>" many Apple fans snickered. [...]Steve Jobs famously said in 2010, "If you see a stylus, they blew it." [...]And most recently, we've seen Apple pull a literal 180 on this design and platform approach,"
This is nothing new. Apple and/or Apple fans tends to ridicule anything they don't have (note I didn't say "design", because MANY things were first to market in other devices... most notably in high-end Android phones.) Remember smart watches in 2013-2014? Remember notifications? Remember Google Wallet? Remember NFC? Remember large sizes? Just a few things that quickly come to mind.
Apple tends to have some great designs and solid equipment. But they are rarely first anymore- they are more reactionary now.
>>"i think people should be able to decide for themselves how much safety equipment they want to have"
>"That would be fine if the only people who suffered were the people who made the bad decisions. In this case, however, it's not only the inattentive-and-cheap car owner who suffers, but also whatever (or whomever) he runs into."
Now THAT is a slippery slope if ever I saw one. MOST things that people do, even if in just some remote way, can affect others. Financially, through insurance costs, if nothing else (and that excuse is being used more and more to control our lives now). That doesn't mean society should control everything we do and buy in the name of safety.
>"Law Professor: Tech Companies Are Our Best Hope At Resisting Surveillance"
Except they (tech companies) are just as guilty for surveillance. Plus, all the data they do gather is still information that the government can obtain legally through warrants and "illegally" through other means (which WILL continue).
> It ended very badly: when a couple state governmental agencies started using ConstantContact for various newsletters between related org
I can completely understand your situation. That is what caused us some issues too- some national organizations, ones we actually PAID to be a part of, decided to use those scumbags (Constant Contact) and some of my users were affected. But we stood fast and explained in detail to the organization sending them and the users exactly what was going on and why. Most of those organization still uses CC, but several now they also have a SEPARATE mailing list from their own domain to send my users important things. And it turns out WE WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES BLOCKING CC.
>The industry has come to the conclusion that opt-in marketing newsletters are not Unsolicited, and if it's not unsolicited, there have been cases where providers were successfully sued over blocking the messages.
Well, that is correct- opt-in marketing junk isn't spam. But the issue is that 100% of what I personally get from such marketing firms I *NEVER* requested. So all of it was spam to me. If I looked at ALL the Email coming in from most of those firms, 99+% of it was never opt-in by anyone, so it was spam.
Of course, by blocking those firms, it also blocks the very tiny part of non-spam marketing that a few of my users *did* request. But in those cases:
1) Most of it was not work related 2) Most of it that was work related was not important 3) We decided, as a facility, that the blocking of the marketing houses which stopped 99% of their spam was more important than allowing a very, very tiny portion of non-spam through with questionable value.
Again, we are not an ISP, so we can do whatever we want. I don't think an ISP should block such places unless they have permission from each customer.
The 360.1 and.2 have at least 24 hours and usually far more hours of battery life per charge with normal use. When I get home from work after 9 hours off the charger, it usually has about 75% battery remaining.
As long as you can go a waking day (16-18 hours) on a charge, it doesn't matter. You charge your phone every day, so you charge your watch every day. Put it on the charger before bed.
No big whoop. I have used the 360.1 for a year. Not ONCE have I ever needed to charge it more than once in a 24 hour period. Oh, and if you really did have to charge it and put it back on (can't imagine why) charging it is very fast- like 20 min to 80% or something.
I have been wearing it for a year, hardly ever notice the slice at the bottom of the screen. And I know several people who also have the 360 and none of them really notice or care. Having the light sensor that goes with it is FAR more important, trust me. I would love to have BOTH a light sensor and no cut out to go along with the tiny bezel, but that is still just not really possible.
If I could have any change for the 360, it would be either thinner or always-on display (for non-sport). The 360.2 offers neither. Everything else is fine in the first version (display res, battery life, speed, charging, style, reliability, functionality, etc). The 360.1 has been a really solid and decent smart watch.
