I agree... regardless of the degree type 4 years is the way to go. 2 year or 4 year, you're still going to be a newbie when you get hired, and you may or may not be a brilliant programmer. What the boss is looking for is how you coped with dealing with a 4 year program and if you learned "how to learn."
I went right from highschool to a computer engineering program. After my first year I got an internship, and then I was hired by my employer and I started finishing up my last 3 years of school at an online university. I am just about to graduate and my position is greater then that of the college hires and I've been making a good salary since 19.
In the end, college is only really going to get you in the door somewhere, and after that it's all up to you. Sure, MIT or Devry will judge how good your salary is at that starting point, but that doesn't mean the Devry person is going to be the first one laid off either.
Hey, and if you love PHP and MySQL -- big money isn't for you! I find it easier to enter a job position that is diverse (some like C++, some like Java), and then when the situation arises where you have a short project time and you need to develop a web app -- PHP will be your savior. Not saying that doing servlets doesn't do the job, but you can write a PHP app much quicker than a java one.
I am still am in my early 20s and I have found what you say to be true (i am no engaged btw). For a while I did the hardcore 40 hours a week and not a minute over, but less work was done. Then came the layoffs, and outsourcing, and a performance system where your performance has a forced distribution (someone has to be the worst even if everyone is kicking ass).
This all brought me back to working longer hours, but now I do it on my terms... I telecommute. First off, working from home gives you like 2-3 hours additional per day. No commuting time, don't have to "look good", just do a quick shower and throw on some shorts and a t-shirt. My office chair is a recliner, and if I'm writing code I can have music going or a movie in the background etc.
My girlfriend also now does online school and we're home all day together. We make our own schedules and go out when we want (pretty much). Sometimes conference calls get in the way, but those can always be worked around. On a late conference call one day, sleep in the next day!
The only downside is the lack of a clear cut between work and play. Telecommuting it's like you can work anytime of the day and flex your hours to any ridiculous ends. For example, I might not start work until 2pm, but then I finish around 10pm, or I get up at 6am and finish at 2pm and spend the afternoon outside having fun.
In any case, the economic climate is not one where you can pick and choose your job or even your working conditions. Right now it is a time of survival and if you don't want your salary being divided between 3 offshore developers, then you better show that you are boht innovative and dedicated to your job.
True that, there's enough good security stuff out there like media encryption (take a look at the H.323 phones from Avaya and Avaya's Communication Manager product), though I think Cisco followed suit and added it.
The main problem with adopting voice is that many networks are not setup for voice. Everything from at least a 100MB back bone to VLANs is required to get good quality of service in VOIP, and even then things can happen that require you to tune the network.
Wrong. You do go choose one, at least I did. I approached it like I would any other engineering problem.... I was seeing so much resources and time in and little coming out so I stream lined the process using match.com.
Once a week (as not to not be obsessed) go on match.com, find 30 potential matches, e-mail them.... see where things go in one week, if nothing is amazing, find another 30, their database is so huge that you'll find one. It was this method that I used to find my soulmate.
get a girlfriend. When I work at home, my girlfriend is there with me and we have a blast. She's in nursing school so I get to spend most of the day with her.
Nice insight.
I agree that if you ever watched any of the japanese Dragonball Z, the characters on the japanese voice actors go nucking futs when the character goes super saiyan.
Except that the first part of my comment has nothing to do with messenger, it's about creative advertisement, and the other half is the off-topic distaste of messenger.
until this happened. I mean, I remember back in 97 (?) getting advertisements and other crap in ICQ. Naturally, people are going to find all sort of creative ways to send you advertising... whether it's a legitimate use of software or a kink in the system.
I for one am glad I run linux, and thanks to MS latest update to messenger, I can't even use it. WOOT!
ENUM is good when the PBX is not authoritative for a number. For example, if someone dials a number inside a company, if that number is for another extension in the company you send the call there. It is only when this number goes outside of the company that it is useful.
BTW, It also plays well with SIP (RFC 3261), because that number can map to a SIP URI sip:user@domain to route a call. Neato!
Unfortunately, I tried putting Red Hat on my Dell Inspiron 8000 so many times. For starters, no out of the book support for the GeForce2 Go card (guh). Secondly, it didn't like something about the harddrive (or motherboard and harddrive) and it would corrupt the harddrive every time I shut it off.
I can't explain how frustrating it is to watch it corrupt itself every time you cycle the power. Sometimes it wouldn't do it at first, but within a week I'd be pulling my hair out.
And I thought _I_ bought a lot of laptops... I even picked up a linux laptop from tuxtops.com (now something like quilinuxpc.com), throw in a Dell Inspiron 8000, and a Sony, and an old Toshiba I gave to my dad.
"Sir, I think you've had enough!"
- I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'VE HAD ENOUGH! (Bleeding Gums Murphy and his egg addiction)
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I agree... regardless of the degree type 4 years is the way to go. 2 year or 4 year, you're still going to be a newbie when you get hired, and you may or may not be a brilliant programmer. What the boss is looking for is how you coped with dealing with a 4 year program and if you learned "how to learn."
I went right from highschool to a computer engineering program. After my first year I got an internship, and then I was hired by my employer and I started finishing up my last 3 years of school at an online university. I am just about to graduate and my position is greater then that of the college hires and I've been making a good salary since 19.
