I don't think that would work. Some laws only affect a few poeple, or people don't see/understand the effects so they don't care.
But if a law like that was passed, how many people would that effect? piss off? its in the millions. And not just techy people. anyone and their grandmother can use P2P!
Doing that would be like shooting theirselves in the foot i think. You'd have "no one buy CDs anymore" type things happening. I'm pretty sure people would protest, and still download.
Whats going to happen if everyone was arrested for tradeing files? aresting 1, 2, 1000 isn't going to instill much fear, most of the downloaders are teens!!
If its ok if you own the orig CD, how to even prove it!?,they get after me i "lent" my cd collection to a friend. Or i had once "owned" said CDs and they got stolen/lost ect.
P2P is the death of the music industry current biz model. it cannot be stopped. Period. They should just wake up and smell the coffe. They would make MORE money if they dropped copy protection and stopped careing about P2P. Just like all software companies would to if they stopped useing copy protection. (money spent on 3rd party copy protection > money from more people buying software)
I'm glad my bank's website(and online banking) works with mozilla. its not "supported" but it works just fine. I haven't use IE in about 2 months now!! Happy days!
I say complain to them, if you don't complain they won't fix it, and if the web master is to supid to make the site compatible with all browsers hes probley not going to check or review broswer type logs(belives IE is the one and olny browser)
Red Hat and Oracle plan to announce on Thursday that the companies have teamed to get Linux evaluated under the Common Criteria, a certification that could open doors for the broader use of open-source software by government agencies.
The effort is expected to take nine to 10 months and cost up to $1 million. But if successful, it could pay off handsomely for Red Hat and Oracle, as well as for Linux.
"The government has been deploying Linux in smaller settings quite broadly, but it's still done by exception, by and large," said Mark De Visser, vice president of marketing for Red Hat. "What happens with these certifications is that they will push Linux into the mainstream."
The United States government is among 14 nations that recognize the Common Criteria evaluation. A certification from one country is recognized in the others. With countries from Germany to Peru considering using open-source software, having a certified version of Linux will help break down barriers.
The companies plan to first push Red Hat Linux Advanced Server for a modest level of certification: Evaluation Assurance Level (EAL) 2. In total, there are seven levels of certification attesting to varying grades of security, reliability and developmental process control. The highest level that a commercial software laboratory can certify is EAL 4, which Microsoft received for Windows 2000 last fall.
The EAL level needed by a government customer depends largely on the agency and the application in which the software will be used. On Tuesday, the Department of Defense (DOD) gave Red Hat a Common Operating Environment certification, which attests to a certain level of interoperability with other operating systems.
Oracle 9i has already been certified at EAL 4 on both Windows NT and Solaris, but has to be recertified for each operating system on which it runs. And Oracle thinks that there is a large market among government customers for the company's database running on Linux. In fact, some government clients have been clamoring for Linux, said Mary-Ann Davidson, chief security officer for Oracle.
"One of our large DOD customers asked us if we could foster a Linux evaluation," she said. "The customers truly care about getting Linux evaluated and want Oracle running on it."
There hasn't been much interest in running Oracle on Microsoft's Windows platform because of past security problems with Microsoft products, despite the company's major security push, Davidson said.
"We are going to use Unix and Linux as the evaluation platforms for our products in the future, and not Windows, because the customer demand for Windows is not there," she said. "Frankly, there is a fair amount of disenchantment with Microsoft products because of security problems."
After Red Hat earns the EAL 2 certification, Oracle plans to work toward getting its Oracle 9i Release 2 database running on the evaluated Red Hat Linux Advanced Server certified at the highest commercial rating, EAL 4. Oracle currently ships Oracle 9i Release 2 on Red Hat Linux Advanced Server as part of its Unbreakable campaign.
The final goal for both companies is to have both Red Hat's software and Oracle's software certified under the Common Criteria at EAL 4.
Oracle has tackled the process 15 times on a variety of operating systems.
The Common Criteria, an international standard administered by the National Institute of Standards and Technology in the United States, grades products based not only on their security and reliability, but also on the development and support processes that ensure quick responses to problems.
Other nations that have signed the Arrangement on the Mutual Recognition of Common Criteria Certificates in the Field of IT Security are Canada, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Greece and Israel.
The benefits of Common Criteria certification for Red Hat's Linux products should trickled down to the rest of the Linux community as well, said Dave Dargo, vice president of Oracle's Linux program office.
