Exactly right!
Putting out a shitty product in an attempt to keep up with your bigger and more established competitor (which keeps pulling ahead anyways) is the perfect way to get Wall Street analysts drooling over your company which will have a wonderful effect on your market cap.
AMD cannot affor too many blunders or they will be left well behind. All that work to establish themselves as an alternative to Intel can and will evaporate if they start shipping crap in servers to major business.
Alert the media - a business is spending money to further it's market strategy. Of course many will think this is ipso facto proof that MS is using its monopoly to further illegal ends, etc. Wrong. Obviously each side in a competing format situation will take all necessary steps to ensure that the format dooes not become irrelevant. How much did Sony do to protect Betamax? Every company siding with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD has made an investment and wants to further the technology. Cutting deals with movie studios to ensure that the format is represented on the latest releases seems like smart business. I do not see where MS is strong-arming the studios to not release Blu-ray formats but if the studio agrees to take money in return that is a simple business transaction.. Unless someone can show me that MS has undus influence in the entertainment industry somehow.
Must be some new definition of the word I was never aware of....
When AMD relegates Intel to less than 15% market share then crushing might be indicated. Otherwise it is interesting that AMD, for all the work it has done to build its market, has never dominated Intel - either in market share or specifications. I think just for AMD to have transformed itself from the cheap lesser CPUs it was known for 8 years ago to near-parity at all is an amazing achievement.
I have found Safari anything but fast on a Mac platform - What a sales pitch. I'll stick to Firefox.
C'mon Mac fans, stop thumping your chests, this is just a web browser and not a spectacular one at that. Now that said I have used OSX for over a year and really like most of it. But I find Safari to be the weakest app on the desktop. And of course I use it all the time.
Are you aure you understand what stock manipulation really is? Is it really worth tanking the stock for a quarter so you can have one 3 month run up which is clearly obvious to everyone in the market and regulators to boot. This only makes sense when the company is circling the drain and you are cashing out before the whole thing sinks. There are no indicators that MS is in that position. Whoops - sorry - it Microsoft and therefore everything they do is not only tainted but designed to serve Satan and ruin society and the common man.
Here comes the religious war. The holy and pure Open Source against the godless and evil closed source corporations. God forbid that any line between the two should be obscured or moved. We must have an enemy!!!/. regularly pillories MS for being closed and proprietary and now they are just cynically using OS for their own ends. Of course they are going to use business strategies that will increase profits and marketshare and OS has a lot to offer. Why not use it? And IBM as well??? Perish the thought that they are not altruistic on this. IBM does not embrace Linux because it is right - they do it because it fits their business strategy.
Lets not divide everyone into haves and have nots. Very recently anyone who adopted open source was welcome to validate it in the marketplace. Now an increasing amount of waterheads are focusing on purity.
Being asked to show ID in most instances is a fairly mundane act.
Gilmore sounds like a total assclown for taking a case to the Supreme Court over this. He knows you either show ID or get the body cavity search to fly. Why would this even be an issue. Freedom to be foolish rulz
Because you give to charity you are held to a higher standard? Bullshit. I know it is mandatory here that everything Bill Gates does, thinks and appreciates must be attacked as the ultimate evil but come on. All foundations invest the bulk of their holdings in investments with enough rate of return so as to be able to give away the surplus and do this for many years beyond the death of the founder. According to your reasoning CALPERS, the largest pension organization in the world, must ensure that none of it's investments has a negative impact on anybody. This does not and will never happen; although major political issues might get some attention. A higher duty of care? Like it or not many aspects of life have been enriched by charitable foundations from historical types like BG: Morgan, Ford, etc.
Yes they too get run as businesses and the larger they are the more imperative that fact.
I expect you give nothing to anybody - thus you are held to no standard whatsoever. Nice cop out.
If you want to indict the charitable foundation system in general go ahead - there are many who waste money in overhead and have nothing but good intentions. But singling out this one has little to do with anything except another chance to paint Bill Gates as the Anti-Christ. Perhaps you would prefer that this money never get spent in Africa at all since in your view it is not being done correctly?
Listen to the shit responses./ becomes more puerile by the day.
Just because someone reports a positive Microsoft experience - - that cannot be right!! They must be a dupe, shill or paid off to be so stupid. Why the fuck isn't he rolling out Gentoo instead?
Perhaps Vista is not as bad as everyone hopes. Perhaps you can run a business on MS server software with MSSQL and Exchange without bluescreens. But no - - in this reality everything MS MUST suck or the whole raison d'etre of Slashdot is negated.
Vigilante justice refers to private citizens making up and enforcing their own law. Microsoft is working within the legal system of each country to bring this about. You are off base here.
If you object to MS getting involved at all, fine. I think for once MS is showing some decent behaviour in criminally targetting large scammers and just slapping down dumb teenagers.
