That is an absurd objection. That is objecting for objecting's sake. If there are indeed people making that objection with KDE, they are a vanishingly tiny minority of idiots. However... even their objections could be met with a scriptable config tool so that on the off chance any two of them agree on the Only Right Way, they can share a script to make all the desired config customizations with a single command.
That is an utterly mystified comment on Linus' part. "Even worse"??? "Not the normal Window manager"??? Is he [expletive deleted] kidding?
I don't believe that is really Linus in the discussion. It just doesn't sound like him. For example when he remarks "Gnome3 is actually fairly close in 3.4". ????? HUH ????? First he goes on and on about what a crock Gnome3 is, and then he casually tosses out that there's really not much wrong with it? Seriously?
I can't figure out how to link it either, so for the record here's the post I'm sure you're talking about :
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Linus TorvaldsJun 2, 2012 +28 +Mantas Zimnickas: I'm really tired of the f*cking old "just use the keyboard shortcuts" crap. Sure, if you're a keyboarding person, then gnome3 is a big improvement. But dammit, if you're like me, and you write using the keyboard, and then use mousing for other operations, gnome3 is just not doing the right thing.
And what irritates me is how the gnome3 fanboys (and more importantly, developers), seem to never acknowledge that different people have different tastes. The whole "we know best" thing is a disease.
And for all the people wasting everybodys time with "Why don't you use Unity/KDE/xfce/xyz" - I've tried them. They are even worse, and equally importantly they aren't the normal window manager. I'm really not that odd. I want a few things:
- smaller fonts (especially window decorations)
- sane "start new terminal" without multiple steps from the panel
- auto-hide the panel so that I don't have to feel "all emo all the time"
- focus-follows-mouse
- the ability to use a few default flags for certain programs
and the fact is that none of the above are "odd" requests, but for some unknown reasons gnome makes these fundamental things really inconvenient and hard to find.
And christ people - stop telling me about gnome-tweak-tool. I know. I mentioned the damn thing in the post, for chissake! Telling me about the tweak tool just shows that you didn't even bother to read what I wrote.
I have found how to do all of the above things - except for the "flags for favorite applications" - but the fact is, the gnome extensions are not reliable and the UX sucks, and the gnome-tweak-tool (or at least the common parts of it) should be part of the standard settings instead of some random add-on that is not installed by default.
Gnome3 is actually fairly close in 3.4. All of my complaints are fairly small ones. What makes me sad is how these are not new issues, and how in the past at least some gnome3 people have actively said "we don't even want to fix them, because we know better".
I think Xfce 4.10 is the first Xfce I would be completely happy with, so it will be autumn before Fedora and Ubuntu get it. For example, 4.10 is the first version which will allow choosing single click activation of desktop launchers - a minor item, but one I insist on.
When 2017 arrives and RHEL6 reaches EOL and Gnome2 dies with it, I will almost certainly switch to Xfce.
I think Hatta's question is, why is delete/trash not a configurable choice? For goodness sake, it would be no more than a very simple addition to the config gui, an "if" statement, and about 3 added lines of C code. That way the user could assign the delete key to either delete or trash, as he chose. Holding down shift while pressing the delete key or clicking delete in a menu is a bit of added bother which, multiplied by thousands and thousands of times, adds up to lost productivity.
IMHO it's a minor objection, but it does come up in the user community and it's one that could be completely eliminated for very little work with the code. And both camps would be completely happy with the result. Your point that systems very widely do it this way is well taken, but nevertheless if Xfce fixed it, it would make a better Xfce. For sure I'd put it well down the to-do list, but I would add it to the list.
Here's a hint. X is a visual interface and ends up on the monitor. Sound is audio and ends up in the speakers. Keyboard and mouse are completely inseparable from the visual interface and sound is not.
So you really think a human can perceive a sound desynchronization of six MILLIONTHS of a second? That's a period in which sound travels two MILLIMETERS. You could move the position of your head imperceptibly and incur a delay of that much. Do you really think moving the violins 2 mm with respect to the horns is going to be perceptible in a concert hall?
Unless - gasp - social funds, not private investments, are used to develop new drugs. That way we don't have to worry about making a few pigs filthy rich as a side effect of the process.
Gee, sounds like exactly what governments ought to be doing, to me.