"The benefits of this evaluation extend beyond Red Hat in the long term," Dargo said, adding that the enterprise-level changes Red Hat and Oracle have made to the Linux kernel have made their way into Linux 2.5, the newest version of the kernel under development.
Moreover, the evaluation process, while expensive, should result in a more secure version of Linux being generally available, added Davidson.
"Fixing a major security hole costs a lot," she said. "And while certification won't prevent those holes, it helps to have a stricter development process. Finding one security hole that you otherwise would have missed, easily pays for evaluation."
yea but any yahoo can open the box, install the software, and could not even be 18, in witch case any contract is invalid. Sure you could say they are legaly binding (as silly a thing that is) but the thing is anyone can click yes, open the box and theres now ay to tell WHO it was.
signed contracts have physical evidence. What evidence is there i clicked yes when installing windows 2k? none at all.
Solution to all your EULA woes--> you didn't agree to it because you didn't click it (or take the laptop out of the box, or buy it, or think about buying it, or look at it funny while thinking evil thaughts)
You paid someone (under 18) to buy, install, and click yes, at minimum wage. (you can even just *gasp* lie! would be hard to prove you did click "yes, you can have my soul")
What are they going to do now? make it so you have to be 18 to buy ANY software?!?!
If you don't have to sign it then you didn't agree to it in any way or form.
I didn't click any EULA, i had my 14 year old brother do them all for me.
What rights do i now have if MS wipes my system and i lose important data worth money?
Or even better what if i'm useing someone elses computer and i lose my valuable data due to MS, or are there "only 1 person shall use this computer" clauses now?
Only 1 person can click a EUAL, any number of people can use the computer in question.
Makeing divx look nice, like really nice, requires tweaking and some skill. Also useing OGG for sound would give even more benifits over WMA. personally i don't ever use WM because i find the quality totaly lacking from well done divx encodes. IIRC look up SBC divx for the good methold.
From what i've experianced the best codecs are first used by movie rippers because they can force people to install new codecs. And i've never seen a ripped movie done with WM, thou maybe thats becauses the rippers hate MS...
3+ months ago a friend was watching bird of prey eps in a OGG container with X-Vid encodeing, 45 min, great qual, so great i was just stunned at the quality. and at a pretty large rez to. Size wasn't all that small, about 400 megs, but hey, it looked damn good and harddrives are getting cheaper=)
Hmm, now i see why my teacher is all for it, it does make it much harder to make a mistake. Also easier to learn.
i almost never make a mistake with the format string, and the few times i have it was damn easy to find, when your expected output string is 1/2 done and your program crashes you know what did it:) Also if your useing GCC it'll catch that kind of error....
cout does have its place, but for simple formatted output like above printf is cleaner and easier to read because if only its less to read.
thou for my school we have to use MSVC and putting everything one 1 line like that doesn't work. Coplie errors
She did have the receipt/proof of purchase, and they STILL didn't pay for it.
Also read the post i was replying to and maybe you'll see why the fuck i'm taking about insurance, maybe your should read the parent of a post before you reply to a post.
code can be to simple, so simple it isn't Elegant anymore
I'm in university takeing a advanced C++ course (well i don't call it advanced at all cuz its really just teaching C++ to java coders and i sleep thru it) and i know C, and a fair but of C++ already.
in the assingment i can do this: printf("%9d%23s%6.2f", int, str, float); to get my formattaed line, witch i read fine, and maybe its just me but gets what that line is going to look like to a reader preatty fast.
But i have to use cout and it ends up being 9 lines of couts and it takes alot more thinking and looking at it to figure out what its going to look like on the screen.
The prof says only cout, no printf allowed, at all. its the 'new' way to do things and its better then the 'old' way says he.
but i find the printf much more elegant, thou yet not as simple as cout.
id like for someone to tell me what is just so great about cout (and its similar classes)
Where i live (BC, canada), ICBC (the ONLY car insurance company here) will not refund you for CDs stolen out of your car, a friend lost a ton of CDs and ICBC said that unless you can prove they were stolen (hard) your outta luck.
Hell they didn't even pay for the nice car radio that was taken to.
