As long as it does not lock up your computer, you have hope. As I said, the Totem-xine in Breezy works better with xcompmgr on than any media player I have messed with (I personally dislike mplayer so I don't know about that), and overall Breezy works much better with it. I only get "paint updates" when it first turns on in Breezy then no more. So now that you know what command to use, when Breezy comes give it a new shot. As you can tell I really like xcompmgr, but I wouldn't leave it on all the time before Breezy. Thats how much improved. I had some of the same problems in Hoary. Good luck, and I hope I helped you a little bit.
I've always found that to be interesting, because I'm either stupid, they're cheating, or getting useable fonts in X is just too fucking hard. Much more than it needs to be.
You will like the new Gnome then. I'm using it in Ubuntu now, and the biggest advantage over the old version (I think) is better fonts because of Cairo.
Also, glxgears crashed/restarted X with "xcompmgr -n".
Yeah, 3D stuff doesn't work with xcompmgr on. Its good to turn of OpenGL screensavers to avoid problems. If you like to run games or 3D stuff, the on/off script I gave is very helpful. I'm not much of a gamer so it does not bug me!
It doesn't seem to work well for me. I wish it did, because I'd love to get more power out of the nVidia chip, rather than just my old P3/1GHz.
Well, that is a set back but its not the final story. One more try for Hoary (there are two commands that are very similar):
xcompmgr -a
As far as I can understand, its the same as -n without transparancy support...and you don't use that. I thought the difference was too slight to matter, but please try this and report back the results. If it doesn't work don't give up all hope...as I said Breezy is better. Thanks for the feedback.
That's all great. But those directions you list all apply only to Breezy, the current unstable, right? First GNOMEv2.12 will be in Breezy in about a month. Isn't Breezy scheduled for release at that time (2005-04-08 + 6mo = 2005-10-08; today is 2005-09-08)?
In short, which version of xcompmgr will work the way your directions prescribe (xcompmgr -n), and when will that version be released as part of a stable Ubuntu (theoretically, in one month)?
I do all this with the xcompmgr installed through Synaptic in Breezy. If I was you I would try that command in the Hoary terminal to see if the actual effect is good for you. If so, then wait for Breezy (I predict mid October) and go through the steps. Then finally- at the end of 2005- you will have a more modern desktop!
If the GUI could match the sheer attractivness of Tiger or Vista, there would be many more converts.
Tiger is more like a Xbox game than Linux or Windows as far as development goes (way smaller control group), and Vista doesn't come for a while. My Gnome desktop looks awesome today. GNU is doing the best it can with the resources it has.
The modularization of X.Org hurt worse than anything. For awhile it seemed like they were breaking X every other day. I tracked Debian's unstable for years and rarely got burned. Once Debian completes their x.org packages and finished their GCC transitions, I'm seriously considering changing my apt sources back.
Just so you know...I'm using Breezy right now with Gnome 2.12 and its very stable. The hardest part is over! Sorry you rode then and not now!
What do you think will be the status of xcompmgr by the time GNOMEv2.12 is released into Ubuntu Stable? Will I really be able to have the GeForce2Go execute all my rendering (not the CPU), without lockups and slowdowns?
You asked the right person- I care way too much about xcompmgr.
As it is xcompmgr does not have really active development. Pretty much the "final version" was released and is in Ubuntu....but that does not mean nothing has happened. You have two options:
1. (the one I recommend) I am using Breezy right now and I can say that it works much better with xcompmgr than before. The biggest bug for me- artifacts when playing full screen video- is gone in Totem-xine. GONE! The only xine to do that. Its what I really wanted for Christmas. The other bug- the log out screen one- still exists but I have found an elegant work around. Using these directions you can create a panel button to turn it off and on (no crashing). So just turn it off before you log out. Because Breezy likes xcompgr more (the developers were nice and compiled Gnome 2.12's Metacity without its featureless compmgr like they did in Hoary because they heard my begging-it helps to be the second biggest poster in the forum) I found a way to make it stable for you. If I remember correctly you did not like the fading trick, right? Thats awesome for you. Run xcompmgr with this command:
xcompmgr -n
and it will just use the GPU. No tricks, no crashing (me and another Ubuntu fan hammered on this and with just that option it was very stable compared to the fading and drop shadow options)....it just flys! I personally don't do that command (I love the fading) and so I have to deal with some random crashes-much less than Hoary though. You are lucky you do not. Then you must make it start when Gnome starts (go to "System," the "Preferences," then "Sessions." Click the last tab and hit "Add" and the "xcompmgr -n" command and run it in "order 48" -thats what I do, some say use "0" but that only worked for me in Hoary, not Breezy). I must admit that when it boots the desktop might be a little out of focus (or really out of focus with a little garbage) but as soon as you maximize a window everything works like a charm.
