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New Great Ape Discovered?
DrLudicrous writes "CNN is running a story about sightings of an ape in central Africa that doesn't seem to fit the description of known apes. Pictures of the animal are rare, but it seems slightly taller than most gorillas, with a flatter face. One woman even reported seeing it walk upright on two legs. It has been hypothesized that the ape might be a new species, a subspecies, or perhaps a hybrid between two other species."
This is another picture of the great ape in its natural habitat
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I wondered why CowboyNeal hasn't been showing up in the polls...he's been out camping!
Let me say that I like CN and think he should be in all the polls. This post is intended to be good natured and not mean spririted.
From the article:
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Williams and the trackers used some clever tricks to lure the mystery apes.
Pictures of the 'mystery ape' are rare because the animals are skittish and aggressive. Here a researcher captured an image from afar of one of the animals with her offspring.
"One of my trackers made the sound of a duiker, a small antelope, as if it were in pain," said Williams. Four or five of the mystery primates fell for the ruse and came running to kill it.
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I'd classify that as a stupid trick. Come on, sounding like something the animals want to kill doesn't seem clever at all methinks
If there was one, then there would of had to be thousands at the time the species was alive. It's amazing that only a piece of what could of been an entire species is ever found.
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The article didn't mention anything about how it might be considered a 'missing link'. It it is indeed its own species, this discovery will have significant anthropological rammifications. If it is just a hybrid, this discovery might not mean much.
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RMS is trekking in Africa.
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Has the good the good Dr. Jane Goodall been doing down there with all her research? Do not let the insanity continue good Doctor, leave the apes alone!
Where was Steve Ballmer when these ape videos were shot?
Here's a list of pictures of this ape compared to other species. The new ape is the one on the left.
At least that's what the National Geographic and the NPR articles conclude. It's easier to swallow than the idea of a chimp and a gorilla getting it on.
It came from space to conquer the Earth :)
they found the early ancestor of the linux programmer
I for one welcome our new ape masters.
BOO! TERRO
This guy seems to be the main researcher with these apes. Check this article.
http://karlammann.com/bondo.htmlhttp://robotics.stanford.edu/~oli/oliver.html
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Mercy. Please read the damn article, these things are still alive! Eyewitness accounts, pictures, etc. They are still fucking alive, the locals call them "Lion Eaters". Ok?
Have they taken foot casts to see if maybe they translate to the yeti casts seen previously?
maybe this is not so far fetched after all..
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that's Albert Einstein, he's been known about for at least 10 years already.
You've probably noticed that people's noses get bigger as they get older. That's because old people are huge liars.
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First of all... yuck.
If they can obtain enough cells from the poo to extract the mitochondrial DNA, why can't they PCR the rest of the DNA as well?
It must be extremely difficult to find just the cells and resulting DNA from this new ape-like creature. Poo must contain a ton of cells from all the injested material. I just don't understand why it's easier to extract the DNA from the mitochondria? Seems if you have the mitochondria... then you have the cells which should contain ALL the nuclear material.
Anyway... it's been a long time since my genetics/biochem courses.
Davak
Hopefully this will help the scientists who are crossbreeding intelligent apes in order to try and create another advanced species and uderstand how humans have evolved. Although they've increased the average ape intelligence by nearly 40% and even bread some individuals who are able to play simple games such as snap, they are unable to develop more advanced behavious such as speach and the concept of friendship.
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It might raise some interesting questions about the morality of creating these creatures if they become truely sentient though.
All that glitters has a high refractive index.
Richard Stallman is in Africa, it might be him.
Anybody else notice he looks like the Comic Book Guy?
Those are not a new type of ape, they where SCO executives all along! P.S. No offense to the ape family.
If you outlaw the law, only criminals will have laws
That wasn't Monroe -- that was Stephen Jay Gould playing himself!
"..just what I was looking for.. a species that was still not killed by my cold, dead hands.." ..prepare the Rolls.. we are heading for afrika (again)."
"James!
[walks off the stage] with his shiny new sub-machine gun. Loaded but not released, yet.
How about hybrid gorilla/human or chimp/human?
Foto here.
No it wasn't.
You're thinking of the episode "Lisa the Skeptic" (ep. 908 5F05, original airdate: 11/23/97).
BOO! TERRO
George Bush has been switched with an ape by a mistake during his recent trip to Africa explained the State Department today. They have all been wondering for some time why the president shaves every six hours.
