Uhh, why do you put higher expectations on AI then you do on yourself? If you learned all the basics of a game and reached a limit, someone better than you could let you know how to improve your game. You expect an AI to be perfect and be able to anticipate every strategy? That's great, show me a human that can do that first though.
What planet are you from? It seems if Nintendo came up with a new suppository add-on for the wiimote people would be falling over each other saying how great it was. Even when Nintendo was in third place in the last gen, people would moan how great it was compared to others.
It is great that Nintendo has come up with a new controller and provides a cheap console for the masses. But to expect everyone to love it because you do isn't realistic. For me, it really doesn't have the games I am interested in. Most of my friends who have it don't touch it any more. Some people just aren't going to get it...and it shouldn't diminish your enjoyment of it just because others don't care for it.
Uh, they all have advertising integrated in to the products. That's sort of the point and how they are all profitable. You are saying all the sites out there that make profit through online ads aren't profitable because their product isn't online ads? That doesn't make any sense.
Uh, I really don't think so. I watch TV and don't have these issues. It has more to do with people wanting to have things when times are lean. Also, some people are competitive. They want to have what other people have but better..the whole keeping up with the Jones' mentality. You don't have TV channels yet you still consume movies and I am sure plenty of other items that you are not dependent on for survival.
Seems like a short sighted philosophy. Something simple minded that maybe an elementary school teacher would come up with to teach sharing. If we all didn't go to the store and buy whatever that we wanted just because someone else might need that item more, then we would pretty much buy nothing. Less things selling means less jobs means less people with money etc., etc. It would pretty much cause everyone to suffer. There needs to be a balance between not taking so much that others suffer and not taking too little, That balance can be struck not by everyone doing the same thing, but everyone being different. So the economy can handle some hoarders and some over-zealous yoga people.
And your game ideas are poor because it removes an important element of games: fun.
Or maybe life isn't black and white...maybe there are other factors...oh, like maybe a game that is more known about/anticipated will be more pirated than one no one cares about? Simply saying that a lot of people downloaded it and it is successful so piracy is good is flat out stupid.
It's only a straw man if that isn't the argument other people use. You are just changing the argument to something that is impossible to prove. This is just how you feel...purely opinion. You might as well say that people pirate because God came down and told you to pirate.
But according to you, when making financial decisions, you want the company to focus on the smallest percentage of people. Those who are picky and know how to use a torrent. You want these people to be catered to? Sorry, Slashdot does not represent the average person. The argument to not use DRM because some small number of people claim they won't pirate if it is DRM free doesn't make financial sense. Since you like to interject with something that is purely opinion, here is my opinion back: these mystical people you describe, the ones that don't buy because of DRM, are probably still going to come up with bull shit excuse to pirate the game. Meaning you might as well put a cheap, effective DRM (like a CD key or sell through Steam) to prevent casual piracy.
And I am sure a greater number of those people will pirate the full copy. The old argument was that people pirated because of DRM. This shows that argument is false. People are just dicks and want stuff for free. So stop trying to morally justify it. I don't care if you do it, just don't try to make it seem like you are some sort of awesome freedom fighter because you are cheap and lack decency.
and it didn't get very deep. He defines addiction in games as games that offer rewards (they tend to be smaller rewards) for doing the same thing over and over again. Of course, this is focusing on MMORPGs, but I don't see why it has to other than it is popular to bash these games right now...which is a bit odd to me...but let me explain more.
Some of us like to game. Whether it be RPGs, FPSs, RTSs, TBSs, MMORPGs or whatever. There has been a negative reaction towards people who game from the general public. Gamers don't like this. What is the difference if we game for a few hours a night instead of watching reruns of TV shows we have already seen. There really isn't a difference (other than gaming uses more brain power since there is actually some interaction instead of just sitting there). But since it is newer and different from the norm, people will make fun of, write laws against, etc etc just as they did in the past for D&D and rock music.
MMORPGs are really not any different than regular games other than the regular content releases and more social aspects. You do the same things over and over again...sure. But you do it with different people and you are getting better at it each time you do it. Really, not much different from traditional games like chess or go. You are doing the same things over and over, but you are getting better and you are enjoying yourself. Nothing really to freak out about. But even many gamers on here are going to bash WoW because it's new and they can't spend as much time on it. That and they probably know someone who has screwed up their lives by playing too much.
