He might have- but a good 6 years before that he was the primary programmer on Altair Basic- and also has the dubious honor of being the very first software developer to ever complain about piracy in publication (Southern California Hardware Hacker's Club newsletter) when people started copying the papertapes he was publishing Altair Basic on.
For that reward, I personally suggest a maximum wage law, tied to minimum wage. We don't want it so bad that we return to the 1950s- when a man earning $100,000 a year as a captain of industry had the same take home pay as a man earning $8000 a year digging ditches. Given inflation, and Plato's original maximum wage idea, and the fact that our society is far more complex than ancient greece, I'm willing to have a 100x difference in take home pay before this kicks in: The poor man should be allowed to keep the standard living wage and pay no taxes on it at $26,000/year; the rich man should thus be allowed to keep 100 times that, or $2.6 million a year (about the same as the estate tax is currently, oddly enough). Beyond that, it's trickle down or confiscation- and that's the choice of the rich man which he wants his money to go to. A man who believes in government and the good government can do may well choose to have his excess wealth go to government; another man may choose charity, a third man may use a million to open a factory here or a artisan shop there. But one way or another, that which is Ceaser's should be returned to Ceaser- for the purpose for which Ceaser intended it.
And my point was that I think taxes should be raised for the rich- and then significantly lowered to encourage employment specifically. Same idea goes for charity and all the other excuses people make for the rich being allowed to horde money. What such a system would do is strongly ENCOURAGE the social positives of employment, consumption, and charity, and strongly DISCOURAGE large personal fortunes that just sit in vaults going to waste.
The negative point goes to corporations like Microsoft- they'd have to lower the cost of Windows licensing to $40/seat before their profit would equal their payroll.
Handle referes to the way I see economic systems- as systems. Marxist capitalism is a great starting point for that point of view- class controls point of view, which controls behavior to some extent (past needs it breaks down- but less than 20% of the population of the planet is able to meet basic needs right now).
The solution lies in operating systems research. We've learned a hell of a lot about resource allocation in the last 40 years- both consumable and durable- and it's high time the economists started looking at our experiments as a fertile ground for testing their own theories.
I am not rich, in fact, I am far from rich, but I do not think that we should penalize people for making more money. Usually someone who is making a lot of money is employing at least a few people, there aren't too many jobs that make someone wealthy without employing some others.
In that case, would you support making the relationship explicit? High personal income taxes on the top rate, but household and business payrolls should be 100% tax deductible. So if you're making a lot of money, but you're using the excess to hire people, your taxes actually go down.
He doesn't know what the hell he is talking about- I'd trade places with him (or any other person working face time in the entertainment industry) in a second. If anything, black comedians (and my favorite hispanic comedian, Carlos Mencia) have a never-ending gold mine in racism.
Kind of a me too- 10 years into this career I'm anything but rich. In fact, my standard of living has gone DOWN in the last 5 years, and I've spent 2 out of those 5 years unemployed.
The problem isn't race, it's class- and nationality. Americans of any sort are very much in the unenviable position of being raised with high standard of living that can't be supported in today's global market. And that includes EVERYBODY in North America- just look at how much better off the Guatamalans and NOLA residents have been than the Pakistanis, just to name 3 natural disasters that happened in the last 3 months.
There's a great program for ARM pocketpcs called The Core Pocket Media Player. It's F/OSS and runs absolutely great. It'll play divx, mpg, wmv, mp3, ogg, asf and some more on top of it. I'd highly recommend that over the media player that comes built into windows mobile these days.
2nd reply to bring the url to the surface- it's by far the best media player for Windows CE I've seen yet, and it's open source. I've yet to see how it's playlists work- but the zoom feature alone is far in excess of WMP, it might end up my favorite media player of all time.
So it looks to me like you have two options- fiddle with the dip switches to find a setting that will allow you to play Red Book CDs, or find a program that allows you to write CD-Interactive Green Book Format discs.
RealNetworks StreamServer. Then you could simply write a webpage on a central server for doing such things as choosing from a centralized MP3 library, or setting another audio source through server side scripting and an IR blaster. At that point, any computer in the house with a web browser becomes an interface point for your sound server- and the local computer soundcard and speakers become the output.
A very interesting idea- and maybe evenutally when I have a 400GB hard drive on my home server, I'll do something similar.
