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Ask Slashdot: Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand?

New submitter ne0phyte73 writes: In some countries and in some touch typing books key "6" is pressed with right hand and in some others with left. It's not a big issue until you have a split keyboard. Guys at UHK are putting it on the left side. Do you agree? What hand do you use to press "6"? Left hand here, but it's not a strong preference; I'll take a keyboard that omits Caps Lock wherever they put the 6.

240 comments

  1. I don't. by digsbo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I press the "3" key twice, really fast.

    1. Re:I don't. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I press "6" with my middle finger, three times.

    2. Re:I don't. by nightcats · · Score: 1

      S in the LH
      then I in the RH
      and X in the LH

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    3. Re:I don't. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      I press the "9" on my reversed keyboard.

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    4. Re:I don't. by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2

      I use the keypad with num lock on

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    5. Re:I don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't ever type 6. It's too close to typing 666 and that's scary.

    6. Re:I don't. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      AltGr-O

      Or type roku and use the IME to select the numeral.

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    7. Re:I don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the correct answer. If you're using the number keys above the letter keys, you're doing it wrong.

    8. Re: I don't. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The opposite hand to the one holding the phone. Score one for being ambidextrous (which often happens when you start off as a lefty)

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    9. Re: I don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start off? I'm ambidextrous and have been my entire life, I didn't start off as either left or right handed, I started off as ambidextrous.

    10. Re:I don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ask Slashdot: Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand?"

      As an engineer, my first response is: Yes.

      Alternate answer: No, I use the tip of my left pointer finger.

  2. Right side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Left index is weaker. Although I don't type numbers enough to be a real touch typist with them. And I type 100 WPM.

    1. Re:Right side by Megane · · Score: 1

      "I use a base 5 numbering system, you insensitive clods!"

      But seriously, as someone who properly learned touch-typing in high school in the '80s, left side 45/RT/FG/VB, right side 67/YU/HJ/NM. But I support having the 6 on both sides of those split keyboards.

      For the people whining that they can't fit on both sides, most split keyboards are not edge-to-edge, and it would only be a minor inconvenience for manufacturers to make a double-6.. Just GIS for "split keyboard" In fact, it looks like edge-to-edge is actually less common than 6-on-right!

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    2. Re:Right side by camg188 · · Score: 2

      Left hand for 5, right hand for 6, like it's supposed to be.

      Next question: To capitalize, do you use the Shift key with the hand opposite of the hand typing the capitalized letter? ie.: type "A" with right hand on shift key and "J" with left hand on shift key?
      Oh snap, I forgot that nobody cares.

  3. Numpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I use the numpad almost always.

    1. Re:Numpad by alzoron · · Score: 1

      Member of Team Number Pad chiming in.

    2. Re:Numpad by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      I use the numpad almost always.

      This. If I ever do use the other key it's with my left hand. Y is used less than T in English so my keyboard has the T/6 closer to the left index than the right.

    3. Re:Numpad by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      I never (ever) use the number pad.

      I learned to type on an Underwood office typewriter in Typing Class in school, and I learned to type numbers by entering machine language programs out of Run magazine on my Commodore 64 (using their MLX program). No number pad on a C64, so I never got used to using one.

      Today, I never touch the number pad on my computer keyboard. Ever. If it was missing I wouldn't notice at all. Could use the extra desk space for something else, even.

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    4. Re:Numpad by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      If you ever work with numbers on a regular basis, like in a spreadsheet, it's SO much faster to use the numpad.

    5. Re:Numpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly certain you can get a keyboard with no number pad...

    6. Re:Numpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really. On the numpad, you're limited to three fingers and the occasional thumb (for zero). On the typewriter part, you can use all 8 fingers for the numbers. I am very very fast at both, and I find the numpad to actually be slower.

    7. Re:Numpad by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      I use the numpad almost always.

      I don't have a numpad you insensitive clod! I have a Happy Hacking keyboard.

      However when typing I just sort of launch my fingers at the keyboard and hit the keys in the required order. This comes from typing from an early age. I never learned 'proper' touch typing, but the muscle memory is pretty well ingrained and I can type faster than I can think of what to type.

      So whatever finger is close to the six and fits in the logic sequence of where my fingers need to go will be the one that hits the 6 (right hand that time - Left hand hit the 'e' of the the, so the right hand was ready and available to hit the 6).

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    8. Re:Numpad by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain you can get a keyboard with no number pad...

      Get this one.. http://www.amazon.com/Happy-Ha...

      Really, it's worth the wonga.

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    9. Re:Numpad by trabby · · Score: 1

      The numpad also has a convenient enter key and arrows to just the left of it. Much better for spreadsheets and calculator style work.

    10. Re:Numpad by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      Apple wireless keyboard was made for you.

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    11. Re:Numpad by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      The numpad is set up for accounting types and other number crunchers that do 10-key adding machine so fast you can't see their fingers move. I'm not quite that fast, but I do numerical data entry much faster on the numpad. I really wish Apple would do a wireless keyboard with one.

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    12. Re:Numpad by GNious · · Score: 1

      but do you use the numpad with your right, or left hand?

    13. Re:Numpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use all three.
      If I'm typing lots of text and suddenly there is a six I might type it with right.
      If I'm typing a password or some string of random letters where I look at my keyboard I'll probably use left.
      If I'm typing in lots of numbers I'll use numpad.

    14. Re:Numpad by Schmorgluck · · Score: 1

      Same here, for the simple reason that using the top row to type numbers is not very convenient on an AZERTY keyboard.

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    15. Re:Numpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's form over function keyboards aren't made for anyone who does anything other than a trivial amount of typing.

  4. Right side, because that's where the number pad is by the_humeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I use the number pad a lot more often than the top row of number keys.

  5. Both. by Macdude · · Score: 1

    It depends on what key I'm hitting just before it and with which hand.
    Perhaps the split-keyboard designers could solve the issue by putting a 6 key on both halves.

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    1. Re:Both. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please no. What a waste--duplicating a key that's not a modifier?

      5 numbers for the left hand. (1-5)
      5 numbers for the right hand. (6-0)

      It's not complicated.

    2. Re:Both. by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      It's not just the numbers in that top row though. You have ` 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = Backspace, fourteen keys and frequently backspace is slightly larger. So ` through 6 would more logically be on the left. Which is also where it has been on any split keyboard I have ever owned so I don't really see why this is an article.

    3. Re:Both. by D.McG. · · Score: 1

      Actually:

      7 keys for the left hand (tilde, 1-6)
      7 keys for the right hand (7-0, minus, equals, backspace)

      I prefer the keyboard to be centered on the screen.

      While looking at the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard I noticed that the N key is taking up the space of two keys. Many folks have pointed out that the B key is centered below G and H of an inline keyboard. Those who press the B key ambidextrously have complained about it on ergonomic keyboards. While I don't want to see the 6 key doubled up, I do see merit in placing a duplicate B key on the right half; especially with room pre-allocated for it.

    4. Re:Both. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You're exactly right! And precisely why I hate split ergonomic keyboards.

      Here's a cluestick Logitech, Microsoft, etc., other split keyboard manufacturers:

      Put the bloody 5,6,T,Y,G,H,B,N keys on BOTH sides of the split keyboard.

    5. Re:Both. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use a Kinesis so there are 6 keys per hand. +/= and 1-5 left, 6-0 -/_ right.
      Everything is divided equally between the two hands, with no more staggered keys leaving ambiguities.

    6. Re:Both. by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      Buy a keyboard with programmable key displays, then program the keyboard however you like.

    7. Re:Both. by Venerable+Vegetable · · Score: 1

      Hehe, I think you're on to something. Why don't we skip the hassle of splitting a keyboard and arguing about which keys go where? Let's just use two complete keyboards, one for each hand.