But most people don't have issues. Like most people can go out on weekends have a few drinks, and not get wasted. But we all know friends who go out and drink too much. But that is more socially acceptable. Why? Because we live in a society that values extroverts over introverts. So because you don't want to go out with friends and feel more comfortable at home, you are weird. "Why would Bob rather play WoW than come get drunk with us? Man, that guy is a loser." But him staying home playing WoW is his time to recharge and be happy just like for extroverts, their time to recharge is being social with friends.
In any case, the whole MMORPG addiction thing is overblown. It is just because it is new to society that it faces so much scrutiny. Human beings have been finding ways to screw up their lives since the beginning of time. This is no different. In 100 years, people playing MMORPGs will be griping about all the holocube addicts. Why can't they just be like everyone else and play MMORPGs? Freaking losers.
Ahh, Civ IV. It is the only game I ever played for so long that I freaked out when someone was shining a light in to my window...only to realize it was the sun.
Um, that's not truth. I find it funny how Slashdot would mod you to oblivion for making that statement about people who play video games in general, but since it is popular to bash WoW, and those who play it, on here, it gets modded +5.
Truth is there are all sort of people who play. And yeah, I take it personally because I play. I am a 30 something who plays for two soccer teams and am quite athletic. I have a very successful career and own my house. I play first chair second violin in a local orchestra. I also have a good looking girl friend and plenty of amazing friends.
I play WoW because I find it fun. The nicest thing I can think to say to you is: Fuck you for stereotyping people. I expect better from this site and its mods.
Amazingly I am able to play WoW and still have sex. Then again, WoW can be better. It is cheaper (no sushi dinners to get it to put out) and it doesn't produce expensive children. He could have gotten some she-devil pregnant...so maybe WoW saved his life.
So you are saying that MMO's are only addictive and can not be good games? Who are you to say what others find fun or not fun? Non-MMOs like Disgaea are fun, addictive, and have plenty of grinding to keep you addicted so you can level up every item in the game to its highest level. I guess a game is a game to me. MMOs are just games with a community aspect to it that get updated often. There are good ones and bad ones. The social aspect and the adding of new goals can keep people hooked, but that doesn't mean it can't be a good game.
When you don't know of a certain capability, how can you play test that with it in mind? If a mapper doesn't know if you do certain things, you can fly...they aren't going to design the map around that. They will see if you can jump up on a ledge...and if you can't and are supposed to, make it lower.
Why should an MMO require you to always be in groups? FFXI was that way. Just to level you would have to be in a group. And you know what, it sucked! Having a balance of things you can do by yourself and things you can do with a group is what makes that game appealing to so many people.
The type of person who plays the game has not changed. Maybe the types of people you associated with did. Or maybe you just didn't get far enough to actually be doing raids (which are on the light side, but the new ones get back on track).
The game can be played as a solo game only if you ignore a large portion of the game. And you have to try to do it. It has a much better PvE experience than any other MMO out there hands down. To discount it shows your bias or ignorance.
That effect is there. But it had to at least be better than EQ otherwise everyone would have stayed there for their friends. I think people crave a better MMO.
I still think it is fair to compare WoW to other games in the genre. If you are talking about comparing as far as popularity goes, then I agree with you. But WoW did a lot of things right. To turn your back on it just because a lot of people are there for their friends doesn't make much sense.
So you laugh at the guy for his statement...then make excuses a mile a minute for EQ. I have not done high end raiding in EQ. Probably most people haven't done the current versions of EQ and WoW to really compare.
As the guy said, for some raid bosses, if one person make a mistake, it will screw it up for everyone. Yeah, you don't lose all your gear or levels, but I never really liked that and that really doesn't say anything about how interesting or difficult the fight is. I think that is the key...the fights aren't just hard, they are actually interesting.
Take Malygos (large dragon) for example. When you fight him, you need to kill him within 10 minutes or he will go berserk and kill everyone. There are these sparks that fly towards him, and if they reach him, they increase his power which can wipe the raid. You need to kill the sparks in a place where you can stand on them because it will significantly increase the damage you do. He will then fly up and spin the whole raid up in a tornado. The healers need to make sure everyone is near full health or you will die when you hit the ground. Once you get him down to enough health, you go in to phase two. Large spherical shields appear on the ground and your whole raid needs to stand in them otherwise you will get insta-killed. The bubbles shrink and shrink forcing you to move out of them and get in to the next one. There are all these wizards flying around on discs shooting stuff at you. You have to kill them, making them drop their discs so melee classes can hop on them, fly up, and kill the others that are flying around. After you kill all the wizards, Malygos blows up the platform you are standing on sending you to your death...except a red dragon flight flies in and saves you. Then you control the dragon to fight malygos. You have multiple abilities that you have to utilize to protect you from his attacks as well as attacks to finally bring him down the rest of the way.
