You forgot to mention that Bill Gates has made it well known that Microsoft will not create new software releases to fix anything; new software releases exist to only create new functionality that is compelling enough to drive sales.
I am amazed that M$ issues patches, since there is no dollar return on the investment. The only thing I can figure is the M$ legal department (rightly) determined that it is cheaper than fighting a class action lawsuit.
The only interests a corporation has are the interests of the corporation. There are no major 'kind hearted' companies - every decision is run by accounting and the legal department before a penny is released.
As long as people buy-in to these systems then things will continue to suck. Those brave souls that break free and find other motives and means have my eternal respect.
Encryption and pgp digital signatures would come to your rescue in the case where a virus is spoofing you.
If you only send encrypted email, along with a digitial signature, there is no way in hell a virus is going to be able to spoof an authentic email from you.
I wish everyone would go to PGP encrypted email. It would make alot of these stupid things disappear overnight.
Someone needs to build a distributed IM that works
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I think we need to move to a distributed IM architecture on free software. This way, everyone owns (their) piece of the pie, and no one company can control who accesses it.
The interesting thing about the crackdown on distributed systems (napster for example), is its exposure of how these large companies are evolving to gain/maintain control over what we have access to, and how we access it. The more their grasp slips, the more harsh thier attempts to force people to stay.
Microsoft, for one, has made no bones about wanting to manufacture the entertainment and information equipment, control access to entertainment, information and games, and become ubiquitous in every household.
They will succeed if they can force people to buy their systems by breaking interoperability with the free systems out there. This is just a variation on what they have been doing with their software for years.
I'm writing this on my Slackware box. I also have a Redhat server, and my daughter's workstation is a Redhat machine. I use Red Hat for two reasons: 1. A project I am on at work uses Red Hat, and 2. I didn't have time to fiddle around with the things in Slackware, that work out of the box in the Red Hat distro (particularly when you are doing desktop services for your family).
I did find Red Hat limiting for my own applications - and I prefered the way Slackware handles configurations, more 'unix - like'. Since 1994 I have used many different distros, including Turbo Linux, Gentoo, Mandrake, Linux Pro, Suse, Debian, and Knoppix. Over the years I always keep coming back to Slackware (although I use Knoppix as a recovery/utility disk at times - due to its ease of use).
If I had unlimited money and time, I would run Slackware on a standard fast motherboard/peripheral setup, that I would tune and lock down configs on, and all of the 'chrome' stuff my daughter likes (what's a "shell" Dad!?) would be tweaked out for her and my wife.
Unfortunately, I work on computers all day (configs, programming, troubleshooting, consulting on system admin issues - you name it), and have neither the time nor the energy to do it 'right' at home. So my menagerie of computers of various makes, models, ages and operating systems will have to suffice until that day I win the lottery, find out I have a rich uncle who left me his estate, or sell the great American novel...
I think a judge and jury would have a hard time convicting someone of copyright violation for having one backup copy of their software.
Secondly, If you are serious about off-site storage for your precious apps, then I doubt the DMCA Nazis would waste the time or money to track down your safe deposit box to find those single backups - of dubious legal use anyway.
On the other hand, if you have a factory of burners going, and are pumping out hundreds of copies of various titles, and selling them to your friends, family and acquaintences, then I don't think you have a leg to stand on.
However, there is a murky grey area of this: those guys who are building MOD chips and selling them. My question is, since this is reverse engineered, combined with original work, shouldn't that be considered non-infringing? How is someone modding an Xbox to make it run Linux, for example, infringing on the rights of Microsoft? Did they have a plan to produce just such a chip, and have valuable patent rights nullified and lose sales? If not, then what is the real motivation? It really comes down to control.
External remote control of what we can see and do with an Xbox (just using as an example) is only one step closer to remotely controlling all of the entertainment, communications, and information available to each one of us. Is this control benevolent? Or, will this control serve the purposes of the controlling corporation(s), and censor things that are disagreable to them?
If you didn't create the software yourself, you should at least have the sources available so you can peruse the code and see what it is really doing.
If you build your software from source that you can view, you can be absolutely sure of two things:
1. There are no backdoors or spyware in the code.
2. The code is not proprietary (I haven't seen any companies deliver sourcecode in years - unless it was for some closed system where joint ownership between two companies was the operating practive. For consumer software, it all comes in binary format, even for Unices), so you have the option of modifying it as necessary.