Don't buy any infrogames product, they ALL seem to have this moronic copy protection (that was broken as expected)
I'm not going to buy MOO3 because its published by infrogames, i KNOW its a horible company (their packageing is cheap to, paper slips not real cases)
> So don't tell the kids that the war of 1812 was about invading Canada and that the US lost, oh no it was about Britain impressing alleged US citizens and ended in a draw.
Hehe i remember reading about that in school. I live in canada so they actauly called it a war that the US started to invade canada and lost:)
I'm not surprised that in the US kids arn't told about it. Textbooks in highschool are a joke(at least in canada)
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"Oh -- and in the course last summer -- those same three people installed AIM, and were using they joys of networking to cheat on tests... one more strike against technology in the classroom"
You had tests where computers where used/laptops allowed??
At the university i attend all the tests are written exams, on paper and sometimes no calculators are even allowed. even for computer courses. (i hate writing code by hand myself)I don't know where you went but here if you are caught doing that you'd be expelled, and they catch much better cheaters (they post them in the newsletter ever so often)
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I went to highschool in a brand new school, and this would explain alot. I was always falling alseep in class and there was nothing i could do about it.. Thou i still managed to get good enough grades and bearly get into university.
I wonder if the school or carpet companies could be held responsible for this..
I also live in a pretty new house with alot of carpet.... maybe this is why i'm always tired? shh well more reasons to get fresh air.
And at my university most of the lecture halls are decades old and no carpet:) Just have to stay out of the new building.
"Windows is not a generic term now. If someone says Linux, you know what they are talking about (the specific OS). By the same terms, if someone says that a program they wrote "runs on Windows" you know, with 100% certainty, that they are referring to the specificMS OS called Windows."
Not Really, When someone says i'm useing "windows" i have to go what version? Windows now applies to many diffrent OSs each with its own software. And yes some software will run on all of them not all software will.
Windows is just to gerneric. MS windows, or windows 2K mean something to me, just saying windows means little. And seince i'm pretty good with computers, whats it going to be like for someone whos not?? My aunt just says her computer uses "Microsoft" or "that windows thingy".
Windows should not be a trademark. Plain and simple.
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But isn't that true with most companies, many are made, some fail, some make profit, and some get huge??
maybe thats why many programs are installed under a /program files/mozilla project/firebird type scheam under windows?
Won't stop people from retypeing it if they so wanted, or takeing a digital photo and useing OCR on another "insecure" computer.
I don't think that would work. Some laws only affect a few poeple, or people don't see/understand the effects so they don't care.
,they get after me i "lent" my cd collection to a friend. Or i had once "owned" said CDs and they got stolen/lost ect.
But if a law like that was passed, how many people would that effect? piss off? its in the millions. And not just techy people. anyone and their grandmother can use P2P!
Doing that would be like shooting theirselves in the foot i think. You'd have "no one buy CDs anymore" type things happening. I'm pretty sure people would protest, and still download.
Whats going to happen if everyone was arrested for tradeing files? aresting 1, 2, 1000 isn't going to instill much fear, most of the downloaders are teens!!
If its ok if you own the orig CD, how to even prove it!?
P2P is the death of the music industry current biz model. it cannot be stopped. Period. They should just wake up and smell the coffe. They would make MORE money if they dropped copy protection and stopped careing about P2P. Just like all software companies would to if they stopped useing copy protection. (money spent on 3rd party copy protection > money from more people buying software)
I'm glad my bank's website(and online banking) works with mozilla. its not "supported" but it works just fine. I haven't use IE in about 2 months now!! Happy days!
I say complain to them, if you don't complain they won't fix it, and if the web master is to supid to make the site compatible with all browsers hes probley not going to check or review broswer type logs(belives IE is the one and olny browser)
here ya go:
Red Hat and Oracle plan to announce on Thursday that the companies have teamed to get Linux evaluated under the Common Criteria, a certification that could open doors for the broader use of open-source software by government agencies.
The effort is expected to take nine to 10 months and cost up to $1 million. But if successful, it could pay off handsomely for Red Hat and Oracle, as well as for Linux.
"The government has been deploying Linux in smaller settings quite broadly, but it's still done by exception, by and large," said Mark De Visser, vice president of marketing for Red Hat. "What happens with these certifications is that they will push Linux into the mainstream."
The United States government is among 14 nations that recognize the Common Criteria evaluation. A certification from one country is recognized in the others. With countries from Germany to Peru considering using open-source software, having a certified version of Linux will help break down barriers.
