So why is no one reporting on this? Why isn't cnet saying, "SCO doesn't have faith in it's own claims against Linux since they seem to being cashing now, not later" or why isn't the wall street journal reporting on this? FUDing Linux was a feeding frenzy, but we've seen almost complete silence on the stock dumping. The trial will end and a lot of people will have worthless stock and be wondering, "how did that happen?"
The FSF is not saying Apple is evil or that the APSL is bad. What they are saying is that they don't recomend that you put new programs that you write under the APSL. They are also warning you that anything you do under the APSL is owned by Apple. The also warn to to combine code from APSL and GPL as they are not compatible.
Small claims court is tricky. Them saying things in general such as "Linux users need to buy this" can prove hard to sue over. But once you talk with them and they say "You need to buy this" it becomes an entirely different can of worms. This is why I've tried to contact SCO. Currently they are ignoring me. I'll have to give them a call very soon.
Now what I'd like to see is Open Source Consultants filiing complaints that's SCO illegal actions are hurting their business.
what's even better is that they will not tell you what you are buying. And since they are not giving you a license for source but binaries, you have no clue if your Linux kernal includes infringing code since you they won't tell you if you've used their code.
Remember, not all the source code in the Linux Kernal gets compiled into every Binary Kernal.
Also remember that you'll probably have to call SCO and talk with sales before you can file. Into they have started doing business with you personally, you won't have any case.
All Linux users, including owners of TiVo need to report SCO to their Attorney General. Ask if demanding protection money is extortion. Tell the AG that SCO won't tell you what you are buying and you have no idea if you have compiled the alledged code into your binary kernal and thus don't know if you need a binary license. Tell the AG that SCO is giving your no warrenty that the license will work the way it claims. Tell them to act fast because SCO is considering doubling the cost of protection.
For the end user they are asking $199. I sent them an email asking for details on what I get for $199. If they don't tell me what I am buying through response or non response that will be reason enough to complain. How do I know that their code was not removed from the kernal before I compiled it? I think those business practices are even more legally troubling then buying windows software on my PC that I never used. At least then I had the CD with the software.
Since SCO is calling all Linux users pirates (a claim I take very seriously as I only use software I'm allowed to use) and is now demanding money from us to continue using Linux, I'm considering filing a complaint with my state attorney general and perhaps even a class action against SCO as they have harmed my Linux business, have commited Libel against me as a Linux user and perhaps tried to extort money from me. I've sent questions to SCO sales department asking for details about their Linux program. If they don't prove the need for their program to me or ignore the message, this will be grounds for a formal camplaint.
I hope every Linux user does the same. SCO has demanded to do business with every Linux user, and I say let them enter business relations with us. We can see how many states we can get to file cases against them and how many class action law suits we can file.
SCO, your new customers are very angry with you and are considering legal action. Don't blame us, we didn't want to do business with you.
The interesting thing is all you need to send is a reply with any message. So if you send it to another address the makes an automated reply, then the message would go through...
Currently I am using a copy of Linux that was not purchased from any company. If I buy a Linux license from your company, what protection do I get? Will this money plus interest be returned if it is found in court that you have no legal ownership over the Linux system? What happens if your actions invalidates the GPL terms and I am no longer able to use Linux? Will I get copies of replacement software instead?
Since I would be buying a license from you, I assume I will be getting technical support for my system and you are taking full liability for the Linux software that I may use. Is this correct? What upgrade schedule do you commit to offer me for my Linux system? I have several system issues that need immediate addressing.
I await for acceptable answers to these questions before I buy your product. Thank you and have a good day.
No, communism is the lack of any government where all the people are equal partners in all the business. When the government is the only distributor, then that is a socialism. What we have in america is much closer to a plutocracy.
Kudos to Redhat for doing what the FSF should have already done. Now's the time to give money to Redhat or you may end up giving money to SCO instead. After years of free Linux use, I'm inclined to donate for it's future.
I think KDE is great and would give it to most users getting into Linux or an account. But I hope that distro keep putting in the more nerd orientated interfaces. While everyone is seeking the golden apple of general user acceptence, Linux's bread and better are the geeks who use and develope it. I think Linux would be diminished if it gets to the point where you have to jump through hoops to use anything but KDE.