Even if you don't have the time to scan all of your programs before hand, having the sources available is an excellent tool for tracking down glitches - or 'spyware' activity (if your firewall detects outgoing traffic to particular IP addresses on particular ports, you can grep for these things in the program and figure out what the app is doing quicker than depending on the 900 number for 'Tech Support'...)
The human race has survived ice ages, and times when the sea level was higher. The only thing that would put our survival in jeopardy is if we obscure sunlight from reaching the surface on a consistent basis, or conversly allow solar radiation levels to rise beyond survival levels for plant cells. Either way if the basis of the ecosystem dies, then we die.
On the other hand, if we have an episode that raises water levels and wreaks havoc amoung the population by changing weather patterns - and we can gather clear scientific data that shows that we did it to ourselves, then maybe we will be able to move the government toward reform in this arena (I don't hold any hope of getting corporations to do anything of their own accord).
Once we know the effects of climate change, we will have more ammunition to use. That is all I think we can hope for, given political expedience.
Microsoft needs to start living by the 10 commandments:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's information.
Thou shalt not hold any OS above the one true POSIX Compliant OS
Thou shalt not worship graven languages, like Visual Basic, C#, or Cobol.
Thou shalt not spread pestulence, disease, or internet worms in general.
Thou shalt keep the backup day and make it holy.
Thou shalt regression test agressively, for this is the way to heaven.
Thou shalt patch frequently, and tithe heavily for every bug that is found.
Thou shalt not let marketroids and suits guide your projects; this is the path to perdition.
Thou shalt share thy computer science knowledge freely with all those who grok; for all others: RTFM and FAQ.
Thou shalt not use proprietary standards, in all its cloven forms; just as Eve was seduced by the fork tongued devil, so too will you be expelled from the raised floor of the data center for your transgressions.
I was up until midnight loading software...and loaded the security patches from the Microsloth web site...
Interestingly, I found the registry link to the msblast.exe not in the directory listed, but in SOFTWARE\ACJM\5204 - something along those lines (my spelling could be off).
I would suggest doing a search on 'msblast.exe' in the registry to make sure you don't get a mutation.
Just bought my wife a new XP machine - because she has been having issues with the crappy linux boxes I have given her [300mhz should be fast enough for anyone...](all of my machines are Linux - daughter has an old win98 and a linux box on kvm).
She complained that her computer was shutting down all day - get this, I don't have any ports enabled on my router - its closed tighter than duck's ass.
So, I'm sitting there, and she decides to turn her machine back on - a few minutes later....BAM...my whole DSL network goes down.
So, not making the cause and effect connection, I call my local phone company. They are able to ping my DSL modem. So they go through the motions, and get me to hook up my XP machine to the network directly through the DSL modem...friggin' brilliant. I hook it up, and...BAM! again... This time its an 'RPC' call error - 'shutting system down' message. Crap. I shut the system down and pull it completely off the network.
I then check my linksys router - everything on it is reset to the defaults...everything. No ppoe settings, no password [its set to the default] - nada, nothing, zip.
I reset everything, and up comes my network - thats when I browse on over to/. and see this post about the worm. I do a little forensics and find the c:\winnt\system32\msblast.exe, and c:\winnt\system32\pre[a-Z*]\msblast.exe.23oiu4i734 - I assume the pftp scratch file. Son-of-a-bitch.
I also look for the registry entry to restart the worm - but don't find it (so far, so good). I delete the scratch file ok, but the msblast.exe file will not delete (the system says the wheel user isn't authorized - what kind of Mickey-Mouse operating system is this!!?)
I want to know: 1. how to clean this up? 2. how the hell did this thing ZAP my Linksys with all the ports disabled? 3. where the hell can I get my $99 back for this bogus operating system?
Unfortunately, those thoughts were not heeded, and here we are with a military-industrial-congressional complex that has usurped our basic freedoms for some, as yet, unfathomable purpose.
George Orwell's '1984' is looking more like an essay on the current administration, than a work of fiction.
We can not sit back and assume the 'good 'ole USA' will keep on working the way it should without our input. Every moment is a struggle to make government a right and just vehicle, against those who would pervert it for their own ends.