Isn't this the company which everyone derides for NOT playing by legal rules? Now you are unhappy when they do and even show some restraint?/. does not need to invent the devil - - it has already found one.
Who would ever use OSX on a server.
There are very compelling technical articles which demonstrate that OSX is not really designed for servers. I have never heard of a data center running Apple servers. There are undoubtably a few but a very tiny percentage. I like OSX on the desktop but I would not run it on the backend. What the hell would you run on it other than file/print and web server anyways?
No applications for business means this is a non-event.
In a corporate setting backwards compatibility is absolutely crucial to smooth delivery of services as you move onto newer hardware/OS. You can fuss all you want... but when I am reponsible for a 24x7 shop and business units pitch for the latest features in their favourite applications I need to know that I can upgrade systems, servers and software with the least amount of risk.
And what are you going on about re: Vista from a few years ago? Holy crap - a Ars account of a first beta release having flaws!!!
And to the idiot who suggested above that we can just run a zillion virtual servers to cover the lack of compatability....clearly you have never been in a sizeable IS environment.
That is why I used the word "compelling". Novell needs to play catch up and to entice business to migrate onto their platforms. A few neat and useful products will not do this and if they truly wish to compete with Linux, Windows, etc in the data center they had better prove why such a migration makes business sense. Unless, that is, they focus on tools and become an application vendor instead of a Server OS company.
I am not saying their software is useless, just that the company is becoming increasingly so since it cannot successfully bundle their NOS with these tools. Perhaps they should just market applications since they are going nowhere on servers and on the desktop.
They have never recovered after the heydays of 3.12 Netware. Failed attempts to provide a business application suite (could anyone have screwed up WordPerfect faster or more completely?) and drawn-out re-issues of updated Netware (some of which had nothing in common stability-wise with 3.12) with some damn good tools never interrupted the downward spiral which has characterized them for the past 10 years. Acquiring Suse brought high hopes but the number of Novell shops has continued to decrease. Just a few isolated islands of zealous CNE's in an otherwise hostile sea.
Just pull the damn plug and get it over with. The truly sad fact is that they have nothing compelling to offer businesses.
I work at a 10 Billion dollar financial services company and Exchange serves our needs just fine. We chose not to spend extra money in customizing our email environment which is what Notes/Domino requires to really shine. You like Notes - thats fine. But asserting that Exchange is a toy for lesser business makes you sound like an assclown.
I am quite sure watching Gundam over and over again is much more productive. It is his choice what to do with his time. You sound like you feel jilted that your friends are playing WOW and ignoring you.
If your company relies on Excel for any type of central accounting function it deserves to die.
It is a moderately useful spreadsheet program only - running any sizable business on it is absurd.
MS is already held to a different LEGAL standard since there has been a finding of monopoly power abuse. I am talking only about technical issues re: functionality & features of an application. Tying is the bundling of applications to prevent competition and has no place in my argument. MS could completely adhere to standards and still tie the app with the OS. That is an issue of WHAT you do with the product - not how you code it.
I am not defending MS in this - I expect vendors of all types to not break things because os bad engineering. Everyone, MS included, should be pilloried for shitty coding. That is my point. I see a lot of "so what - it works for the end user" justification to avoid criticizing Apple here. The problem is that if if this goes too far then we will turn back the clock to where different vendor products will work differently enough that there will be no integration.
When MS does something like this all that can be seen are flames about how they ignore standards and push proprietary functionality. Apple (and Linux) gets a pass when anything gets changed. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Either use standards as standards or use them as general guidelines - just be consistent.
It would be apparent that the author, a lawyer, explicitly says that this scenario does not apply to companies who simply use Linux.
He is warning software vendors who make changes to open source software and might violate the GPL.
Wasabi targets OEM vendors for sales of platforms and such and from a legal standpoint this paper raises real issues. So everyone stop assuming that this applies to any shop which has a Linux server - it does not.
Perhaps expectations should be lowered for/.r's. Knee-jerk reactions to a topic header indicates carelessness or cluelessness. There is no third option.
Groupwise has no technical equivalents in the market place? Are you on crack? I'll bet Domino/Notes and Exchange shops will laugh at that assertion. Please name one superior aspect of Groupwise which belies it's tiny markketshare.
Zenworks and eDirectory I'll give very high marks for - they are excellent. But having used all three of the commercial email packages the Groupwise comment is, on it's face, completely ridiculous.
Outside of NOS, Novell has utterly failed to impress with any product acquisition regardless of the quality or market position when bought.
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Exactly right! Putting out a shitty product in an attempt to keep up with your bigger and more established competitor (which keeps pulling ahead anyways) is the perfect way to get Wall Street analysts drooling over your company which will have a wonderful effect on your market cap. AMD cannot affor too many blunders or they will be left well behind. All that work to establish themselves as an alternative to Intel can and will evaporate if they start shipping crap in servers to major business.
