Yes there are other things to configure besides hardware. Like your desktop image, default browser and email client, whether or not you want to use the START button or.... use the START button.
Seriously though, what is your point? If a program crashes due to some setting - it should not take down the OS.
"Most computer crashes are caused by an INTERACTION of two pieces of code that did not know about each other and were never tested."
A majority of crashes are at the kernel level. How do you suppose one would go about "introducing" their code (drivers), and ensure compatibility. with an OS which is not open source?
"1) accept a restricted operating system that will never be able to compete with a commercial system like Windows."
Yep - unix, linux, OS X - they are all so "restricted" and shrouded in a veil of secrecy. Ha. Must be why they are not "commercial", right?
2) Never install a program that was not A) created by the same company/group that wrote your operating system, B) specifically designed for your particular computer, and C) designed to be used with and thoroughly tested against all the other software that is currently installed on your PC.
You highlighted this while reading your Getting Started with Windows XP booklet - didn't you?
"That is what companies do when they make non-pc computer equipment (cars have tiny computers) and is the reason why such things do not crash."
You are referring to what is called an embedded system - your reasoning/comparison is sorely invalid.
Apple's OS is designed for specific hardware - removing the need to juggle drivers & settings (micrsoft). This is where is gets much of its stability. Think of it as a custom tailored BSD suit. If you desire, you can modify the kernel (extensions)
Define the core hardware, then design the software (allowing user to modify if needed)
NOT
Write software that supports the hardware of vendors who "comply" with our standards (aka agenda), then offer POS api for development "non-compliant" hardware drivers.
Allowing people to crack open the kernel (open source) is the only way to get a secure and stable system.
Plug and Play my ass. http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9804/20/ga tes.co mdex/gates.30.160.mov
This is not a bug - it is more like an instruction/command. 'Crash on Command' - has a nice ring to it... I mean - if everything else is able to bring windows to its knees - the average user should be able too as well - right?
"Maybe if our users realize how easy it is to crash our software they will be more understading..." Brilliant! Those guys in Redmond just never stop innovating.
"The perfect ploy would be to make an Itanium-only Mac OS with some sort of backward compatibility with Microsoft code."
Oh, I see... Wonderfull idea - I bet that is just what they have mind.
More of Dvorak's insight:
"You'll discover that all the flavors of Linux and the open-source software that runs on it are getting more and more like Windows. This may cause big companies to dump Windows in favor of the cheaper open-source software, but none of it is quite as good as Windows-based software."
"After all, Linux was designed for the x86. This is the simple but overlooked fact of the Linux revolution: Its roots are in Wintel."
"So just as Microsoft has copied Apple's inventions out of necessity, the Linux community copies the inventions of Microsoft out of necessity."
Ha... What a wanker.
The home of the Windows POWER user. http://www.dvorak.org/
"Despite knowing right from wrong, we will usually choose what feels good."
And acting on what feels good - ignoring this knowledge of good and evil is wrong. So, what you are saying is that us humans ignore our conscious? Knowing what is right and wrong, we often/sometimes choose wrong? Wow, where did you get that one? Who is right concerning this issue?
What about being motivated by conviction? Humans often seem to do what they think is right, even thought it burdens them. Suicide bombers for instance. Your 'enlightened' take on human nature is way to simplistic.
Political partisanship aside - Gore is wanker. Sure, he is a nice guy, heart full of compassion, but that does not change the fact that he comes off as a wimp. Not the kind of image Apple needs - Apple has enough 'carisma'. I mean, even his fellow democrats avoid him like the plague. The guy is political poison. As hard as I try - I fail to see how this is a GOOD thing for Apple's PR and management.
I agree - Handwriting recognition (table pc) is about as useable as a horse when you have a car. There seems to be a historical trend of moving away from handwriting.
Then back to handwriting? I think the next step will be to free up one's hands (voice). The other day I was in a situation where I had to jot something down and only had some paper and a pen. A few words into my note I realized that I was writting in Palm scratch (Graffiti). Handwritting, like spelling, seems to be becoming more of a novelity skill.
Is the Xbox secure? I mean, how long till my xbox is full of virii - spewing DOS attacks? I thought I would have experienced this already (started using Xbox live last november). Maybe I am just too used to Microsoft's other products. IT staff is frantically trying to patch and repair their networks, recently being crippled by the latest super sneaky SQL Outlook VPN why go thru the window when there is no walls worm - but at least little Billy can rejoice - he just returned the flag!