We can start by getting our butts out to the polls and voting out the second rate hacks, the pork barrel politicians, and the paternal power mongers - and putting into place people who honestly want to do the right thing.
"...I do have the wit to realise it's a touchy subject in science."
Science doesn't get reality right a good precentage of the time; of course, this is just brushed under the carpet as 'statistical anomalies' where it doesn't fit a particular neatly held concept of how the system being measured works - and the simple act of measuring it can change the thing you intend to measure anyway.
Reality is not black and white - locked like ice crystals in a frozen pond. Reality is a constantly changing and evolving mess - that will usually change at the very point where we think we have it locked down. Reality is Murphy's Law in action.
The ultimate hubris is to think you know, without a shred of doubt, how anything really is. Murphy usually has a way of deflating our ego at that point; if we are lucky it doesn't involve the death of anyone.
Everything is just a rough approximation, hence the abandonment of my parent's myopic view of race, religeon, and the primacy of man's scientific control over mother nature. My life is an attempt to suck less than my parents. So far, so good.
I think of email more akin to UPS or FEDEX than snailmail.
Packages are carefully wrapped and sent (semi-expensively) from door to door. 99% of the shipment are the result of both parties previously agreeing to the transaction. When was the last time you received unsolicited packages from UPS?
We need a similar system for our electronic 'packages' to break the spammers.
A better solution, in my mind, is to design an encrypted access control system for email - such that I give unique public keys to people I want to receive email from. "Public key" is really a misnomer - each person would have a unique public key that is theirs only - my email system would manage users based on the public key they have been assigned. All email to me would be encrypted using these public keys, and decrypted using the private keys I keep on my system.
The beauty of this is twofold:
1. No more unsolicited email - anything that is not properly encrypted with one of my public keys is dropped in the bit bucket.
2. If someone I previously trusted abuses the system - or if their public key is compromised, I can cut them off: simply remove their public key from the list.
The best way to hit the spammers is in the pocketbook; if their spam doesn't get through to an audience, then they get no money - and spamming will simply dry up. A widespread public-private/private key system would make it impossible to get spam into anyone's mailbox.
The drawback is that you will need to establish connections with people in other venues than email - which might not be a bad idea anyway.
The humor in Futurama is too intellectual (aside from the Bender beer drinking jokes, and the insipid stupidity of Fry) for your average viewing public, hence its decline into the dustbin of the airwaves (TVLand).
I, too, feel that lowering the barrier to entry introduces too much entropy into the system.
My suggestion:
Build a system that allows a user to start a discussion group that has both a public - unencrypted - and a private - encrypted - component. Think of the public piece as the 'foyer' or 'mud room', a place to greet newbies and escort them into the inner sanctum of the private area. The encryption would be controlled by the group creator (pgp public/private key pairs for the group) - and thus could be completely changed if someone got out of hand (essentially showing them the door, as it were). You might even have seperate key pairs for each user, such that you could selectively 'turn off' access to one person without effecting the rest of the group.
Of course, this could be abused by the group creator; however, people would vote with their feet if he got too much of a power trip going, and he would end up talking to himself in an empty forum.
I think the good would outweigh any bad you could think of - and discussions would once again contain useful information or interesting topics, instead of drivel. The group could sit in peace, while the storm rages outside, or they could choose to brave the storm to bring in new blood as they desire.
Of course M$ is going to 'see what they can do and how they can do it' - extend and embrace linux standards so their OS won't inter-operate, even less than it does now.
Bravo! Mark another one up on the ledger board for the boys from Redmond...they really know how to make the world a better place.
Greed does not equal innovation, as much as Balmer and Gates would have you believe.
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I inherited some assorted gear that my daughter decided she did not want anymore (she got other gear to replace it):
1. RCA Kazoo mp3 player (usb interface)
2. Lexmark usb memory card reader.
I am just delving into trying to connect these things to my linux box, and wonder if there are any drivers out there?
Where would the best place to look for this, as well as soundcard configuration information beyond the basic howtos?
You forgot to mention that Bill Gates has made it well known that Microsoft will not create new software releases to fix anything; new software releases exist to only create new functionality that is compelling enough to drive sales.
I am amazed that M$ issues patches, since there is no dollar return on the investment. The only thing I can figure is the M$ legal department (rightly) determined that it is cheaper than fighting a class action lawsuit.