Here is my take on the changes coming with the 360.2 from what I could gather from different sources:
Better * Faster processor * More cores * Higher resolution * Lugs for better looks and easier band changing * Three sizes: Same men's 46mm dia, new men's smaller 42mm dia version with wide band, and women's 42mm with narrow band. * Larger battery (in the 46mm version only) * Moved button for easier access * Sport version with hybrid, transflective, always-on display
Same * Same storage & memory:) * Same light sensor and other sensors:) * Same bluetooth and WiFi:) * Same thickness:( * Same wireless charging:) * Same lack of speaker:| * Same display tech, except sport version:| * Android Wear:) * Small bezel with angled cut glass:) * Same tiny slice on bottom of display for light sensor:|
Other * Stone leather band not available for men:( * Lack of always-on-display version for non-sport (bummer) * Unknown weights * Unknown availability of sport version- non-sport preorders now
Not sure if I will upgrade from the 360.1 to the 360.2 or not. I am quite happy with the first version at this point. The new features are compelling enough for me, but I was hoping for either an always-on screen or a thinner watch. Since I don't do "sports watches" (plastic/silicone=gross), I would have neither improvement. I could go for the SMALLER men's (since I can't have thinner), which would likely be less stress on my wrist (CTS), but smaller = harder to read for my older eyes, and I wouldn't gain the extra battery (not that I really need it- almost 2 days is more than enough right now). But they also dropped the color band I want (stone grey). Decisions, decisions....
>Note that I said the Apple Watch at the start of that, because although the Pebble Time has some nice features
I don't disagree with your posting, but I am puzzled as to why you are going on about the Apple and Pebble watches, when the topic is the Moto 360. You weren't replying to anything, so it seems a bit odd.
>Try running an ISP, even a small one with just a few hundred users, and watch how much bitching you have to deal with when you block ConstantContact, MailChimp, SendGrid, etc..
We get some rare/occasional bitching, and we explain why we do what we do, and they are then appreciative of our very low spam rate and find some work-around.
One can't do that as an ISP, since it is like censorship. But we are not an ISP and can do what we want. Most people *like* getting rid of all the marketing **** Email. Rarely it is an issue with some newsletter or whatnot that we can't get, and if it is important, the sender can send it directly from their own domain (and usually they are cooperative in such cases).
The reality is the reputation of a sender can be VERY tarnished by using a third-party mailing system. Not my problem. They are free to use a third-party, I am free to block those third-parties.
>"The biggest problem is We have no idea when it is happening, or if there are complaints, which messages are actually true spam, and which messages are just "legitimate marketing" that look spammy."
Is there a difference? Spam includes UCE (Unrequested Commercial Email). Unrequested marketing junk *is* spam. I report it as such and ban most mail servers that send such stuff to my users. When I first started doing that many years ago, the very first to be banned, permanently, was Constant Contact. And boy were they pissed! They actually tried to tell my users we were doing something wrong and went over my head to try and be removed (and the CEO laughed at them). Now I ban several hundred such marketing houses.
>"Nobody really sends detailed abuse complaints anymore or provide any data that could be meaningfully used for reliable spam content identification without false positives. They just put IP addresses straight to blacklist"
The word "nobody" is pretty strong. I report *every* spam I get, in detail, to spamcop. Thankfully it is only a few messages a week that slip through, but I take the time to do it.
You might not like RBL's, but they are a keystone to our anti-spam. We don't do automated content examination or even ratings at all. Just greylisting, country banning, several RBL's, dropping messages with improper headers, checking that the domains on the Email server and sender are actually valid, and our own blacklist (coupled with a whitelist for both filtering and greylisting for those places that we consider mission important).
Get over it! If you don't like it, don't watch it. And if you have children, it is YOUR OWN FAULT if you allow them access. And if you didn't KNOW it was going to offend you- get a life and read reviews first.
>" Do you remember first seeing or installing Windows 95? Do you have any systems still running it? "
I was installing Linux at the time, not MS-Windows. And yes, I still have almost all my systems running it (although not the same version, of course, and certainly not the same distro).
Poor Microsofty serf... so sorry to offend you. And yes, I have a 75" high-end TV, whatever that matters.
Oh, my mouse is Microsoft, also. They can't make an OS worth a damn, have destroyed innovation for decades, have cost consumers and taxpayers countless billions of wasted dollars, have illegally ruined tons of competitors, but certainly have made some very decent keyboards and mice!