Actually, it looks like it might- which opens up a VERY interesting possibility for me (been wanting to get rid of Comcast and go with Dish network or something else- if I had a way to do the same thing with TIVO it would be interesting).
Exactly right- I showsqueeze between 9pm-6am, and there's always 8 hours or so of TV waiting for me to copy to the flash cards or my hitachi CF harddrive in the morning.
assume a 5 day work week, that's 261 days a year at a very generous 100,000 write cycles that would be roughly 383 years of use if 100,00 is indeed reliable, and most flash manufacturers are claiming a factor of 10 to 50 larger than that which would provide a scenario of 3831 to 19,000 + years
I honestly hadn't looked into it recently- I've only had this happen with one card, and it was a very early model.
Thank you VERY much- it might also well be the answer to a friend's problem (he got a NEW Windows Mobile 2004 device, and Windows Mobile 10.0 won't play his non-DRMed content anymore- grrr). I downloaded the cabs to my little hitachi hard drive- I'll try it out on the way home tonight.
Flip your bit on the meaning of portability. I mean- able to watch my TV shows recorded after I went to sleep the night before on the train on the way in, not "portability between operating systems". Since my IPAQ has Windows Mobile in Rom and I'm not likely to reflash it with an ARM installation of Linux while I'm using it to store my entire life, portability from an OS standpoint doesn't matter to me nearly as much as the day-to-day rhythm of my life does.
Mine isn't that different- and to prove it, RTFA, SageTV and BeyondTV got similar scores from the reviewer. BeyondTV can do MPG for burning to DVDs as well- has a couple of "recommended" options that even eliminate the transcoding. And my LifeView (really, really, really cheap) TV Tuner card matches your Hauppauge PVR. To view in the living room, I too burn DVDs. But what I was talking about was *portability*, which is why I use WMVs all the time- I'm rarely near my living room, but I always have my IPAQ on me.
True enough. Switched some time ago to a Hitachi hard drive- though I still use flash memory from time to time. However, given the standard 1000 writes of a flash memory card- you could go THREE YEARS rewriting 90% of your flash memory card daily before it would wear out- and by then, I'll even be tossing away my Hitachi CF form hard drive for under $100, 4GB flash cards...
The one thing I like about Beyond TV- other than the fact that it runs just fine on obsolete hardware and an obsolete operating system- is that it produces WMV files. I believe MythTV on Linux does so as well- but TIVO fails in this regard. What do WMV files do for me? Give me two hours on the train every day to watch TV, during my commute, on my Windows Mobile IPAQ. That's five half-hour shows (once you skip the commercials) or three hour length shows- and I use the showsqueeze function to put them into a very watchable, 60MB/hr format that fits nicely onto flash cards.
How about a bit of server side scripting instead? If the requesting IP is inside China, then it's a provinence, else, it's a country, and be done with it.
The difference between distributism and objectivism is this: There's no room for selfishness in a distributist system. Because each artisan in each town has a *right* to the customers they know, as well as a right to ask the town council to levee tariffs to protect that right, markets in a distributist system are naturally limited.
The problem with this is that some things (national intersate system) can be too big for any individual to do, and possibly extremely difficult to organize a collection of people to do.
Under a distributist system, such large organizations become completely unneccessary. There's no need to move large amounts of goods or armament around the country- there are local producers to provide those needs. There's no need to move money around the nation or even have a combined national currency; each town would print it's own, and be responsible for their own welfare. Distributists were the only lefties to resist the Social Security system- they knew it was neccessary under capitalism, but they said that it was immoral in the extreme for it to be neccessary at all.
The plus side is when a disaster like Hurricane Katrina comes by, you don't have people relying on an agency like FEMA, people are prepared themselves. ($20 inflatable boat plus $80 of canned food and bottled water could keep someone going for over a month in a flood zone)
It's actually even better than that- within WALKING distance of the edge of the flood zone is a guy who makes the rubber rafts in his basement. And another one who's running a wood burning still to create clean water (he normally manfactures booze). And a third farmer selling the produce of his fields- or giving it away because he knows people who are in need.
I think what we need is for people to have spirit of objectivism/libertarianism in that they strive to be self reliant and independent while maintaining a society that ensures that everyone is able to start adulthood with a minimum level of preparation and that there is some kind of safety net to prevent productive people from falling. Of course, there is no way to establish a government like this because, peoples attitudes are personal options (for now anyway).
