My point is that Linux shouldn't be used to mean 'every distro of linux' because they all have different idiosyncracies that make them better or worse than other distros.
You are correct, which is why I submitted my orginal reply. If you can't even compare diffrent distrobutions, how can you comapre "Linux" to Windows? Every OS and OS variations have their own little quirks. It just pains me when I see people bashing an OS (wether it is Windows, *BSD, Linux (Insert your favorite distro here), etc.), just because It is not Open Source. If you like WinBlows, then you will live with its problems and quirks. If you like *BSD, then once again you will live with its own set of idiosyncracies. The same holds true with your favorite Linux Distro. The only thing I am trying to say is that I constantly hear more and more non-Linux-OS bashing on this sight. Linux=Good, AllOtherOS'es=BAD. Hell we're talking about Winblows, when the parent post had nothing to do with it. Linux was created using the Open Source model. IMHO one of the basis' of the Open Source model is choice. I seem to hear more and more "Linux enthusiaist" bashing other peoples choices of OS'es. It just p*sses me off when, peopel that are suppose to be preaching choice and openess, are so closed minded.
Unfortunately even with swiss army knife distros some drivers still need to be compiled into the kernel. Not to mention by compiling them into the kernel, you will get better performance. Of course, we are getting past the orginal intent of my reply. My reply was only meant to show that every OS has its quirks about installing drivers. Linux, *BSD, WinBlows, Unix, etc. They all have their own little idiosyncrasies.
Correct! If by "just works" you mean:
1. load the driver from the supplied cd (where is that damn thing)
2. reboot
3. recover from blue screen of death
4. reboot in 'safe mode' (thanks MS, for protecting me from evil!)
5. Remove outdated, incompatable driver
6. Spend six hours reading forums and newsgroups about other users experience with how the device failed for them, and what they did.
7. Hunt down an obscure driver that is not intended for use with your device, but will give you some functionality without conflicting with your other drivers.
8. Download and install driver from a less than reputable source
9. Watch a worm run rampant through your system
10. Finally learn your lesson and install Linux or buy a Mac
I am definetily no fan of WinBlows. I use linux everyday. Unfortunately, installing *new* hardware on Linux can be just as inconveinent as any othe OS.
The same thing can be said about most Linux distros as well....
1. find the driver on some obscure website or news group.
2. Recompile the kerenel to include the driver(Damn it has errors)
3. Fix code problems
4. Recompile
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4
6. Write patch for incompaitable gcc version
7. Repeat steps 3 and 4
8. Restart with new kernel
9. kernel panic
10. reboot old kernel
11. Remove incorrectly compiled kernel.
12. Spend six hours reading forums and newsgroups about other users experience with how the device failed for them, and what they did.
14. Download and install beta or (shudder alpha level)driver.
15. Repeat steps 2 - 12
16. Compile driver as loadable module.
17. Repeat steps 3 - 7
18. Start Daemon or reboot
19. Kernel Panic
20. Reboot in 'interactive mode', 'different run level' or 'using emergency boot media'
21. Remove loadable module
22. spend 6months writing your own driver
23. Overlook security flaw in your own code.
24. Watch your box get r00t'ed.
22. Finally learn your lesson and install Windows or buy a Mac.
Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Then, label each responsible network administrator as a security risk and get them fired
Or better yet label your competitors as security risks and swipe their contracts. If an employer is dumb enough to fire an on staff security administrator, then they would seem dumb enough to fire one outsourcing company for another.
They will just relay a message through each open relay they find to an account they can check, to see if the message went through
RTFA
From spamhole.net: When an SMTP client connects to our spamhole, we note the number of times it has connected before. If this number is below a configurable threshold, we simply redirect it's connection through the spamhole to a real SMTP server and allow it an unmodified session. This provides for any potential 'test' email the spammer may attempt to send through the 'open relay' to verify successful delivery to successfuly pass through the system and be delivered. Many spammers do this to validate their open relays prior to attempting bulk mailings. The downside to this is that a few SPAM emails may actually be delivered by your spamhole. Such is the price to pay for tricking the spammer into continued use of your 'open relay'.
The thing that concerns me, is how much of my bandwidth is going to get chewed up receiving all of this spam that does not go anywhere. I mean it is a great idea to trick the spammers, but it is till going to cost me money in bandwidth.
Fedora 1.0 will be basically RedHat 10. The Fedora project is sponsored by RedHat and took over the codebase. I am currently using Fedora Test 3 (upgraded from RedHat 9).