>"its embedded server encryption hardware that tests the authenticity of a platform and its operating system before sharing data"
Translation: "Use our proprietary hardware and software and forget about using anything open-source like Linux".
Reminds me a lot of that horrible, crappy "Trusteer" junk that some banks are trying to force on people, especially corporate customers. https://www.trusteer.com/Prote...
I have had a 360 since it came out and I am pretty picky. But the "flat tire" part doesn't bother me at all. The 360 is a great design with lots of nice features (besides being very rugged, stylish, and affordable).
Please note, the "incredibly short video" is not of any real watch, it is just an animated mockup. So although I don't think it matters much either way, it doesn't prove anything at all.
>"The industry format for graphic designs is PSD so The Gimp (XCF) is not really an option."
That has to be the stupidest statement I have read in a week. Who cares what the "industry format" is for "graphic design"? That has nothing to do with a web coding school. And GIMP opens PSD files just fine. Did you even TRY this before posting?
There are cases where it is difficult to replace an MS-Windows environment. Web development is certainly not one of them.
>"But deadly force should only be used to defend people, not stuff."
What about pets? Seems to me there are more than just two categories. Would you consider them "stuff" or "people"?
I know if I believed someone were seriously threatening bodily harm for one of my cats in my house or on my property, I would view that as no different than a threatening a family member. It is a live entity that I love and cannot be replaced.
>"Non-experts are less likely to use password managers: some find them difficult to use, some don't realize how helpful they can be, and others are simply reluctant to (as they see it) "write" passwords down."
Yeah, because only non-experts would worry about a closed-source, unknown, third party having access to all their extremely sensitive passwords, stored on a server outside their control, stored with unknown methodology, connected to the Internet, with who-knows what access to the data.
>"you will be able to do the same from your wayland desktop, just like you can do it from your OSX desktop or your Windows desktop. Just install an X server app and away you go."
We have heard that before. And I will believe it when I see it actually working, and working correctly in the real world, and with network performance at least as good as X, and working with *all* Xclients.
Tell me, how would one manage thin client machines that run ONLY an Xserver and use XDMCP? And also when that user has Xclients launching from other non-login hosts too? And sometimes even local Xclients. We do ALL that in our environment.
>"The GNOME idiots have been making it a point to break compatibility and remove "old" (aka "working", "currently used") features. You are delusional if you think they will continue supporting X once they declare the Wayland version to be "standard"."
BINGO!!!! +1000
And then other projects will marginalize their X ports too, perhaps LibreOffice, perhaps Firefox, who knows. But at some point there will be no way to continue to really run a full-blown X11 workstation, and that *SUCKS*. Because rest assured, there are some severe issues and limitations with Wayland. Of course they are going to dismiss those as "old stuff nobody cares about anymore". Or point to some unstable demo code that nobody cares about. Or some ridiculously complex work-around that is flaky at best.
I am certainly not opposed to Wayland in CONCEPT. The problem is that it won't be adding something new we can choose, it will be something that destroys X11 and negates any possibility of improving X to something like X12.
>This statement is fundamentally crap. Every day I run multiple kde 4 applications on multiple systems back to a single desktop with ssh. The applications are not degraded and I don't have to disable any X11 features to do it.
If I had mod points, I would mod you up AND the parent of your reply down.
We use remote X even when it is not remote- thin clients. X11 works great both locally and remotely. I do wish that there was an X12 effort rather than the attempt to throw X completely away... which I am quite certain this is where it is headed with Wayland. And I absolutely know this is going to be a nightmare for me when projects stop supporting X11 for reasons that most people are not expecting or covering.
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>" many Apple fans snickered. [...]Steve Jobs famously said in 2010, "If you see a stylus, they blew it." [...]And most recently, we've seen Apple pull a literal 180 on this design and platform approach,"
This is nothing new. Apple and/or Apple fans tends to ridicule anything they don't have (note I didn't say "design", because MANY things were first to market in other devices... most notably in high-end Android phones.) Remember smart watches in 2013-2014? Remember notifications? Remember Google Wallet? Remember NFC? Remember large sizes? Just a few things that quickly come to mind.
Apple tends to have some great designs and solid equipment. But they are rarely first anymore- they are more reactionary now.