True enough- though a smart demagogue could take advantage of the three main facts that are now converging to make distributism possible in the United States: 1. The end of cheap energy. 2. The lack of central government services. 3. The fact that distributism is Roman Catholic and that Roman Catholics have a 25% plurality in the United States now- a voting block 62 million strong.
I think the key to taking advantage of that last is explaining it both in terms of economic science and in terms of Church Teaching- you'd still lose the Traditionalists on one side and the anti-Catholics on the other, but in a three way race you'd probably still come out ahead.
don't think mass production goes against that at all. Alvin Toffler's book 'future shock' outlined a very different mass production than most people think of; A Toffleresque mass production might very well be more like what you are looking for. Unless I misunderstood what you're getting at, or what he was getting at. It would be a continually redefining, upgrading superprocess. A mechanism of creations of pure uniqueness, addressing the needs of more and more people and leaving out fewer and fewer. Add in 'decentralization' and I think we are getting somewhere.
The problem is, the more people whose needs you address, the more you push OTHER people out of work- other people that have the *same* human dignity and right to work that you do. That's where decentralization comes in- for Toffleresque mass production to actually result in an increase in standard of living, the point shouldn't be to serve *more* people- but rather to serve *people we know*. The central point of distributism is to make human dignity and human relationships central; because artisans save their best work for the people they *know* and dare I even say *love*.
This actually does create Toffleresque mass production eventually- because there will be surpluses in some neighborhoods and shortages in others. But it won't cause the surpluses to force other people creating the same good out of business- because they have a primal right to their local customers above an outsider.
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I wouldn't call this [census.gov] severe. The drop is consistent with other recessions.
Considering that the entire business cycle is just an invention of the oligarchy- I consider ANY recession severe; because it simply doesn't need to happen.
I'd still need to see a breakdown of the figures. Statistics like that are easy to fudge; for example the recent reports that the US has a zero percent savings rate are only obtained by ignoring stuff like 401k contributions.
I agree to some extent- I was kind of shocked by this figure as well. I'm still working on cooberation for it- is business debt that bad, or is it the fact that we're entirely financing the recovery on interest-only mortgages?
The millions of people buying Tivos and iPods presumably believe otherwise.
Actually- Entertainment Industry being up is a sure sign of trouble elsewhere. The largest growth for the movie industry was during the Great Depression, due to the need for people to escape from how miserable their real lives had become. More money spent on entertainment is a rotten indicator for that reason. You CAN live your entire life unemployed and stealing music from the Internet if you have a mere $100 piece of equipment- but do you want to?
My point is that we're better off now that we do have showers.
Not really- life just costs more and we have to spend more of it working. They were as happy with their lot back then as we are now- happier, because they had the hope of a whole new continent opening up. What have we got left to look forward to? Seeing the next crapy reality TV show coming out?
You can always cancel your cable and Internet service to free up cash.
Well 1/2 is good- but you can't get a job without Internet Service these days.
Now if you've taken on more debt than you can afford even after getting rid of nonessential spending then you're screwed
As the credit card companies would tell you- I can only not afford that debt because debt-to-income ratios in the United States are based on always having increasing income- and I don't. The bankruptcy rate proves I'm not alone either in that experience.
but nobody made you sign up for that interest-only loan
Except, of course, they never tell you what an interest-only loan is until they have the signature on the paper. To a certain extent- buyer beware, of course. But if we're going to go on buyer beware, then the grand majority of society would be better off bartering with their neighbors for the goods they need than paying Walton in Alabama for lower quality and worse service. It's simply not worth it having a national economy OR trade.
Myself, I'm starting at home. As we get rid of our consumer debt, we're investing in permaculture and ambient energy (it helps that when my brother bought our parent's farm, the contract requires him to share up to 1/3rd the harvest with me- as long as I either work for or pay for the harvest...now if I can only get a car that I can fuel up either in the city or on the farm, from stuff created in the city or on the farm, to make the 40 mile trip. I'm seriously thinking about exploring running cars on apple whiskey). I really think that will be key in a few years- individuals creating energy+ and food+ homes and who are willing to share with their neighbors....
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He might have- but a good 6 years before that he was the primary programmer on Altair Basic- and also has the dubious honor of being the very first software developer to ever complain about piracy in publication (Southern California Hardware Hacker's Club newsletter) when people started copying the papertapes he was publishing Altair Basic on.