The only problem with using Fedora, is that it seems to be a way for RH to test out bleeding edge software. I've been using RH since release 4, and have deployed and recommended it to many small to medium sized businesses. It is a rock solid distro, with great support and easily updated (Gotta love RPMs;) and up2date). After going over to the Fedora web site, I don't think I would recommend it to anyone. It sounds like it is going to be beta level software rolled into a distro so RH can test for RHE. No thanks. I wish RH all of the luck, but unfortunately the clients I have can not afford to pay those prices, but require stability. IMHO, I don't think Fedora can provide that stability. I guess I'll be switching to Mandrake.
I would like to introduce myself as well. I'm running RH 5.2 on a 486 DX33 machine as a DNS caching DNS server in my house. I also have a 486 SX33 as a webserver, running RH 6.3. I am running a RH 9 machine (P3 866) as a mail/spam filter server. My main Workstation is RH 9. I have been a long time user of the RedHat Distro. I even have deployed it for my various employer and clients. So there are a bunch of us out there.
I knew someone who got screwed big time by a gas station who would keep the carbons...
I had a simillar experinece with a gas station. Luckily I used my Discover Card. Discover monitors your spending habits and locations (Hmmm, I wonder what else they use that information for???). They noticed that my Discover Card was being used in locations that are on the opposite side of the city from where I live, and were for purchases that I do not normally make (baby items, furniture, perfume, etc.), and at stores I don't normally frequent. They contacted me before I even received a bill, and corrected the situation. Come to find out someone swiped the CC numbers from the computer/pumps at the gas station buy my house. I now use cash only when I buy gas.
...Of course, legally if this is possible (which I believe it would be), he would be transferring ownership of the rights to that song making the iTunes copy he still has in his posession illegal...
I don't believe you are correct. His rights are assigned and associated to the iTunes file, not an ill-gotten MP3 he downloaded. Even if you buy a CD, according to copyright laws you are allowed to make one backup copy for archival purposes. That's why the RIAA has a leg to stand on in court. Even if you own the CD's, legal you can not download the MP3 from someone else. You rights are associated to your media, not someone elses media. Now if you rip the songs off of your media, and do not share them, then you are ok. As soon as you share them, or download someone elses, then you have violated copyright law, because the content you are using is not associated to your purchased media.
So if you sell the iTunes file, and then give the person the MP3, not only did he reneg on the iTunes sale (because the rights are associated to the iTunes file, not the MP3 you downloaded), but you just sold a pirated MP3.
Apple's DRM shoul stop him. If Apple will actually transfer the rights, then he would not be able to play the song anymore. I'm not an Apple user, and I could be wrong, but I believe your file is checked against your DRM token to verify your rights to play it. If the token does not match, then it won't play. Of course, since it is a file on a computer anything is posible (wink, wink).
Actually, windows update is installed on win 2k and higher. This already has the features to schedule downloads and installations of hot fixes automagiacally. Currently it is not enabled by default, but I would imagine that it would not take nuch effort by Microsoft to make that the default setting. I only hope that they are nice enough to still give the user the option to schecdule different times and still be able to disable it if they wish. Besides I don't see what the big deal is. Who hear uses RedHat's up2date service? What's the difference. Oh that's right we all trust RedHat....
I am so sick and tired of hearing and reading all of this FUD! For christ sake, either show us all of the offending code so it can be corrected, and monetary damages settled, or SHUT UP! This is getting old fast. If it continues, Then I'll be forced to take drastic measures. I will get rid of all of my IBM computers and Linux servers and switch to Dell servers preinstalled with Windows 2003. Then evrey one concerned will lose, including me:(
...Not to mention, if the RIAA can force an ISP to cough up these records. How long do you think before the MPAA or major software vendors, will begin doing it? According to the article there are businesses out their that do nothing more than track this information for copyright holders. Hell even Micro$haft has records of illegally installed software. Right now it is only the RIAA, but if this campaign by the RIAA becomes successful, then lookout, because the flood gates will be open and your ISP's will be inundated with these types of requests.
In a perfect world, it would be nice to allow people to use IM for personal use on their breaks. Unfortunately this is not a perfect world. People have a tendancy to abuse the privledges they are given. People will use the IM anytime they feel the urge to communcate with someone else. This has a tendancy to turn 15 minute breaks into 30 minute breaks and 1/2 hour lunches into 2 hour lunches.