All I can say is no browser I have ever used "flickers", and I have "use hardware acceleration" checked in at least a couple of them. None of them have smooth scroll, which I detest.
To negotiate you need to know what other vendors of you[r] client... are making.
I don't think so. A negotiation of pay for services involves only the final drop-dead figure for what you are willing to work for, and the final drop-dead figure for what the client is willing to pay. The only basis for an agreement is that your figure is lower than his figure, and there is someplace between the two that you can agree on. It's a difficult and nerve-wracking process because neither of you can possibly know what the other guy's figure is.
How much he pays others, or how much you charge others, is really no consideration at all in the process. These are considerations of business ethics and whether you and he will be successful businessmen.
The brother and the illegitimate son are not in any way illegal. You can employ family members and pay them whatever you deem appropriate, at least in privately held businesses. The lover is questionable. The lover thing is a (dark) gray area because it can create a discriminatory working environment and *that* is illegal.
And you don't think the brother is discriminating in favor of family and against all others in the workplace? You think lover is a magic category? I'm just asking. I don't know the answer. I don't know where the line is drawn. I just know that when you do start drawing lines of what is and what isn't discrimination, you are building a smug sense of entitlement in some and discontent in others.
He probably lives in an actual forward thinking country with a functioning economy. The AVERAGE broadband data rate in Japan is 61 Mbps; Korea 46 Mbps; Finland 22 Mbps, Sweden 18.2 Mbps; France 17.6 Mbps. The US? 15th place, 4.8 Mbps - well below Portugal and a little better than Hungary and Slovak Republic.
The price in Japan is 27 cents/Mbps; Korea 46 cents/Mbps. The US? Brace yourself. $3.33/Mbps.
These figures are over a year old, but I bet the disparity has not closed.
2 kW is plenty to cover the AVERAGE energy use, but not enough to cover peaks for many if not most homes. If any of: stove, clothes drier, water heater are electric, it would fall flat on its face if one or some combination of those, plus maybe a toaster, microwave, or hair drier, just happened to be running at the same time. And that's not even counting electric primary or supplemental heat.
Hint: all of those are 0.5-1+ kW apiece. An electric oven alone is 2kW. Maybe that's why 8-12 kW is the normal provisioning of power to a home even without electric heat - to cover peaks.
66 of those 84 were on two airships whose crossings took days uring which the crews slept and ate comfortably, so there were really only 18 who made the crossing in airplanes before Lindbergh, and NONE of them flew solo, which was a huge accomplishment.
Cellophane had been known for a long time and was easily available industrially - it was used on cigarette packs and other packaging. A pound of cellophane film would have been enough for hundreds of stills (cellophane is pretty flimsy and tears easily). That and a light aluminum framework and some bowls would have been cheap insurance that wouldn't have impacted the plane's payload meaningfully.
I don't think pointing your own gun or laser at a fascist CAMERA is a very smart thing to do. It might be transmitting in real time. Hell, it's not even smart to recommend it. I certainly don't. It is easy, however, to imagine other ways - strictly as a mental exercise.
Right now the fascists are in hog heaven because they have a monopoly on drones. However, it's pretty easy for citizens and bands of citizens to manufacture their own drones at a cost of 1% or 0.1%, maybe 0.01% of what those morons pay for theirs. Just imagine a sky black with rebel drones taking out the fascist drones and cameras.
Just sayin'. Get the popcorn; the show could be interesting.
Start here; I tend to take mistaken pronouncements seriously. I'm willing to entertain the idea that is a character flaw as long as it is understood that it stems from a passion for truth.
It follows therefore that service transactions, which result only in the exchange of wealth for service (money being usually used as a proxy), do not add to or subtract from the global supply of wealth.
Whenever two parties exchange goods, services and/or money in a freely chosen transaction, they are presumably both giving up something they value less for something they value more, and therefore the net product of the economy has risen. To say that only the creation of tangible objects can lead to the creation of wealth is not, in fact, generally accepted.
Sorry, coward. That's full of shit. Wealth: "abundance of valuable material possessions or resources". You haven't ended up with more material possessions or resources.
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That is an absurd objection. That is objecting for objecting's sake. If there are indeed people making that objection with KDE, they are a vanishingly tiny minority of idiots. However ... even their objections could be met with a scriptable config tool so that on the off chance any two of them agree on the Only Right Way, they can share a script to make all the desired config customizations with a single command.