Why not just have your browsing history sent straight to the chruch office = then compile everyone's weekly data - and sell it for 2 dollars on Sunday. The funds generated by this public decleration of piety can be used to send your youth group to Mexico so they can convert some poor mexican childern, teach them some english, and learn how blessed they are to not live in Mexico.
Oh ya, Baptists, I hope you realize this is a joke.
Ha. Anyone remember the 6 Taliban leaders decorated with AK-47's warning the United States that an attack would surely fail. Ha. We destroyed their major troop formations in the cover of darkenss - they could not even see where our missiles/bombs were coming from. Cannot imagine what that does moral. Much like getting struck down by the 'thunder god'. Poor bastards.
I will start with functionality. Applescript, from what I understand it has been around since OS 7.1 (10 years?), and I think one could make an argument that it will outlive perl. Applescript can call Cocoa (OS X object oriented framework) directly and thru other applications written using cocoa. This gives you access to all the capabilites of OS X itself as well as Quicktime and a whole sleu of other apps. You can use it for writting simple scripts or slap an interface on it to make a desktop application. For instance, Apple's iPhoto is 100% applescript (Quicktime), as well as Sherlock (shows off its SOAP XML-RPC capabilities). Amazon.com is much more enjoyable when accessed from a desktop app using an interface you designed yourself. Want shell scripts? Applescript can weave them in seamlesly (last release of Darwin throws perl in the forcast). You mentioned having to learn a new language - well - not much learning is involved. Applescript is written like spoken language - It's heavliy object-oriented enviroment (os x) allows for this. Here is the most generic example tossed around:
tell application "Finder"
if the (count of windows) is not 0 then
set collapsed of every window to true
end if end tell
Now you are on your way to taking control of your interface. Scripts calling apps, apps calling scripts, scripts talking to each other, grabbing info off the web.. The only limitation is your imagination - and if at first you are having problems getting used to applescript you can just have it record your actions much like a macro - this is a good way to get a handle on it's somewhat too intuitive syntax. Now on to the more specific questions.
"For me I need VIM to create rich web pages, and gimp if I ever want to change/create images. I've used Dreamweaver but don't value it as anything more than a good WSYWIG HTML editor, which has little value to me".
VIM is on my machine. So is Dreamweaver MX. http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/
"and for functionality answer me these questions, how many desktops can I use in OS X?"
I have two applications that offer this. They both work well with my 3 monitors. One is freeware (Space) and offers 4 virtual desktops, and one is shareware and offers up to I believe 100 http://codetek.com/graphics/virtualss.jpg
Where do I change my key bindings so I can ALT-F1-F5 to switch desktops and Win+R to run a program (or apple+R)?
Well, as we have learned you can script these actions and can either have the scripts running in the background listening for whatever keystroke you like, or maybe you would like to use OS X's built in speech recognition to issue the commands. Choice is yours. There are some good apps that tackle this area. Quikeys is nice, but LauchBar is the best UI app I have every used. It keeps track of all the apps/docs you want - will automatically scan for new items. When you want to launch something you hit your customized keystroke and type the name of what it is you want to launch. It quickly recognizes which apps you use and finnishes the name. CTRL-SPACE then 'a' then RETURN opens adobe photoshop - 'mo' opens Mozilla - fastest most effecient way to lauch applications IMO.
"What about the hard drive, cdrom or other clutter of icons? How..?"
Finder>Preferences> You can have HDs - Removable - Connected Servers (FTP, etc)... decide which you want or none at all. That is if you want to even use the finder desktop.
"Can I make my own pretty pictured buttons for my desktop and have them do different actions? Like a photo of a spider that launches all my internet programs (im/email/web/irc)?"
You are kidding right? You think that Apple would deny its designer market custom icons? You can change any icon, including applescripts. There are tons of people making these. Single Icons as well as themed sets. There is a lot of designers who now focus soley on icons for os x. http://www.xicons.com/
" And I do want the mouse wheel to change desktops up/down.... so be sure to include that in your reply..."
Hotkeys, automatic mouse focus, but no wheel. That is a good idea though - espicially since 10.2.4 (just came out) offers much better support for 3 button mice - I emailed the suggestion to Codetek - wait and see - chances are that it will be in the next release.