The companies plan to first push Red Hat Linux Advanced Server for a modest level of certification: Evaluation Assurance Level (EAL) 2. In total, there are seven levels of certification attesting to varying grades of security, reliability and developmental process control. The highest level that a commercial software laboratory can certify is EAL 4, which Microsoft received for Windows 2000 last fall.
The EAL level needed by a government customer depends largely on the agency and the application in which the software will be used. On Tuesday, the Department of Defense (DOD) gave Red Hat a Common Operating Environment certification, which attests to a certain level of interoperability with other operating systems.
Oracle 9i has already been certified at EAL 4 on both Windows NT and Solaris, but has to be recertified for each operating system on which it runs. And Oracle thinks that there is a large market among government customers for the company's database running on Linux. In fact, some government clients have been clamoring for Linux, said Mary-Ann Davidson, chief security officer for Oracle.
"One of our large DOD customers asked us if we could foster a Linux evaluation," she said. "The customers truly care about getting Linux evaluated and want Oracle running on it."
There hasn't been much interest in running Oracle on Microsoft's Windows platform because of past security problems with Microsoft products, despite the company's major security push, Davidson said.
"We are going to use Unix and Linux as the evaluation platforms for our products in the future, and not Windows, because the customer demand for Windows is not there," she said. "Frankly, there is a fair amount of disenchantment with Microsoft products because of security problems."
After Red Hat earns the EAL 2 certification, Oracle plans to work toward getting its Oracle 9i Release 2 database running on the evaluated Red Hat Linux Advanced Server certified at the highest commercial rating, EAL 4. Oracle currently ships Oracle 9i Release 2 on Red Hat Linux Advanced Server as part of its Unbreakable campaign.
The final goal for both companies is to have both Red Hat's software and Oracle's software certified under the Common Criteria at EAL 4.
Oracle has tackled the process 15 times on a variety of operating systems.
The Common Criteria, an international standard administered by the National Institute of Standards and Technology in the United States, grades products based not only on their security and reliability, but also on the development and support processes that ensure quick responses to problems.
Other nations that have signed the Arrangement on the Mutual Recognition of Common Criteria Certificates in the Field of IT Security are Canada, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Norway, Finland, Greece and Israel.
The benefits of Common Criteria certification for Red Hat's Linux products should trickled down to the rest of the Linux community as well, said Dave Dargo, vice president of Oracle's Linux program office.
"The benefits of this evaluation extend beyond Red Hat in the long term," Dargo said, adding that the enterprise-level changes Red Hat and Oracle have made to the Linux kernel have made their way into Linux 2.5, the newest version of the kernel under development.
Moreover, the evaluation process, while expensive, should result in a more secure version of Linux being generally available, added Davidson.
"Fixing a major security hole costs a lot," she said. "And while certification won't prevent those holes, it helps to have a stricter development process. Finding one security hole that you otherwise would have missed, easily pays for evaluation."
yea but any yahoo can open the box, install the software, and could not even be 18, in witch case any contract is invalid. Sure you could say they are legaly binding (as silly a thing that is) but the thing is anyone can click yes, open the box and theres now ay to tell WHO it was.
signed contracts have physical evidence. What evidence is there i clicked yes when installing windows 2k? none at all.
Solution to all your EULA woes--> you didn't agree to it because you didn't click it (or take the laptop out of the box, or buy it, or think about buying it, or look at it funny while thinking evil thaughts)
You paid someone (under 18) to buy, install, and click yes, at minimum wage. (you can even just *gasp* lie! would be hard to prove you did click "yes, you can have my soul")
What are they going to do now? make it so you have to be 18 to buy ANY software?!?!
If you don't have to sign it then you didn't agree to it in any way or form.
I didn't click any EULA, i had my 14 year old brother do them all for me.
What rights do i now have if MS wipes my system and i lose important data worth money?
Or even better what if i'm useing someone elses computer and i lose my valuable data due to MS, or are there "only 1 person shall use this computer" clauses now?
Only 1 person can click a EUAL, any number of people can use the computer in question.
Makeing divx look nice, like really nice, requires tweaking and some skill. Also useing OGG for sound would give even more benifits over WMA. personally i don't ever use WM because i find the quality totaly lacking from well done divx encodes. IIRC look up SBC divx for the good methold.