    8. Re:Both. by danberlyoung · · Score: 1

      +1 on the Kinesis. My Advantage has it on the right and that's the way I was taught in high school typing class as well. It's a longer reach but it's in the same 'column' as the Y, H and N and therefore the right hand.

  6. The "6" is on the number pad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any accountant knows that.

  7. My numeric key pad is on right side of keyboard by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So I use my right hand to press the "6" key (and any other number key, for that matter).

  8. It falls on the left side of the keyboard by bhcompy · · Score: 1

    It falls on the left side of the keyboard. So use the numpad like a normal person.

  9. Depends by sk999 · · Score: 2

    Whichever finger is closest to the 6 key wins. It's the American way.

    1. Re:Depends by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      Yup. I really struggled as there were a few characters (YHN, and less so, TGB) that I type with both hands on a normal keyboard, but I avidly prefer ergonomic designs. The Microsoft Natural 4000 is my favourite. But I'd love it if the 6TGB and 7YHN were duplicated on both the left and right side.

      I picked up the habit by keeping my pointer fingers on the D and H back when F# keys were on the far left, and then GJ or GK after the F# keys moved to the top. I have big hands, long fingers, and can reach the entire keyboard that way, but it kept me going faster when I grabbed a drink.

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    2. Re: Depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have F sharp keys? For functional programming or for music?

    3. Re:Depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. Left or right index finger, depending on which happens to be closed, which is somewhat related to the previous letters/digits. (it's the Dutch way too)
      (If you are a computer programmer, and 2 or 10-finger typing makes a measurable difference, you are doing it wrong, or you are a typist instead of a programmer.)

    4. Re: Depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feeling a little dull today, huh? It happens.

  10. My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the left by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 4, Informative

    My Microsoft Natural 4000 keyboard has it on the left.

    Since I've been using Microsoft ergonomic keyboards for years, I'm now in the habit of hitting the 6 with my left forefinger.

    (Microsoft can't make a decent operating system, but their keyboards and mice are first class.)

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  11. They got it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whichever side it's on the "B" key should be on the same side...

    1. Re:They got it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      B is centered. 6 falls to the left of B, so 6 should be on the left half.

    2. Re:They got it wrong by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 0

      B is centered. 6 falls to the left of B, so 6 should be on the left half.

      This. Just looked at three keyboards and they are consistent. (Breaking my rule of never responding to ACs.)

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    3. Re:They got it wrong by Megane · · Score: 1

      When doing a GIS for split keyboards, I noticed that iOS has a split keyboard option for the iPad that puts B on the right side. But it also allows you to use "ghost" keys on either side of the split, so that's okay.

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  12. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by fisted · · Score: 1

    (Microsoft can't make a decent operating system, but their keyboards and mice are first class.)

    I agree, but I think the reason for this is that the only thing they have do with "their" keyboards and mice is the MS logo on it.

  13. Left by sjukfan · · Score: 1

    Sweden here and it seems like I press the 6 key with left hand. Looking at finger charts it looks like right is slightly more common

  14. This has long been settled by mileshigh · · Score: 1

    Microsoft's split KBs (e.g. 4000) have 6 on the left. Same for my fancy Goldtouch. Versions of these have been around since the 90's, all with the 6 on the left.

    1. Re:This has long been settled by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why this is even an issue--at least for American and similar keyboards. There are fourteen keys on that row. If you divide it down the middle the '6' is lotted with the left-hand side. MS' ergo keyboards make it an obvious decision, but for keyboards that aren't split, I still don't see why you would want to reach your right hand beyond it's normal range of travel to hit the '6'.

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    2. Re:This has long been settled by Misagon · · Score: 1

      I am a keyboard geek, and I collect all info I can get on split ergonomic keyboards.
      I found that among different keyboard brands there is about a 2:1 ratio of having the '6' key on the left vs. right.
      I suspect however that most brands have it on the left, because of Microsoft. (Above, I counted Microsoft as one, and discarded all direct clones.)
      On keyboards with columns instead of rows, the '6' key is always on the right side, in the same columns as 'Y', 'H' and 'N'.

      I know of one keyboard with the '6' key on both sides:
      Kinesis Evolution.

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    3. Re:This has long been settled by Megane · · Score: 1

      ...which is fine if you have fuck-all idea what "home row" means. Those of us who learned to touch type see 6YHN and 7UJM as vertical columns. The main reason that they are shifted left like that is due to mechanical typewriters where each key was connected to a bar, so they had to have the offset for all the bars to fit. I would argue that the offset angle is a major anachronism and should be reduced or eliminated, and many split keyboards actually do that.

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    4. Re:This has long been settled by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      The natural mechanics of the human body fit far better with the narrow to wide angle (from bottom to top). I suspect making the keys columnar would increase repetitive stress injuries. If you wished to challenge the QWERTY arrangement as being an anachronism then I would agree that you may well have a case.

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    5. Re:This has long been settled by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Huh. Interesting. My Microsoft Natural keyboard at home has the 6 on the left.
      At work, my Kinesis advantage keyboard has the 6 on the right.
      And I never noticed.

  15. I do it wrong by crow · · Score: 2

    I took a typing class in 10th grade (the first opportunity I had back in the 80s). It was the most practically useful class I had in high school. The class was very clear in teaching that you use your right index finger for 6 and 7, while your left does 4 and 5. Going down the keyboard, the left index finger also does T, G, and B, while the right does Y, H, and N. The only one I do wrong is 6.

    Now looking at my keyboard, 6 is almost centered between F and J, the home positions for the index fingers, but it's ever so slightly closer to F, so perhaps they were teaching the class wrong?

    1. Re:I do it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was the most practically useful class I had in high school.

      Really? I started using computer keyboards when I was 11. I've developed my own flavor of touch typing over time.

      By the time high school came around the idea of wasting a credit for someone to teach me how to type seemed a complete waste of time.

      As long as you type fast enough for your needs, who cares? I've known a couple of two finger typists who were plenty fast.

      Nobody cares what all these whiny punks who think the caps lock key should go away. A bunch of snot nosed kids who think the world revolves around them.

    2. Re:I do it wrong by xystren · · Score: 1

      Grade 9 for me in the early '80s, and while I can appreciate it, it was the worst mistake of a class that I ever took. I was already using an Apple ][+ for years, and I had my own touch typing style, was up easily to 100+ wpm. Enter typing class, and Biffffzat, now I'm lucky if I can get back to 50 or 60 wpm, even all these years later. I wish it was as easy as Yoda said, "You must unlearn what you've learned." As for the 6 key question? What ever hand is closer to it.

    3. Re:I do it wrong by crow · · Score: 1

      Yes, really. I had been using computers since 6th grade (for a unit in Gifted & Talented, they bussed us across town to the one school that had Apple IIs for a BASIC programming unit--best thing that happened to me in all of elementary school [6th grade was the last year of elementary school in that district]). I, like many others, developed my own two-fingered approach.

      I knew I wanted to touch type, but I hadn't managed to teach myself. I had been looking forward to being able to take typing in high school (9th grade was still junior high, so that meant 10th for me). Perhaps it was my attitude of embracing the class that made it work for me. In any case, I was probably at 80wpm at the end of the class. Over the next two years, I did a fair amount of typing for pay, in addition to my computer tinkering, so the skills really solidified.

      I think typing should be a required subject in school for everyone one. The only question is how early kids will be physically ready (hands large enough). I suppose by the time they implement it, voice input will finally take off and make it irrelevant by the time the kids graduate.

    4. Re:I do it wrong by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      As long as you type fast enough for your needs, who cares? I've known a couple of two finger typists who were plenty fast.