How long ago did IBM put JFS and RCU into Linux? Caldera/SCO should have known since IBM made a fair amount of noise about it and Caldera/SCO was a Linux seller. Since they were also a Unix owner they should have known what the contracts were and knew that some of AIX was going to Linux. So how long does Caldera/SCO have to file a complaint over breaking a contract?
How could it even be said they they released this code unkowingly? They had to know that JFS, RCU and NUMA was in it. Sounds intentional to me.
But how will americans get all that high quality record industry music? Gone will be the almost naked teenage pop stars, gone will be the songs about raping and murdering your mother. We will be left with folk tunes about promoting the common good. Is that the kind of america you want to live in?
The RIAA has a failing business model. The RIAA business is selling digitized on plastic disks. This is a bad business to be in as the buggy business when cars came around or lamp oil when lightbulbs came around. People are willing to buy stuff from music they like, T-Shirts, books, stickers even CD, for a reasonable price. But to think that it's smart business to sell them for 18 bucks! To protect this business model they have to move mountains. What about the sneakernet? Who will potral that?
Thanks for passing around the link. We also need people to publish pages promoting non-RIAA music. A lot of good music is out there that isn't in the RIAA clutches yet. That is the only music that I currently buy.
Remember though, you are not allowed to ask question about opinion of the law. You are only allowed to ask questions regarding the facts of whether or not you pirated music and perhaps how much damages you caused, although that has been pretty much set by congress already.
Much better defenses are available.
If we exploit this loophole it will only be closed up in court or by the RIAA buying a new law in congress. The real legal solution is to take back our government.
For now, what we need to is to set up a legal coop site as a clearinghouse of info on what you can do if you are served papers by the RIAA. Since these will be civil cases, people won't get free lawyers, and many of them won't be able to afford them. A page of useful info may allow people to defend themselves and at least to know what not to say when talking to an RIAA lawyer in order not to further incriminate themselves.
How liable are you if someone else uses your computer or your network to pirate music. Many cable modems have wireless lans attached to them, how can anyone prove that it wasn't someone else using them? It's also easy to hijack your roommates IP address, how much care does he have to put in so that you don't. Do you have to constantly sit in your room and make sure your roommates doesn't plug his computer into your plug?
It's sad that the most important question facing computer users today were left unasked. What are the legal liabilities of having a computer or a network in terms of music piracy. If someone using my IP address to distribute music, when am I legally liable and what safe guards do I have to take to secure my network and computer from being used to distribute music.
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So why is no one reporting on this? Why isn't cnet saying, "SCO doesn't have faith in it's own claims against Linux since they seem to being cashing now, not later" or why isn't the wall street journal reporting on this? FUDing Linux was a feeding frenzy, but we've seen almost complete silence on the stock dumping. The trial will end and a lot of people will have worthless stock and be wondering, "how did that happen?"
Ferris Beuller vs. Godzilla was the Sony Godzilla movie.
Toho Co's Godzilla 2000 did not include Ferris Beuller.
The FSF is not saying Apple is evil or that the APSL is bad. What they are saying is that they don't recomend that you put new programs that you write under the APSL. They are also warning you that anything you do under the APSL is owned by Apple. The also warn to to combine code from APSL and GPL as they are not compatible.
Now what I'd like to see is Open Source Consultants filiing complaints that's SCO illegal actions are hurting their business.
Remember, not all the source code in the Linux Kernal gets compiled into every Binary Kernal.
Also remember that you'll probably have to call SCO and talk with sales before you can file. Into they have started doing business with you personally, you won't have any case.
All Linux users, including owners of TiVo need to report SCO to their Attorney General. Ask if demanding protection money is extortion. Tell the AG that SCO won't tell you what you are buying and you have no idea if you have compiled the alledged code into your binary kernal and thus don't know if you need a binary license. Tell the AG that SCO is giving your no warrenty that the license will work the way it claims. Tell them to act fast because SCO is considering doubling the cost of protection.
