feel, interaction, etc and the gnome people are playing the catch up game all over again. I just hope this isn't the 1.0 fiasco all over again.
As a software engineer I can say that a modern web browser is probably one of the most complex pieces of software. Period.
Yes, but it doesn't have to be! This is what I find so sad about the mozilla project. Even MS learned that components are better than the goliaths NS4.x and Mozilla are.
I will never use mozilla for anything more than a browser. The mailer, composer, etc are all second rate. I feel that if years ago they had released the browser with hooks/plugins for everything else the free software community would right now have created countless email clients, chat utilities, etc, etc to compliment it.
As it is many people seem disappointed with the progress of mozilla and the reason is simply that their plan is too broad and they did not take into account what users want/need, instead struggling to make a modernized version of NS4 which will be just as horrible to maintain.
I don't understand, Is the albulm Download this a joke?
The 'Napster Begone' track is so long and so horrible that no one in their right mind would take the time to download it. Our loyal fans will buy it though, because most have spent so much money on our merchandise that they can't afford a computer.
This has to be fake, right? If not ( or even if so ) Metallica really sucks.
With my limited experience with and knowledge of pike I really don't see that it offers anything different. People went to c, c++, java, perl, because they fill a gap or offer a more elegant way to do something. Learning a language is easy, but mastering it is hard... why bother if the language really isn't different enough or truly necessary? This is why I've always had reservations about roxen as well.
Its good to learn and create, but why make something for which there really isn't a need. Python and perl are fine, why use pike?
Perhaps there is some specialty for which pike excels? If this is the case please reply and I'll take another look at it.
It was my understanding that beta was visually superior, but had a few annoyances, such as a single movie requiring more than one tape and I thought the format was very proprietary and thus very costly.
Rambus certainly sounds bad and I trust tomshardware way more than Intel or Rambus.
Gnome is nice and everything, but does anyone else see an add for the best open source desktop: gnome 1.2 in the banner ad on top of this slashdot page? Seeing as how I've never before seen a KDE add ( and correct me if I'm wrong KDE is more popular), I can only assume that the little gnome( gnomes? ) who left the footprint must be performing some sort of sexual favors for the slashdot gang.
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Shame on you all....
Where can i get one of those naughty little bastards?
M16 is greatm but I'm having a few problems. Does the "find in this page" option work for anyone? For me, it just beeps even if what I'm searching for is on the page.
Also, backing up seems to jump back more than 1 page when viewing a page with frames.
The reason the poster called them a laughing stock is that... and correct me if I'm wrong... VA Linux's stock rose very high ($300+/share), then dropped very low (to about what it is now) all in one day. It was the highest rise and fall in one day.
$60/share is fine, but dropping from $300+ makes swallowing 60 (especially if you bought in around the high point) very painful.
XML Documents are quite large because all that extra relationship information is contained within the document as well. Because XML is just the content and not the layout you'll need that as well. XML is great because it is a really convenient format and with XSLT is easily trasferable into HTML, PDF, etc, but most people would rather have a nicely compressed binary rather than a text XML file and Stylesheet.
I think XML will be invaluable for webdesign, for most applications config files ( MS has already mentioned going this route and I've heard mention of it on the gtk/gnome mailing lists ), and a few other purposes, but I think the small size and ease of use of a binary format will always be desirable.
I may have been perusing someone's archive of software whose legality is in question and I may have noticed Diablo II, and this possibly real person may have told me that it is very easy to get your hands on this software.
What this person ( who may or may not have existed ) didn't tell me if a stolen/warez copy would work to play network games. I'd bet you need a key of some kind, but I'm sure they're out there too.
It's a little worse than that. They followed redhat's example and had the start-up scrpts (rc.local I think) rewrite the crappy motd, but your right... that is easily fixable.
...I can see it now... your sentence is GPF:')"Three words that spring to mind: "General Protection Fault."
Timothy, once I had great respect for you, but man... you think this is funny, but you just repeated the article poster. Has your time at the geek compound really warped you so. Have Hemos sweet kisses and commander taco's gordita warped you so?
In the future ( and I'm sad I have to tell you this), keep a tape recorder with you and record everything. Whenever you have a thought, play back the tape a little bit. If your thought is on that tape in some one else's voice... keep your fucking mouth shut.
What hype? I really don't expect 2.4 to be very different as Linus said it would not be ( One of his emails posted on Slashdot a while ago said they'd pack less into each kernel so it could be released more often )
Is there anything in 2.4 you are looking forward to? A device driver you lack support for?
Yes? Maybe you could contribute too and spped up the process.
No? Shuddup.
2.4 has some new stuff I'm looking forward to, mostly usb support and I really hoped reiserfs would be included, but heck kernel patches are fine
Oh, and btw - 2.1 went way into the hundreds of alpha/beta version before it was released, 2.4 is young compared to that. 2.2 was just released last year, settle down.
Mandrake is great, but one question is on everyone's mind... and it's been a while since I used mandrake so forgive me if this is common knowledge, but...
Does mandrake still have that ugly as sin ansi art in the issue file ( or maybe it was motd ).