      Yeah, but it looks kind of amateurish. It's like eating with chopsticks so that you hold one stick with left hand and the other one with right hand.

    5. Re:I do it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you type fast enough for your needs, who cares? I've known a couple of two finger typists who were plenty fast.

      Yeah, but it looks kind of amateurish.

      If you're concerned about how you look when you're typing then you are a fucking shallow and vain idiot.

      Nobody gives a fuck what you look like while typing. They care what you're producing.

    6. Re:I do it wrong by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Can't help it, bub.

    7. Re:I do it wrong by Megane · · Score: 1

      You also don't have a low user ID. Back in the day (at least into the '80s), touch-typing was mostly taught in high school for girls wanting to become secretaries. Too bad that I was too nerdy to be into girls in my high school years, that would have been great.

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    8. Re:I do it wrong by Megane · · Score: 1

      And you still have to look at the keyboard when you hunt-and-peck. The point of touch-typing is to type without having to look at the keyboard.

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    9. Re:I do it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only question is how early kids will be physically ready (hands large enough).

      Well you could always get them started with those tiny little apple laptop keyboards

    10. Re:I do it wrong by brausch · · Score: 1

      I took typing class on manual typewriters in the '60s and we were taught to use the right finger. It actually is the one reason I swear at split keyboards. ;-)

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    11. Re:I do it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is literally no possibility of an error in the material presented in a 10th grade class of any kind, let alone material covering a topic such as typing, which is sure to be taught by someone highly educated on the subject.

    12. Re:I do it wrong by crow · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course the teacher couldn't be wrong. In fact, in this case he couldn't be, because he was just repeating whatever the textbook said. The textbook could be wrong, but I'm sure it was approved by many committees with rigorous overview. That's probably why there weren't any references to evolution in the textbook. :)

      Good point, though, that just because the textbook we used said to use the right index finger for '6', that doesn't mean it's the accepted standard that everyone agrees with.

    13. Re:I do it wrong by volmtech · · Score: 1

      I went to high school in the late 60s. I had taught myself to type during the summer and only took typing class for an easy credit. Being left handed I used my left thumb for the space bar. I was instructed to use my right thumb. When I ask the teacher why I couldn't use my left thumb she said because I will fail you if you do. Turns out the teacher knew best. Fifty years later my left hand is mostly paralyzed from carpel tunnel and I have been forced back to my right for mousing and one handed typing.

  16. The six is on the right side. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    The six is closest to the right hand when resting on the home row. It's in line with the rest of the keys that the right hand press like y h and n. Why would you press it with the left?

    1. Re:The six is on the right side. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on the keyboard.

      The one I am currently using it is equidistant. In typing class a zillion years ago I learned left.l

    2. Re:The six is on the right side. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the natural usage of the keyboard does not separate the keys straight down the middle, but rather diagonally... e.g. you might as well have asked "what hand do you press 'b' with".

      Typing on my HHKB type-s (mmmm), the keys are clearly laid out so that '6' is slightly closer to the left than 'b'.

    3. Re:The six is on the right side. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      The six is closest to the right hand when resting on the home row. It's in line with the rest of the keys that the right hand press like y h and n. Why would you press it with the left?

      It is closer to the left hand side. If in doubt and you can't see it with the naked eye, read the article, it has nice pictures.

    4. Re:The six is on the right side. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      TFA has a weird keyboard, maybe their tab, shift, and capslocks keys are larger than mine. Here it's closer to the right side and that can be seen with the naked eye.

      Still doesn't change the fact that it lines up with the key row that is hit by the right hand either.

    5. Re:The six is on the right side. by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I took typing classes, and they taught that the 6/Y/H/N are typed by the right hand (and 5/T/G/B by the left) as you say, but I have been programming for 16+ years and have gotten into the habit of typing 7/Y/H/B with my right and 6/T/G/V with my left. It just feels more natural. I don't know why they teach it the way that I learned it. Just doesn't make sense to me.

      And just for reference, I primarily use Mac computers, and all of their (modern) keyboards have the 6 key significantly closer to the left hand (about 3/4 of an inch "as the crow flies" from the F to the 6 vs the J to the 6).

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    6. Re:The six is on the right side. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      TFA has a weird keyboard, maybe their tab, shift, and capslocks keys are larger than mine. Here it's closer to the right side and that can be seen with the naked eye.

      Still doesn't change the fact that it lines up with the key row that is hit by the right hand either.

      I have Danish, German, US and UK keyboard here, and they are all identical in the layout of the letter keys (except german exchanges y and z), on all of them 6 is on the left side, and all the split keyboards have it on the left half as well.

  17. Neither by wheelbarrio · · Score: 2

    I use base 6 for all my work.

    1. Re:Neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      King Monsterpenis VIII typed this way as well. It is said he was the first hunt & pecker.

  18. Two 6s on a split keyboard? by crow · · Score: 1

    Does anyone make a split keyboard with a 6 for both halves? That would seem to satisfy everyone at a cost of one extra key.

    1. Re:Two 6s on a split keyboard? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to pay for an extra key just to make you freaks that type on the wrong side happy.

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    2. Re:Two 6s on a split keyboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that important. It would be ridiculous to include two number 6 keys just because of that.

    3. Re:Two 6s on a split keyboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the left side or the right side?

  19. What kind of stupid question is that? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Of course, I use the num-pad with my right hand. Who would not?

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    1. Re:What kind of stupid question is that? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Of course, I use the num-pad with my right hand. Who would not?

      Users of a laptop without a num-pad.

    2. Re:What kind of stupid question is that? by Dahan · · Score: 1

      If you're only typing numbers, that's fine. But it's inefficient to be typing letters then move your hand to the numpad just to type a digit or two. Same reason keyboard shortcuts are important in word processing and other keyboard-centric applications; you don't want to be moving between the keyboard and mouse all the time.

    3. Re:What kind of stupid question is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, I use the num-pad with my right hand. Who would not?

      On my left-handed keyboard, the number pad is on the left side; so I use my left hand hand.

    4. Re:What kind of stupid question is that? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      These things exist? Cool!

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    5. Re:What kind of stupid question is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who buy those shouldn't be allowed to use computers.
      t. Slashdolt saving face

  20. Depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For typing on a laptop without a numpad, I'd usually say right middle finger. But on my desktop keyboard (with numpad) I mostly use the 6 on the top row while playing games. Since it's usually bound to the same group of actions 1-5 are, I'm used to accessing that group of actions with my left hand.

  21. B key by CheetoNards · · Score: 1

    On my keyboard, the "B" key is much more ambiguous than the 6 (excluding the number pad, of-course).

    1. Re:B key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, I was taught to type B with my right hand and have been doing it ever since for decades. It is exactly the reason why I'm not using an ergonomic split keyboard.

    2. Re:B key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I got my first MS Natural keyboard, I had to relearn the B key, because it was on the wrong side of the split.

  22. Left hand by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    I'm one of those guys that took a touch typing class with a bunch of girls back in high school. Do they even teach typing in school any more?
    Anyhoo, the teacher (back in the 70's) was very specific about which hand/finger went with which finger.

    1. Re:Left hand by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      It was part of my elementary school curriculum (4th-6th grade) from 93-96ish. I can still type about 120wpm thanks to it.

  23. Yes by dfm3 · · Score: 1

    Yes, I press the 6 key with either my right or left hand. It depends on whichever key I pressed last, and whichever index finger is therefore closest. Unless I'm using a keyboard with a number pad, then it's always the right hand...

  24. I use both hands by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    I use my left hand to hold the left ALT key and then I use my right hand to push 5 and 4 on the numeric keypad.

    1. Re:I use both hands by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Where is this classic ALT-xxx functionality handled, BTW?