The "real president" was discovered by a CIA expedition which was able to locate the president by using an ultra-sensiteve sound recorder to match the sounds in the jungle with his distinctive sounds "terrorist, daddy, oil"
Of course they hoot when the moon rises and sets - dont YOU?? I know I do!! ALL of us great apes hoot at any given stimulus - I even hoot when the ads start during will and grace!
Hell, just read the fucking blurb.
It seems like the latest trend is:
1) Read the Headline
2) Speculate wildly about what the story could possibly be
3) Profit?
Mpeg video evidence of the of the ape has been floating around the web since the mid 70's.
I mean, ghod, at least have *some* clue of what the story is even about before you bless us with your interpretation.
Don't show me some new ape, then claim you had trouble with your camera. Those pictures are horrible. What are those from a satellite???
Sorry, I am just not buying it. This is 2004 and that lame ass picture that I can't tell WTH its showing is your best?
go away.
Someone's going to talk about how this may be the "missing link," right? What if there IS no missing link between apes and humans. You DO think there is more to life than simple adaptation...
if it eats meat it's probably dangerous. ...
... "following it around for several hours" and still no decent picture c|:-(
maybe it aet all the scientiscts that discovered it before
and: what a useless picture
Shucks, more of these monkeys means more American jobs lost to outsourcing. Heck, even Indian coders can barely compete with this new programming paradigm (I looked up the dictionary before posting).
WTF???
Maybe? There are debates that the apes SIV jumped to human in several ways. Some say that hunters who eat apes (and it was a bloody work) catched it and spread into the world. Other say that people who implated apes `balls' spread it. Maybe the examination of the `new' specie will tell us something. But I don't have much hopes...
i just see a fatass in that pic.
This reminds me of the Bigfoot hoax here in Canada. The guy who started it all, finally on his Deathbed told everyone how he started it. When will people realize, that a bunch of blurry pictures don't constitute proof. I'll wait for DNA tests on a live creature.
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Take note how it says "One of my trackers made the sound". It makes no mention of how far away the researcher was. The natural scientific explaination is that the trackers are expendible and easily replaced.
This hypothisis was demonstrated beatifully in the old "Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom" shows when I was a kid. The host would always be standing well out of range of the king cobra while saying "Now watch as my assistant charms the snake using body motions".
Thanks to google here is another picture.i mationart/ hannabarbera/grapeape.jpg
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...we need to ask the question has Bush been to Africa recently? ;-)
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Compare this to the search for "bigfoot".
Here we have skulls, pictures, etc of this elusive animal. All shortly (relatively) after the start of the search.
It's interesting to see real scientists at work here,rather than the less than skeptical cryptologist who have nothing more than some faked/mis-identified footprints and a couple eyewitness reports. Even though they have been searching for what, 50 years?
Be interesting how many documentaries on this new species get put on the Discovery Channel. Sadly, I think that the bigfoot documentaries will get alot more air time.
Sigh....
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While you all joke about how it's CowboyNeal, SCO, or RMS, I seem to be the only one to know its true identity. It's clearly Bigfoot.
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I was a bit curious as to the reason why there seems to be no speculation about this "giant ape" being a chimpanzee/human hybrid. Of course, humans have a different number of chromosomes than the other great apes, but that in itself doesn't seem to be an absolute bar to cross-breeding. The answer seems to be in this article, where it basically says that human DNA has a number of chromosomal "inversions" with respect to chimpanzee DNA, and those inversions would lead to cross-breeding sterility.
There are two kinds of people: 1) those who start arrays with one and 1) those who start them with zero.
I presume the term "new species" means one that homo sapiens sapiens has not yet discovered and put on the menu. Theorising this to be a "hybrid" is simply fantastic speculation: Occam's razor suggests that it's a relative of the species already known, and given the description of the flat face, it would be a large chimpanzee.
If this is not a hoax, it will probably be found that local people know of the species and consider them to be "men of the forest" or whatever. Second prediction: the unfortunate animals will rapidly end up on the "bushmeat" menu of those freaks who enjoy eating the flesh of near-human species such as gorillas and chimpanzees. Third prediction: the study of the giant chimp (if that it is) will be limited to skulls, thighbones, and the occasional skin, with the wild population extinct and maybe one or two sad individuals "liberated" and stuck in zoo prisons.