2. Use KDE. KDE forked xcompmgr and integrated it into its Window Manager. If you have your xorg file set up, then it gives you a "transparency" tab in the "window decoration" settings box. Its cool, and I hear a lot of the effects (like the fading and such) will be more stable by 3.5. The Gnome guys seem to refuse to do anymore than make Gnome work with xcompmgr because it requires non-OSS drivers to work (Gnome was started because of such strong principles). But since you don't ask much (in the way of effects)...either way will work for you. As you can tell, I care a lot...and the Gnome approach is enough for me for now...
Unless I'm missing something - I am new to Ubuntu, and even to Synaptic. If all I want is Stable (5.04), plus GNOMEv2.12 and Evolutionv2.3.7, but not to upgrade the whole dist to Breezy, can I do that?
As one of the more active Ubuntuers, I can tell you that major stable changes (new kernel, new Gnome, etc) only come with new releases. Gnome 2.12 just hit Breezy today. The month between now and its release is the time it will take to work it into Ubuntu. It is possible for you to do it yourself, but I would suggest waiting.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that wished they could have gone and explored the rest of Hyrule (especially in cel-shaded world) instead of it being barricaded off like some poorly put together landscape.
You were not. I am pretending that I will some day.
The federal government cut funding, but if the city had REALLY wanted to fix their levees before Katrina, they could have made some hard choices. Instead, they chose to court the Charlotte Hornets and get them to move to the Big Easy. Just as a "for example."
Yeah. Those cost about the same. Not. New Orleans has been in an economic slump for years. It could not afford the fixes. Now it doesn't have too, the Federal Government will (or risk being called racists).
You can leave parts of New Orleans in place, like the French Quarter and other parts that were on higher ground. However, the majority of inhabitants should move farther inland to higher ground to avoid the loss of life and property damage which happened this time. As someone in another thread mentioned, ports can be run with very few workers these days.
Thats already been happening for years. All of my family there have moved to higher ground across the lake because they could afford to. You might not know it but what you are really saying is "However, the rich and wealthy of inhabitants should move farther inland to higher ground as they have been doing and the rest should stay in Houston or where ever they are now because all the higher ground costs a lot more to live on."
All that land that is flooded now, the land that is covered in water is poorer and older parts. The business district only has like a foot of water. Everyone knew those places had a bigger risk...they cost less for a reason. So if you force all the people to move to high ground (what is now expensive suburbs), how will they afford this new land? Of yeah, the government will take taxpayers money to do it. Great idea, I don't mind them spending Yankee money on my home town.
A side effect of Katrina I think will be to reduce corruption in New Orleans. Something like 500 New Orleans police are MIA... somhow I doubt the corrupt cops are the ones who stayed behind to risk their lives fighting looters.
I hope so, but the corruption and racism starts at the top....not the bottom. There is a reason a lot of rich tourists from a nearby hotel got to board evacuation buses before all of the poorly treated people in the Superdome did. I hope airing the dirty laundry before the entire world will make things better. Me and my family hope for a better New Orleans in the end.
Those areas will sink too... in time. The delta silt and drained swamps will compress over the years just like they did in New orleans and in the Netherlands. More Levees will be needed there too.
Sure. All of Lousiana seems like it will sink at one point. Nothing but swamp. For the time being though, those areas across the lake are some of the highest ground in the second half of the state.
That's just one solution. There's lots of ways to make New Orleans safe... and safer than many other major metropolitan areas.
That all sounds nice, but Lake Pontchartrain is very weird, and my home town (New Orleans) is famous for its corruption. Nothing that nice will be done.