"How do I get an app to restart on login? But not just restart, I want it to go to the same desktop it was on, in the same place it was in, every time?"
Launch it with scripts - or with directories you can use.DS_STORE and permissions. You can decide which virtual desktop they appear on as well(CodeTek)
"I don't like having the 3 colored circles on the menubar for each application, I want 1 to shade the window, and 1 to close it, then I want double click to minimize it, middle click to shade it, and right click to display "a menu? Can I do that? How?"
You can use a theme but I would suggest sticking to the colors or graphite. Double clicking the top of any open window minimizes it, allways has. I right click with my intellimouse all the time - nice contextual menus - and you can customize them if you like (tons of apps that offer this).
"I want to change the colors of my UI, but I want different themes that I can just change from a menu, where do I put the menu?"
Full themes render bad sometimes - have not checked them out in a while though. You will notice that aqua blends into anything - masterfull design IMO - and aqua comes in many different flavors. Check out spymac.com - look at the desktops people post. Here are those menus you are asking about. Floating, autohide, only appear when you are working in certain apps , contextual menus, can have as many as you want, blah blah blah. You can change their apperance greatly. Many freeware, some shareware - but here is my favorite. http://www.dragthing.com/english/about. html
In Conclusion, I hope I answerd most of your questions. Kinda in a hurry. Let me know if you have anymore. Check out that DP mac by your desk - what do you have to lose? You can keep enlightenment in the dock or something - it is in mine.
Sounds to me like you have not experinced OS X - which can do everything your mention and then some. You setup your own scripts, huh, every heard of applescript? Can you use the functionality of say photoshop, Final Cut Pro, Dreamweaver, and Soap to script a little application that grabs content from the web, and uses that content to generate media rich web pages? Then, if you feel inclined to do something in inlighenment you can maximize it from the dock. Ha. I agree enlightenment is interesting but why bash OS X when you obviously know very little about it?
I think you are missing the point. Darwin is not about competing with Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD... It is about Apple being able to port OS X to x86 if they wanted. I know there is tons of controversy over whether or not this will happen, but it is a possibility. This would not be hard to do either - as long as they keep Darwin updated.
Dell selling systems with either OS X or XP pre-installed? Ha, unlikely, but Darwin is what makes it unlikely instead of impossible.
How is discussing the fact that Microsoft offers inferior products bashing? OS X makes XP look mickey mouse - plain and simple.
Microsoft depends on people being computer illiterate - thinking that if you do not run windows then you cannot interface with other windows machines .
Also, can you show me where XP is on your machine? I know it is in the system directory, but do you know what is going on in there? Can you modify the OS? No - you cannot. I can do all the following on OS X.
If you are happy just being able to do what microsoft allows, stay, but if you want an os that allows you to do whatever it is you want switch.
I think this is a bad move for Microsoft - it validates Apple's ads. They should have just ignored Apple's campaign and gone back to working on some of their proprietary BS.
Apple is phasing out their smaller monitors. I would agree that most PC users are at 1024x768 - but not mac users. Last time I checked Apple was not about supporting older tech trends...
Tabs are faster to switch between and use much less system resorces. Open 10 insteresting pages from a google query in one window...
Tabbed browsing would not slow down safari once developed fully. Ya, Mozilla and Netscape are bloated - but that has nothing to do with tabs. Ever heard of Chimera?
I see, so apathy is the answer? Liberals and Conservatives do have different views on issues, thus debate. How should we get to something "real"? By ceasing to debate, and coming to the conclusion that no one is right? Relativism is the pinnacle of stupidity - failing to realize that everyone has presuppositions, which dictates every aspect of their life. Don't they teach logic is the schools these days?
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Yes there are other things to configure besides hardware. Like your desktop image, default browser and email client, whether or not you want to use the START button or.... use the START button.
Seriously though, what is your point? If a program crashes due to some setting - it should not take down the OS.
"Most computer crashes are caused by an INTERACTION of two pieces of code that did not know about each other and were never tested."
A majority of crashes are at the kernel level. How do you suppose one would go about "introducing" their code (drivers), and ensure compatibility. with an OS which is not open source?
"1) accept a restricted operating system that will never be able to compete with a commercial system like Windows."
Yep - unix, linux, OS X - they are all so "restricted" and shrouded in a veil of secrecy. Ha. Must be why they are not "commercial", right?