      OS, BIOS, KB controller?

  25. Whichever is convenient by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    If I am typing numbers exclusively, then it is the right, on the number pad. If I am typing letters interspersed with numbers then it depends where my hands are. I can touch type in a sense, meaning that I don't have to look at the keyboard while I am typing. However, my hands aren't fixed in one position, and which letter I hit with which hand is dependent on the runup of letters preceding and trailing it. My right hand occasionally ventures over and may type B, G, T or 6, while my left hand occasionally ventures over and hits N, H, Y or 7. It all depends on the circumstances.
    I play piano, guitar and bass and I think my musical style follows through on the keyboard. I tend to look at words subconsciously and figure out the best pattern to type them, just as I look at a group of notes and dynamically determine what frets and strings would make a group of notes more fluid.
    I would also liken it to playing pool. When you are a beginner, you just hope to get a ball in the pocket. When you get better, you are looking for how to set up the next shot.

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  26. Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    What do you mean? An African or European "6"?

    1. Re:Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand? by Hartree · · Score: 1

      Or is it Caprica 6 or Head 6?

    2. Re:Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand? by colordev · · Score: 1

      No, an Armenian "6". Instead of "6" they simply type Զ

      MD5:67605fb300b7cbf964e2de91831eebb8 SHA1:8e3b0e953be18f4d7fdc8e8b33bb8b9e76521106 SHA256:f4494ce3b4267b6d5f9371188a861e95f95835db23f8038d8b40961a3ab5afc2

    3. Re:Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean? An African or European "6"?

      African "6"s are not migratory

  27. Why not both? by Antibozo · · Score: 1

    Why don't split keyboards simply duplicate the border columns on both sides? This is the main reason i haven't bothered to buy one.

    1. Re:Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen, brother. This is the only sensible option.

    2. Re:Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact: Chromatic Button Accordion keyboards split a chromatic scale every three notes, and the most common variant, the 5-row CBA, adds two overlapping "keys" to each column. French popular music instruments with 4 rows still have one button of overlap per column.

      Now musicians obviously have a hankering for efficiency. But if they can afford 40 redundant keys on a good instrument, why would a computer keyboard manufacturer shy away from providing 5 redundant keys?

    3. Re:Why not both? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Chromatic music keyboards are a whole other holy war. I never learned the piano keyboard, but I know enough that you have to learn different fingering for each variation of a chord because of the black keys. With a chromatic keyboard, the same finger position works all the time, but I guess your fingers have to be farther apart, and/or the keys narrower.

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  28. Finger size ratio by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    With finger size ratio being linked to in utero testosterone levels, answering to that one may tell unexpected things about respondent.

  29. I'm one-handed... by Nutria · · Score: 1

    you insensitive clod!!

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    1. Re:I'm one-handed... by UncleRage · · Score: 1

      I actually am due to a birth defect. Left hand is fine, right is missing at the wrist but has a partial digit.

      I learned to type in the mid-80's (Apple II at home) and wound up taking a typing class in high school for some reason. I was averaging 90 wpm with high accuracy, left hand stationed at the home keys, right all over the place to make up for the missing fingers. My poor typing instructor had no idea of what to do except give me an A...

      As for split keyboards, they break my rhythm. My left hand occasionally extends to the first column of the right side to pick up extra keys if my right hand has moved to over to the edge of the keyboard.

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    2. Re:I'm one-handed... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      My typing teacher (back in 1980) found a one-handed method, where you put your fingers on f, g, h & j.

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  30. No. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    No, I don't.

  31. F5 key is more important by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    I use the F5 key all the goddamn time, mostly refresh/rerun/recompile
     
    F5 is generally the left-most Function key of the second block, separated by a space from the F4 key. I use the F5 way, way more than I do the 6 key (which is over on the numpad).
     
    I got a wireless Microsoft Sculpt ergo keyboard and while I love it, it's taken me a while to get used to the fact that the F5 key is not in the middle, I have to look for the F6 key, then go one to the left. After six months or so I'm used to it, but old habits die hard, and that visual cue between the F4 and F5 keys being gone was hard to get used to. To be fair Microsoft has the corresponding Function key above each number key, although that's dumb because anyone buying this keyboard is a touch-typist.

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  32. Left hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 6 key is on the left of the split and I like it that way. I use a split keyboard and game a lot, so the number of keys available to my left hand is important, because reaching across the divide means taking my hand off ESDF (or the mouse).

    When I'm typing more than a few numbers, I use the numpad like a sane person.

  33. Left hand (because closer) by Strange+Quark+Star · · Score: 1

    On the MacBook keyboard the "6" is closer to the left index finger; using the right hand would be wrong here.

    All the replies here mentioning the numpad are missing the point, as this is about touch-typing. If you take the time out to move your hand away from the home row you're not really touch-typing anymore, are you?

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  34. Does not apply to some layouts by La+Gris · · Score: 1

    French fr_FR Keyboard layout has numbers at upper SHIFT selection.
    You are better using the numeric pad. Guess how it can be an annoyance with laptops.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  35. 6 on left... big big gap between 6 and 7. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the Microsoft ergonomic keyboard the keys are about 1.5cm gap between..... sort of tells you what side it is technically suppose to be on on normal keyboards....

  36. split keyboards are fun by lkcl · · Score: 1

    i had one - it was arm-rest mounted. there was only one space bar. i touch-type, so it would be like "rattle rattle rattle THUMP arse!.... rattle rattle THUMP".

    no the weirdest thing i found was that because the keyboard was mounted on the arm rests, it was *outside* of my peripheral vision. it took three weeks to get used to, and i realised that at the time i clearly wasn't genuinely a touch-typist... because i had been using my peripheral vision to locate the keys! within three weeks i was back up to speed and accuracy.

    yeahhh i loved that keyboard. the look on people's faces when they would come into my cubicle and see me with my feet up on the desk, 15in monitor 6 feet away in linux "console" mode at 80x60 resolution, happily using vi for programming at over 170wpm....

  37. Right hand of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those split keyboards with it on the left are fucked.

  38. Left the first 2-3 times by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    then I look at the keyboard and hit it with my right index finger.

    The '6' key is the one key I, as a touch typist, fark up well over half the time.

  39. Stab in the dark by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

    I learned touch typing in school, but didn't really get to the numbers. I use the number pad as much as I can, but when I use the top row I will use left hand for 5 and below and usually but not always the right hand for higher numbers. The problem is that I never got the positions totally fixed in my muscle memory, so when typing anywhere from 5 to about 8 there's a good chance I'll do a little run up the keyboard till I find it (6, backspace, 7, backspace, 8, got it!).

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  40. What about "Y"? by AikonMGB · · Score: 1

    I press 6 with my left hand, but then I also usually press "Y" with my left hand as well.

  41. Left (but right for 7 or higher) by bfwebster · · Score: 1

    There you go.

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  42. Neither by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I use my penis — a.k.a. middle leg.

  43. Let's conduct a test by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    6676767676767667 Apparently I use my left hand, I keep getting 7 with my right.

    1. Re:Let's conduct a test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      676767776767676767

      Apparently I use my left finger to hit 6, but I weigh 140kg. That's what the 7s are for :).

  44. Shouldn't this be in Idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the fuck is this even on the front page?

    2 American marines took out an armed gunman on a train in fucking France, and we're talking about which hand you press the 6 key with?

    Dayum.

    1. Re:Shouldn't this be in Idle? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      2 American Marines taking out some wacko in Belgium (not France; it was on the Belgian side of the border) has absolutely nothing to do with tech news, "news for nerds". This is a tech news site. One with poor management, but still a tech news site.