Central Africa has two species of gorilla and three subspecies of chimpanzee, and large chimpanzee individuals are not unknown. So it's most likely this is another chimpanzee subspecies that has adopted gorilla habits (such as sleeping on the ground) simply because it's too large to nest in trees.
We should be treating these near-human cousin species with respect, but it seems that chimpanzees and gorillas are of most interest to humans because they are edible.
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One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
He doesn't bow to the "software should be free as in fredom" mentality. So what? Just because you don't agree doesn't make the guy a troll.
A gorilla and a chimp getting it on together would be real monkey business!
Haven't seen it, but I heard that there was also a documentary made on the subject.
More than mere navel gazing.
By the choice of words, obviously they were too conceited to admit the truth: They had discovered the famous Monkey's Uncle.
If one of those species happens to be homo sapien and the other species happens to not be, I think that will be the grossest transpiration in the research of evolution that will ever take place.
I mean DAMN! That would be so not cool on so many levels!
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Oliver surfaced in the early 1970s, when he was acquired as a baby by trainers Frank and Janet Burger whose dog, chimp, pony and pig acts were once regularly featured on the Ed Sullivan Show, at Radio City Music Hall, and once even by dancer Gene Kelly. "He came in from Africa with three other chimps that one of Frank's brothers had sent over from the Congo. But this one we could never use. He was odd and the other chimps would have nothing to do with him,'' recalled Janet Burger, 69. But if Oliver was strange in appearance, and was shunned by other chimps, his intelligence and personality were also quite different from the other apes in the Burgers' entourage. "You could send him on chores. He would take the wheelbarrow and empty the hay and straw from the stalls. And when it was time to feed the dogs, he would get the pans, and mix the dog food for me. I'd get it ready and he'd mix it,'' she said. As he grew older, Oliver also acquired habits normally enjoyed only by humans, including a cup of coffee and a nightcap. "This guy, Oliver, he enjoyed sitting down at night and having a drink, and watching television. He'd mix his own. He'd pour a shot of whiskey and put some Seven-Up in there, stir it and drink it,'' she recalled.
Big, rare, non gorrilla in africa? Looks like Burroughs was right after all...
(10 points if you get the reference)
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They found my roommate's family.
Clearly it's the mythical Mediumfoot known to tramp around the forests of Africa
That's just RMS on his tour of Africa, pushing the tao of GNU to opressed apes everywhere, forced to use a Windows powered black obelisk instead of the GNU/Linux GNU/Obelisk.
Is this the same 'great' ape who's trying to extort linux users?
Posts should be moderated, not people.
Novell T-Shirt?
Well instead of tracking this thing - We have the Chimps and apes - Try to cross breed em.
Ever hear of the Mule? It's a crossbreed of a horse and a donkey.
I think it would be a valid experiment to actually SEE if this was possible.
For the previous poster that mentioned it might be a chimp/human crossbreed..
Ewwwww.
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
"It has been hypothesized that the ape might be a new species, a subspecies, or perhaps a hybrid between two other species."
Maybe Hillary Rosen and Jack Valenti?
Just what I was thinking.
Dance monkey boy!
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the great apes know how to speak but remain silent, else they'll be put to work.
or something like that.
I've often wondered why people seem to think that since we've come into being, everything else should remain the same. Global warming? Hmmm, let's look at earth history and see that ice ages and global warmings happen with or without us. Changes in some animals? Hmmm, let's look at the paleontological record and see that species come and go and change - with or without us. Air pollution? Hmmm, Mt. St. Helen put more garbage in the air than the entire history of mankind. The earth doesn't care, people. It continues on - with us or without us.
Cnn.com flunked basic biology..
hybrids only apply to plants not mamals!
if the eye witness reports of it wlaking upright in human stnace are ture not bow legged stance as in chimps and apes its not an ap but may be a lonmg los homid..
Apes are vegtarian..chimps and homids and humans are not..
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The trackers use their great knowledge of animal sounds to secretly negotiate with those animals into letting them (ie trackers) go for the price of a few (expendable) researchers.
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Alright, who's been having sex with gorillas?
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It has repeatedly been spotted walking upright...
Actually, that is a cousin of the great ape. Here's the real one.
If it was anyone other than ape researchers, they would have been laughed at. Given the fact that they have access to real apes, I don't think their evidence is any more solid than the various bigfoot/yeti/etc. sightings around the world. Eg. instead of a guy in an ape suit, you take a picture of a gorilla from a weird angle; same with the skulls, dung, etc.