That is an utterly mystified comment on Linus' part. "Even worse"??? "Not the normal Window manager"??? Is he [expletive deleted] kidding?
I don't believe that is really Linus in the discussion. It just doesn't sound like him. For example when he remarks "Gnome3 is actually fairly close in 3.4". ????? HUH ????? First he goes on and on about what a crock Gnome3 is, and then he casually tosses out that there's really not much wrong with it? Seriously?
I can't figure out how to link it either, so for the record here's the post I'm sure you're talking about :
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Linus TorvaldsJun 2, 2012
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+Mantas Zimnickas: I'm really tired of the f*cking old "just use the keyboard shortcuts" crap. Sure, if you're a keyboarding person, then gnome3 is a big improvement. But dammit, if you're like me, and you write using the keyboard, and then use mousing for other operations, gnome3 is just not doing the right thing.
And what irritates me is how the gnome3 fanboys (and more importantly, developers), seem to never acknowledge that different people have different tastes. The whole "we know best" thing is a disease.
And for all the people wasting everybodys time with "Why don't you use Unity/KDE/xfce/xyz" - I've tried them. They are even worse, and equally importantly they aren't the normal window manager. I'm really not that odd. I want a few things:
- smaller fonts (especially window decorations)
- sane "start new terminal" without multiple steps from the panel
- auto-hide the panel so that I don't have to feel "all emo all the time"
- focus-follows-mouse
- the ability to use a few default flags for certain programs
and the fact is that none of the above are "odd" requests, but for some unknown reasons gnome makes these fundamental things really inconvenient and hard to find.
And christ people - stop telling me about gnome-tweak-tool. I know. I mentioned the damn thing in the post, for chissake! Telling me about the tweak tool just shows that you didn't even bother to read what I wrote.
I have found how to do all of the above things - except for the "flags for favorite applications" - but the fact is, the gnome extensions are not reliable and the UX sucks, and the gnome-tweak-tool (or at least the common parts of it) should be part of the standard settings instead of some random add-on that is not installed by default.
Gnome3 is actually fairly close in 3.4. All of my complaints are fairly small ones. What makes me sad is how these are not new issues, and how in the past at least some gnome3 people have actively said "we don't even want to fix them, because we know better".
They don't know better.
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I think Xfce 4.10 is the first Xfce I would be completely happy with, so it will be autumn before Fedora and Ubuntu get it. For example, 4.10 is the first version which will allow choosing single click activation of desktop launchers - a minor item, but one I insist on.
When 2017 arrives and RHEL6 reaches EOL and Gnome2 dies with it, I will almost certainly switch to Xfce.
I think Hatta's question is, why is delete/trash not a configurable choice? For goodness sake, it would be no more than a very simple addition to the config gui, an "if" statement, and about 3 added lines of C code. That way the user could assign the delete key to either delete or trash, as he chose. Holding down shift while pressing the delete key or clicking delete in a menu is a bit of added bother which, multiplied by thousands and thousands of times, adds up to lost productivity.
IMHO it's a minor objection, but it does come up in the user community and it's one that could be completely eliminated for very little work with the code. And both camps would be completely happy with the result. Your point that systems very widely do it this way is well taken, but nevertheless if Xfce fixed it, it would make a better Xfce. For sure I'd put it well down the to-do list, but I would add it to the list.
Here's a hint. X is a visual interface and ends up on the monitor. Sound is audio and ends up in the speakers. Keyboard and mouse are completely inseparable from the visual interface and sound is not.
So you really think a human can perceive a sound desynchronization of six MILLIONTHS of a second? That's a period in which sound travels two MILLIMETERS. You could move the position of your head imperceptibly and incur a delay of that much. Do you really think moving the violins 2 mm with respect to the horns is going to be perceptible in a concert hall?
Do you want to try that again?
Unless - gasp - social funds, not private investments, are used to develop new drugs. That way we don't have to worry about making a few pigs filthy rich as a side effect of the process.
Gee, sounds like exactly what governments ought to be doing, to me.
All I can say is no browser I have ever used "flickers", and I have "use hardware acceleration" checked in at least a couple of them. None of them have smooth scroll, which I detest.
Go back to school, and lose the chip on your shoulder.