    2. Re:Shouldn't this be in Idle? by chipschap · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's a tech news site (of sorts) but which finger you use on the '6' key has got to be ... well ... kind of low on the priority list for stories, wouldn't you think?

    3. Re:Shouldn't this be in Idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Breaking news: New study released: YOU ARE ALL COWS!!!

    4. Re:Shouldn't this be in Idle? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I suppose, but remember what I said about the management of this site. This one is probably a Slashvertisement of sorts.

    5. Re:Shouldn't this be in Idle? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Low priority, but it's kindof refreshing to see a tech-related story that only obsessive nerds would care about.

  45. Yeah, it's deep, too. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I use my penis — a.k.a. middle leg.

    Of course. For those of us who are, shall we say, gifted, we don't even have to get out of our chair to hit the "6" key.

    However, the fact that we have to type sans trousers makes us sort of unemployable but that's a decent trade-off.

    I can also play five octaves of the C note simultaneously on my piano in this manner.

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    1. Re:Yeah, it's deep, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, the fact that we have to type sans trousers

      Yours can't unzip the zipper from the inside, reach out and peck the 6, and sneak back into your pants?

    2. Re:Yeah, it's deep, too. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      However, the fact that we have to type sans trousers makes us sort of unemployable but that's a decent trade-off.

      Is that some sort of typographical euphemism?

      Personally I like my fonts equipped with study "trousers," and I iron a good "serif" into my trousers themselves for good measure.

      But I suppose even this "Sans Trousers" has to be better than Comic Sans... I don't even think that's appropriate for work on Casual Font Day.

  46. From a real typewriter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As somebody that learned to type on an actual typewriter in 1983 (with real paper and dinging and such), it's the right hand. That's what the text book said.

    Now get off my lawn.

  47. depends on the keyboard by cschepers · · Score: 1

    I primarily use a MS split keyboard at work and use my left hand. On conventionally-laid-out keyboards, I use my right hand since that's how I was taught in school.

  48. Left, right by markdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a split Microsoft Wireless Natural at home (yes, a huge offense as a Linux-only user) and the 6 is on the left.

    And at work (also Linux-only of course) I have some type of split Logitech and 6 is also on the left.

    I am thinking left is probably right (pun intended).

    1. Re:Left, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Linux-only", "Linux-only of course". Do tell is that you "don't even own a television" also, so we can enjoy more of your insufferable smug.

    2. Re:Left, right by markdavis · · Score: 1

      Poor Microsofty serf... so sorry to offend you. And yes, I have a 75" high-end TV, whatever that matters.

      Oh, my mouse is Microsoft, also. They can't make an OS worth a damn, have destroyed innovation for decades, have cost consumers and taxpayers countless billions of wasted dollars, have illegally ruined tons of competitors, but certainly have made some very decent keyboards and mice!

  49. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

    My way of keeping family members off my computer is to use a Microsoft Split keyboard and an Optical Trackball Explorer for my mouse.

  50. Don't do away with caps lock! by ZorkZero · · Score: 1

    Remap caps lock to escape. All your vi editing mode apps (which can be a lot with proper configuration -- your shell is in emacs mode by default (ewwww)) will be much faster after you get used to it.

  51. Right hand wins for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't have known till I "shadow" typed it just now... but "6" is part of the core of my "often somewhat modified basic password"... Right hand always wins for me.

  52. As a user of Microsoft split keyboards for decades by Bryan+Bytehead · · Score: 1

    I can say that I use my left hand to press the 6 key. Since that is how the MS keyboard is setup. From the original white keyboard to the 4000 that I use now (and have gone through a few of those... Damn those cats spilling my drink into them!), that's the way it has always worked for me. And I've never really thought about it.

    It does remind me of the time time that I saw somebody with the white original ergonomic keyboard shoved in their backpack when I was flying somewhere. This was when I had already started killing my MS 4000 keyboards. I'm killing keyboards, even when something isn't spilling liquids into mine. A key stops working, usually something I actually use (Esc, F1, A...)

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  53. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    Personally I think split keyboards are extremely uncomfortable. I don't know why people prefer them to the old style.

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  54. 6 key left or right by McLae · · Score: 1
    Lots of times I type with the right hand. Left hand on the mouse. Just typing, sometimes left, sometimes right.

    I did do touch typing in high school, but I have regressed long ago to looking while I type, so I hit y,b,h,g,6,7,5 keys with both hands.

    Oh, and I popped the caps lock key off. Cuts down on errors.

    1. Re:6 key left or right by Megane · · Score: 1

      That must make using cmd/ctrl ZXCV for editing really fun.

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  55. I don't call mine 6, unless it's in german by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but to answer the question, right.

  56. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by fisted · · Score: 1

    Heh. My way of keeping anyone off my computer is using i3 on NetBSD...

  57. Right hand by jblues · · Score: 1

    Right hand. And I'm left-handed (if that matters).

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  58. With my nose ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... when the BDSM session gets out of hand.

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  59. If there is a key there has to be a lock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... when the BDSM session gets out of hand.

    Well, If there is a key there has to be a lock...

  60. Seemingly silly by menkhaura · · Score: 1

    Seemingly silly question, but actually a nice one. I'm right-handed, and I guess it depends on which hand is closer, so no preference in particular. Looks like left hand is preferred, though.

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  61. It depends by MasseKid · · Score: 1

    It depends on the program. The programs I need to input a lot of numbers, my right hand is on the keypad. The programs that need a lot of mouse input, it's the left hand that hits all the numbers.

  62. I go both ways by pi_rules · · Score: 1

    The 6 and 'b' key get hit by my left and right probably equally. I do some "stupid" stuff when typing and that's one of them. Whatever hand is free tends to whack those keys. On the other side of the coin space bar is ONLY ever hit by my right hand. I've tried changing that habit before and I can't seem to shake it. I know it slows me down a bit (I'm at 105wpm usually) but whatever. I can live with it. You can see the wear mark on any keyboard I've had for years and I think it's funny.

    I tend not to use keyboard with number pads after being on laptops for years as a consultant. I just got used to the less than 101 key designs so my penchant for punching 6 with either hand is just as strong as it is with 'b'.

  63. right middle finger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I don't know why, I'm a pretty fast typer. But for whatever reason, the middle finger on the right hand pushes six, and the middle finger on the left hand pushes five. o_O

  64. Use MS Naturals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are split keyboards, and I've used them since 1.0, so I use my left hand. Isn't right-handed what they call "European style"?

  65. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by Dahan · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I had been using the right hand, but when I switched to MS split keyboards, they all have the 6 on the left side of the split, so I had to change. According to TFA, in the US, touch typing students are taught to use the right hand for 6; I learned to touch type in the US, so that must've been where I got it from.

  66. Number PAAAAAAAAAD by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    ... which I use my right elbow for.

  67. I use my dick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I use my dick; it's really inefficient but it feels right.

  68. No arrow keys means I don't care. by shess · · Score: 1

    The useless part of the keyboard is the number pad. I want that space so that my arm isn't hanging so far out to reach my pointing device. But I'm not willing to gain more space in that area at the expense of high-usage cursor-movement keys, that's completely unacceptable. So feel free to drop the 6 entirely.

    1. Re:No arrow keys means I don't care. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      The keyboard is the useless part of the keyboard.
      When I was around age 10 I learned to type with one of these.. https://www.google.com/search?...

      I regret that microwriters never took off. With a weeks practice you could type perfectly fast one handed while drinking coffee with the other.

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  69. Either by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Depends which key came before the 6. Sorry, I learned to play piano years before I saw a typewriter.
    Thank goodness I never had to take keyboarding in school - the teachers would would walk by in programming and say, "my God ... but it's fast."