What will be done, what has been done for a while is that people who can are moving out of New Orleans. They move north of the lake (all my family has, was safe during this stuff), or move east of New Orleans (this showed that was a bad idea....watch for more to move across the lake) to just move to a different state (I did). This has really hurt New Orleans economically. Yet now all of its residents are being moved out, so the demographics will change dramatically for a while. I'm glad that people who are being moved are safe....but how many just won't come back?
You are just bitter because you know the Federal Government won't do that....or those in charge will be called racists. Its better to spend $50 billion taxpayer dollars than spend $200 million of the party's dollars during the next election to combat a "racist" image.
Yep, where we can play the latest incarnation of Mario in a photorealistic setting.
Or get an Xbox 360 and play Halo 360 or Grand Theft Auto 4. Or a Playstation 3 with Tekken 6 or Final Fantasy 12 (that one is funny). Everyone else does it, why can't Nintendo?
Some of my best memories are of Mario. Some more to come sounds fun.
it's not about "appreaciting" culture or history. it's ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ON A GOOD PLACE. the place is not a good place to decide to build a big city on. it's an expensive risk to build the city there again, a risk that doesn't have much point.
Will I ever be able to get graphics and graphic performance as good as Windows or OSX without having to use a proprietary driver?
Maybe, after both are years old. The real question is "Can I get better graphics and graphic performance with Open Drivers?
I say no. No matter what anyone tells you, there is nothing in Gnuland that can beat those Nvidia drivers. ONLY the Nvidia drivers for Linux can really flex composite (xcompmgr sucks without with....with it smooth as glass....bought 2 Nvidia cards just for that) and only Nvidia drivers can get the best frame rates in games. It costs resources to develop the drivers, and the companies have those resources. I think Nvidia will always be ahead of the homebrew crowd till they no longer exist (then I buy the next best thing).
No. Linux is a kernel. It wouldn't be the death of the Gnu OS either. There will ALWAYS be a way to have a pure Linux. People work to make that a fact today, and people will work to make that a fact in the future.
What it will kill is forcing people that use Linux and the Gnu OS to respect the Libre system. Because many don't, and you can't make them. They install the codecs, the Java, the closed games, the closed drivers, etc. because often they are better than the open solutions or they "just work." Should these people be forced down the path of the GPL lovers? Should Linux ONLY be for people that respect Free Software?
I don't think so.
In that case, you may as well go with "Microsoft Windows XP (r)".
Big jump there. So you are being very black and white about this. To you, using any closed software in an open system is as bad as a closed system. And Gnu fans wonder why they are called "hippies" and why people don't get their philosophy.
Its not lack and white, its grey. I can use and appreciate both kinds of software without my head or hardisk exploding. I like my Nvidia card. I bought it for the quality of its closed driver! With that driver I can play with Xcompmgr, play games at high frames rates and do many other things NO open source graphics driver provides.
Graphic cards are hard to make drivers for (look at ATI's problems on both platforms), even with the blueprint. Opensource development doesn't come for free, but companies like Nvidia (many ATI after Xorg makes big changes) are willing to spend the resources needed to do it as long as the code is not free. I accept that. Most of the market would. You would prefer to be years behind the market if only to be free. The Gnu OS should have both options...not just yours. And both are worked on, because that is what freedom is all about.
GNU is for the whole world, not just Libre zealots. Sorry to tell you, but that is the price YOU pay for freedom.
I think it's a crying shame that no one (i.e. Red Hat, Novell, IBM, etc) stepped up to sponsor such an intelligent and capable guy, even with just a living wage (although I'm glad that Novell hired Reveman, at least) - and the same goes for drobbins.
Him. Rasterman. Its hard to make money with the Linux desktop.
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You will like the new Gnome then. I'm using it in Ubuntu now, and the biggest advantage over the old version (I think) is better fonts because of Cairo.
I tried to Google it and failed....what is Window snapping? Like automaximizing?
Yeah, 3D stuff doesn't work with xcompmgr on. Its good to turn of OpenGL screensavers to avoid problems. If you like to run games or 3D stuff, the on/off script I gave is very helpful. I'm not much of a gamer so it does not bug me!
Well, that is a set back but its not the final story. One more try for Hoary (there are two commands that are very similar):
xcompmgr -a
As far as I can understand, its the same as -n without transparancy support...and you don't use that. I thought the difference was too slight to matter, but please try this and report back the results. If it doesn't work don't give up all hope...as I said Breezy is better. Thanks for the feedback.