The part of IM that I really hate is that most IM clients will allow the user to download files. I can not tell you how many times I have seen people get viral infections because their new friend that they just made on-line, sent them a really cool screensaver. Next thing you know my firewall is logging multiple netbus and subseven attacks. I even had one l-user chatting with a friend(that they have only known online for a couple of days) that tried to walk my l-user through how to disable the AV software (luckly they can't, because it is locked down), because they constanly kept trying to send her (through IM) a file with BackOrfice.
Another business problem with IM, is if the l-users are chatting online, then they are utilizing costly bandwidth that their employer pays for. If you remove all IM'ing, then you have increased the amouny of availble bandwidth for business opportunities.
So as to being petty, that may be true, but in the business world the bottom line is what counts. Due to reduced productivity, costly IT expenses to cleanup the messes that IM users create, and increased bandwidth availability, I can understand why businesses want ot ban IM. Don't get me wrong, IM is a great way to communicate, and has the potential to be an extremely usefull and powerfull business tool. Unfortunately people have turned it into a costly nightmare.
Phone rings...Vinny: Vinny's Pizza, Vinny speackin' fubar1971: Yeah vinny, I would like a Lg peperonni pizza.....and do a little...trading. Vinny:Sure, Wat d'ya like? fubar1971:Give me a nickle on Husseins capture, a dime on the Isreal Bombing, and a 1 Million of fubar1971 getting laid. Vinny:You sure 'bout this kid? fubar1971:Yeah I'm sure (he says with a big grin on his face) Vinny:Ok kid, I gotch ya down. I hope you knows whatchya doin'.
Vinny hangs up the phone
Vinny:What a bafoon, I knows fubar1971's wife, and he definetilies is not gettin' any tonight or any time soon.....BUUUWWAAAAHHHHAAAAHHHAA!
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My point is that Linux shouldn't be used to mean 'every distro of linux' because they all have different idiosyncracies that make them better or worse than other distros.
You are correct, which is why I submitted my orginal reply. If you can't even compare diffrent distrobutions, how can you comapre "Linux" to Windows? Every OS and OS variations have their own little quirks. It just pains me when I see people bashing an OS (wether it is Windows, *BSD, Linux (Insert your favorite distro here), etc.), just because It is not Open Source. If you like WinBlows, then you will live with its problems and quirks. If you like *BSD, then once again you will live with its own set of idiosyncracies. The same holds true with your favorite Linux Distro. The only thing I am trying to say is that I constantly hear more and more non-Linux-OS bashing on this sight. Linux=Good, AllOtherOS'es=BAD. Hell we're talking about Winblows, when the parent post had nothing to do with it. Linux was created using the Open Source model. IMHO one of the basis' of the Open Source model is choice. I seem to hear more and more "Linux enthusiaist" bashing other peoples choices of OS'es. It just p*sses me off when, peopel that are suppose to be preaching choice and openess, are so closed minded.
Unfortunately even with swiss army knife distros some drivers still need to be compiled into the kernel. Not to mention by compiling them into the kernel, you will get better performance. Of course, we are getting past the orginal intent of my reply. My reply was only meant to show that every OS has its quirks about installing drivers. Linux, *BSD, WinBlows, Unix, etc. They all have their own little idiosyncrasies.
I Love Linux....but hate Linux Zealots!!!
Correct! If by "just works" you mean:
1. load the driver from the supplied cd (where is that damn thing)
2. reboot
3. recover from blue screen of death
4. reboot in 'safe mode' (thanks MS, for protecting me from evil!)
5. Remove outdated, incompatable driver
6. Spend six hours reading forums and newsgroups about other users experience with how the device failed for them, and what they did.
7. Hunt down an obscure driver that is not intended for use with your device, but will give you some functionality without conflicting with your other drivers.
8. Download and install driver from a less than reputable source
9. Watch a worm run rampant through your system
10. Finally learn your lesson and install Linux or buy a Mac
I am definetily no fan of WinBlows. I use linux everyday. Unfortunately, installing *new* hardware on Linux can be just as inconveinent as any othe OS.
The same thing can be said about most Linux distros as well....
1. find the driver on some obscure website or news group.
2. Recompile the kerenel to include the driver(Damn it has errors)
3. Fix code problems
4. Recompile
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4
6. Write patch for incompaitable gcc version
7. Repeat steps 3 and 4
8. Restart with new kernel
9. kernel panic
10. reboot old kernel
11. Remove incorrectly compiled kernel.
12. Spend six hours reading forums and newsgroups about other users experience with how the device failed for them, and what they did.