2) Never install a program that was not A) created by the same company/group that wrote your operating system, B) specifically designed for your particular computer, and C) designed to be used with and thoroughly tested against all the other software that is currently installed on your PC.
You highlighted this while reading your Getting Started with Windows XP booklet - didn't you?
"That is what companies do when they make non-pc computer equipment (cars have tiny computers) and is the reason why such things do not crash."
You are referring to what is called an embedded system - your reasoning/comparison is sorely invalid.
Apple's OS is designed for specific hardware - removing the need to juggle drivers & settings (micrsoft). This is where is gets much of its stability. Think of it as a custom tailored BSD suit. If you desire, you can modify the kernel (extensions)
a tes.co mdex/gates.30.160.mov
Define the core hardware, then design the software (allowing user to modify if needed)
NOT
Write software that supports the hardware of vendors who "comply" with our standards (aka agenda), then offer POS api for development "non-compliant" hardware drivers.
Allowing people to crack open the kernel (open source) is the only way to get a secure and stable system.
Plug and Play my ass.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9804/20/g
Ya, but does Opera does not crash on command...
This is not a bug - it is more like an instruction/command. 'Crash on Command' - has a nice ring to it... I mean - if everything else is able to bring windows to its knees - the average user should be able too as well - right?
"Maybe if our users realize how easy it is to crash our software they will be more understading..." Brilliant! Those guys in Redmond just never stop innovating.
Not Idiots huh? You mean you are not running Microsoft machines?
So, why is Apple going with Intel again?
"The perfect ploy would be to make an Itanium-only Mac OS with some sort of backward compatibility with Microsoft code."
Oh, I see... Wonderfull idea - I bet that is just what they have mind.
More of Dvorak's insight:
"You'll discover that all the flavors of Linux and the open-source software that runs on it are getting more and more like Windows. This may cause big companies to dump Windows in favor of the cheaper open-source software, but none of it is quite as good as Windows-based software."
"After all, Linux was designed for the x86. This is the simple but overlooked fact of the Linux revolution: Its roots are in Wintel."
"So just as Microsoft has copied Apple's inventions out of necessity, the Linux community copies the inventions of Microsoft out of necessity."
Ha... What a wanker.
The home of the Windows POWER user.
http://www.dvorak.org/
"Despite knowing right from wrong, we will usually choose what feels good."
And acting on what feels good - ignoring this knowledge of good and evil is wrong. So, what you are saying is that us humans ignore our conscious? Knowing what is right and wrong, we often/sometimes choose wrong? Wow, where did you get that one? Who is right concerning this issue?
What about being motivated by conviction? Humans often seem to do what they think is right, even thought it burdens them. Suicide bombers for instance. Your 'enlightened' take on human nature is way to simplistic.
Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf said earlier today:
"There is not one American soldier on Iraqi soil."
"We will not allow them to get out of this quagmire which we trapped them in. They will see their end there."
Diagnosis: Schizophrenic Pathological Liar with Grand Delusions
Perscription: 300 Cruise Missles - 10 B2 Bombers - 3 Marine Divisions and call me in the morning.
Political partisanship aside - Gore is wanker. Sure, he is a nice guy, heart full of compassion, but that does not change the fact that he comes off as a wimp. Not the kind of image Apple needs - Apple has enough 'carisma'. I mean, even his fellow democrats avoid him like the plague. The guy is political poison. As hard as I try - I fail to see how this is a GOOD thing for Apple's PR and management.
I agree - Handwriting recognition (table pc) is about as useable as a horse when you have a car. There seems to be a historical trend of moving away from handwriting.
Printingpress > Telegraph > Typewriter > Telephone > Fax > Email > Voice Recognition...
Then back to handwriting? I think the next step will be to free up one's hands (voice). The other day I was in a situation where I had to jot something down and only had some paper and a pen. A few words into my note I realized that I was writting in Palm scratch (Graffiti). Handwritting, like spelling, seems to be becoming more of a novelity skill.
Is the Xbox secure? I mean, how long till my xbox is full of virii - spewing DOS attacks? I thought I would have experienced this already (started using Xbox live last november). Maybe I am just too used to Microsoft's other products. IT staff is frantically trying to patch and repair their networks, recently being crippled by the latest super sneaky SQL Outlook VPN why go thru the window when there is no walls worm - but at least little Billy can rejoice - he just returned the flag!