I don't think so. A negotiation of pay for services involves only the final drop-dead figure for what you are willing to work for, and the final drop-dead figure for what the client is willing to pay. The only basis for an agreement is that your figure is lower than his figure, and there is someplace between the two that you can agree on. It's a difficult and nerve-wracking process because neither of you can possibly know what the other guy's figure is.
How much he pays others, or how much you charge others, is really no consideration at all in the process. These are considerations of business ethics and whether you and he will be successful businessmen.
You give them free food and drink in the break room??? Traitor!!!
And you don't think the brother is discriminating in favor of family and against all others in the workplace? You think lover is a magic category? I'm just asking. I don't know the answer. I don't know where the line is drawn. I just know that when you do start drawing lines of what is and what isn't discrimination, you are building a smug sense of entitlement in some and discontent in others.
How about when you have 316 tabs open? I's using 3.9 GB plus another 0.6 for plugin-container for me.
"Flickering" - what are you talking about?
You mean it's not true that 640 Kbps is enough for anyone? :-)
He probably lives in an actual forward thinking country with a functioning economy. The AVERAGE broadband data rate in Japan is 61 Mbps; Korea 46 Mbps; Finland 22 Mbps, Sweden 18.2 Mbps; France 17.6 Mbps. The US? 15th place, 4.8 Mbps - well below Portugal and a little better than Hungary and Slovak Republic.
The price in Japan is 27 cents/Mbps; Korea 46 cents/Mbps. The US? Brace yourself. $3.33/Mbps.
These figures are over a year old, but I bet the disparity has not closed.
That's funny; I need 100 Mbps for ONE user - and would actually like more than that. OK I only have 16 now but I NEED 100.
2 kW is plenty to cover the AVERAGE energy use, but not enough to cover peaks for many if not most homes. If any of: stove, clothes drier, water heater are electric, it would fall flat on its face if one or some combination of those, plus maybe a toaster, microwave, or hair drier, just happened to be running at the same time. And that's not even counting electric primary or supplemental heat.
Hint: all of those are 0.5-1+ kW apiece. An electric oven alone is 2kW. Maybe that's why 8-12 kW is the normal provisioning of power to a home even without electric heat - to cover peaks.
66 of those 84 were on two airships whose crossings took days uring which the crews slept and ate comfortably, so there were really only 18 who made the crossing in airplanes before Lindbergh, and NONE of them flew solo, which was a huge accomplishment.
Cellophane had been known for a long time and was easily available industrially - it was used on cigarette packs and other packaging. A pound of cellophane film would have been enough for hundreds of stills (cellophane is pretty flimsy and tears easily). That and a light aluminum framework and some bowls would have been cheap insurance that wouldn't have impacted the plane's payload meaningfully.
I don't think pointing your own gun or laser at a fascist CAMERA is a very smart thing to do. It might be transmitting in real time. Hell, it's not even smart to recommend it. I certainly don't. It is easy, however, to imagine other ways - strictly as a mental exercise.
Right now the fascists are in hog heaven because they have a monopoly on drones. However, it's pretty easy for citizens and bands of citizens to manufacture their own drones at a cost of 1% or 0.1%, maybe 0.01% of what those morons pay for theirs. Just imagine a sky black with rebel drones taking out the fascist drones and cameras.
Just sayin'. Get the popcorn; the show could be interesting.
Start here; I tend to take mistaken pronouncements seriously. I'm willing to entertain the idea that is a character flaw as long as it is understood that it stems from a passion for truth.
We see firstly that wealth, the abundance of valuable resources or material possessions, has nothing to do with money or valuation.
It follows therefore that service transactions, which result only in the exchange of wealth for service (money being usually used as a proxy), do not add to or subtract from the global supply of wealth.
Right... now realize the value of everything is nothing but a illusion and go back to square one of your poor reasoning.
Sorry, coward. That may or may not be true, but has absolutely NOTHING to do with the point. Wealth has nothing to do with valuation.
Whenever two parties exchange goods, services and/or money in a freely chosen transaction, they are presumably both giving up something they value less for something they value more, and therefore the net product of the economy has risen. To say that only the creation of tangible objects can lead to the creation of wealth is not, in fact, generally accepted.
Sorry, coward. That's full of shit. Wealth: "abundance of valuable material possessions or resources". You haven't ended up with more material possessions or resources.
You were doing well until the absurd non sequitur of the last paragraph.