In the end, college is only really going to get you in the door somewhere, and after that it's all up to you. Sure, MIT or Devry will judge how good your salary is at that starting point, but that doesn't mean the Devry person is going to be the first one laid off either.
Hey, and if you love PHP and MySQL -- big money isn't for you! I find it easier to enter a job position that is diverse (some like C++, some like Java), and then when the situation arises where you have a short project time and you need to develop a web app -- PHP will be your savior. Not saying that doing servlets doesn't do the job, but you can write a PHP app much quicker than a java one.
I am still am in my early 20s and I have found what you say to be true (i am no engaged btw). For a while I did the hardcore 40 hours a week and not a minute over, but less work was done. Then came the layoffs, and outsourcing, and a performance system where your performance has a forced distribution (someone has to be the worst even if everyone is kicking ass).
This all brought me back to working longer hours, but now I do it on my terms... I telecommute. First off, working from home gives you like 2-3 hours additional per day. No commuting time, don't have to "look good", just do a quick shower and throw on some shorts and a t-shirt. My office chair is a recliner, and if I'm writing code I can have music going or a movie in the background etc.
My girlfriend also now does online school and we're home all day together. We make our own schedules and go out when we want (pretty much). Sometimes conference calls get in the way, but those can always be worked around. On a late conference call one day, sleep in the next day!
The only downside is the lack of a clear cut between work and play. Telecommuting it's like you can work anytime of the day and flex your hours to any ridiculous ends. For example, I might not start work until 2pm, but then I finish around 10pm, or I get up at 6am and finish at 2pm and spend the afternoon outside having fun.
In any case, the economic climate is not one where you can pick and choose your job or even your working conditions. Right now it is a time of survival and if you don't want your salary being divided between 3 offshore developers, then you better show that you are boht innovative and dedicated to your job.
Well, they can't... hence why telecomm has other things about user records for privacy laws in Europe
Check out Avaya (formerly part of Lucent/AT&T), that's what we have at work and it's been great.
I disagree. I have an IP phone at work, and it's great, I see little or no difference from my old circuit switched phone.
What brand of phone do you use? I have heard that earlier Cisco phones weren't so great.
Take a look at this presentation from Avaya (formerly the part of Lucent / AT&T that did all of the PBX/phones), they now have media encryption.
True that, there's enough good security stuff out there like media encryption (take a look at the H.323 phones from Avaya and Avaya's Communication Manager product), though I think Cisco followed suit and added it. The main problem with adopting voice is that many networks are not setup for voice. Everything from at least a 100MB back bone to VLANs is required to get good quality of service in VOIP, and even then things can happen that require you to tune the network.
The FBI can because telecomm equipment vendors are required to keep that functionality in.
Wrong. You do go choose one, at least I did. I approached it like I would any other engineering problem.... I was seeing so much resources and time in and little coming out so I stream lined the process using match.com.
Once a week (as not to not be obsessed) go on match.com, find 30 potential matches, e-mail them.... see where things go in one week, if nothing is amazing, find another 30, their database is so huge that you'll find one. It was this method that I used to find my soulmate.
get a girlfriend. When I work at home, my girlfriend is there with me and we have a blast. She's in nursing school so I get to spend most of the day with her.
another thing for those Escalades!
For some reason, Will Farrell's "I drive a Dodge Stratus!" line pops into my head.
selected memory loss.
Nice insight. I agree that if you ever watched any of the japanese Dragonball Z, the characters on the japanese voice actors go nucking futs when the character goes super saiyan.
because who wants to keep their personal thoughts in an outlook application...
mwahaha, flame away!
and a great one is DurisMUD.. durismud.org 6666
Except that the first part of my comment has nothing to do with messenger, it's about creative advertisement, and the other half is the off-topic distaste of messenger.
Yer right, AOL chat rooms are so 1990s. Everything else is just fluff that you can get anywhere else.
until this happened. I mean, I remember back in 97 (?) getting advertisements and other crap in ICQ. Naturally, people are going to find all sort of creative ways to send you advertising... whether it's a legitimate use of software or a kink in the system.
I for one am glad I run linux, and thanks to MS latest update to messenger, I can't even use it. WOOT!
ENUM is good when the PBX is not authoritative for a number. For example, if someone dials a number inside a company, if that number is for another extension in the company you send the call there. It is only when this number goes outside of the company that it is useful.
BTW, It also plays well with SIP (RFC 3261), because that number can map to a SIP URI sip:user@domain to route a call. Neato!
for better porn browsing. Search your feelings, you know this to be true!
Unfortunately, I tried putting Red Hat on my Dell Inspiron 8000 so many times. For starters, no out of the book support for the GeForce2 Go card (guh). Secondly, it didn't like something about the harddrive (or motherboard and harddrive) and it would corrupt the harddrive every time I shut it off.
I can't explain how frustrating it is to watch it corrupt itself every time you cycle the power. Sometimes it wouldn't do it at first, but within a week I'd be pulling my hair out.
And I thought _I_ bought a lot of laptops... I even picked up a linux laptop from tuxtops.com (now something like quilinuxpc.com), throw in a Dell Inspiron 8000, and a Sony, and an old Toshiba I gave to my dad.
"Sir, I think you've had enough!"
- I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'VE HAD ENOUGH! (Bleeding Gums Murphy and his egg addiction)
Whoops, here: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/10/08/HNimpate nt_1.html
Yahoo had this forever. There's also more coverage here, stating that AOL and Yahoo were not available for comment.