>>"i think people should be able to decide for themselves how much safety equipment they want to have"
>"That would be fine if the only people who suffered were the people who made the bad decisions. In this case, however, it's not only the inattentive-and-cheap car owner who suffers, but also whatever (or whomever) he runs into."
Now THAT is a slippery slope if ever I saw one. MOST things that people do, even if in just some remote way, can affect others. Financially, through insurance costs, if nothing else (and that excuse is being used more and more to control our lives now). That doesn't mean society should control everything we do and buy in the name of safety.
Freedom and safety are diametrically opposed.
>"Law Professor: Tech Companies Are Our Best Hope At Resisting Surveillance"
Except they (tech companies) are just as guilty for surveillance. Plus, all the data they do gather is still information that the government can obtain legally through warrants and "illegally" through other means (which WILL continue).
>You are presumably too young to remember when phones lasted a couple of weeks before needing to be charged.
Hardly. Let's say I have watched times from NO cell phones until now.
>People are prepared to accept the sacrifice to get the goodies on a smartphone, but that doesn't make it acceptable on a watch.
It isn't a sacrifice to place the watch on a charger pad instead of placing it not on a charger pad when one takes it off before going to bed.
> It ended very badly: when a couple state governmental agencies started using ConstantContact for various newsletters between related org
I can completely understand your situation. That is what caused us some issues too- some national organizations, ones we actually PAID to be a part of, decided to use those scumbags (Constant Contact) and some of my users were affected. But we stood fast and explained in detail to the organization sending them and the users exactly what was going on and why. Most of those organization still uses CC, but several now they also have a SEPARATE mailing list from their own domain to send my users important things. And it turns out WE WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES BLOCKING CC.
>The industry has come to the conclusion that opt-in marketing newsletters are not Unsolicited, and if it's not unsolicited, there have been cases where providers were successfully sued over blocking the messages.
Well, that is correct- opt-in marketing junk isn't spam. But the issue is that 100% of what I personally get from such marketing firms I *NEVER* requested. So all of it was spam to me. If I looked at ALL the Email coming in from most of those firms, 99+% of it was never opt-in by anyone, so it was spam.
Of course, by blocking those firms, it also blocks the very tiny part of non-spam marketing that a few of my users *did* request. But in those cases:
1) Most of it was not work related
2) Most of it that was work related was not important
3) We decided, as a facility, that the blocking of the marketing houses which stopped 99% of their spam was more important than allowing a very, very tiny portion of non-spam through with questionable value.
Again, we are not an ISP, so we can do whatever we want. I don't think an ISP should block such places unless they have permission from each customer.
Yes, it HAS been beaten to death.
The 360.1 and .2 have at least 24 hours and usually far more hours of battery life per charge with normal use. When I get home from work after 9 hours off the charger, it usually has about 75% battery remaining.
As long as you can go a waking day (16-18 hours) on a charge, it doesn't matter. You charge your phone every day, so you charge your watch every day. Put it on the charger before bed.
No big whoop. I have used the 360.1 for a year. Not ONCE have I ever needed to charge it more than once in a 24 hour period. Oh, and if you really did have to charge it and put it back on (can't imagine why) charging it is very fast- like 20 min to 80% or something.
I have been wearing it for a year, hardly ever notice the slice at the bottom of the screen. And I know several people who also have the 360 and none of them really notice or care. Having the light sensor that goes with it is FAR more important, trust me. I would love to have BOTH a light sensor and no cut out to go along with the tiny bezel, but that is still just not really possible.
If I could have any change for the 360, it would be either thinner or always-on display (for non-sport). The 360.2 offers neither. Everything else is fine in the first version (display res, battery life, speed, charging, style, reliability, functionality, etc). The 360.1 has been a really solid and decent smart watch.
Here is my take on the changes coming with the 360.2 from what I could gather from different sources:
Better
* Faster processor
* More cores
* Higher resolution
* Lugs for better looks and easier band changing
* Three sizes: Same men's 46mm dia, new men's smaller 42mm dia version with wide band, and women's 42mm with narrow band.