For that reward, I personally suggest a maximum wage law, tied to minimum wage. We don't want it so bad that we return to the 1950s- when a man earning $100,000 a year as a captain of industry had the same take home pay as a man earning $8000 a year digging ditches. Given inflation, and Plato's original maximum wage idea, and the fact that our society is far more complex than ancient greece, I'm willing to have a 100x difference in take home pay before this kicks in: The poor man should be allowed to keep the standard living wage and pay no taxes on it at $26,000/year; the rich man should thus be allowed to keep 100 times that, or $2.6 million a year (about the same as the estate tax is currently, oddly enough). Beyond that, it's trickle down or confiscation- and that's the choice of the rich man which he wants his money to go to. A man who believes in government and the good government can do may well choose to have his excess wealth go to government; another man may choose charity, a third man may use a million to open a factory here or a artisan shop there. But one way or another, that which is Ceaser's should be returned to Ceaser- for the purpose for which Ceaser intended it.
And my point was that I think taxes should be raised for the rich- and then significantly lowered to encourage employment specifically. Same idea goes for charity and all the other excuses people make for the rich being allowed to horde money. What such a system would do is strongly ENCOURAGE the social positives of employment, consumption, and charity, and strongly DISCOURAGE large personal fortunes that just sit in vaults going to waste.
The negative point goes to corporations like Microsoft- they'd have to lower the cost of Windows licensing to $40/seat before their profit would equal their payroll.
Handle referes to the way I see economic systems- as systems. Marxist capitalism is a great starting point for that point of view- class controls point of view, which controls behavior to some extent (past needs it breaks down- but less than 20% of the population of the planet is able to meet basic needs right now).
The solution lies in operating systems research. We've learned a hell of a lot about resource allocation in the last 40 years- both consumable and durable- and it's high time the economists started looking at our experiments as a fertile ground for testing their own theories.
I am not rich, in fact, I am far from rich, but I do not think that we should penalize people for making more money. Usually someone who is making a lot of money is employing at least a few people, there aren't too many jobs that make someone wealthy without employing some others.
In that case, would you support making the relationship explicit? High personal income taxes on the top rate, but household and business payrolls should be 100% tax deductible. So if you're making a lot of money, but you're using the excess to hire people, your taxes actually go down.
He doesn't know what the hell he is talking about- I'd trade places with him (or any other person working face time in the entertainment industry) in a second. If anything, black comedians (and my favorite hispanic comedian, Carlos Mencia) have a never-ending gold mine in racism.
Kind of a me too- 10 years into this career I'm anything but rich. In fact, my standard of living has gone DOWN in the last 5 years, and I've spent 2 out of those 5 years unemployed.
The problem isn't race, it's class- and nationality. Americans of any sort are very much in the unenviable position of being raised with high standard of living that can't be supported in today's global market. And that includes EVERYBODY in North America- just look at how much better off the Guatamalans and NOLA residents have been than the Pakistanis, just to name 3 natural disasters that happened in the last 3 months.
There's a great program for ARM pocketpcs called The Core Pocket Media Player. It's F/OSS and runs absolutely great. It'll play divx, mpg, wmv, mp3, ogg, asf and some more on top of it. I'd highly recommend that over the media player that comes built into windows mobile these days.
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/about
2nd reply to bring the url to the surface- it's by far the best media player for Windows CE I've seen yet, and it's open source. I've yet to see how it's playlists work- but the zoom feature alone is far in excess of WMP, it might end up my favorite media player of all time.
I started out with Beyond TV- but I was also looking for the compression WMV offers. Lossy compression to be sure, but compression all the same.
Another discussion on this very topic- includes the potential dip switch settings to get MUZAK equipment to play Red Book CDs.
The previous link led me to suspect Green Book as the format for Muzak. CD-Interactive Spec
CD-I Bridge: A program that reads Green Book Formats
So it looks to me like you have two options- fiddle with the dip switches to find a setting that will allow you to play Red Book CDs, or find a program that allows you to write CD-Interactive Green Book Format discs.
Missed the OTHER front page story, did we?
Shoutcast and Icecast are fine- but on the client side WMP? Talk about locking into an operating system!
RealNetworks StreamServer. Then you could simply write a webpage on a central server for doing such things as choosing from a centralized MP3 library, or setting another audio source through server side scripting and an IR blaster. At that point, any computer in the house with a web browser becomes an interface point for your sound server- and the local computer soundcard and speakers become the output.