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    1. Re:Either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, my style of using the keyboard is weird too, Both my hands are in continues movement across the keyboard. I never learned to officially touch type, but I do type without watching the keyboard.

      It does allow me to type rather quickly with just one hand as well, or as I am currently lying in my bed, with my notebook held vertically on top of my stomach, I type with my right hand and my left thumb as my other fingers of my left hand keep the notebook vertical.

      I did also have access to a piano before I had access to a keyboard.

      I think my style is also a lot better for your wrists, My hands are placed diagonally over the keyboard in their natural angles. Another poster complained that his hands felt like being in cuffs because of how he has to have his hands on a normal keyboard.

      Unnatural split keyboards make me type slower, because my hands are restricted to where they have to type and it would have to travel to the other side and then angle my finger weirdly to press the buttons which are in an angle.

  70. Why not both?! by Eloking · · Score: 1

    Why not both?!

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  71. Teachers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My touch typist teacher said RIGHT. Never considered the left.

    1. Re:Teachers by Tackhead · · Score: 1

      My touch typist teacher said RIGHT. Never considered the left.

      Different AC here. Basic non-ergo Keytronic layout. I use left hand, not right hand, and I was taught touch typing (and can still do 100wpm) by a teacher who taught by the book that says "right-handed."

      Even though the "6" is, properly speaking, in the "6/y/h/n" vertical row that "belongs" to the right hand, I just looked closely at my fingers on the actual physical keyboard on which I've typed for 10+ years, and its clones on which I've typed for at least 20+, it's because the "6" is closer to the left index finger than the right index finger. The pad of my hand (not the wrist, about halfway up the pad beneath my pinky finger) rests on the lower edge of my keyboard, and my thumbs rest so comfortably on the spacebar that the spacebar has a little worn spot on it.

      Home exercise: Place fingers on home row. Touch right and left index fingers to "T", "Y", and "R". For my fingers and keyboard, "Y" is the most comfortable, almost dead-center. Repeat experiment with "5/6/7". For my fingers/keyboard, I can't reach "5" with right. I can't reach "7" with left, and "6" is reachable with either, but more easily reached with left finger. with left on "T" and right on "y" almost centered beneath "6", left is visually confirmed closer to "6."

      (Side note: Both by size of wear spot and by observation while typing this post, I almost exclusively press the space bar with my *right* thumb. Maybe that contributes to using my left idex to hit th 6 key -- my left thumb is basically unused. I just typed this entire sentence with my left thumb crammed under the keyboard and it felt comfortable. Undoable with right thumb in equivalent positon.)

      P.S; Our touch-typing teachers taught us the same way, but for me and my keyboard, we cheat on the "6". I've forgotten whether it's supposed to matter which thumb you use on the space bar, although I imagine I could have squeezed out a couple of extra wpm if I'd used both thumbs in high school.

      P.P.S.: Fuck the last 5 years of UX "professionals" who think everything has to change every six months for the hell of it, or the last 15 years who think that menu options should change depending on which options the software decides are more frequently used. Neither group knows anything of muscle memory because neither group has been in the industry long enough for it to matter.

    2. Re:Teachers by Tackhead · · Score: 1

      Different AC here. ... P.P.S.: Fuck the last 5 years of UX "professionals" who think ... menu options should change depending on which options the software decides are more frequently used. Neither group knows anything of muscle memory because neither group has been in the industry long enough for it to matter.

      Although, to be fair to UX "professionals" there is no muscle memory so powerful that it cannot be compromised with sufficient alcohol. Still getting 80wpm tonight. But somehow missed the post-anon button. Sometimes the UX "professional" doesn't have to move the clickbox. It's moving on my system, though!

  72. Just to be different, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and being left-handed, I press ALL the numbers with my left hand, using the top row.

  73. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by satch89450 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because people who type all the time don't like to have their wrists twisted like they are wear handcuffs. I remember the first time I used a Hodgekiss keyboard (split and tilted up) my wrists were much, much happier in just a few minutes.

  74. I use senary notation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never have to make such a difficult decision that way.

  75. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (Microsoft can't make a decent operating system, but their keyboards and mice are first class.)

    I agree, but I think the reason for this is that the only thing they have do with "their" keyboards and mice is the MS logo on it.

    Wrong. Microsoft Hardware developed the mice, keyboards and XBox. Since they make decent products, their jobs are now being cut.

  76. I use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the same thing that I use to ring the doorbell with when my hands are full.

  77. It's on the left on my split keyboard by mrwilsox · · Score: 1

    My Microsoft Natural keyboard puts 6 on the left side, so left seems to be pretty standard here in the U.S. as I've had other split keyboards in the past and when I got this one I didn't notice anything weird....

  78. Re:NumPad Hater Here by billstewart · · Score: 1

    On my current laptop, the number pad also gets used for the easy-to-reach versions of PageUp/PageDown/Home/End and one copy of the Delete Key. Very annoying when I accidentally hit the NumLock.

    On my last N laptops, the NumPad means that the keyboard is not in the middle of the laptop, which makes typing uncomfortable and encourages my hands to get off-position, cramps my right shoulder and elbow, and encourages bad typing. Obviously that's not a problem with a separate keyboard like these guys are designing, but on separate keyboards I'd rather have them be smaller (so they fit easily in a rack or on a cluttered desk) or else have bigger typing keys.

    The "NumPad Embedded In Keyboard" approach, typically at YUI/HJK/BNM or something similar, never bothered me as much, but then I almost never used it.

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  79. Yes, Both! Except they can't. by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, one of the features of their split keyboard is that you can fit the two halves together into a one-piece keyboard (which sometimes makes sense to do), and putting a 6 on both halves doesn't work well for that. Maybe if they could put a small, easily-removable extra 6 they could still do it, but that's getting messy.

    The big problem with their keyboard? It's that "Mouse" key where the Control key belongs, next to the left pinky, where most current keyboards evilly put a Caps Lock. Having an on-keyboard mouse isn't a bad thing, but the control key is a big ergonomic lossage for most programmers with most keyboards.

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  80. Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more important by billstewart · · Score: 0, Troll

    Most current keyboards have evilly put a nearly-useless CAPS LOCK KEY next to the A, where the CONTROL key belongs. This encourages awkward finger positions and hand strain, and ALMOST NOBODY NEEDS THE "YELL AT PEOPLE" FEATURE ANY MORE!

    These guys did something interesting, putting a "Mouse" key there to shift some other keys to use for mouse functions, but it's a mistake; they could put that somewhere else and put the control key where it belongs.

    Another feature they could implement, if they can license the patent at some non-outrageous price, is the "Half Keyboard" strategy, which lets you do single-handed typing by folding QWERT and YUIOP over in the middle - it either does the left or right half depending on whether you're hitting the mode key. Back when keyboards still used serial ports instead of USB, they made some small half-keyboards for Palm Pilots that were reasonably priced ($75-100), and some full-sized computer keyboards that were priced for the "Your Corporate Ergonomics Department Or Insurance Company Will Pay $400 For This" market, which were basically a standard keyboard with an extra shift that you could use either left-handed, right-handed, or both.

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  81. 10 key club here by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    worked as a 10 key operator at a bank long, long ago, in a life far away. I never shook the 10 key for data entry...anyone else here remember checks ?

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  82. There is only one right answer... by SpeedBump0619 · · Score: 1

    Both the 6 and the B keys belong on both sides of a split keyboard. It couldn't possibly cost more than another $1 and we can get back to fighting over real significant, intractable problems, like the Oxford comma.

  83. whichever hand is free by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    It depends on which keys I need to press before and after.