* Larger battery (in the 46mm version only)
* Moved button for easier access
* Sport version with hybrid, transflective, always-on display
Same :) :) :) :( :) :| :| :) :) :|
* Same storage & memory
* Same light sensor and other sensors
* Same bluetooth and WiFi
* Same thickness
* Same wireless charging
* Same lack of speaker
* Same display tech, except sport version
* Android Wear
* Small bezel with angled cut glass
* Same tiny slice on bottom of display for light sensor
Other :(
* Stone leather band not available for men
* Lack of always-on-display version for non-sport (bummer)
* Unknown weights
* Unknown availability of sport version- non-sport preorders now
Not sure if I will upgrade from the 360.1 to the 360.2 or not. I am quite happy with the first version at this point. The new features are compelling enough for me, but I was hoping for either an always-on screen or a thinner watch. Since I don't do "sports watches" (plastic/silicone=gross), I would have neither improvement. I could go for the SMALLER men's (since I can't have thinner), which would likely be less stress on my wrist (CTS), but smaller = harder to read for my older eyes, and I wouldn't gain the extra battery (not that I really need it- almost 2 days is more than enough right now). But they also dropped the color band I want (stone grey). Decisions, decisions....
>Note that I said the Apple Watch at the start of that, because although the Pebble Time has some nice features
I don't disagree with your posting, but I am puzzled as to why you are going on about the Apple and Pebble watches, when the topic is the Moto 360. You weren't replying to anything, so it seems a bit odd.
I would so mod you down if I could. Your view is completely narrow and whacked. Wearing a watch is *nothing* like wearing Glass.
>Moto 360 can't take calls and doesn't have a big screen like the Saumsung watch
1) It is a watch, not a phone.
2) It is not proprietary like Samsung stuff, but open... using Wear
3) The screen is plenty big enough
>Either this is bullshit
Nope
> or you have a total of 10 users.
I have 171 users.
>Try running an ISP, even a small one with just a few hundred users, and watch how much bitching you have to deal with when you block ConstantContact, MailChimp, SendGrid, etc..
We get some rare/occasional bitching, and we explain why we do what we do, and they are then appreciative of our very low spam rate and find some work-around.
One can't do that as an ISP, since it is like censorship. But we are not an ISP and can do what we want. Most people *like* getting rid of all the marketing **** Email. Rarely it is an issue with some newsletter or whatnot that we can't get, and if it is important, the sender can send it directly from their own domain (and usually they are cooperative in such cases).
The reality is the reputation of a sender can be VERY tarnished by using a third-party mailing system. Not my problem. They are free to use a third-party, I am free to block those third-parties.
>"The biggest problem is We have no idea when it is happening, or if there are complaints, which messages are actually true spam, and which messages are just "legitimate marketing" that look spammy."
Is there a difference? Spam includes UCE (Unrequested Commercial Email). Unrequested marketing junk *is* spam. I report it as such and ban most mail servers that send such stuff to my users. When I first started doing that many years ago, the very first to be banned, permanently, was Constant Contact. And boy were they pissed! They actually tried to tell my users we were doing something wrong and went over my head to try and be removed (and the CEO laughed at them). Now I ban several hundred such marketing houses.
>"Nobody really sends detailed abuse complaints anymore or provide any data that could be meaningfully used for reliable spam content identification without false positives. They just put IP addresses straight to blacklist"
The word "nobody" is pretty strong. I report *every* spam I get, in detail, to spamcop. Thankfully it is only a few messages a week that slip through, but I take the time to do it.
You might not like RBL's, but they are a keystone to our anti-spam. We don't do automated content examination or even ratings at all. Just greylisting, country banning, several RBL's, dropping messages with improper headers, checking that the domains on the Email server and sender are actually valid, and our own blacklist (coupled with a whitelist for both filtering and greylisting for those places that we consider mission important).
Get over it! If you don't like it, don't watch it. And if you have children, it is YOUR OWN FAULT if you allow them access. And if you didn't KNOW it was going to offend you- get a life and read reviews first.
Yeesh
>" Do you remember first seeing or installing Windows 95? Do you have any systems still running it? "
I was installing Linux at the time, not MS-Windows. And yes, I still have almost all my systems running it (although not the same version, of course, and certainly not the same distro).
Poor Microsofty serf... so sorry to offend you. And yes, I have a 75" high-end TV, whatever that matters.
