Also, as much as it pains me to say this. Linux isn't free anymore.
Sure you can download free versons, but those come with no support, no updates of any kind, at it will be atleast a year behind the computer times.
I use Ubuntu Linux everyday. You probably have heard about it, its on/.s front page a lot. Its free, comes with the latest software and gets updates for 18 months after each release. It has many programs that are beyond Windows with free support through its forums, and pay support availible if I want it for a much better price than XP.
*sits down and waits for the -1 troll mod*
Its because you deserve it. Don't criticise something you obviously only know a little about....
And besides, once you've written that adaptation, doesn't the GPL declare that -that- adaptation becomes open source too?
No. There is non OSS software than runs on top of OSS software all the time. My Nvidia drivers in Linux aren't OSS, but they work well. So does Nero Linux and Acroread. Now if you do more than just build on top of an OSS environment (you take the code from a OSS project and you build on it) than you have to give back unless you make a deal with the original copyholder (QT, KDE's big library has a pay for version that doesn't not require things using its code to contribute back.)
OSS's biggest problems are based in misunderstandings.
You are giving it all away while the executives are raking it in and the corporations are coming to expect software to be "free".
Thats exactly what you want. You get them to use free software, get them to expect a minimal cost of free. But then when something with the free software doesn't adapt to the situation well, you (the developer) comes around and says "Oh, so you need it to do THAT. I can adapt it to do that, but it will cost you..." If you helped make the OSS program in the first place, that means business for you. For talented developers, this is a far better lot it life (suckering managers in order to get them by their balls with the word "free") than competing for a job to make proprietary software with a guy in India that makes less in a year then you want to make in a month!
Authors, architects don't give away their IP for free, neither should you.
These groups also don't have to deal with major outsourcing (yet). Maybe if they do, they will use the old bait and switch as well- such as OSS software!
I live in Texas and I'm not to afraid. Why? Because in order to abuse these tags, it will cost money. Money to build speed traps, or money to equip cop cars. Since the taxes are lower in Texas, most deparments don't have enough money for staff, let alone new devices (I can't tell you how many times I driven through a small town in Texas lately where an empty cop car is parked at the nearest intersection because they can't pay to man it...). Only a in a few areas (suburbs, retirement places such as Williamson County) where the local rich blue hairs throw tons of money away to get yonger people like myself off the streets will these new things be abused. And in those places it doesn't matter anyway because the ultraconservative elected judges let the cops do whatever they want anyway- a little RFID is nothing compared to those heat guns some Texas cops still use (despite a supreme court order saying no). With those cops, you are either favored (rich, white, "good ole boy") or your screwed, the laws that are in place to unforce this are mostly irrelevent. The rest of the state will get techonology to use RFID twenty years from now when every state does it. It took till the 80's for school segrigation to end in some parts of Texas for crying out loud!
What happens when the next release of Ubuntu is out and Debian still hasn't released? That a very real problem.
Nope. Its not a problem. Ubuntu relies on Sid, not Sarge so if Sarge never comes than Ubuntu will be fine. If Sid won't drive, the project has the cash to drive itself.
We can't afford (more realistically: YOU can't afford) to buy the bandwidth necessary to satisfy all of the academic and entertainment needs of all of the residents.
Nopw, but I can buy me a cable modem and its service just for me to use. If only many Universities didn't ban such action in their polices...
I don't disagree with your job or how you handle it. I knew when I was going to live in a dorm I was going to be your bitch. One thing bugs me though. This:
If it were *that* important, they should be paying for their kid to live off-campus where they can have their own cable connection.
Problem is many college kids can't because schools overpaid for the housing someday in the past, and many force their students to live on campus at least the first year. Your response might be "cry my a f-cking river" and thats fine, but please don't pretend that Universites give a damn about something even close to a free market. When I was in the dorm, I begged the IT staff to let me have a cable modem to download what I want and get off their bandwidth. They told me no- as if it was the worst idea ever....
Personally I think if Canonical had sponsored Debian Sarge's release, rather than put effort into building their own repositories etc, Sarge would already be out. Don't get me wrong many of their efforts feedback to Debian's benefit.
Yeah,but instead Ubuntu has almost had two releases and have fixed big future problems for Debina (Xorg for one). I'd rather have two Ubuntus than one Sarge.
Well, it doesn't sound very likely. Bruce loves Debian, and Mark has invited him on before. He said no, and that was that. Doesn't matter-Ubuntu is Debian's new (and very needed) steam- Bruce is going to have to follow Ubuntu one way or the other.
UserLinux would do well to jump on Ubuntu's popularity though, before Debian officially becomes "the distro you build others on."