Ok, so this question really sucks, but I'm still curious.
True, but you don'ty need the cdr. Most modern linux have an ftp and/or nfs install, thus your cost, assuming already have a net connection is $0. It is also probably a little better for your sanity if you have something faster than a modem, but whatever.
If you do buy your cd, might I suggest Debian, their cd's are reasonably priced ( no 80+ dollars for Redhat, please....) even if you don't buy from cheapbytes.
Thanks for the information, but its a little too late for my University. Corel 8 was removed from all 5,000 faculty/staff desktop machines and replaced with either Word 2k/97. the software people have made a deal to not sell WP for an extended period of time (3-4 years) on new machines as well.
When they had great problems with Corel, of course we did install all service packs and the MS library update. C'mon, that's just common sense.
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Just turn off unnecessary ports and those that are opened by software you need, but don't want to expose to the world, use ipchains (2.2.x) or iptables (2.3.x/2.4.x) to lock down. You can do some pretty great stuff like let only certain hosts see certain ports or hide 'em all.
I tried To view slashdot with netscape 0.95 and sadly it crashed netscape 4.74, how tragically typical.
To watch net traffic, the Ethernet interface must be put into 'promiscuous' mode (accepts all packets, even if not addressed to your particular machine).
true
Some network administrators are sensitive to this sort of thing, since it can be used to compromise security.
According to the sniffit FAQ detecting 'promiscuous' mode is only possible if the os is broken or not configured properly. It is my understanding that linux or even win32 in this mode would be very hard to detect.
Perhaps you recall slashdot's article about packet sniffer-sniffers from Lopht. There is much skepticisim as to whether or not 'Antisniff' can really work as it seems to make alot of assumptions about the machines it scans. If memory serves, one of the tests is to send a message to the client machines and record the time it takes to respond. Then in the future if it respond significantly slower something may be up. Another is to try to overload machines by sending a large number of forged packets all good machines will ignore and the promisc machine will choke on.
With the current state of ethernet sniffing is basically risk free.
The only down side is that you need to be within the same subnet as the victim machine.
I disagree. I think space will be a great money maker purely for the advertising value, just imagine: The Pizza Hut Rocket has carried the first man to mars. The world watches breathlessly as the module lands down and the astronaut plants a "the Best Pizza's under 1 roof" flag on the dusty soil. Then a few shots of other astronauts eating pizza back on board should be enough to engrave whatever slogan they have into the minds of many whether they like it or not.
The slogans are endless: out of thid world, intergalactic, You don't have to travel to mars (shot of mars landing and pizza flag) to get a great pizza
This is why corporations are interested in the space program
I see one here. Who's the second?
1. Gnome, 2. KDE, thus there are two..
Like what? Design new UI paradigm? Sorry, puny volonteer project is not where you expect it from. Neither KDE nor GNOME won't bring you truly innovative UI. There wasn't innovation in this field fordecades, and GNOME or KDE folks aren't the Batman either. They just build working thing, not save the world. Maybe Xerox PARC labs will do :)
From what I've heard gnome was funded quite heavily by RedHat, thus I assume they're not all volunteers. I expect creativity. There is so much cool technology out there, it seems a waste for such talented people to work on such a project.
Well, certainly they don't do it "to compete with kde's koffice"
I wouldn't be so sure. Gnome was started to compete with KDE because of he difficulties with the QPL.
That would be pretty silly thing to do.
No more silly then releasing software with a 1.0 version number that is not nealy stable to match KDE's version number. No more silly then upping parts of Gnome to version 2.0 to match the upcomming KDE 2.0
If they read each other's formats (and why won't they?) this is twice as good.
The fact that they have different formats is more proof of clashing bravado. They should and easily could share a format between them. I do not see this happening, but perhaps in a perfect world.
Well, I almost certainly don't like their "welcome windows user, you won't see the difference" UI attitude
Agreed. I don't use kde or gnome for that matter beyong the gimp, but KDE seems to be making waves and Gnome are the followers. The two projects, especially Helix, are just too similiar to really make a difference. I'd like to see Gnome (the project I have more hope for) truly innovate.
Does Gnome Office just sound like a collection of unrelated gtk/gnome software they're trying to group together to compete with kde's koffice?
It just seems to me that koffice is attempting to be a consistent group of interacting programs; Similiar look, feel, interaction, etc and the gnome people are playing the catch up game all over again. I just hope this isn't the 1.0 fiasco all over again.
As a software engineer I can say that a modern web browser is probably one of the most complex pieces of software. Period.
Yes, but it doesn't have to be! This is what I find so sad about the mozilla project. Even MS learned that components are better than the goliaths NS4.x and Mozilla are.
I will never use mozilla for anything more than a browser. The mailer, composer, etc are all second rate. I feel that if years ago they had released the browser with hooks/plugins for everything else the free software community would right now have created countless email clients, chat utilities, etc, etc to compliment it.
As it is many people seem disappointed with the progress of mozilla and the reason is simply that their plan is too broad and they did not take into account what users want/need, instead struggling to make a modernized version of NS4 which will be just as horrible to maintain.