14. Download and install beta or (shudder alpha level)driver.
15. Repeat steps 2 - 12
16. Compile driver as loadable module.
17. Repeat steps 3 - 7
18. Start Daemon or reboot
19. Kernel Panic
20. Reboot in 'interactive mode', 'different run level' or 'using emergency boot media'
21. Remove loadable module
22. spend 6months writing your own driver
23. Overlook security flaw in your own code.
24. Watch your box get r00t'ed.
22. Finally learn your lesson and install Windows or buy a Mac.
Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Then, label each responsible network administrator as a security risk and get them fired
Or better yet label your competitors as security risks and swipe their contracts. If an employer is dumb enough to fire an on staff security administrator, then they would seem dumb enough to fire one outsourcing company for another.
They will just relay a message through each open relay they find to an account they can check, to see if the message went through
RTFA
From spamhole.net:
When an SMTP client connects to our spamhole, we note the number of times it has connected before. If this number is below a configurable threshold, we simply redirect it's connection through the spamhole to a real SMTP server and allow it an unmodified session. This provides for any potential 'test' email the spammer may attempt to send through the 'open relay' to verify successful delivery to successfuly pass through the system and be delivered. Many spammers do this to validate their open relays prior to attempting bulk mailings. The downside to this is that a few SPAM emails may actually be delivered by your spamhole. Such is the price to pay for tricking the spammer into continued use of your 'open relay'.
The thing that concerns me, is how much of my bandwidth is going to get chewed up receiving all of this spam that does not go anywhere. I mean it is a great idea to trick the spammers, but it is till going to cost me money in bandwidth.
How could I have avoided needing to update 90 or so other packages with Redhat 7.3?
I'm running a RedHat 7.3 server as an email server. My box stays currnet buy using cron and up2date.
TROLL
I checked it this time. I pretty sure its correct.
Dipwad, I', not a dipwad. I just have fat fingers.
Fedora 1.0 will be basically RedHat 10. The Fedora project is sponsored by RedHat and took over the codebase. I am currently using Fedora Test 3 (upgraded from RedHat 9).
;) and up2date). After going over to the Fedora web site, I don't think I would recommend it to anyone. It sounds like it is going to be beta level software rolled into a distro so RH can test for RHE. No thanks. I wish RH all of the luck, but unfortunately the clients I have can not afford to pay those prices, but require stability. IMHO, I don't think Fedora can provide that stability. I guess I'll be switching to Mandrake.
The only problem with using Fedora, is that it seems to be a way for RH to test out bleeding edge software. I've been using RH since release 4, and have deployed and recommended it to many small to medium sized businesses. It is a rock solid distro, with great support and easily updated (Gotta love RPMs
I would like to introduce myself as well. I'm running RH 5.2 on a 486 DX33 machine as a DNS caching DNS server in my house. I also have a 486 SX33 as a webserver, running RH 6.3. I am running a RH 9 machine (P3 866) as a mail/spam filter server. My main Workstation is RH 9. I have been a long time user of the RedHat Distro. I even have deployed it for my various employer and clients. So there are a bunch of us out there.
RTFA!!!
I knew someone who got screwed big time by a gas station who would keep the carbons...
I had a simillar experinece with a gas station. Luckily I used my Discover Card. Discover monitors your spending habits and locations (Hmmm, I wonder what else they use that information for???). They noticed that my Discover Card was being used in locations that are on the opposite side of the city from where I live, and were for purchases that I do not normally make (baby items, furniture, perfume, etc.), and at stores I don't normally frequent. They contacted me before I even received a bill, and corrected the situation. Come to find out someone swiped the CC numbers from the computer/pumps at the gas station buy my house. I now use cash only when I buy gas.
Likewise, no phone conversation is worth getting into a pool and isolation helmet for. Blowjob, maybe. Phone call... no fucking way
How about 1-900 numbers.
If you don't want to see the ads, then just buy the distro.
Time to fire up the Banana 2000!
This is starting to sound like a good way to defeat the DMCA hmmmmmmmm......
...Of course, legally if this is possible (which I believe it would be), he would be transferring ownership of the rights to that song making the iTunes copy he still has in his posession illegal...
I don't believe you are correct. His rights are assigned and associated to the iTunes file, not an ill-gotten MP3 he downloaded. Even if you buy a CD, according to copyright laws you are allowed to make one backup copy for archival purposes. That's why the RIAA has a leg to stand on in court. Even if you own the CD's, legal you can not download the MP3 from someone else. You rights are associated to your media, not someone elses media. Now if you rip the songs off of your media, and do not share them, then you are ok. As soon as you share them, or download someone elses, then you have violated copyright law, because the content you are using is not associated to your purchased media.