A very interesting idea- and maybe evenutally when I have a 400GB hard drive on my home server, I'll do something similar.
Actually, it looks like it might- which opens up a VERY interesting possibility for me (been wanting to get rid of Comcast and go with Dish network or something else- if I had a way to do the same thing with TIVO it would be interesting).
Exactly right- I showsqueeze between 9pm-6am, and there's always 8 hours or so of TV waiting for me to copy to the flash cards or my hitachi CF harddrive in the morning.
assume a 5 day work week, that's 261 days a year at a very generous 100,000 write cycles that would be roughly 383 years of use if 100,00 is indeed reliable, and most flash manufacturers are claiming a factor of 10 to 50 larger than that which would provide a scenario of 3831 to 19,000 + years
I honestly hadn't looked into it recently- I've only had this happen with one card, and it was a very early model.
Thank you VERY much- it might also well be the answer to a friend's problem (he got a NEW Windows Mobile 2004 device, and Windows Mobile 10.0 won't play his non-DRMed content anymore- grrr). I downloaded the cabs to my little hitachi hard drive- I'll try it out on the way home tonight.
Flip your bit on the meaning of portability. I mean- able to watch my TV shows recorded after I went to sleep the night before on the train on the way in, not "portability between operating systems". Since my IPAQ has Windows Mobile in Rom and I'm not likely to reflash it with an ARM installation of Linux while I'm using it to store my entire life, portability from an OS standpoint doesn't matter to me nearly as much as the day-to-day rhythm of my life does.
Mine isn't that different- and to prove it, RTFA, SageTV and BeyondTV got similar scores from the reviewer. BeyondTV can do MPG for burning to DVDs as well- has a couple of "recommended" options that even eliminate the transcoding. And my LifeView (really, really, really cheap) TV Tuner card matches your Hauppauge PVR. To view in the living room, I too burn DVDs. But what I was talking about was *portability*, which is why I use WMVs all the time- I'm rarely near my living room, but I always have my IPAQ on me.
True enough. Switched some time ago to a Hitachi hard drive- though I still use flash memory from time to time. However, given the standard 1000 writes of a flash memory card- you could go THREE YEARS rewriting 90% of your flash memory card daily before it would wear out- and by then, I'll even be tossing away my Hitachi CF form hard drive for under $100, 4GB flash cards...
The one thing I like about Beyond TV- other than the fact that it runs just fine on obsolete hardware and an obsolete operating system- is that it produces WMV files. I believe MythTV on Linux does so as well- but TIVO fails in this regard. What do WMV files do for me? Give me two hours on the train every day to watch TV, during my commute, on my Windows Mobile IPAQ. That's five half-hour shows (once you skip the commercials) or three hour length shows- and I use the showsqueeze function to put them into a very watchable, 60MB/hr format that fits nicely onto flash cards.
How about a bit of server side scripting instead? If the requesting IP is inside China, then it's a provinence, else, it's a country, and be done with it.
Hmmm, sounds a lot like Objectivism.
The difference between distributism and objectivism is this: There's no room for selfishness in a distributist system. Because each artisan in each town has a *right* to the customers they know, as well as a right to ask the town council to levee tariffs to protect that right, markets in a distributist system are naturally limited.
The problem with this is that some things (national intersate system) can be too big for any individual to do, and possibly extremely difficult to organize a collection of people to do.
Under a distributist system, such large organizations become completely unneccessary. There's no need to move large amounts of goods or armament around the country- there are local producers to provide those needs. There's no need to move money around the nation or even have a combined national currency; each town would print it's own, and be responsible for their own welfare. Distributists were the only lefties to resist the Social Security system- they knew it was neccessary under capitalism, but they said that it was immoral in the extreme for it to be neccessary at all.
The plus side is when a disaster like Hurricane Katrina comes by, you don't have people relying on an agency like FEMA, people are prepared themselves. ($20 inflatable boat plus $80 of canned food and bottled water could keep someone going for over a month in a flood zone)
It's actually even better than that- within WALKING distance of the edge of the flood zone is a guy who makes the rubber rafts in his basement. And another one who's running a wood burning still to create clean water (he normally manfactures booze). And a third farmer selling the produce of his fields- or giving it away because he knows people who are in need.