Why not just have your browsing history sent straight to the chruch office = then compile everyone's weekly data - and sell it for 2 dollars on Sunday. The funds generated by this public decleration of piety can be used to send your youth group to Mexico so they can convert some poor mexican childern, teach them some english, and learn how blessed they are to not live in Mexico.
Oh ya, Baptists, I hope you realize this is a joke.
Ha. Anyone remember the 6 Taliban leaders decorated with AK-47's warning the United States that an attack would surely fail. Ha. We destroyed their major troop formations in the cover of darkenss - they could not even see where our missiles/bombs were coming from. Cannot imagine what that does moral. Much like getting struck down by the 'thunder god'. Poor bastards.
http://forsite.com/
Think they have the $19.99 package? Some vhost with 100 sites per box. Ugly.
Mac users, as a group, are more educated and have higher incomes than any one OS's users.
i ns try
http://rss.com.com/2100-1040-943519.html?tag=ma
Good questions - do my best to answer them.
/ www.obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.html
.DS_STORE and permissions. You can decide which virtual desktop they appear on as well(CodeTek)
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I will start with functionality. Applescript, from what I understand it has been around since OS 7.1 (10 years?), and I think one could make an argument that it will outlive perl. Applescript can call Cocoa (OS X object oriented framework) directly and thru other applications written using cocoa. This gives you access to all the capabilites of OS X itself as well as Quicktime and a whole sleu of other apps. You can use it for writting simple scripts or slap an interface on it to make a desktop application. For instance, Apple's iPhoto is 100% applescript (Quicktime), as well as Sherlock (shows off its SOAP XML-RPC capabilities). Amazon.com is much more enjoyable when accessed from a desktop app using an interface you designed yourself. Want shell scripts? Applescript can weave them in seamlesly (last release of Darwin throws perl in the forcast). You mentioned having to learn a new language - well - not much learning is involved. Applescript is written like spoken language - It's heavliy object-oriented enviroment (os x) allows for this. Here is the most generic example tossed around:
tell application "Finder"
if the (count of windows) is not 0 then
set collapsed of every window to true
end if
end tell
Now you are on your way to taking control of your interface. Scripts calling apps, apps calling scripts, scripts talking to each other, grabbing info off the web.. The only limitation is your imagination - and if at first you are having problems getting used to applescript you can just have it record your actions much like a macro - this is a good way to get a handle on it's somewhat too intuitive syntax. Now on to the more specific questions.
"For me I need VIM to create rich web pages, and gimp if I ever want to change/create images. I've used Dreamweaver but don't value it as anything more than a good WSYWIG HTML editor, which has little value to me".
VIM is on my machine. So is Dreamweaver MX.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/
"and for functionality answer me these questions, how many desktops can I use in OS X?"
I have two applications that offer this. They both work well with my 3 monitors. One is freeware (Space) and offers 4 virtual desktops, and one is shareware and offers up to I believe 100
http://codetek.com/graphics/virtualss.jpg
Where do I change my key bindings so I can ALT-F1-F5 to switch desktops and Win+R to run a program (or apple+R)?
Well, as we have learned you can script these actions and can either have the scripts running in the background listening for whatever keystroke you like, or maybe you would like to use OS X's built in speech recognition to issue the commands. Choice is yours. There are some good apps that tackle this area. Quikeys is nice, but LauchBar is the best UI app I have every used. It keeps track of all the apps/docs you want - will automatically scan for new items. When you want to launch something you hit your customized keystroke and type the name of what it is you want to launch. It quickly recognizes which apps you use and finnishes the name. CTRL-SPACE then 'a' then RETURN opens adobe photoshop - 'mo' opens Mozilla - fastest most effecient way to lauch applications IMO.
http://www.cesoft.com/products/qkx.html
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"What about the hard drive, cdrom or other clutter of icons? How..?"
Finder>Preferences> You can have HDs - Removable - Connected Servers (FTP, etc)... decide which you want or none at all. That is if you want to even use the finder desktop.
"Can I make my own pretty pictured buttons for my desktop and have them do different actions? Like a photo of a spider that launches all my internet programs (im/email/web/irc)?"
You are kidding right? You think that Apple would deny its designer market custom icons? You can change any icon, including applescripts. There are tons of people making these. Single Icons as well as themed sets. There is a lot of designers who now focus soley on icons for os x.
http://www.xicons.com/
" And I do want the mouse wheel to change desktops up/down.... so be sure to include that in your reply..."
