I think it means that the govt collects information and resources that have value; the corporations want the govt to give the information and resouces to them so they can sell it.
He's going to find a way to overflow a buffer, root yer box or get you to download a trojaned source, install it and blindly give it root priveleges, plant a back door and stay out of sight.
The worst crackers are the one's you never hear about.
All through the years, they had gnarly cruft in their API's for backward compatability and to maintain incompatability with competitors.
Now that they have sold us a bill (hic) of goods for a while, they now want to do a 180 and sell the "fixed" OS to us again with all new "fixed" Apps. Those people who don't upgrade? They aren't Microsoft customers. They are not playing MS's game of constant upgrade cycles. They must be made to pay and dearly.
Also, wine, with it's emulation of the cruft, is becoming very usable now and high profile. Time to break it!
No doubt that finally "fixing" things is the Right Thing(tm) to do but... I don't for one minute believe they are doing it for the Right Reason(tm).
MD5's and source tarballs/binaries should be under the protection of tripwire or some other system guardian. GPG signatures are a good way of protecting things too.
But just bare MD5s are not enough. You must protect the MD5's from being modified to pass the trojans. All source and binaries available for download from a trojaned or rooted site must be considered suspect until they pass a diff on untrojaned source.
I know I'm thinking out loud here but this is how I understand the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yep. The cracker is evidently in-the-know and should be expected to know that we know. He probably also knows that we know he knows we know... you know?
I agree! I wonder if the Broadband Companies could provide Cable/xDSL/802.11 boxes with builtin multiport routers with NAT/dhcpd/Firewall/SPI etc...? Is such a thing available now?
I think that the OS should manage it's own ports as a final protection against intrusion. But, I also think that using a router/firewall piece of hardware is the first line of protection for the local net.
ISPs should just provide raw bandwidth, email, server hosting/colocation, DNS etc...
P.S. He should drill a hole at the bottom of the can so water can get out and maybe put a plastic mesh screen over the entrance to keep leaves and bugs out. But then again, that would probably double the cost of the antennae.
Ya know, you really pi$$ me off with yer attitude Kombat. Calling our leader a knuckle-dragging, war-monger foisting stupid laws, the rest of the world could give a rat's a$$ about, on an apathetic populace.
But then, you're essentially right.
Anyway, DOWN WITH WATER BASED ELECTROLYTIC CAPACITORS! RAH! RAH! RAH!
>When did Linux unseat Windows, again? I seem to >have missed out on it...
Well, it's not something that people usually shout to the neighborhood. Guy just gets a copy of Linux from somewhere, begins to goof around with it, finds out how powerful it is then next thing you know he's posting on Slashdot.
Happens alla time.
Anyway, as I said, it's a quiet revolution from many user's standpoint. They just switch to it - they don't bother to be counted.
It's, also, a gradual thing... and from my viewpoint, Linux is on the uphill slope towards that all important critical mass point in the curve.
>>Have the/. editors ever read any comic books? >>Batman is a normal guy. He just has a fancy suit >>and a lot of gadgets and training. It's no contest.
>I always thought that was his appeal. He's just a >normal human (at least physically) without the >benefit of being an alien or mutated. At his core, >he's really just a very rich vigilante.
I agree. Batman is the cerebral figure-it-out guy. He had the BatComputer that held massive information about all the criminals. The BatComputer with Batman and Robin's deductiveness spelt doom to many a villain's dastardly plans. Batman profiles his foes and uses the information against them. Having all those cool gadgets don't hurt either.
Batman's an above average physical fighter but no superman. After all, if physical power was most important for a homonid then Gorillas would rule the world.
As an aside... superman ain't exactly stupid. But, he doesn't use smarts as his main weapon; he has more than once gone into a fight uninformed and almost paid the ultimate price for it. Lex Luthor, a normal(?) human almost killed Superman just by using his brain and a chunk of Kryptonite.
extension of the real world. It is a way of extending presence globally.
Now, with that in mind, we have a kind of Virtual Estate rather than Real Estate. The addresses are virtual and, at this time, under control of a corporate entity. Is the public to have no representation in this new land?
We need to make sure that the taxes levied by this controlling entity be used for maintenance. Such maintenance should include root servers for DNS, the DNS lists themselves, administrative tasks, domain name arbitration, security for the DNS system and maybe even some infrastructure.
Probably should make it a United Nations venture.
This getting rid of the public overseers at ICANN is just an indication that things are going the other way - fast.
>There are certain situations where things do not >need to change, and are best left unchanged.