I think what we need is for people to have spirit of objectivism/libertarianism in that they strive to be self reliant and independent while maintaining a society that ensures that everyone is able to start adulthood with a minimum level of preparation and that there is some kind of safety net to prevent productive people from falling. Of course, there is no way to establish a government like this because, peoples attitudes are personal options (for now anyway).
True enough- though a smart demagogue could take advantage of the three main facts that are now converging to make distributism possible in the United States: 1. The end of cheap energy. 2. The lack of central government services. 3. The fact that distributism is Roman Catholic and that Roman Catholics have a 25% plurality in the United States now- a voting block 62 million strong.
I think the key to taking advantage of that last is explaining it both in terms of economic science and in terms of Church Teaching- you'd still lose the Traditionalists on one side and the anti-Catholics on the other, but in a three way race you'd probably still come out ahead.
don't think mass production goes against that at all. Alvin Toffler's book 'future shock' outlined a very different mass production than most people think of; A Toffleresque mass production might very well be more like what you are looking for. Unless I misunderstood what you're getting at, or what he was getting at. It would be a continually redefining, upgrading superprocess. A mechanism of creations of pure uniqueness, addressing the needs of more and more people and leaving out fewer and fewer. Add in 'decentralization' and I think we are getting somewhere.
The problem is, the more people whose needs you address, the more you push OTHER people out of work- other people that have the *same* human dignity and right to work that you do. That's where decentralization comes in- for Toffleresque mass production to actually result in an increase in standard of living, the point shouldn't be to serve *more* people- but rather to serve *people we know*. The central point of distributism is to make human dignity and human relationships central; because artisans save their best work for the people they *know* and dare I even say *love*.
This actually does create Toffleresque mass production eventually- because there will be surpluses in some neighborhoods and shortages in others. But it won't cause the surpluses to force other people creating the same good out of business- because they have a primal right to their local customers above an outsider.
I wouldn't call this [census.gov] severe. The drop is consistent with other recessions.
Considering that the entire business cycle is just an invention of the oligarchy- I consider ANY recession severe; because it simply doesn't need to happen.
I'd still need to see a breakdown of the figures. Statistics like that are easy to fudge; for example the recent reports that the US has a zero percent savings rate are only obtained by ignoring stuff like 401k contributions.
I agree to some extent- I was kind of shocked by this figure as well. I'm still working on cooberation for it- is business debt that bad, or is it the fact that we're entirely financing the recovery on interest-only mortgages?
The millions of people buying Tivos and iPods presumably believe otherwise.
Actually- Entertainment Industry being up is a sure sign of trouble elsewhere. The largest growth for the movie industry was during the Great Depression, due to the need for people to escape from how miserable their real lives had become. More money spent on entertainment is a rotten indicator for that reason. You CAN live your entire life unemployed and stealing music from the Internet if you have a mere $100 piece of equipment- but do you want to?
My point is that we're better off now that we do have showers.
Not really- life just costs more and we have to spend more of it working. They were as happy with their lot back then as we are now- happier, because they had the hope of a whole new continent opening up. What have we got left to look forward to? Seeing the next crapy reality TV show coming out?
You can always cancel your cable and Internet service to free up cash.
Well 1/2 is good- but you can't get a job without Internet Service these days.
Now if you've taken on more debt than you can afford even after getting rid of nonessential spending then you're screwed
As the credit card companies would tell you- I can only not afford that debt because debt-to-income ratios in the United States are based on always having increasing income- and I don't. The bankruptcy rate proves I'm not alone either in that experience.
but nobody made you sign up for that interest-only loan
Except, of course, they never tell you what an interest-only loan is until they have the signature on the paper. To a certain extent- buyer beware, of course. But if we're going to go on buyer beware, then the grand majority of society would be better off bartering with their neighbors for the goods they need than paying Walton in Alabama for lower quality and worse service. It's simply not worth it having a national economy OR trade.
Myself, I'm starting at home. As we get rid of our consumer debt, we're investing in permaculture and ambient energy (it helps that when my brother bought our parent's farm, the contract requires him to share up to 1/3rd the harvest with me- as long as I either work for or pay for the harvest...now if I can only get a car that I can fuel up either in the city or on the farm, from stuff created in the city or on the farm, to make the 40 mile trip. I'm seriously thinking about exploring running cars on apple whiskey). I really think that will be key in a few years- individuals creating energy+ and food+ homes and who are willing to share with their neighbors....