  84. Left.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I've been using a Microsoft natural keyboard for 20 years.

  85. Both, I use ASCII Decimal codes.... by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    Right Hand: Hold Alt Key
    Left Hand: Type 54 on numeric keypad

  86. I type all keys with left hand by ls671 · · Score: 1

    I type all keys with left hand in order to be able to keep my right hand on the mouse, really fast!

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  87. Has to be right by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

    The decision is made for me by my dvorak layout.
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  88. which ever side is closer of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    break keyboard in exactly in half, which side has the most '6' on it? this is the side that should have the 6

    who cares how ppl were "taught" if the key is closer to one side than the other, then they were taught wrong

  89. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was taught as a child to use the right hand. When you look at the diagonals that your fingers hit, it only makes sense to use the right hand (type "touch typing" in an image search). Additionally, then both index fingers only use two of the number keys instead of having 3 and 1. I have the same keyboard and it drives me nuts that they put it on the wrong side and made the 7 much larger.

  90. Re: My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bent keyboard works well enough for me. When it's really split I get confused because some keys are ambidextrous for me. 6 is firmly right hand for me because it's above the Z -- in fact on soft keyboards (Android) it is the Z, so on a split keyboard my right index hits solid plastic. But I'd probably love a split keyboard with a giant trackball in the middle.

  91. Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import by VanGarrett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a draftsman, I find myself using the Caps lock key quite a bit. Without it, I'd be sitting on the Shift key for pretty much of the day. No, the Caps lock key is quite useful, thank you very much.

  92. Re: My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > the Z
    The Z on German, Y on English keyboards.

  93. Its in the middle by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    ... yeah okay so the picture shows that in their keyboard they're putting the 6 key a couple milometers one way versus the other... but it doesn't matter.

    What is more the statement "in some countries people do X instead of Y"... in regards to pressing the six key with the right or left hand... no one gives a shit. People do either and both.

    It varies very slightly from one keyboard to the next.

    On mine for example... it appears to be so close to the middle that I can't really tell... I've looked at it a few times and it might be going right a bit... by maybe a millimeter. But I have no greater difficulty pressing that button with the right or left hand. So... effectively the middle.

    This is silly. Who cares.

    I mean, QWERTY itself is silly.

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  94. Right hand. by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    First, I use the Dvorak layout, but this has no effect on the numbers. (It does affect the two keys between 0 and backspace though.) What really has a substantial impact is that I use a keyboard with no stagger. 6 is directly above F (you'd probably have a Y there unless you have a QWERTZ kezboard), which in turn is directly above D (you'd have H there). It's a right hand key, with no ambiguity whatsoever.

    You might imagine it is difficult to get used to a matrix keyboard, that you'd have years of stagger-training to unlearn. This is not so, at least if it's set up properly. Practically everyone centers the keyboard, which means the alpha area where you do your actual typing is offset to the left. In this situation, a stagger is helpful. When you push the hands away from you to reach up the keyboard, you naturally drift a bit to the left because of this. Use a keyboard where the alphas are right in front of you (like a Happy Hacking Keyboard, or a TypeMatrix) and reaching directly back will seem as natural as reaching up and slightly left does now. It took me about an hour and a half to make the adjustment, and a minute or two each time I started working for the first few days. I also made one other substantial alteration to the standard Dvorak layout, moving the [ and ] keys into the modifier row to shorten the top row. This puts += back in its usual QWERTY position, but more importantly brings Backspace 3/4" closer. You can look at it here. I also split the spacebar (though both are still Space, no reassigning one to Backspace or anything like that), and rotated the two halves to run up and down the keyboard rather than across it. This allows the hands to rotate inward without forcing a long stretch with the thumb. You'll also see I juggled the modifiers -- eliminating Right Windows entirely, then swapping Control to be next to Alt. Let the rarely accessed Windows and AppsKey keys be the hard ones to reach. Control is just a tuck of the thumb (either thumb) away, assuming I even need it since I have a set of 29 dedicated Ctrl+something keys. They're also arranged in QWERTY order, dodging one of the annoyances of Dvorak, namely that it was invented before the Control key, and long before the current Ctrl-ZXCV "standard". Killing the stagger also reduces the other Dvorak nuisance, the long and awkward reach to L. Being able to rotate the hands inward increases the row-reach of the little finger as well.

    Personally I find I can't live with a bunch of overlay modes. I need a full navigation cluster, and use the numeric keypad just enough to get frustrated once or twice a day if it's not there. My answer for that was to put the keypad on the left, which both centers the alphas in front of me and brings the mouse in closer. It would be nice to have a gutter between the numpad and the alphas, but that's not happening until I build my own keyboard.

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    1. Re:Right hand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right or left - depends on which hand typed the last character, I suppose. The 6 is between the "t" and "y" and to the right of the "g".

      Had a split keyboard for a few days - the 6 was on the left side and it drove me nuts - gave it away. Loved the "feel" of that Logitech keyboard, but ended up back on the IBM 101b keyboards I've been using since 1998-ish, actually at work I had a 3275 terminal with the same "feel". People around me hate it. I hate the clicking, but love the feel. Have 3 of these, so a spare is always ready to be swapped in. I've had to wash them a few times over the years.

      I think the 101b will be working long after I'm dead.

      Oh - and I took typing over the summer of 10th grade - Dad recommended it. Dropped the class after a job got in the way, but I'd done enough that when I finally got a Unix job, it wasn't so hard. For my first 5 yrs out of college, I was a programmer, but on MVS so nobody expected touch typing. Only 1 of the programmers out of 20 was a touch typist. Everyone else used 2 fingers.

  95. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by davester666 · · Score: 1

    A trusty fish bonker works for me.

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  96. Re:Right side, because that's where the number pad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You remove your hand from your mouse, move it across your desk, just to hit a number? Then move it back to your mouse to continue working? Or are you just entering numbers for long amounts of time, like an accountant? Because the numeric pad is only useful for entering a lot of numbers, if you only need to enter "6", that seems like a waste of time and energy.

  97. Right hand by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

    on the numpad

  98. I don't... by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    ..actually touch type numbers in any formal way. It depends on what else I'm doing. Also, when I took typing classes back in high school, numbers were given some exceptions. While you should be reading what you type, small errors can still end up in the final work. When someone else later reads that text, it's easy to guess and correct most small mistakes (natural languages are rather redundant coding schemes, with English having about 1 bit of information per letter). The same won't work with numbers, and what's worse, small changes in numbers can have huge effects in the real world. So we were advised to take extra care with numbers, and they were not included in typing speed tests.

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  99. Why cripple your keyboard? by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    I'll take a keyboard that omits Caps Lock wherever they put the 6.

    No one's forcing you to use full caps, and I don't think it's wise to encourage removing it. Why should I have to pay for a special "programming keyboard" just to be able to do SQL?

  100. typing school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took a typing class in high school. All the books, and the teacher, said you use the LEFT pointer finger.
    I guess if you're not a touch typist, it doesn't matter.

  101. Hold on a second... by ciascu · · Score: 1

    Having touch-typed for a fair time and diligently done my RSA courses back at school, I match fingers to keys pretty consistently. However, looking at this question made me spot a couple things and now I want to know if they're common for formal-ish typists too...

    1. Pinky never hits the top row. A, Z, ", |, / [en-us], that's it.
    2. 6 always left index, Y always right index EXCEPT when index finger just used on bottom row, then (unconsciously) middle finger: e.g. V6, any, my, BT.

    I get neither of these are particularly odd in themselves, but it is more that I have been doing this for over fifteen years, recognising only two or three letter combinations and mentally remapping, but never once noticed.

    And typing this is a bit like listening to yourself breathing. It's actually going to drive me crazy.