The only interests a corporation has are the interests of the corporation. There are no major 'kind hearted' companies - every decision is run by accounting and the legal department before a penny is released.
As long as people buy-in to these systems then things will continue to suck. Those brave souls that break free and find other motives and means have my eternal respect.
Encryption and pgp digital signatures would come to your rescue in the case where a virus is spoofing you.
If you only send encrypted email, along with a digitial signature, there is no way in hell a virus is going to be able to spoof an authentic email from you.
I wish everyone would go to PGP encrypted email. It would make alot of these stupid things disappear overnight.
I think we need to move to a distributed IM architecture on free software. This way, everyone owns (their) piece of the pie, and no one company can control who accesses it.
The interesting thing about the crackdown on distributed systems (napster for example), is its exposure of how these large companies are evolving to gain/maintain control over what we have access to, and how we access it. The more their grasp slips, the more harsh thier attempts to force people to stay.
Microsoft, for one, has made no bones about wanting to manufacture the entertainment and information equipment, control access to entertainment, information and games, and become ubiquitous in every household.
They will succeed if they can force people to buy their systems by breaking interoperability with the free systems out there. This is just a variation on what they have been doing with their software for years.
I'm writing this on my Slackware box. I also have a Redhat server, and my daughter's workstation is a Redhat machine. I use Red Hat for two reasons: 1. A project I am on at work uses Red Hat, and 2. I didn't have time to fiddle around with the things in Slackware, that work out of the box in the Red Hat distro (particularly when you are doing desktop services for your family).
I did find Red Hat limiting for my own applications - and I prefered the way Slackware handles configurations, more 'unix - like'. Since 1994 I have used many different distros, including Turbo Linux, Gentoo, Mandrake, Linux Pro, Suse, Debian, and Knoppix. Over the years I always keep coming back to Slackware (although I use Knoppix as a recovery/utility disk at times - due to its ease of use).
If I had unlimited money and time, I would run Slackware on a standard fast motherboard/peripheral setup, that I would tune and lock down configs on, and all of the 'chrome' stuff my daughter likes (what's a "shell" Dad!?) would be tweaked out for her and my wife.
Unfortunately, I work on computers all day (configs, programming, troubleshooting, consulting on system admin issues - you name it), and have neither the time nor the energy to do it 'right' at home. So my menagerie of computers of various makes, models, ages and operating systems will have to suffice until that day I win the lottery, find out I have a rich uncle who left me his estate, or sell the great American novel...
I think a judge and jury would have a hard time convicting someone of copyright violation for having one backup copy of their software.
Secondly, If you are serious about off-site storage for your precious apps, then I doubt the DMCA Nazis would waste the time or money to track down your safe deposit box to find those single backups - of dubious legal use anyway.
On the other hand, if you have a factory of burners going, and are pumping out hundreds of copies of various titles, and selling them to your friends, family and acquaintences, then I don't think you have a leg to stand on.
However, there is a murky grey area of this: those guys who are building MOD chips and selling them. My question is, since this is reverse engineered, combined with original work, shouldn't that be considered non-infringing? How is someone modding an Xbox to make it run Linux, for example, infringing on the rights of Microsoft? Did they have a plan to produce just such a chip, and have valuable patent rights nullified and lose sales? If not, then what is the real motivation? It really comes down to control.
External remote control of what we can see and do with an Xbox (just using as an example) is only one step closer to remotely controlling all of the entertainment, communications, and information available to each one of us. Is this control benevolent? Or, will this control serve the purposes of the controlling corporation(s), and censor things that are disagreable to them?
If you didn't create the software yourself, you should at least have the sources available so you can peruse the code and see what it is really doing.
If you build your software from source that you can view, you can be absolutely sure of two things:
1. There are no backdoors or spyware in the code.
2. The code is not proprietary (I haven't seen any companies deliver sourcecode in years - unless it was for some closed system where joint ownership between two companies was the operating practive. For consumer software, it all comes in binary format, even for Unices), so you have the option of modifying it as necessary.
Even if you don't have the time to scan all of your programs before hand, having the sources available is an excellent tool for tracking down glitches - or 'spyware' activity (if your firewall detects outgoing traffic to particular IP addresses on particular ports, you can grep for these things in the program and figure out what the app is doing quicker than depending on the 900 number for 'Tech Support'...)