On the other hand, if they do find something real, it will be used to support the claims of crackpot bigfoot-hunters everywhere. If they could miss an entire species in africa for so long, why not elsewhere? Either way, get ready for ape-hoax field day in the near future...
"She'll camouflage her skin because the animals have not seen light-skinned humans."
Oh come now, if they have never seen white people, they won't know that, "they come to take your land".
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
The picture in the article sucks, you can find one that looks much better in National Geographic website.
Sigs are for morons... Wait a minute...
Nah, that's just a Ferengi in the gorilla suit!
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Am I the only one who sees this as a possiblity as another candidate for California Governor?
Tarzan was a good man and a great ape.
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
but I hear it is running for governor of California.
Here!. Oh wait, you said GREAT ape.
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Okay, Guisseppi, I do the gorrilla. Under two conditions. One, no-one'd a better know, and the children? They got-ta be raised a Catholic. (read in a stereotype Italian immigrant accent for better effect).
(There is no truth to the rumour that Marlin Perkins was found poked to death.)
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Bigfoot, Lochness Monster ...? ...
Seems like everyone wants their own fantasy creatures now
are they sure they know where Gene Simmons is? There's a few other upright-walking apes that I would want to locate before claiming that we see a new species!
The apes are suing back! About then everything went black, oh wasn't that a party?
From the article
A new Great Ape has been discovered sitting behind a desk at 1600 Pensylvania Ave. Scientists are stil trying to determine if it has intellegence
Wasn't he just in Africa around the time of the sightings?
The fact that it hasn't been done probably indicates that it can't be done.
Humans have enough mad scientists and Dr. Mengeles that SOMEONE has damn certainly tried it, and we probably would've heard (and seen) if it had succeeded.
More like "not-so-hot" ape...
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I saw dozens of these great apes on the South Side of Chicago last night! Somebody better send a zoologist down there right away to check it out!
Hmmmm
Has anyone read Congo by Michael Crichton?
This sounds strangely similiar...
Also try "The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee" by Jared Diamond. 's very good.
1. Find new ape species
2. Play stupid tricks
3. ???
4. Get Darwin award
Hey! That's my cousin Larry!
Pictures of the animal are rare, but it seems slightly taller than most gorillas, with a flatter face.
Has Woz been to Africa lately?
or perhaps a hybrid between two other species.
I suspect that it was the result of a man having a little too much to drink (or perhaps smoke) and stumbling into the jungle...
The newly discovered ape is likely the product of copulation between a human being and a chimp. The genes of the two species are closer to each other than the genes of a horse and a donkey.
The skull of this new "ape" looks more like that of a primitive hominid, like the pithecines. I don't think this thing will turn out to be a chimp. It's no gorilla either, I didn't see a sagittal crest. It's bipedal, larger than 6 ft, and has a flat face. Might be a descendant of one of the robust pithecines or Gigantopithecus.
I'm personally of the belief that the chimps and gorillas are descendants of the Australopithecines who returned to the forest. Makes perfect sense, one larger and one smaller australopithecine become one larger, one smaller great ape.
Very soon hords of scaring people will be chasing it across Africa until the species is rotten out. Then we will start complaining how cruel life is and everybody will go back to business and not care about it.
I thought that Pres. Bush didn't have a meeting in Africa at this time...
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Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
That Grodd's a mean bastard.
You're completely right. The species concept, as far as I am concerned, is at best an approximation of what actually is going on. sometime's it works, sometime's it doesn't. any massively complex system such as this isn't going to be captured perfectly by so simple a concept. in any case, it doesn't matter.
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Confirmed! I have seen this new species of ape. It was screaming "developers" as it ran through the foliage. :}
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I think what you are describing there is not 'dog-like' behaviour but 'pet-like' behaviour - as exhibited by dogs. This is a rabbit which is habituated to handling and people.
What do you expect it to do when you take it on car rides?
Does it fetch sticks, wag its tail when excited? Does it sit by the front door when its primary feeder is due home? Does it smell other dog's bottoms?
No?
It has been hypothesized that the ape might be a new species, a subspecies, or perhaps a hybrid between two other species.
:)
About the only thing left out of that list is 'existing species'... if you add that then you can just rewrite:
It has been hypothesized that the ape might be an ape
Got any evidence to back up your claim?