Alert the media - a business is spending money to further it's market strategy. Of course many will think this is ipso facto proof that MS is using its monopoly to further illegal ends, etc. Wrong. Obviously each side in a competing format situation will take all necessary steps to ensure that the format dooes not become irrelevant. How much did Sony do to protect Betamax? Every company siding with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD has made an investment and wants to further the technology. Cutting deals with movie studios to ensure that the format is represented on the latest releases seems like smart business. I do not see where MS is strong-arming the studios to not release Blu-ray formats but if the studio agrees to take money in return that is a simple business transaction.. Unless someone can show me that MS has undus influence in the entertainment industry somehow.
"crushing"????
Must be some new definition of the word I was never aware of....
When AMD relegates Intel to less than 15% market share then crushing might be indicated. Otherwise it is interesting that AMD, for all the work it has done to build its market, has never dominated Intel - either in market share or specifications. I think just for AMD to have transformed itself from the cheap lesser CPUs it was known for 8 years ago to near-parity at all is an amazing achievement.
I have found Safari anything but fast on a Mac platform - What a sales pitch. I'll stick to Firefox. C'mon Mac fans, stop thumping your chests, this is just a web browser and not a spectacular one at that. Now that said I have used OSX for over a year and really like most of it. But I find Safari to be the weakest app on the desktop. And of course I use it all the time.
Are you aure you understand what stock manipulation really is? Is it really worth tanking the stock for a quarter so you can have one 3 month run up which is clearly obvious to everyone in the market and regulators to boot. This only makes sense when the company is circling the drain and you are cashing out before the whole thing sinks. There are no indicators that MS is in that position. Whoops - sorry - it Microsoft and therefore everything they do is not only tainted but designed to serve Satan and ruin society and the common man.
Here comes the religious war. The holy and pure Open Source against the godless and evil closed source corporations. God forbid that any line between the two should be obscured or moved. We must have an enemy!!! /. regularly pillories MS for being closed and proprietary and now they are just cynically using OS for their own ends. Of course they are going to use business strategies that will increase profits and marketshare and OS has a lot to offer. Why not use it? And IBM as well??? Perish the thought that they are not altruistic on this. IBM does not embrace Linux because it is right - they do it because it fits their business strategy.
Lets not divide everyone into haves and have nots. Very recently anyone who adopted open source was welcome to validate it in the marketplace. Now an increasing amount of waterheads are focusing on purity.
Being asked to show ID in most instances is a fairly mundane act.
Gilmore sounds like a total assclown for taking a case to the Supreme Court over this. He knows you either show ID or get the body cavity search to fly. Why would this even be an issue. Freedom to be foolish rulz
Because you give to charity you are held to a higher standard? Bullshit. I know it is mandatory here that everything Bill Gates does, thinks and appreciates must be attacked as the ultimate evil but come on. All foundations invest the bulk of their holdings in investments with enough rate of return so as to be able to give away the surplus and do this for many years beyond the death of the founder. According to your reasoning CALPERS, the largest pension organization in the world, must ensure that none of it's investments has a negative impact on anybody. This does not and will never happen; although major political issues might get some attention. A higher duty of care? Like it or not many aspects of life have been enriched by charitable foundations from historical types like BG: Morgan, Ford, etc.
Yes they too get run as businesses and the larger they are the more imperative that fact.
I expect you give nothing to anybody - thus you are held to no standard whatsoever. Nice cop out.
If you want to indict the charitable foundation system in general go ahead - there are many who waste money in overhead and have nothing but good intentions. But singling out this one has little to do with anything except another chance to paint Bill Gates as the Anti-Christ. Perhaps you would prefer that this money never get spent in Africa at all since in your view it is not being done correctly?
Listen to the shit responses ./ becomes more puerile by the day.
Just because someone reports a positive Microsoft experience - - that cannot be right!! They must be a dupe, shill or paid off to be so stupid. Why the fuck isn't he rolling out Gentoo instead?
Perhaps Vista is not as bad as everyone hopes. Perhaps you can run a business on MS server software with MSSQL and Exchange without bluescreens. But no - - in this reality everything MS MUST suck or the whole raison d'etre of Slashdot is negated.
Vigilante justice refers to private citizens making up and enforcing their own law. Microsoft is working within the legal system of each country to bring this about. You are off base here.
/. does not need to invent the devil - - it has already found one.
If you object to MS getting involved at all, fine. I think for once MS is showing some decent behaviour in criminally targetting large scammers and just slapping down dumb teenagers.
Isn't this the company which everyone derides for NOT playing by legal rules? Now you are unhappy when they do and even show some restraint?