The human race has survived ice ages, and times when the sea level was higher. The only thing that would put our survival in jeopardy is if we obscure sunlight from reaching the surface on a consistent basis, or conversly allow solar radiation levels to rise beyond survival levels for plant cells. Either way if the basis of the ecosystem dies, then we die.
On the other hand, if we have an episode that raises water levels and wreaks havoc amoung the population by changing weather patterns - and we can gather clear scientific data that shows that we did it to ourselves, then maybe we will be able to move the government toward reform in this arena (I don't hold any hope of getting corporations to do anything of their own accord).
Once we know the effects of climate change, we will have more ammunition to use. That is all I think we can hope for, given political expedience.
"...I mean that IMAP isn't bloated, and everyone can write clients that use it! There are no proprietary secret extensions! That sucks!" - wfberg
Is this a 'ha-ha! only serious', or are you for real?
90% of Micro$oft's problems stem from malformed proprietary extensions and/or standards.
I am appalled. *blink*
Microsoft needs to start living by the 10 commandments:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's information.
Thou shalt not hold any OS above the one true POSIX Compliant OS
Thou shalt not worship graven languages, like Visual Basic, C#, or Cobol.
Thou shalt not spread pestulence, disease, or internet worms in general.
Thou shalt keep the backup day and make it holy.
Thou shalt regression test agressively, for this is the way to heaven.
Thou shalt patch frequently, and tithe heavily for every bug that is found.
Thou shalt not let marketroids and suits guide your projects; this is the path to perdition.
Thou shalt share thy computer science knowledge freely with all those who grok; for all others: RTFM and FAQ.
Thou shalt not use proprietary standards, in all its cloven forms; just as Eve was seduced by the fork tongued devil, so too will you be expelled from the raised floor of the data center for your transgressions.
' The Island of Doctor Moreau ' goes global! Film at eleven...
You have to look at yourself in the mirror every morning. They don't.
You have two choices. You can call it quits, and get a new job doing something more palatable.
Or, you can continue to undermine their slimy ethics - until they fire you.
Either way, the world is a better place for having known you...
What about all the other silent worms/trojans that loaded onto your system between the time you got msblast.exe and the time you killed it?
I would reformat my NTFS partition and reload before claiming victory...
I paddle my wife, but she still insists on using Windoze.
Next time, I guess I will just let her PC sit there until she figures out how to fix it herself.
Absolutely. This is Microsoft's scheme to bankroll SCO's lawsuit...film at 11.
I was up until midnight loading software...and loaded the security patches from the Microsloth web site...
Interestingly, I found the registry link to the msblast.exe not in the directory listed, but in SOFTWARE\ACJM\5204 - something along those lines (my spelling could be off).
I would suggest doing a search on 'msblast.exe' in the registry to make sure you don't get a mutation.
I ended up doing a full install.
It really screwed up the system bad, and a restoration did not work.
May Bill Gates, and whoever released this into the wild burn in their own little private hells...
Just bought my wife a new XP machine - because she has been having issues with the crappy linux boxes I have given her [300mhz should be fast enough for anyone...](all of my machines are Linux - daughter has an old win98 and a linux box on kvm).
...BAM! again... This time its an 'RPC' call error - 'shutting system down' message. Crap. I shut the system down and pull it completely off the network.
/. and see this post about the worm. I do a little forensics and find the c:\winnt\system32\msblast.exe, and c:\winnt\system32\pre[a-Z*]\msblast.exe.23oiu4i734 - I assume the pftp scratch file. Son-of-a-bitch.
She complained that her computer was shutting down all day - get this, I don't have any ports enabled on my router - its closed tighter than duck's ass.
So, I'm sitting there, and she decides to turn her machine back on - a few minutes later....BAM...my whole DSL network goes down.
So, not making the cause and effect connection, I call my local phone company. They are able to ping my DSL modem. So they go through the motions, and get me to hook up my XP machine to the network directly through the DSL modem...friggin' brilliant. I hook it up, and
I then check my linksys router - everything on it is reset to the defaults...everything. No ppoe settings, no password [its set to the default] - nada, nothing, zip.
I reset everything, and up comes my network - thats when I browse on over to
I also look for the registry entry to restart the worm - but don't find it (so far, so good). I delete the scratch file ok, but the msblast.exe file will not delete (the system says the wheel user isn't authorized - what kind of Mickey-Mouse operating system is this!!?)