I don't understand, Is the albulm Download this a joke?
The 'Napster Begone' track is so long and so horrible that no one in their right mind would take the time to download it. Our loyal fans will buy it though, because most have spent so much money on our merchandise that they can't afford a computer.
This has to be fake, right? If not ( or even if so ) Metallica really sucks.
How often should one reconsider ones opinions?
As often as possible. And you mispelled PERL :)
With my limited experience with and knowledge of pike I really don't see that it offers anything different. People went to c, c++, java, perl, because they fill a gap or offer a more elegant way to do something. Learning a language is easy, but mastering it is hard... why bother if the language really isn't different enough or truly necessary? This is why I've always had reservations about roxen as well.
Its good to learn and create, but why make something for which there really isn't a need. Python and perl are fine, why use pike?
Perhaps there is some specialty for which pike excels? If this is the case please reply and I'll take another look at it.
It was my understanding that beta was visually superior, but had a few annoyances, such as a single movie requiring more than one tape and I thought the format was very proprietary and thus very costly.
Rambus certainly sounds bad and I trust tomshardware way more than Intel or Rambus.
Nano bots would rock. I may never shower again.
Gnome is nice and everything, but does anyone else see an add for the best open source desktop: gnome 1.2 in the banner ad on top of this slashdot page? Seeing as how I've never before seen a KDE add ( and correct me if I'm wrong KDE is more popular), I can only assume that the little gnome( gnomes? ) who left the footprint must be performing some sort of sexual favors for the slashdot gang.
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The reason the poster called them a laughing stock is that ... and correct me if I'm wrong... VA Linux's stock rose very high ($300+/share), then dropped very low (to about what it is now) all in one day. It was the highest rise and fall in one day.
$60/share is fine, but dropping from $300+ makes swallowing 60 (especially if you bought in around the high point) very painful.
XML Documents are quite large because all that extra relationship information is contained within the document as well. Because XML is just the content and not the layout you'll need that as well. XML is great because it is a really convenient format and with XSLT is easily trasferable into HTML, PDF, etc, but most people would rather have a nicely compressed binary rather than a text XML file and Stylesheet.
I think XML will be invaluable for webdesign, for most applications config files ( MS has already mentioned going this route and I've heard mention of it on the gtk/gnome mailing lists ), and a few other purposes, but I think the small size and ease of use of a binary format will always be desirable.
I may have been perusing someone's archive of software whose legality is in question and I may have noticed Diablo II, and this possibly real person may have told me that it is very easy to get your hands on this software.
What this person ( who may or may not have existed ) didn't tell me if a stolen/warez copy would work to play network games. I'd bet you need a key of some kind, but I'm sure they're out there too.
Phew, I'm glad somone likes VB, I thought I'd never get laid again, this rash is killing me.
It's a little worse than that. They followed redhat's example and had the start-up scrpts (rc.local I think) rewrite the crappy motd, but your right... that is easily fixable.
Timothy, once I had great respect for you, but man... you think this is funny, but you just repeated the article poster. Has your time at the geek compound really warped you so. Have Hemos sweet kisses and commander taco's gordita warped you so?
In the future ( and I'm sad I have to tell you this), keep a tape recorder with you and record everything. Whenever you have a thought, play back the tape a little bit. If your thought is on that tape in some one else's voice... keep your fucking mouth shut.
Simple, isn't it?
What hype? I really don't expect 2.4 to be very different as Linus said it would not be ( One of his emails posted on Slashdot a while ago said they'd pack less into each kernel so it could be released more often )
Is there anything in 2.4 you are looking forward to? A device driver you lack support for?
2.4 has some new stuff I'm looking forward to, mostly usb support and I really hoped reiserfs would be included, but heck kernel patches are fine
Oh, and btw - 2.1 went way into the hundreds of alpha/beta version before it was released, 2.4 is young compared to that. 2.2 was just released last year, settle down.
Mandrake is great, but one question is on everyone's mind... and it's been a while since I used mandrake so forgive me if this is common knowledge, but ...
Does mandrake still have that ugly as sin ansi art in the issue file ( or maybe it was motd ).
Ok, so this question really sucks, but I'm still curious.
I sent NVidia an angry email yesterday night about just this subject. I must really have some clout over there. Hear me NVidia and tremble :)
I guess it could be a coincidence.
True, but you don'ty need the cdr. Most modern linux have an ftp and/or nfs install, thus your cost, assuming already have a net connection is $0. It is also probably a little better for your sanity if you have something faster than a modem, but whatever.
If you do buy your cd, might I suggest Debian, their cd's are reasonably priced ( no 80+ dollars for Redhat, please....) even if you don't buy from cheapbytes.
Thanks for the information, but its a little too late for my University. Corel 8 was removed from all 5,000 faculty/staff desktop machines and replaced with either Word 2k/97. the software people have made a deal to not sell WP for an extended period of time (3-4 years) on new machines as well.
When they had great problems with Corel, of course we did install all service packs and the MS library update. C'mon, that's just common sense.