I agree. That is why I suggested an analysis before going into a development cycle.
If it works then don't fix it. However, if it works but just barely then you may be able to get better results (i.e. save on costs) by fixing it.
For example: You have an early COBOL program running on an old UNIVAC. The tubes cost plenty and pop all the time. The app was written by a guy who died 10 years ago of old age. It's hard to find the reel to reel tapes or the replacement unit to mount em. For what it costs to keep the machine running each month, you could buy a really decent piece of server hardware and wire all the computers in your company with CAT 5 and go 100mb/s ethernet.
I know this is a highly exaggerated example but you get the idea.
As for the QB program, you might have trouble finding the runtime for it these days. Is it still included in the newer versions of Windows/DOS? What about vbrun300.dll?
Bottom line: There comes a point where the cost of upgrading to a new system is alot less than the costs of continuing with an old system.
>> That's all well and good, but you have to get TO L1 FROM the Earth or low Earth Orbit, or the Moon before you can enjoy the benefits of a low energy launch.
Wouldn't getting your launch ship there in the first place, nullify any benefits of relaunching from there?
Well, if you are putting a ship together in space, like the ISS, then it is worthwhile. You send up pieces that get assembled in the low gravity and then *launch* from the low gravity point. You save energy by not having to break out of LEO with such a large vehicle. Otherwise, the vehicle will have to provide it's own propulsion for the breaking away - a costly proposition.
Think of getting to L1 as storing kinetic energy in the components of the vehicle. After construction, launch can entail causing the craft to drift toward the sun to use the slingshot effect for accelleration. After the craft is accellerated, onboard propulsion can be used to provide the extra impetus to extend the curve of the orbit to the point where the craft will end up at a predetermined solar destination.
I'm sure that 10 year old piece of software is fully depreciated by now.
It's probably running on a platform that is less than efficient by today's standards AND probably needs a little bit of analysis to simplify it's procedures.
Do a Cost Benefit Analysis to see if upgrading that 10 year old piece of software might end up saving money. Saving money over it's lifespan compared to the current app.
7 years in one Starfleet Battles Game? Yikes! And I figured my week of doing a StarBase assalt with a friend was pushing it.
Now, I'm reduced to playing Interplay's interesting but somewhat lacking StarFleet Command Orion Pirates. It's almost but not quite what SFB was.
Just wait till I get you in the sights of my Andromedan Mauler my friend. You will wish you were somewhere else.
As for Everquest, I played that game for at least 2 full years. Very immersive, very nice - I just hate Lady Vox though... she sux... can't kill her... she wont die! Die dangit! Jeez.
Oh sorry... got a little carried away there. EVAC!
>Actually, it is completely knowable. It's just >impossible to relay that information outside the >event horizon.
What about this Quantum communication idea. You know, the one where one quantum part or something will cause an equal change in it's twin quantum part no matter distance. Would these quantum parts not communicate across the event horizon?
I'm no physics major... I specialise in computers but methinks this quantum thing has much promise.
some shows like McGuyver and some movies like The Eraser violations of the DMCA?
I mean, they could use the techniques explained in the shows to circumvent security.
Does the "No citizens of the USA" also include members of government and the armed forces?
CDrom burners, modems, network cards/networks, routers, the Internet could all be construed as contributing to the security problem. Heck, a car could be used as a tool to move sensitive material... is the auto mfg responsible because someone broke into the car?
Is posting a bunch of what-if ideas a violation of the DMCA?
OH MY GOD! I just heard a loud knock at the door...
and I understand that it's hard to contain yourself when such comical activities are undertaken by big players. (I doubt if I could have kept quiet.:) But, there are unwritten rules of conduct; Judge T.P. Jackson appears to have broken some of them.
We're all human. Let's just not give the litigants even a shred of material with which to question important decisions.
What you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Unfortunately, Judges are held to a higher standard of *prudence* than the common man.
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I think it means that the govt collects information and resources that have value; the corporations want the govt to give the information and resouces to them so they can sell it.
What do you think?
He's going to find a way to overflow a buffer, root yer box or get you to download a trojaned source, install it and blindly give it root priveleges, plant a back door and stay out of sight.
The worst crackers are the one's you never hear about.
they need to stay incompatible.
All through the years, they had gnarly cruft in their API's for backward compatability and to maintain incompatability with competitors.
Now that they have sold us a bill (hic) of goods for a while, they now want to do a 180 and sell the "fixed" OS to us again with all new "fixed" Apps. Those people who don't upgrade? They aren't Microsoft customers. They are not playing MS's game of constant upgrade cycles. They must be made to pay and dearly.