I want to know:
1. how to clean this up?
2. how the hell did this thing ZAP my Linksys with all the ports disabled?
3. where the hell can I get my $99 back for this bogus operating system?
Unfortunately, those thoughts were not heeded, and here we are with a military-industrial-congressional complex that has usurped our basic freedoms for some, as yet, unfathomable purpose.
George Orwell's '1984' is looking more like an essay on the current administration, than a work of fiction.
We can not sit back and assume the 'good 'ole USA' will keep on working the way it should without our input. Every moment is a struggle to make government a right and just vehicle, against those who would pervert it for their own ends.
We can start by getting our butts out to the polls and voting out the second rate hacks, the pork barrel politicians, and the paternal power mongers - and putting into place people who honestly want to do the right thing.
"...I do have the wit to realise it's a touchy subject in science."
Science doesn't get reality right a good precentage of the time; of course, this is just brushed under the carpet as 'statistical anomalies' where it doesn't fit a particular neatly held concept of how the system being measured works - and the simple act of measuring it can change the thing you intend to measure anyway.
Reality is not black and white - locked like ice crystals in a frozen pond. Reality is a constantly changing and evolving mess - that will usually change at the very point where we think we have it locked down. Reality is Murphy's Law in action.
The ultimate hubris is to think you know, without a shred of doubt, how anything really is. Murphy usually has a way of deflating our ego at that point; if we are lucky it doesn't involve the death of anyone.
Everything is just a rough approximation, hence the abandonment of my parent's myopic view of race, religeon, and the primacy of man's scientific control over mother nature. My life is an attempt to suck less than my parents. So far, so good.
I just wanted to add:
I think of email more akin to UPS or FEDEX than snailmail.
Packages are carefully wrapped and sent (semi-expensively) from door to door. 99% of the shipment are the result of both parties previously agreeing to the transaction. When was the last time you received unsolicited packages from UPS?
We need a similar system for our electronic 'packages' to break the spammers.
A better solution, in my mind, is to design an encrypted access control system for email - such that I give unique public keys to people I want to receive email from. "Public key" is really a misnomer - each person would have a unique public key that is theirs only - my email system would manage users based on the public key they have been assigned. All email to me would be encrypted using these public keys, and decrypted using the private keys I keep on my system.
The beauty of this is twofold:
1. No more unsolicited email - anything that is not properly encrypted with one of my public keys is dropped in the bit bucket.
2. If someone I previously trusted abuses the system - or if their public key is compromised, I can cut them off: simply remove their public key from the list.
The best way to hit the spammers is in the pocketbook; if their spam doesn't get through to an audience, then they get no money - and spamming will simply dry up. A widespread public-private/private key system would make it impossible to get spam into anyone's mailbox.
The drawback is that you will need to establish connections with people in other venues than email - which might not be a bad idea anyway.
The humor in Futurama is too intellectual (aside from the Bender beer drinking jokes, and the insipid stupidity of Fry) for your average viewing public, hence its decline into the dustbin of the airwaves (TVLand).
I, too, feel that lowering the barrier to entry introduces too much entropy into the system.
My suggestion:
Build a system that allows a user to start a discussion group that has both a public - unencrypted - and a private - encrypted - component. Think of the public piece as the 'foyer' or 'mud room', a place to greet newbies and escort them into the inner sanctum of the private area. The encryption would be controlled by the group creator (pgp public/private key pairs for the group) - and thus could be completely changed if someone got out of hand (essentially showing them the door, as it were). You might even have seperate key pairs for each user, such that you could selectively 'turn off' access to one person without effecting the rest of the group.
Of course, this could be abused by the group creator; however, people would vote with their feet if he got too much of a power trip going, and he would end up talking to himself in an empty forum.
I think the good would outweigh any bad you could think of - and discussions would once again contain useful information or interesting topics, instead of drivel. The group could sit in peace, while the storm rages outside, or they could choose to brave the storm to bring in new blood as they desire.
Of course M$ is going to 'see what they can do and how they can do it' - extend and embrace linux standards so their OS won't inter-operate, even less than it does now.
Bravo! Mark another one up on the ledger board for the boys from Redmond...they really know how to make the world a better place.
Greed does not equal innovation, as much as Balmer and Gates would have you believe.