So if you sell the iTunes file, and then give the person the MP3, not only did he reneg on the iTunes sale (because the rights are associated to the iTunes file, not the MP3 you downloaded), but you just sold a pirated MP3.
Apple's DRM shoul stop him. If Apple will actually transfer the rights, then he would not be able to play the song anymore. I'm not an Apple user, and I could be wrong, but I believe your file is checked against your DRM token to verify your rights to play it. If the token does not match, then it won't play. Of course, since it is a file on a computer anything is posible (wink, wink).
Why bother, we just slashdotted their site! Kind of Ironic isn't it ;)
Actually, windows update is installed on win 2k and higher. This already has the features to schedule downloads and installations of hot fixes automagiacally. Currently it is not enabled by default, but I would imagine that it would not take nuch effort by Microsoft to make that the default setting. I only hope that they are nice enough to still give the user the option to schecdule different times and still be able to disable it if they wish. Besides I don't see what the big deal is. Who hear uses RedHat's up2date service? What's the difference. Oh that's right we all trust RedHat....
I am so sick and tired of hearing and reading all of this FUD! For christ sake, either show us all of the offending code so it can be corrected, and monetary damages settled, or SHUT UP! This is getting old fast. If it continues, Then I'll be forced to take drastic measures. I will get rid of all of my IBM computers and Linux servers and switch to Dell servers preinstalled with Windows 2003. Then evrey one concerned will lose, including me :(
To hell with that, just swith to Free BSD :)
...Not to mention, if the RIAA can force an ISP to cough up these records. How long do you think before the MPAA or major software vendors, will begin doing it? According to the article there are businesses out their that do nothing more than track this information for copyright holders. Hell even Micro$haft has records of illegally installed software. Right now it is only the RIAA, but if this campaign by the RIAA becomes successful, then lookout, because the flood gates will be open and your ISP's will be inundated with these types of requests.
In a perfect world, it would be nice to allow people to use IM for personal use on their breaks. Unfortunately this is not a perfect world. People have a tendancy to abuse the privledges they are given. People will use the IM anytime they feel the urge to communcate with someone else. This has a tendancy to turn 15 minute breaks into 30 minute breaks and 1/2 hour lunches into 2 hour lunches.
The part of IM that I really hate is that most IM clients will allow the user to download files. I can not tell you how many times I have seen people get viral infections because their new friend that they just made on-line, sent them a really cool screensaver. Next thing you know my firewall is logging multiple netbus and subseven attacks. I even had one l-user chatting with a friend(that they have only known online for a couple of days) that tried to walk my l-user through how to disable the AV software (luckly they can't, because it is locked down), because they constanly kept trying to send her (through IM) a file with BackOrfice.
Another business problem with IM, is if the l-users are chatting online, then they are utilizing costly bandwidth that their employer pays for. If you remove all IM'ing, then you have increased the amouny of availble bandwidth for business opportunities.
So as to being petty, that may be true, but in the business world the bottom line is what counts. Due to reduced productivity, costly IT expenses to cleanup the messes that IM users create, and increased bandwidth availability, I can understand why businesses want ot ban IM. Don't get me wrong, IM is a great way to communicate, and has the potential to be an extremely usefull and powerfull business tool. Unfortunately people have turned it into a costly nightmare.
Capture of Osama Bin Laden 10 to 1
Death of Osama Bin Laden 2 to 1
Capture of Saddam Husein 7 to 1
Death of Saddam Husein 3 to 1
Terrorist Bombing in Isreal 1 to 2
Terrorist Attack on the US 15 to 1
Assaniation of Jordan's King 25 to 1
fubar1971 getting laid tonight 4,000,000 to 1
Phone rings... Vinny: Vinny's Pizza, Vinny speackin'
fubar1971: Yeah vinny, I would like a Lg peperonni pizza.....and do a little...trading.
Vinny:Sure, Wat d'ya like?
fubar1971:Give me a nickle on Husseins capture, a dime on the Isreal Bombing, and a 1 Million of fubar1971 getting laid.
Vinny:You sure 'bout this kid?
fubar1971:Yeah I'm sure (he says with a big grin on his face)
Vinny:Ok kid, I gotch ya down. I hope you knows whatchya doin'.
Vinny hangs up the phone
Vinny:What a bafoon, I knows fubar1971's wife, and he definetilies is not gettin' any tonight or any time soon.....BUUUWWAAAAHHHHAAAAHHHAA!