Voila', first class KDE on Ubuntu. It works like a charm, switched it to default yesterday - mostly because it's faster than Gnome and konqueror rocks.
I second that. I use Kubuntu on my laptop (400mhz, 128mb RAM) and it almost feels as fast as my girlfriend's laptop (1.7ghz 256mb RAM) running the plain Gnome Ubuntu. I like Gnome more, but Kubuntu is the fastest Linux I have tried!
does this make me "center", as opposed to left or right wing?? Intresting...
The word you are looking for is moderate. I'm proud to be one. It doesn't come with all the sigmas and connotations the liberal and conservative labels do....
I am SOOOO happy about Kubuntu. Why? Because finally things I plug in (pen drives, CDs) pop up on the desktop like in Gnome. Project Utopia kicks ass, and I like the fact that the new KDE takes advantage of it!
But what's the big deal with Kubuntu anyways. I really don't get it!! all you need to do is 'apt-get install kde-base kdm' on ubuntu.
Its more than just KDE. Its a set of metapackages that installs at one time every program a KDE distro is expected to have. Its a way to use the Ubuntu base without installing Gnome. Its a kickass way to fly!
Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to bash Ubuntu Linux (I'm sure it's a fine distribution), but don't others find the whole "Ubuntu Linux brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world" seem kinda hokey. I mean, I'm all for a user-accessible Linux accessible distribution but the whole idea of "Peace, Love, and Linux" just reeks of marketing gone wrong.
It doesn't reek of marketing gone wrong. Its just reeks of good marketing. That is such a rare thing is the OSS world, you probably didn't recogonize it.
It the distro didn't kick ass, then the it would be pointless anyway...
On your first point:
Well, the problem is that a claim like "user-oriented" is not a concrete term that can be defined in a dictionary.
The difference is in the definition. To me "user centric" means that the project or institution wishes to target its efforts at the most common demographic of users. I personally think Gnome is honest when it says it is user centric- I use Gnome everyday because (don't laugh at me) I like how the options menu and feature list don't runnith over with tons of things most computer users don't use. To me, the opposite of a user centric project would be "minority centric" and would have more options and features only users at the far ends of the bell curse ever touch at the expense of most of the users.
Gnome's best features are features that aren't "officially" part of Gnome but every Gnome distro includes. The ability to be extended easily (by users) is what allows Gnome's strategy- targeting only the largest demographic of computer users- to work and succeed. They would only be liars to me if they began to complicate their desktop and add in tons of features just because a few loud users want it.
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I get turned off by the alpha male attitudes. Even on places like/., there's this low level one-upsmanship going on that really gets to me. I prefer to work in a collaborative environment, and viewing the world as a zero-sum game just turns me off. I happen to be much more stubborn than the average woman, and so I stay in IT, but I see this whole attitude turn lots of talented women away.
Ok. I can't do it, but here is the truth that I was trying to politely say: If you want a field where collaboration is valued over competitiveness, then go into some field where men (and women who want to be men) are non existent. It seems to be part of maleness to be competitive (not just geeks) and you probably just have to face it more in a field where the males are higher saturated.
The only plan I've ever heard of to overcome this problem comes from the newer wave of feminists that believe that they can socialise young men to not be competitive when they are young. In my opinion (as a male that has been alive and grown up since this idea appeared) women who pursue this unfortunately and unwittingly do exactly what they are trying to avoid- compete with men. Its like you can't separate that from our nature. The backlash to this forced socialisation (I believe) has made feminism extremely unpopular- thanks to this men have been able to paint feminists as man hated dikes- and has made sexism popular in ways it hasn't been in a while (listen to the lyrics of mainstream rap one day. Its all about beating women back into their place with sexual and physical dominance). One can never avoid the game of "one-upsmanship" in men, you can only manipulate it for good things-"Oh yeah, well I bet Joe down the street can donate more money than you to tsunami relief. He's more of a man than you...etc..."
OK, I never bark about this stuff, but what editorialist doesn't know enough grammar to spell "you're?"
Just so you know, there is a big difference between the quaility of work I put on/. (what I call "typing out my ass") and what I publish. I make lots of mistakes without proofreading things (I never do for/.).
Yes. I work as an editorialist, and at my job the motto is that "your a journalist first, and an editorialist second."
Often for my columns I do more research than regular journalists do. The only difference between me and writers on other pages is that they must not blatently express their opinions so that sources don't want to give them future info (for example, I bet Ann Coulter won't talk to a NYTimes writer of any flavor- not that I'd want to talk to that superbitch or nothing).
Nope. Linux is only a free way to run Firefox, Gaim, and OpenOffice.org (and other OSS software) to most people. OSS apps would probably still be going strong if Linux didn't exist (BSD, Windows and what not). But Linux would probably barely exist if it wasn't for OSS apps.