Also, wine, with it's emulation of the cruft, is becoming very usable now and high profile. Time to break it!
No doubt that finally "fixing" things is the Right Thing(tm) to do but... I don't for one minute believe they are doing it for the Right Reason(tm).
I agree.
Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death." For me, nothing has changed. I still believe what he said.
If we let our liberties and rights be eroded in the name of "Security" then we are nothing more than prisoners in a cage - living dead men.
Just have a look at the dialogue of the Founding Fathers for all the inspiration you'll need. Let us not destroy what they built.
MD5's and source tarballs/binaries should be under the protection of tripwire or some other system guardian. GPG signatures are a good way of protecting things too.
But just bare MD5s are not enough. You must protect the MD5's from being modified to pass the trojans. All source and binaries available for download from a trojaned or rooted site must be considered suspect until they pass a diff on untrojaned source.
I know I'm thinking out loud here but this is how I understand the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong.
P.S. Time to get a good packet sniffer!
Yep. The cracker is evidently in-the-know and should be expected to know that we know. He probably also knows that we know he knows we know... you know?
>No, ISPs should NOT be blocking ANY ports.
I agree! I wonder if the Broadband Companies could provide Cable/xDSL/802.11 boxes with builtin multiport routers with NAT/dhcpd/Firewall/SPI etc...? Is such a thing available now?
I think that the OS should manage it's own ports as a final protection against intrusion. But, I also think that using a router/firewall piece of hardware is the first line of protection for the local net.
ISPs should just provide raw bandwidth, email, server hosting/colocation, DNS etc...
I love it!~
:)
The feed-can really *IS* a tin can.
P.S. He should drill a hole at the bottom of the can so water can get out and maybe put a plastic mesh screen over the entrance to keep leaves and bugs out. But then again, that would probably double the cost of the antennae.
>This would effectively reduce the shipping distance
:)
>between Europe and Asia by 6800 miles compared to
>the route using the Panama canal."
It'll prolly flood the ports too.
Ya know, you really pi$$ me off with yer attitude Kombat. Calling our leader a knuckle-dragging, war-monger foisting stupid laws, the rest of the world could give a rat's a$$ about, on an apathetic populace.
But then, you're essentially right.
Anyway, DOWN WITH WATER BASED ELECTROLYTIC CAPACITORS! RAH! RAH! RAH!
P.S. I think the NET has popped a few caps today.
>When did Linux unseat Windows, again? I seem to
>have missed out on it...
Well, it's not something that people usually shout to the neighborhood. Guy just gets a copy of Linux from somewhere, begins to goof around with it, finds out how powerful it is then next thing you know he's posting on Slashdot.
Happens alla time.
Anyway, as I said, it's a quiet revolution from many user's standpoint. They just switch to it - they don't bother to be counted.
It's, also, a gradual thing... and from my viewpoint, Linux is on the uphill slope towards that all important critical mass point in the curve.
Shh... now keep that a secret ok?
>>Have the /. editors ever read any comic books?
>>Batman is a normal guy. He just has a fancy suit
>>and a lot of gadgets and training. It's no contest.
>I always thought that was his appeal. He's just a
>normal human (at least physically) without the
>benefit of being an alien or mutated. At his core,
>he's really just a very rich vigilante.
I agree. Batman is the cerebral figure-it-out guy. He had the BatComputer that held massive information about all the criminals. The BatComputer with Batman and Robin's deductiveness spelt doom to many a villain's dastardly plans. Batman profiles his foes and uses the information against them. Having all those cool gadgets don't hurt either.
Batman's an above average physical fighter but no superman. After all, if physical power was most important for a homonid then Gorillas would rule the world.
As an aside... superman ain't exactly stupid. But, he doesn't use smarts as his main weapon; he has more than once gone into a fight uninformed and almost paid the ultimate price for it. Lex Luthor, a normal(?) human almost killed Superman just by using his brain and a chunk of Kryptonite.
extension of the real world. It is a way of extending presence globally.
Now, with that in mind, we have a kind of Virtual Estate rather than Real Estate. The addresses are virtual and, at this time, under control of a corporate entity. Is the public to have no representation in this new land?
We need to make sure that the taxes levied by this controlling entity be used for maintenance. Such maintenance should include root servers for DNS, the DNS lists themselves, administrative tasks, domain name arbitration, security for the DNS system and maybe even some infrastructure.
Probably should make it a United Nations venture.
This getting rid of the public overseers at ICANN is just an indication that things are going the other way - fast.