For the end user they are asking $199. I sent them an email asking for details on what I get for $199. If they don't tell me what I am buying through response or non response that will be reason enough to complain. How do I know that their code was not removed from the kernal before I compiled it? I think those business practices are even more legally troubling then buying windows software on my PC that I never used. At least then I had the CD with the software.
I hope every Linux user does the same. SCO has demanded to do business with every Linux user, and I say let them enter business relations with us. We can see how many states we can get to file cases against them and how many class action law suits we can file.
SCO, your new customers are very angry with you and are considering legal action. Don't blame us, we didn't want to do business with you.
The interesting thing is all you need to send is a reply with any message. So if you send it to another address the makes an automated reply, then the message would go through...
Currently I am using a copy of Linux that was not purchased from any company. If I buy a Linux license from your company, what protection do I get? Will this money plus interest be returned if it is found in court that you have no legal ownership over the Linux system? What happens if your actions invalidates the GPL terms and I am no longer able to use Linux? Will I get copies of replacement software instead? Since I would be buying a license from you, I assume I will be getting technical support for my system and you are taking full liability for the Linux software that I may use. Is this correct? What upgrade schedule do you commit to offer me for my Linux system? I have several system issues that need immediate addressing. I await for acceptable answers to these questions before I buy your product. Thank you and have a good day.
And interestingly enough SUN also released Linux under the GPL...
No, communism is the lack of any government where all the people are equal partners in all the business. When the government is the only distributor, then that is a socialism. What we have in america is much closer to a plutocracy.
Kudos to Redhat for doing what the FSF should have already done. Now's the time to give money to Redhat or you may end up giving money to SCO instead. After years of free Linux use, I'm inclined to donate for it's future.
I think KDE is great and would give it to most users getting into Linux or an account. But I hope that distro keep putting in the more nerd orientated interfaces. While everyone is seeking the golden apple of general user acceptence, Linux's bread and better are the geeks who use and develope it. I think Linux would be diminished if it gets to the point where you have to jump through hoops to use anything but KDE.
Seeing as the Pentium II is my high end machine currently, it's looking pretty good!
As long as they have their MS tax on computers and government contracts, they have no worries.
How could it even be said they they released this code unkowingly? They had to know that JFS, RCU and NUMA was in it. Sounds intentional to me.
But how will americans get all that high quality record industry music? Gone will be the almost naked teenage pop stars, gone will be the songs about raping and murdering your mother. We will be left with folk tunes about promoting the common good. Is that the kind of america you want to live in?
The RIAA has a failing business model. The RIAA business is selling digitized on plastic disks. This is a bad business to be in as the buggy business when cars came around or lamp oil when lightbulbs came around. People are willing to buy stuff from music they like, T-Shirts, books, stickers even CD, for a reasonable price. But to think that it's smart business to sell them for 18 bucks! To protect this business model they have to move mountains. What about the sneakernet? Who will potral that?
Thanks for passing around the link. We also need people to publish pages promoting non-RIAA music. A lot of good music is out there that isn't in the RIAA clutches yet. That is the only music that I currently buy.
Remember though, you are not allowed to ask question about opinion of the law. You are only allowed to ask questions regarding the facts of whether or not you pirated music and perhaps how much damages you caused, although that has been pretty much set by congress already. Much better defenses are available.
Remember, only microsoft is rich enough to buy all the laws it needs.
For now, what we need to is to set up a legal coop site as a clearinghouse of info on what you can do if you are served papers by the RIAA. Since these will be civil cases, people won't get free lawyers, and many of them won't be able to afford them. A page of useful info may allow people to defend themselves and at least to know what not to say when talking to an RIAA lawyer in order not to further incriminate themselves.
How liable are you if someone else uses your computer or your network to pirate music. Many cable modems have wireless lans attached to them, how can anyone prove that it wasn't someone else using them? It's also easy to hijack your roommates IP address, how much care does he have to put in so that you don't. Do you have to constantly sit in your room and make sure your roommates doesn't plug his computer into your plug?
It's sad that the most important question facing computer users today were left unasked. What are the legal liabilities of having a computer or a network in terms of music piracy. If someone using my IP address to distribute music, when am I legally liable and what safe guards do I have to take to secure my network and computer from being used to distribute music.