I do all this with the xcompmgr installed through Synaptic in Breezy. If I was you I would try that command in the Hoary terminal to see if the actual effect is good for you. If so, then wait for Breezy (I predict mid October) and go through the steps. Then finally- at the end of 2005- you will have a more modern desktop!
Tiger is more like a Xbox game than Linux or Windows as far as development goes (way smaller control group), and Vista doesn't come for a while. My Gnome desktop looks awesome today. GNU is doing the best it can with the resources it has.
My Gnome 2.12 desktop does not look like Windows you insensitive clod!
Just so you know...I'm using Breezy right now with Gnome 2.12 and its very stable. The hardest part is over! Sorry you rode then and not now!
You asked the right person- I care way too much about xcompmgr.
As it is xcompmgr does not have really active development. Pretty much the "final version" was released and is in Ubuntu....but that does not mean nothing has happened. You have two options:
1. (the one I recommend) I am using Breezy right now and I can say that it works much better with xcompmgr than before. The biggest bug for me- artifacts when playing full screen video- is gone in Totem-xine. GONE! The only xine to do that. Its what I really wanted for Christmas. The other bug- the log out screen one- still exists but I have found an elegant work around. Using these directions you can create a panel button to turn it off and on (no crashing). So just turn it off before you log out. Because Breezy likes xcompgr more (the developers were nice and compiled Gnome 2.12's Metacity without its featureless compmgr like they did in Hoary because they heard my begging-it helps to be the second biggest poster in the forum) I found a way to make it stable for you. If I remember correctly you did not like the fading trick, right? Thats awesome for you. Run xcompmgr with this command:
xcompmgr -n
and it will just use the GPU. No tricks, no crashing (me and another Ubuntu fan hammered on this and with just that option it was very stable compared to the fading and drop shadow options)....it just flys! I personally don't do that command (I love the fading) and so I have to deal with some random crashes-much less than Hoary though. You are lucky you do not. Then you must make it start when Gnome starts (go to "System," the "Preferences," then "Sessions." Click the last tab and hit "Add" and the "xcompmgr -n" command and run it in "order 48" -thats what I do, some say use "0" but that only worked for me in Hoary, not Breezy). I must admit that when it boots the desktop might be a little out of focus (or really out of focus with a little garbage) but as soon as you maximize a window everything works like a charm.
2. Use KDE. KDE forked xcompmgr and integrated it into its Window Manager. If you have your xorg file set up, then it gives you a "transparency" tab in the "window decoration" settings box. Its cool, and I hear a lot of the effects (like the fading and such) will be more stable by 3.5. The Gnome guys seem to refuse to do anymore than make Gnome work with xcompmgr because it requires non-OSS drivers to work (Gnome was started because of such strong principles). But since you don't ask much (in the way of effects)...either way will work for you. As you can tell, I care a lot...and the Gnome approach is enough for me for now...
As one of the more active Ubuntuers, I can tell you that major stable changes (new kernel, new Gnome, etc) only come with new releases. Gnome 2.12 just hit Breezy today. The month between now and its release is the time it will take to work it into Ubuntu. It is possible for you to do it yourself, but I would suggest waiting.
You were not. I am pretending that I will some day.
I'm glad you have no say...and you will not get your way.
And, we do all that work, and a stronger huricane rolls through, what then? Re-rebuild? I don't think so.
Yep. Just like we do in Florida every time.
Yeah. Those cost about the same. Not. New Orleans has been in an economic slump for years. It could not afford the fixes. Now it doesn't have too, the Federal Government will (or risk being called racists).
Thats already been happening for years. All of my family there have moved to higher ground across the lake because they could afford to. You might not know it but what you are really saying is "However, the rich and wealthy of inhabitants should move farther inland to higher ground as they have been doing and the rest should stay in Houston or where ever they are now because all the higher ground costs a lot more to live on."
All that land that is flooded now, the land that is covered in water is poorer and older parts. The business district only has like a foot of water. Everyone knew those places had a bigger risk...they cost less for a reason. So if you force all the people to move to high ground (what is now expensive suburbs), how will they afford this new land? Of yeah, the government will take taxpayers money to do it. Great idea, I don't mind them spending Yankee money on my home town.