I've never heard of any such studies, and a few quick google searches turn nothing up. Furthermore, a lot of the points mentioned sound very suspicious.
They've improved intelligence by nearly 40%? Measured how? We can't even come uip with a good system for measuring human intelligence, yet you expect me to believe they can assign a precise numerical figure to how much smarter these supposed apes are?
they are unable to develop more advanced behavious such as speach and the concept of friendship.
Give me a break. First of all, apes are already capable of developing the advanced behavior of speach. Or rather, the advanced behavior of language. I'm sure you've heard of apes that have been tought sign language? They're certainly not very good at it, but they are clearly communicating in a very simple way using language.
The reason they haven't developed verbal speach is because they don't have the physical ability to produce the same sounds tha humans can. Breeding apes for intelligence won't ever produce a specimen that is able to speak english or any other human lanaguge, nor would any scientist ever expect it to.
As for friendship, there are pleanty of cases of animals showing friendship for others. Both in primates and in other species. Perhaps you've heard of cats and dogs? About 60 seconds of websearching was enough to find evidence that friendship among normal priamtes has already documented and researched by anthropologists.
And last and least, take a look at this person's posting history.
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I don't wanna sound like I'm overcompensating or anything, but wow. I don't believe there was a single scientific principle used in the creation of that page you linked to. It sounded like some 15 yr old using circular reasoning to get to the point he's trying to prove.
Random is the New Order.
Oh no! They got into the blue diamond-powered lasers! Run!
Ignorance is bliss and I'm suicidal.
NOW we know why CowboyNeal has been so busy!
What the article actually says is "the animal has feet that are about two inches bigger than the average gorilla and is more flat-faced than other apes."
Just because it's feet are bigger doesn't mean that it's taller. That's making unwaranted assumptions about it's body structure.
Later on in the article there is the report that "It was walking bipedally (upright) and was taller than her, and she's six feet tall." However humans have a tendency to unconsciously misjudge and/or exagerate size of unfamiliar things. Large primates are big, they weigh a lot, tend to be wider than humans, and are covered in fur. All of which problably makes humans judge them as bigger than they are. Gorillas can be up to six feet tall too, and if she saw one of those walking past while she was sitting down in a car she'd probably describe it as taller than herself as well.
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Half of them will claim it's bigfoot, the other half will claim that if it took us this long to find a new giant ape that's been around for who knows how long, how can mainsteam scientists say that the stuff they're looking for is impossible/extremely unlikely.
This of course ignores the fact that finding a new ape in Africa isn't all that unusual. If they'd found it in Washington State then they'd have a bit better claim. And even finding a new ape species in north america is far more likely that finding a surviving population of dinosaurs or whatever the latest cryptozoologist thing is.
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First thing that got into my head was Homer running covered with mud. Homer Simpsons is the great Ape!
;)
It was in one of the first episodes, everyone must have seen it at least once.
... this must be the offspring of the human and primate couple that brought AIDS into the human gene pool!!! It all makes sense now!
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Okay, whether or not this was modded up as funny, it's getting too common to just randomly reference SCO in articles for mod points. You have to admit that.
"Sufferin' succotash."
...or the monkey gets it!
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
Maybe some pervert had sex with a gorilla... who knows...
The parent probably has some agenda against either BYU or Mormons. In my personal experience as a exec for a security company, some of the most trustworthy, upstanding people Ive had the privilege to work with were Mormons. I dont agree with their religious outlook, but I find it ludicrous when people like to basically call them devils. If what they teach is soo bad, wheres the evidence of such dogma in their actions? I personally would like to see more Mormon influece in the world. When my daughter starts to date ... I would feel much more comfortable if she was with a Mormon boy. Bleh ... the parent needs to resolve his hate issues.
Primate Programming Inc. might be hiring:
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Er.. Henry?!?, I mean Sasquatch?!?
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It's obvious what this is - KWYIJBO! A big, dumb, balding North American ape. With no chin. And a bad temper.
There we have it - The question of the hybrid ape solved! For a total of twenty-two points, plus triple-word-score, plus fifty points for using all my letters. Game's over. I'm outta here!
Now that I've said it, get off your ass and go get a real job! So much for working in a "Planet of the Apes" environment. Not so? Tomorrow, look closely at your co-workers for simian traits and appearances.
Youthinks sounding like a wounded prey animal specific to this creature isn't clever; could you do it? Could you do it well enough to fool the predator? Smug armchair naturalists..