Oh, my mouse is Microsoft, also. They can't make an OS worth a damn, have destroyed innovation for decades, have cost consumers and taxpayers countless billions of wasted dollars, have illegally ruined tons of competitors, but certainly have made some very decent keyboards and mice!
I have a split Microsoft Wireless Natural at home (yes, a huge offense as a Linux-only user) and the 6 is on the left.
And at work (also Linux-only of course) I have some type of split Logitech and 6 is also on the left.
I am thinking left is probably right (pun intended).
>"its embedded server encryption hardware that tests the authenticity of a platform and its operating system before sharing data"
Translation: "Use our proprietary hardware and software and forget about using anything open-source like Linux".
Reminds me a lot of that horrible, crappy "Trusteer" junk that some banks are trying to force on people, especially corporate customers. https://www.trusteer.com/Prote...
I have had a 360 since it came out and I am pretty picky. But the "flat tire" part doesn't bother me at all. The 360 is a great design with lots of nice features (besides being very rugged, stylish, and affordable).
Please note, the "incredibly short video" is not of any real watch, it is just an animated mockup. So although I don't think it matters much either way, it doesn't prove anything at all.
>"Driving while drunk is a bad idea even on a bike"
Doing most anything that requires movement or thinking is a bad idea while drug intoxicated.
>"The industry format for graphic designs is PSD so The Gimp (XCF) is not really an option."
That has to be the stupidest statement I have read in a week. Who cares what the "industry format" is for "graphic design"? That has nothing to do with a web coding school. And GIMP opens PSD files just fine. Did you even TRY this before posting?
There are cases where it is difficult to replace an MS-Windows environment. Web development is certainly not one of them.
>"But deadly force should only be used to defend people, not stuff."
What about pets? Seems to me there are more than just two categories. Would you consider them "stuff" or "people"?
I know if I believed someone were seriously threatening bodily harm for one of my cats in my house or on my property, I would view that as no different than a threatening a family member. It is a live entity that I love and cannot be replaced.
Just curious...
>"Non-experts are less likely to use password managers: some find them difficult to use, some don't realize how helpful they can be, and others are simply reluctant to (as they see it) "write" passwords down."
Yeah, because only non-experts would worry about a closed-source, unknown, third party having access to all their extremely sensitive passwords, stored on a server outside their control, stored with unknown methodology, connected to the Internet, with who-knows what access to the data.
Yeah, only non-experts should be worried.
>"you will be able to do the same from your wayland desktop, just like you can do it from your OSX desktop or your Windows desktop. Just install an X server app and away you go."
We have heard that before. And I will believe it when I see it actually working, and working correctly in the real world, and with network performance at least as good as X, and working with *all* Xclients.
Tell me, how would one manage thin client machines that run ONLY an Xserver and use XDMCP? And also when that user has Xclients launching from other non-login hosts too? And sometimes even local Xclients. We do ALL that in our environment.
>"The GNOME idiots have been making it a point to break compatibility and remove "old" (aka "working", "currently used") features. You are delusional if you think they will continue supporting X once they declare the Wayland version to be "standard"."
BINGO!!!! +1000
And then other projects will marginalize their X ports too, perhaps LibreOffice, perhaps Firefox, who knows. But at some point there will be no way to continue to really run a full-blown X11 workstation, and that *SUCKS*. Because rest assured, there are some severe issues and limitations with Wayland. Of course they are going to dismiss those as "old stuff nobody cares about anymore". Or point to some unstable demo code that nobody cares about. Or some ridiculously complex work-around that is flaky at best.
I am certainly not opposed to Wayland in CONCEPT. The problem is that it won't be adding something new we can choose, it will be something that destroys X11 and negates any possibility of improving X to something like X12.
>This statement is fundamentally crap. Every day I run multiple kde 4 applications on multiple systems back to a single desktop with ssh. The applications are not degraded and I don't have to disable any X11 features to do it.
If I had mod points, I would mod you up AND the parent of your reply down.
We use remote X even when it is not remote- thin clients. X11 works great both locally and remotely. I do wish that there was an X12 effort rather than the attempt to throw X completely away... which I am quite certain this is where it is headed with Wayland. And I absolutely know this is going to be a nightmare for me when projects stop supporting X11 for reasons that most people are not expecting or covering.