Who would ever use OSX on a server. There are very compelling technical articles which demonstrate that OSX is not really designed for servers. I have never heard of a data center running Apple servers. There are undoubtably a few but a very tiny percentage. I like OSX on the desktop but I would not run it on the backend. What the hell would you run on it other than file/print and web server anyways? No applications for business means this is a non-event.
In a corporate setting backwards compatibility is absolutely crucial to smooth delivery of services as you move onto newer hardware/OS. You can fuss all you want... but when I am reponsible for a 24x7 shop and business units pitch for the latest features in their favourite applications I need to know that I can upgrade systems, servers and software with the least amount of risk. And what are you going on about re: Vista from a few years ago? Holy crap - a Ars account of a first beta release having flaws!!! And to the idiot who suggested above that we can just run a zillion virtual servers to cover the lack of compatability....clearly you have never been in a sizeable IS environment.
Stupidest.
/. troll.
Response.
Ever.
You sir, are too moronic even for the typical
That is why I used the word "compelling". Novell needs to play catch up and to entice business to migrate onto their platforms. A few neat and useful products will not do this and if they truly wish to compete with Linux, Windows, etc in the data center they had better prove why such a migration makes business sense. Unless, that is, they focus on tools and become an application vendor instead of a Server OS company.
I am not saying their software is useless, just that the company is becoming increasingly so since it cannot successfully bundle their NOS with these tools. Perhaps they should just market applications since they are going nowhere on servers and on the desktop.
They have never recovered after the heydays of 3.12 Netware. Failed attempts to provide a business application suite (could anyone have screwed up WordPerfect faster or more completely?) and drawn-out re-issues of updated Netware (some of which had nothing in common stability-wise with 3.12) with some damn good tools never interrupted the downward spiral which has characterized them for the past 10 years. Acquiring Suse brought high hopes but the number of Novell shops has continued to decrease. Just a few isolated islands of zealous CNE's in an otherwise hostile sea. Just pull the damn plug and get it over with. The truly sad fact is that they have nothing compelling to offer businesses.
You mean most of us work at unreal companies?
I work at a 10 Billion dollar financial services company and Exchange serves our needs just fine. We chose not to spend extra money in customizing our email environment which is what Notes/Domino requires to really shine. You like Notes - thats fine. But asserting that Exchange is a toy for lesser business makes you sound like an assclown.
Yeah - you keep on doing that. Someday you will find out what the legal system is really about.
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I am quite sure watching Gundam over and over again is much more productive. It is his choice what to do with his time. You sound like you feel jilted that your friends are playing WOW and ignoring you.
I stick with the BSD license so this never-ending dance is completely immaterial.
If your company relies on Excel for any type of central accounting function it deserves to die. It is a moderately useful spreadsheet program only - running any sizable business on it is absurd.
MS is already held to a different LEGAL standard since there has been a finding of monopoly power abuse. I am talking only about technical issues re: functionality & features of an application. Tying is the bundling of applications to prevent competition and has no place in my argument. MS could completely adhere to standards and still tie the app with the OS. That is an issue of WHAT you do with the product - not how you code it.
I am not defending MS in this - I expect vendors of all types to not break things because os bad engineering. Everyone, MS included, should be pilloried for shitty coding. That is my point. I see a lot of "so what - it works for the end user" justification to avoid criticizing Apple here. The problem is that if if this goes too far then we will turn back the clock to where different vendor products will work differently enough that there will be no integration.
When MS does something like this all that can be seen are flames about how they ignore standards and push proprietary functionality. Apple (and Linux) gets a pass when anything gets changed. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Either use standards as standards or use them as general guidelines - just be consistent.
It would be apparent that the author, a lawyer, explicitly says that this scenario does not apply to companies who simply use Linux.
/.r's. Knee-jerk reactions to a topic header indicates carelessness or cluelessness. There is no third option.
He is warning software vendors who make changes to open source software and might violate the GPL.
Wasabi targets OEM vendors for sales of platforms and such and from a legal standpoint this paper raises real issues. So everyone stop assuming that this applies to any shop which has a Linux server - it does not.
Perhaps expectations should be lowered for
So what. Malmsteen is fast - but completely unmusical and will disappear from memory. Fripp has, otoh, left a durable legacy.
Yngwie can't write for shit either.
Groupwise has no technical equivalents in the market place? Are you on crack? I'll bet Domino/Notes and Exchange shops will laugh at that assertion. Please name one superior aspect of Groupwise which belies it's tiny markketshare.
Zenworks and eDirectory I'll give very high marks for - they are excellent. But having used all three of the commercial email packages the Groupwise comment is, on it's face, completely ridiculous.
Outside of NOS, Novell has utterly failed to impress with any product acquisition regardless of the quality or market position when bought.