>> "go postal"
Is this a pun?
>There are certain situations where things do not
>need to change, and are best left unchanged.
I agree. That is why I suggested an analysis before going into a development cycle.
If it works then don't fix it. However, if it works but just barely then you may be able to get better results (i.e. save on costs) by fixing it.
For example:
You have an early COBOL program running on an old UNIVAC. The tubes cost plenty and pop all the time. The app was written by a guy who died 10 years ago of old age. It's hard to find the reel to reel tapes or the replacement unit to mount em. For what it costs to keep the machine running each month, you could buy a really decent piece of server hardware and wire all the computers in your company with CAT 5 and go 100mb/s ethernet.
I know this is a highly exaggerated example but you get the idea.
As for the QB program, you might have trouble finding the runtime for it these days. Is it still included in the newer versions of Windows/DOS? What about vbrun300.dll?
Bottom line:
There comes a point where the cost of upgrading to a new system is alot less than the costs of continuing with an old system.
>>
That's all well and good, but you have to get TO L1 FROM the Earth or low Earth Orbit, or the Moon before you can enjoy the benefits of a low energy launch.
Wouldn't getting your launch ship there in the first place, nullify any benefits of relaunching from there?
Well, if you are putting a ship together in space, like the ISS, then it is worthwhile. You send up pieces that get assembled in the low gravity and then *launch* from the low gravity point. You save energy by not having to break out of LEO with such a large vehicle. Otherwise, the vehicle will have to provide it's own propulsion for the breaking away - a costly proposition.
Think of getting to L1 as storing kinetic energy in the components of the vehicle. After construction, launch can entail causing the craft to drift toward the sun to use the slingshot effect for accelleration. After the craft is accellerated, onboard propulsion can be used to provide the extra impetus to extend the curve of the orbit to the point where the craft will end up at a predetermined solar destination.
Ok, I got to page two and hadda stop. He started in with the big sigma and I lost it.
Hehe... gotta go back and get my advanced trigonometry and calculus credits.
I'm sure that 10 year old piece of software is fully depreciated by now.
It's probably running on a platform that is less than efficient by today's standards AND probably needs a little bit of analysis to simplify it's procedures.
Do a Cost Benefit Analysis to see if upgrading that 10 year old piece of software might end up saving money. Saving money over it's lifespan compared to the current app.
Jeezus man!
7 years in one Starfleet Battles Game? Yikes! And I figured my week of doing a StarBase assalt with a friend was pushing it.
Now, I'm reduced to playing Interplay's interesting but somewhat lacking StarFleet Command Orion Pirates. It's almost but not quite what SFB was.
Just wait till I get you in the sights of my Andromedan Mauler my friend. You will wish you were somewhere else.
As for Everquest, I played that game for at least 2 full years. Very immersive, very nice - I just hate Lady Vox though... she sux... can't kill her... she wont die! Die dangit! Jeez.
Oh sorry... got a little carried away there. EVAC!
then try this one:
Giant's Star
It's part of a very interesting series of novels.
While booting:
Keyboard error - press any key to continue...
While running Access:
Error 0: There is no message for this error.
>The punishment should be that she really is forced
>to switch from the Mac to Windows XP.
NO! NO! She should confess publicly that she really uses a Mac!
i.e. Apple should pay for the add and give her the new Mac.
What a coup.
>Actually, it is completely knowable. It's just
>impossible to relay that information outside the
>event horizon.
What about this Quantum communication idea. You know, the one where one quantum part or something will cause an equal change in it's twin quantum part no matter distance. Would these quantum parts not communicate across the event horizon?
I'm no physics major... I specialise in computers but methinks this quantum thing has much promise.
some shows like McGuyver and some movies like The Eraser violations of the DMCA?
I mean, they could use the techniques explained in the shows to circumvent security.
Does the "No citizens of the USA" also include members of government and the armed forces?
CDrom burners, modems, network cards/networks, routers, the Internet could all be construed as contributing to the security problem. Heck, a car could be used as a tool to move sensitive material... is the auto mfg responsible because someone broke into the car?
Is posting a bunch of what-if ideas a violation of the DMCA?
OH MY GOD! I just heard a loud knock at the door...
and I understand that it's hard to contain yourself when such comical activities are undertaken by big players. (I doubt if I could have kept quiet. :) But, there are unwritten rules of conduct; Judge T.P. Jackson appears to have broken some of them.
We're all human. Let's just not give the litigants even a shred of material with which to question important decisions.
What you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Unfortunately, Judges are held to a higher standard of *prudence* than the common man.