From what i've experianced the best codecs are first used by movie rippers because they can force people to install new codecs. And i've never seen a ripped movie done with WM, thou maybe thats becauses the rippers hate MS...
3+ months ago a friend was watching bird of prey eps in a OGG container with X-Vid encodeing, 45 min, great qual, so great i was just stunned at the quality. and at a pretty large rez to. Size wasn't all that small, about 400 megs, but hey, it looked damn good and harddrives are getting cheaper=)
Hmm, now i see why my teacher is all for it, it does make it much harder to make a mistake. Also easier to learn.
i almost never make a mistake with the format string, and the few times i have it was damn easy to find, when your expected output string is 1/2 done and your program crashes you know what did it:) Also if your useing GCC it'll catch that kind of error....
cout does have its place, but for simple formatted output like above printf is cleaner and easier to read because if only its less to read.
thou for my school we have to use MSVC and putting everything one 1 line like that doesn't work. Coplie errors
She did have the receipt/proof of purchase, and they STILL didn't pay for it.
Also read the post i was replying to and maybe you'll see why the fuck i'm taking about insurance, maybe your should read the parent of a post before you reply to a post.
code can be to simple, so simple it isn't Elegant anymore
I'm in university takeing a advanced C++ course (well i don't call it advanced at all cuz its really just teaching C++ to java coders and i sleep thru it) and i know C, and a fair but of C++ already.
in the assingment i can do this:
printf("%9d%23s%6.2f", int, str, float);
to get my formattaed line, witch i read fine, and maybe its just me but gets what that line is going to look like to a reader preatty fast.
But i have to use cout and it ends up being 9 lines of couts and it takes alot more thinking and looking at it to figure out what its going to look like on the screen.
The prof says only cout, no printf allowed, at all. its the 'new' way to do things and its better then the 'old' way says he.
but i find the printf much more elegant, thou yet not as simple as cout.
id like for someone to tell me what is just so great about cout (and its similar classes)
Where i live (BC, canada), ICBC (the ONLY car insurance company here) will not refund you for CDs stolen out of your car, a friend lost a ton of CDs and ICBC said that unless you can prove they were stolen (hard) your outta luck.
Hell they didn't even pay for the nice car radio that was taken to.
Insurance my ass.
Don't buy any infrogames product, they ALL seem to have this moronic copy protection (that was broken as expected) I'm not going to buy MOO3 because its published by infrogames, i KNOW its a horible company (their packageing is cheap to, paper slips not real cases)
> So don't tell the kids that the war of 1812 was about invading Canada and that the US lost, oh no it was about Britain impressing alleged US citizens and ended in a draw.
Hehe i remember reading about that in school. I live in canada so they actauly called it a war that the US started to invade canada and lost:)
I'm not surprised that in the US kids arn't told about it. Textbooks in highschool are a joke(at least in canada)
"Oh -- and in the course last summer -- those same three people installed AIM, and were using they joys of networking to cheat on tests... one more strike against technology in the classroom"
You had tests where computers where used/laptops allowed??
At the university i attend all the tests are written exams, on paper and sometimes no calculators are even allowed. even for computer courses. (i hate writing code by hand myself)I don't know where you went but here if you are caught doing that you'd be expelled, and they catch much better cheaters (they post them in the newsletter ever so often)
I went to highschool in a brand new school, and this would explain alot. I was always falling alseep in class and there was nothing i could do about it.. Thou i still managed to get good enough grades and bearly get into university. I wonder if the school or carpet companies could be held responsible for this.. I also live in a pretty new house with alot of carpet.... maybe this is why i'm always tired? shh well more reasons to get fresh air. And at my university most of the lecture halls are decades old and no carpet:) Just have to stay out of the new building.
"Windows is not a generic term now. If someone says Linux, you know what they are talking about (the specific OS). By the same terms, if someone says that a program they wrote "runs on Windows" you know, with 100% certainty, that they are referring to the specificMS OS called Windows."
Not Really, When someone says i'm useing "windows" i have to go what version? Windows now applies to many diffrent OSs each with its own software. And yes some software will run on all of them not all software will.
Windows is just to gerneric. MS windows, or windows 2K mean something to me, just saying windows means little. And seince i'm pretty good with computers, whats it going to be like for someone whos not?? My aunt just says her computer uses "Microsoft" or "that windows thingy".
Windows should not be a trademark. Plain and simple.
Isn't that 2 words?