Hotkeys, automatic mouse focus, but no wheel. That is a good idea though - espicially since 10.2.4 (just came out) offers much better support for 3 button mice - I emailed the suggestion to Codetek - wait and see - chances are that it will be in the next release.
"How do I get an app to restart on login? But not just restart, I want it to go to the same desktop it was on, in the same place it was in, every time?"
Launch it with scripts - or with directories you can use
"I don't like having the 3 colored circles on the menubar for each application, I want 1 to shade the window, and 1 to close it, then I want double click to minimize it, middle click to shade it, and right click to display "a menu? Can I do that? How?"
You can use a theme but I would suggest sticking to the colors or graphite. Double clicking the top of any open window minimizes it, allways has. I right click with my intellimouse all the time - nice contextual menus - and you can customize them if you like (tons of apps that offer this).
"I want to change the colors of my UI, but I want different themes that I can just change from a menu, where do I put the menu?"
Full themes render bad sometimes - have not checked them out in a while though. You will notice that aqua blends into anything - masterfull design IMO - and aqua comes in many different flavors. Check out spymac.com - look at the desktops people post. Here are those menus you are asking about. Floating, autohide, only appear when you are working in certain apps , contextual menus, can have as many as you want, blah blah blah. You can change their apperance greatly. Many freeware, some shareware - but here is my favorite.
http://www.dragthing.com/english/about
In Conclusion, I hope I answerd most of your questions. Kinda in a hurry. Let me know if you have anymore. Check out that DP mac by your desk - what do you have to lose? You can keep enlightenment in the dock or something - it is in mine.
Sounds to me like you have not experinced OS X - which can do everything your mention and then some. You setup your own scripts, huh, every heard of applescript? Can you use the functionality of say photoshop, Final Cut Pro, Dreamweaver, and Soap to script a little application that grabs content from the web, and uses that content to generate media rich web pages? Then, if you feel inclined to do something in inlighenment you can maximize it from the dock. Ha. I agree enlightenment is interesting but why bash OS X when you obviously know very little about it?
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~marcosh/iraf/ma cx11.html
I think you are missing the point. Darwin is not about competing with Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD... It is about Apple being able to port OS X to x86 if they wanted. I know there is tons of controversy over whether or not this will happen, but it is a possibility. This would not be hard to do either - as long as they keep Darwin updated. Dell selling systems with either OS X or XP pre-installed? Ha, unlikely, but Darwin is what makes it unlikely instead of impossible.
Just some of the reasons I use a mac...
OS X's open archatechture is more more flexibility allowing developers to offer solutions not feasable with Windows.
I can run most linux/unix apps natively in OS X. (I use gnome reguarly)
There are few wintel machines that can keep up with my dual 1 ghz G4.
I have an xbox to play games... That runs linux I might add.
Can't wait to see these Microsft switcher ads. I think they are going to regret this one.
How is discussing the fact that Microsoft offers inferior products bashing? OS X makes XP look mickey mouse - plain and simple. Microsoft depends on people being computer illiterate - thinking that if you do not run windows then you cannot interface with other windows machines . Also, can you show me where XP is on your machine? I know it is in the system directory, but do you know what is going on in there? Can you modify the OS? No - you cannot. I can do all the following on OS X. If you are happy just being able to do what microsoft allows, stay, but if you want an os that allows you to do whatever it is you want switch. I think this is a bad move for Microsoft - it validates Apple's ads. They should have just ignored Apple's campaign and gone back to working on some of their proprietary BS.
Apple is phasing out their smaller monitors. I would agree that most PC users are at 1024x768 - but not mac users. Last time I checked Apple was not about supporting older tech trends...
Tabs are faster to switch between and use much less system resorces. Open 10 insteresting pages from a google query in one window...
Tabbed browsing would not slow down safari once developed fully. Ya, Mozilla and Netscape are bloated - but that has nothing to do with tabs. Ever heard of Chimera?
Apple would be insane to leave out tabs...
I see, so apathy is the answer? Liberals and Conservatives do have different views on issues, thus debate. How should we get to something "real"? By ceasing to debate, and coming to the conclusion that no one is right? Relativism is the pinnacle of stupidity - failing to realize that everyone has presuppositions, which dictates every aspect of their life. Don't they teach logic is the schools these days?