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Ha-ha; "especially when yo consider that gorillas are so poorly endowed when compared to their chimp cousins". This assumes it's the male gorilla and female chimp. Your statement itself provides ample motivation for female gorillas to seek out male chimps, and we all know what sluts male chimps are...
And no, species don't _magically_ transform from on to another. They evolve that way. Now I've heard, but not seen it myself, that bacteria have been observed changing into something else under the microscope. Though that's hearsay of course.
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I remember one show when Marlin was attempting to pick up a tiger cub (or something similar), and got quite badly bitten just as the other bloke said, "Watch those sharp teeth and claws, Marlin." It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
What a long, strange trip it's been.
ever since i saw the _developers! developers! developers!_, i thought him an entirely different animal. certainly, he can't be human.
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What I have read about the gorillas in Rwanda and Congo, and the chimpanzees in Congo, is that the local people tend to treat the apes with respect and tolerance, all the more so in Rwanda where they used to get a nice income from tourism. The bushmeat hunters are generally outsiders - one particularly horrible example is logging companies, which employ hunters to feed their crews. Logging in the central African forests is gearing up, since these are some of the last big forests left. Logging firms send in crews to rip out the big old trees, and feed these guys on bushmeat.
It's not a simple question of 'eat or die'. The fate of the big apes in Africa's central forests is tied to the fate of the forests themselves, and as so often, it's outsiders who are benefiting from the destruction, while the inhabitants of the region (human, near human, and whatever) find themselves extinguished.
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I thought the definition of species included something like: if two kinds of animal can and do interbreed (producing fertile offspring), then they are the same species.
This has problems - there might be cases where same-species is not transitive - but if it's possible to create hybrids between two 'different species', what does the word mean?
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I can't tell if you're being a troll, an evo bio fanboy, or are just mis-informed about anthropology.
;o)
ever hear of Physical Anthropology?
Louis Leake and his family? the Lucy fossil?
I'm a cultural anthropologist, but not all anthropology is cultural.
Physical anthropologists do it in the dirt.
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Perhaps...
Why that? I'm more on the Creationist camp.
This is more like it. Thank you for enlightening me.
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This discovery of a new species of grape ape is sure to lead to major advances in the animation industry.
That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
Looks like a hoax to me - they report several sightings but have the worst photographic skills ever - these being scientists for which photography skills are pretty key to their research ... the image given on the CNN page doesn't even define a recognisable outline and there are no features to provide scale.
... whoops, forgot to point the camera. Still never mind.
Picture the scene as you decide to sacrifice one of your staff by making them imitate an injured gazelle. You get out your 3000 UKPound (cost not weight!) camera and switch off the near perfect autofocus. As the apes approach you decide to remove your glasses as you are sure astigmatic eyes are better for focussing. Finally, ensuring lots of foliage is in the way you sit and randomly click the shutter release
You look round for another guide, hoping to get more stunning photos. Suddenly you realise you're alone.
Although he answers to the name "Jared" (the antithesis of "Jared the Subway Guy")... you can see him at: http://www.theredmonkey.com
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The new species is called an African. From what I understand, they are in abundance, and breeding rapidly. If they are not kept in check, they over-breed, lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc. Evidence of this can be seen in today's modern American Ghettos.
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Some mules can have offspring. There was an article a few months ago about one that had a "colt?" in egypt. CNN I think.
It is a once in a blue moon occurance, but I would assume that if this colt was bred, you could integrate Donkeys and horses once again.
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Well, aggressiveness and territoriality I believe was Crichton's fiction; his kakundakaris are only inspired in the African tale. I can't remember reading anything about the `real' kakundakari---the one people of the Congo claim exists---being specially aggressive or territorial. Only weird for an ape, more man-like, sort of bigfoot. And remember than hominids closely related to humans, both extant (chimpanzee, bonobo, gorilla) and fossil (austalopithecines) are African. I myself would not be surprised (although exited, oh boy!!!) if this new ape == kakundakari == australopithecine, probably big like Paranthropus bosei.
About being shy and avoiding contact with humans---well, australopithecines are supposed to have been pretty britght, right? Any non-human hominid with any cranial capacity will do well to stay clear of Homo sapiens. Actually, this is valid for most humans too, to stay away from people like (e.g.) Rumsfeld, although these kind of humans I prefer to refer to another species, Homo demens
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