I hope so, but the corruption and racism starts at the top....not the bottom. There is a reason a lot of rich tourists from a nearby hotel got to board evacuation buses before all of the poorly treated people in the Superdome did. I hope airing the dirty laundry before the entire world will make things better. Me and my family hope for a better New Orleans in the end.
Those areas will sink too... in time. The delta silt and drained swamps will compress over the years just like they did in New orleans and in the Netherlands. More Levees will be needed there too.
Sure. All of Lousiana seems like it will sink at one point. Nothing but swamp. For the time being though, those areas across the lake are some of the highest ground in the second half of the state.
That all sounds nice, but Lake Pontchartrain is very weird, and my home town (New Orleans) is famous for its corruption. Nothing that nice will be done.
What will be done, what has been done for a while is that people who can are moving out of New Orleans. They move north of the lake (all my family has, was safe during this stuff), or move east of New Orleans (this showed that was a bad idea....watch for more to move across the lake) to just move to a different state (I did). This has really hurt New Orleans economically. Yet now all of its residents are being moved out, so the demographics will change dramatically for a while. I'm glad that people who are being moved are safe....but how many just won't come back?
You are just bitter because you know the Federal Government won't do that....or those in charge will be called racists. Its better to spend $50 billion taxpayer dollars than spend $200 million of the party's dollars during the next election to combat a "racist" image.
Welcome to 2005.
Or get an Xbox 360 and play Halo 360 or Grand Theft Auto 4. Or a Playstation 3 with Tekken 6 or Final Fantasy 12 (that one is funny). Everyone else does it, why can't Nintendo?
Some of my best memories are of Mario. Some more to come sounds fun.
Tell that to San Fran. Or most of Florida.
Maybe, after both are years old. The real question is "Can I get better graphics and graphic performance with Open Drivers?
I say no. No matter what anyone tells you, there is nothing in Gnuland that can beat those Nvidia drivers. ONLY the Nvidia drivers for Linux can really flex composite (xcompmgr sucks without with....with it smooth as glass....bought 2 Nvidia cards just for that) and only Nvidia drivers can get the best frame rates in games. It costs resources to develop the drivers, and the companies have those resources. I think Nvidia will always be ahead of the homebrew crowd till they no longer exist (then I buy the next best thing).
No. Linux is a kernel. It wouldn't be the death of the Gnu OS either. There will ALWAYS be a way to have a pure Linux. People work to make that a fact today, and people will work to make that a fact in the future.
What it will kill is forcing people that use Linux and the Gnu OS to respect the Libre system. Because many don't, and you can't make them. They install the codecs, the Java, the closed games, the closed drivers, etc. because often they are better than the open solutions or they "just work." Should these people be forced down the path of the GPL lovers? Should Linux ONLY be for people that respect Free Software?
I don't think so.
In that case, you may as well go with "Microsoft Windows XP (r)".
Big jump there. So you are being very black and white about this. To you, using any closed software in an open system is as bad as a closed system. And Gnu fans wonder why they are called "hippies" and why people don't get their philosophy.
Its not lack and white, its grey. I can use and appreciate both kinds of software without my head or hardisk exploding. I like my Nvidia card. I bought it for the quality of its closed driver! With that driver I can play with Xcompmgr, play games at high frames rates and do many other things NO open source graphics driver provides.
Graphic cards are hard to make drivers for (look at ATI's problems on both platforms), even with the blueprint. Opensource development doesn't come for free, but companies like Nvidia (many ATI after Xorg makes big changes) are willing to spend the resources needed to do it as long as the code is not free. I accept that. Most of the market would. You would prefer to be years behind the market if only to be free. The Gnu OS should have both options...not just yours. And both are worked on, because that is what freedom is all about.
GNU is for the whole world, not just Libre zealots. Sorry to tell you, but that is the price YOU pay for freedom.
Him. Rasterman. Its hard to make money with the Linux desktop.
Isn't this traditionally the weak point till now? I have seen interviews with rasterman where he complains that the big problems rely in Xrender.
And Epiphany eats both of their lunches. (I still use Firefox mostly though....just love the way it looks).