  102. Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import by Megane · · Score: 1

    That's still no reason to have it next to the A key. In the early days of computer keyboards, it was a regular-sized key stuck in a corner of the layout. It was only typewriters that had shift-lock (which shifted number keys too!) next to the A key, because it was mechanically simpler to implement. It also took some force to engage it, making it hard to hit by accident, unlike on computer keyboards, where the merest tap on the corner of the caps lock key is enough.

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  103. Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What makes the CAPS LOCK key intolerable on computers is that it's not even named correctly. It's actually a "Case Reverse" key.

    Unlike a mechanical typewriter where pressing the Shift key while CAPS LOCK was engaged did nothing and everything came out in caps which was usually ALL RIGHT, the computer key of that name causes everything to gO uPSIDE dOWN.

  104. Re:Right side, because that's where the number pad by Drethon · · Score: 1

    I try not to put my hand on the mouse as much as possible. Use keyboard shortcuts in place of mouse clicks, then the number pad is a lot closer and more effective.

  105. Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's worse is these notebook computers you get that have a couple of "international" keys. They split the left shift key in half and the enter key also has it's width reduced to make room for another key. It's so fucking annoying. I will never buy another laptop that has a keyboard like this. In the meantime, I use a key remapper app so that both halves of the shift key operate as shift.

    See image here.

  106. I'm somewhat ambidextrous by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

    And, not surprisingly, the answer to the question is "yes". I also hit the space bar with either hand (right preference, though) and the keys in the middle - "6" and "b" are hit by whichever index finger happens to be free at the time it needs to be hit.

  107. As I type with more than 1 finger... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it depends on what I'm doing with the other hand when I need to type the 6. Just there because I needed my right hand to do the period, it was near there and I moved the left hand to the 6. If I type 6seconds, though I will half the time use the right hand. I don't know if that is because of a bias to the right or left or one created by where my torso is at the time I type, though.

    Presupposition about what a typist will do when they have done no formal training is silly. You are professing handedness as the only denominator, but posture, current use (if you're playing Quake and switching to the rocket...?) What if you're using WASD on Doom and need the rocket?

  108. Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import by Megane · · Score: 1

    That's only on DOS/Windows, and I think Linux, too. The key works correctly on OS X.

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  109. If I use my right hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then it's over too fast. With my left it feels like some else is doing it.

  110. Re:Right side, because that's where the number pad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I was reading this wondering, who would put the numpad on the left side...

    Then I understood.

  111. Purpose of split keyboards by hankwang · · Score: 1

    "Because people who type all the time don't like to have their wrists twisted"

    I use a regular(*) keyboard and my wrists are straight. In the home position, my index fingers are a bit more stretched than my pinky fingers to correct for the angle. I used a MS Natural keyboard around 1997, but I felt that it made my rsi issues worse. Learning about proper desk height and arm/wrist position helped much more, but back then it wasn't so common to have adjustable desks.

    (*) Actually, I use a thinkpad keyboard with trackpoint, in Dvorak layout. I even attached an external thinkpad/trackpoint keyboard to my non-thinkpad docking station because I hate that hp elitebook keyboard.

    Actually, i'm typing this with my right thumb on a 5-inch phone, in portrait mode... 6666... yep, right hand.

    1. Re:Purpose of split keyboards by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think that variety is definitely the solution to a lot of RSI problems. Different people have different shaped bodies, and required different keyboards, mice, chairs, and other office equipment.

      I personally find old fashioned, non-split keyboards much more comfortable, even though I spend a considerable amount of time typing on a keyboard. I also have my keyboard situated quite far into my desk. My keyboard is situated so that my entire forearm rests on the desk when typing. This changes all the generally understood "rules" for typing.

      First rule is that you shouldn't rest your arms, and your hands shouldn't be resting on the table, but elevated. This is a problem for people that keep the keyboard close to them because it usually means their wrists are on the corner of the desk, cutting off circulation. When you rest you entire forearm on the desk, there isn't a whole lot of pressure in one spot, and your wrists actually stay elevated anyway.

      The second "rule" is that you should use a split keyboard. With my keyboard so far from the edge of my desk, my arms and wrists are actually in a straight line. If I tried to have the keyboard closer to me, then sure, my wrists would be contorted sideways causing problems.

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    2. Re:Purpose of split keyboards by hankwang · · Score: 1

      Normally, "variety" in the context of RSI refers to changing your posture and activities, though.

  112. Number pad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    right pinky on the pad or nose on the top row

  113. Re: Right side, because that's where the number pa by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    If you're a lefty you don't have to let go of the mouse to use the numpad That said, a separate "number jack" keyboard makes more sense for a laptop.

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  114. Right Hand by Khyber · · Score: 1

    If you're using the number row for inputting numbers instead of 10-key touch you're a pleb and a n00b.

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  115. Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Customary != Useful.

    Every plan reader in the world will rejoice the day you lunatics quit with the ALL CAPS.

    Even the U.S. Navy finally gave it up two years ago.

  116. yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you wank off with your right hand or your left hand?

  117. Soon on "Ask Slashdot" by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

    Do you wipe your ass with your left hand or with your right hand?

    Also, is your toilet paper roll located to the right or to the left of your toilet? And does it influence your wiping hand decision made above?

  118. Re:Right side, because that's where the number pad by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

    I have never, not even once, in all the time that PCs have had number pads, used the number pad to type a number. I use it for cursor control more than I use a mouse. As much as most people want to get rid of the CapsLock key, I want to get rid of the NumLock key.

  119. full size up/down arrows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just wish laptop keyboards all had full size up and down arrows. Who needs those huge shift keys??

  120. Either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While hunting and pecking, I use whichever index finger is the closest.

  121. Pretty sure ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... this is the stupidest question I've seen on Slashdot in 15 years.

  122. Proof Khyber's a LIAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proof Khyber's a LIAR: "Eat your words" Khyber http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

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    1. Re:Proof Khyber's a LIAR by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Linking yourself in fucking circles is not a credible citation. You fail at even the most basic elementary proofing skills.

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  123. Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import by allo · · Score: 1

    On windows its caps lock, there shift stops the lock. on linux its case-reversing.

  124. Re: Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more impor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you need caps lock sometimes that's fine, it doesn't mean the key needs to take up ultra valuable real estate.

  125. MS Natural Kybd = Left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Left because I use the greatest cure for RSI I've ever found. The MS Natural Keyboard. With a normal keyboard my fingers are tingling after 2-3 minutes. With the split keyboard (MS original with rest raised) I can type for half an hour without a problem. I had to learn to hit the B and 6 keys with the left hand because I was using the right on the normal keyboard.

  126. Whichever by cwsumner · · Score: 1

    Whichever hand is not using the mouse or joystick.
    Phones? What are they? 8-)

  127. Khyber: You just FAIL (bigtime), lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & proof of me nuking you point by point http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

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  128. Numpad? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    I generally hit it with my right hand... that's where the number pad lies. I'm not even sure that I use the top row of numbers more than a few times a day.

    That said, I just tested out the top row and I reflexively used my left hand to hit the 6.

  129. Re:Right side, because that's where the number pad by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    You remove your hand from your mouse, move it across your desk, just to hit a number?

    I have my mouse on the left side, and I use the numpad and the nearby arrow keys with my right hand. It's really the perfect layout for gaming.
    And I'm right handed. Using a mouse with my right hand gave me RSI, but not when I used it with the left hand.

  130. Re:My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the l by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Wrong. Microsoft Hardware developed the mice, keyboards and XBox. Since they make decent products, their jobs are now being cut.

    Ugh. Not a fan of Windows, use Linux at home for most things... but I love the Microsoft Natural Keyboard. Sad news.
    Maybe I should stock up.

  131. Depends on which side by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    ... the numeric key pad is put on.

    Not that I'm a touch typist. That was a girls school subject when I was at school.

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