People don't only not care about operating systems, they mostly don't know what they are!
If you bought an ipod, then you end up using itunes.
NOOOOOOOOO. I hate iTunes! I think it is as ugly as sin!
I use Gtkpd. It looks a lot better, automatically handles the mounting of my iPod, and my favorite distro has a package for the newest version in the developtment branch (Ubuntu). I will never use such an ugly program like iTunes to connect to such a pretty device (plus my friends that use it say that it wipes off any new music that they added elsewhere when they use iTunes!)
Interesting statement.. why does your father prefer this? is it a simple cost issue (lower price), better customer support, higher bandwidth, lower contention ratio, even local network services... ? Not trolling, but I'm at university studying network access and interested in what 'value judgements' people place on their service. cheers.
No...the reason is because...well...he knows the local cable guy and he is a dick, so my father doesn't want to give him money. He is happy enough with the speed, and service to keep it that way. Sorry for not having a better answer.
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Sure you can download free versons, but those come with no support, no updates of any kind, at it will be atleast a year behind the computer times.
I use Ubuntu Linux everyday. You probably have heard about it, its on /.s front page a lot. Its free, comes with the latest software and gets updates for 18 months after each release. It has many programs that are beyond Windows with free support through its forums, and pay support availible if I want it for a much better price than XP.
*sits down and waits for the -1 troll mod*
Its because you deserve it. Don't criticise something you obviously only know a little about....
No. There is non OSS software than runs on top of OSS software all the time. My Nvidia drivers in Linux aren't OSS, but they work well. So does Nero Linux and Acroread. Now if you do more than just build on top of an OSS environment (you take the code from a OSS project and you build on it) than you have to give back unless you make a deal with the original copyholder (QT, KDE's big library has a pay for version that doesn't not require things using its code to contribute back.)
OSS's biggest problems are based in misunderstandings.
Thats exactly what you want. You get them to use free software, get them to expect a minimal cost of free. But then when something with the free software doesn't adapt to the situation well, you (the developer) comes around and says "Oh, so you need it to do THAT. I can adapt it to do that, but it will cost you..." If you helped make the OSS program in the first place, that means business for you. For talented developers, this is a far better lot it life (suckering managers in order to get them by their balls with the word "free") than competing for a job to make proprietary software with a guy in India that makes less in a year then you want to make in a month!
Authors, architects don't give away their IP for free, neither should you.
These groups also don't have to deal with major outsourcing (yet). Maybe if they do, they will use the old bait and switch as well- such as OSS software!
I live in Texas and I'm not to afraid. Why? Because in order to abuse these tags, it will cost money. Money to build speed traps, or money to equip cop cars. Since the taxes are lower in Texas, most deparments don't have enough money for staff, let alone new devices (I can't tell you how many times I driven through a small town in Texas lately where an empty cop car is parked at the nearest intersection because they can't pay to man it...). Only a in a few areas (suburbs, retirement places such as Williamson County) where the local rich blue hairs throw tons of money away to get yonger people like myself off the streets will these new things be abused. And in those places it doesn't matter anyway because the ultraconservative elected judges let the cops do whatever they want anyway- a little RFID is nothing compared to those heat guns some Texas cops still use (despite a supreme court order saying no). With those cops, you are either favored (rich, white, "good ole boy") or your screwed, the laws that are in place to unforce this are mostly irrelevent. The rest of the state will get techonology to use RFID twenty years from now when every state does it. It took till the 80's for school segrigation to end in some parts of Texas for crying out loud!
You have any sort of proof for that? Or is it one of those things where it is an idea the "the enemy" likes, so you can't like it?
Nope. Its not a problem. Ubuntu relies on Sid, not Sarge so if Sarge never comes than Ubuntu will be fine. If Sid won't drive, the project has the cash to drive itself.
Nopw, but I can buy me a cable modem and its service just for me to use. If only many Universities didn't ban such action in their polices...
If it were *that* important, they should be paying for their kid to live off-campus where they can have their own cable connection.
Problem is many college kids can't because schools overpaid for the housing someday in the past, and many force their students to live on campus at least the first year. Your response might be "cry my a f-cking river" and thats fine, but please don't pretend that Universites give a damn about something even close to a free market. When I was in the dorm, I begged the IT staff to let me have a cable modem to download what I want and get off their bandwidth. They told me no- as if it was the worst idea ever....
Yeah,but instead Ubuntu has almost had two releases and have fixed big future problems for Debina (Xorg for one). I'd rather have two Ubuntus than one Sarge.
UserLinux would do well to jump on Ubuntu's popularity though, before Debian officially becomes "the distro you build others on."
I second that. I use Kubuntu on my laptop (400mhz, 128mb RAM) and it almost feels as fast as my girlfriend's laptop (1.7ghz 256mb RAM) running the plain Gnome Ubuntu. I like Gnome more, but Kubuntu is the fastest Linux I have tried!
The word you are looking for is moderate. I'm proud to be one. It doesn't come with all the sigmas and connotations the liberal and conservative labels do....
I am SOOOO happy about Kubuntu. Why? Because finally things I plug in (pen drives, CDs) pop up on the desktop like in Gnome. Project Utopia kicks ass, and I like the fact that the new KDE takes advantage of it!
Its more than just KDE. Its a set of metapackages that installs at one time every program a KDE distro is expected to have. Its a way to use the Ubuntu base without installing Gnome. Its a kickass way to fly!
It doesn't reek of marketing gone wrong. Its just reeks of good marketing. That is such a rare thing is the OSS world, you probably didn't recogonize it.
It the distro didn't kick ass, then the it would be pointless anyway...
You want Ubuntu.
The difference is in the definition. To me "user centric" means that the project or institution wishes to target its efforts at the most common demographic of users. I personally think Gnome is honest when it says it is user centric- I use Gnome everyday because (don't laugh at me) I like how the options menu and feature list don't runnith over with tons of things most computer users don't use. To me, the opposite of a user centric project would be "minority centric" and would have more options and features only users at the far ends of the bell curse ever touch at the expense of most of the users. Gnome's best features are features that aren't "officially" part of Gnome but every Gnome distro includes. The ability to be extended easily (by users) is what allows Gnome's strategy- targeting only the largest demographic of computer users- to work and succeed. They would only be liars to me if they began to complicate their desktop and add in tons of features just because a few loud users want it.
Ok. I can't do it, but here is the truth that I was trying to politely say: If you want a field where collaboration is valued over competitiveness, then go into some field where men (and women who want to be men) are non existent. It seems to be part of maleness to be competitive (not just geeks) and you probably just have to face it more in a field where the males are higher saturated.
The only plan I've ever heard of to overcome this problem comes from the newer wave of feminists that believe that they can socialise young men to not be competitive when they are young. In my opinion (as a male that has been alive and grown up since this idea appeared) women who pursue this unfortunately and unwittingly do exactly what they are trying to avoid- compete with men. Its like you can't separate that from our nature. The backlash to this forced socialisation (I believe) has made feminism extremely unpopular- thanks to this men have been able to paint feminists as man hated dikes- and has made sexism popular in ways it hasn't been in a while (listen to the lyrics of mainstream rap one day. Its all about beating women back into their place with sexual and physical dominance). One can never avoid the game of "one-upsmanship" in men, you can only manipulate it for good things-"Oh yeah, well I bet Joe down the street can donate more money than you to tsunami relief. He's more of a man than you...etc..."
Sorry, but thats the breaks....
Just so you know, there is a big difference between the quaility of work I put on /. (what I call "typing out my ass") and what I publish. I make lots of mistakes without proofreading things (I never do for/.).
Yes. I work as an editorialist, and at my job the motto is that "your a journalist first, and an editorialist second."
Often for my columns I do more research than regular journalists do. The only difference between me and writers on other pages is that they must not blatently express their opinions so that sources don't want to give them future info (for example, I bet Ann Coulter won't talk to a NYTimes writer of any flavor- not that I'd want to talk to that superbitch or nothing).
More like:
iPod sales have gotten so large that without iTunes the record industry would constantly point at Apple and say "bloody pirate helpers!"
iTunes legitimize the iPod the same way Linux ISOs legitimize P2P when people give me shit about it.
Thats the point of the new release soon. It sucks WAY less. I've tried it, and its a big improvement over older versions.
Nope. Linux is only a free way to run Firefox, Gaim, and OpenOffice.org (and other OSS software) to most people. OSS apps would probably still be going strong if Linux didn't exist (BSD, Windows and what not). But Linux would probably barely exist if it wasn't for OSS apps.
People don't only not care about operating systems, they mostly don't know what they are!
NOOOOOOOOO. I hate iTunes! I think it is as ugly as sin!
I use Gtkpd. It looks a lot better, automatically handles the mounting of my iPod, and my favorite distro has a package for the newest version in the developtment branch (Ubuntu). I will never use such an ugly program like iTunes to connect to such a pretty device (plus my friends that use it say that it wipes off any new music that they added elsewhere when they use iTunes!)
No...the reason is because...well...he knows the local cable guy and he is a dick, so my father doesn't want to give him money. He is happy enough with the speed, and service to keep it that way. Sorry for not having a better answer.