So what are fights like in EQ? I am just curious how far it has come from the game I played many many years ago.
That's really a dumb comment. No matter how great your game is, everyone is going to get tired of it eventually. There is no magical way of making a game so great no one will sell it used.
Are you joking? You think any used store actually makes the employees make decisions? They have a list of all the games and prices they will offer for a game.
And as an aside, this isn't text messaging. You can actually spell out "are". Considering you spelled everything else out, I assume you can do that word too.
I have to call bs to this. Each company has an IP. Each one is trying to build a fun game around there own world. Each one has created an MMORPG. If they created and FPS, then fine...but they didn't. AoC is a direct competitor to WoW. It really doesn't matter what world they are trying to recreate. One is going to be more fun than the other and draw more people. It is pretty clear most people find WoW more entertaining. Comparing them is completely justified.
No, she is dumb. It is obvious to everyone other than those with mental issues. And you might not want to call people a moron and then be unable to spell "repeatedly". Seriously, it was your only sentence.
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Uhh, why do you put higher expectations on AI then you do on yourself? If you learned all the basics of a game and reached a limit, someone better than you could let you know how to improve your game. You expect an AI to be perfect and be able to anticipate every strategy? That's great, show me a human that can do that first though.
What planet are you from? It seems if Nintendo came up with a new suppository add-on for the wiimote people would be falling over each other saying how great it was. Even when Nintendo was in third place in the last gen, people would moan how great it was compared to others.
It is great that Nintendo has come up with a new controller and provides a cheap console for the masses. But to expect everyone to love it because you do isn't realistic. For me, it really doesn't have the games I am interested in. Most of my friends who have it don't touch it any more. Some people just aren't going to get it...and it shouldn't diminish your enjoyment of it just because others don't care for it.
Uh, they all have advertising integrated in to the products. That's sort of the point and how they are all profitable. You are saying all the sites out there that make profit through online ads aren't profitable because their product isn't online ads? That doesn't make any sense.
Uh, I really don't think so. I watch TV and don't have these issues. It has more to do with people wanting to have things when times are lean. Also, some people are competitive. They want to have what other people have but better..the whole keeping up with the Jones' mentality. You don't have TV channels yet you still consume movies and I am sure plenty of other items that you are not dependent on for survival.
Seems like a short sighted philosophy. Something simple minded that maybe an elementary school teacher would come up with to teach sharing. If we all didn't go to the store and buy whatever that we wanted just because someone else might need that item more, then we would pretty much buy nothing. Less things selling means less jobs means less people with money etc., etc. It would pretty much cause everyone to suffer. There needs to be a balance between not taking so much that others suffer and not taking too little, That balance can be struck not by everyone doing the same thing, but everyone being different. So the economy can handle some hoarders and some over-zealous yoga people.
And your game ideas are poor because it removes an important element of games: fun.
Or maybe life isn't black and white...maybe there are other factors...oh, like maybe a game that is more known about/anticipated will be more pirated than one no one cares about? Simply saying that a lot of people downloaded it and it is successful so piracy is good is flat out stupid.
It's only a straw man if that isn't the argument other people use. You are just changing the argument to something that is impossible to prove. This is just how you feel...purely opinion. You might as well say that people pirate because God came down and told you to pirate.
But according to you, when making financial decisions, you want the company to focus on the smallest percentage of people. Those who are picky and know how to use a torrent. You want these people to be catered to? Sorry, Slashdot does not represent the average person. The argument to not use DRM because some small number of people claim they won't pirate if it is DRM free doesn't make financial sense. Since you like to interject with something that is purely opinion, here is my opinion back: these mystical people you describe, the ones that don't buy because of DRM, are probably still going to come up with bull shit excuse to pirate the game. Meaning you might as well put a cheap, effective DRM (like a CD key or sell through Steam) to prevent casual piracy.
So if your penis is so big, then why are you so worried if other people have a better phone than you? Go get a job and stop being a homophobe.
Dream on. Android is the Obama of mobile operating systems.
So it is more intelligent, better than its predecessors, all in a sleek attractive package? Yeah, sounds about right to me.
And I am sure a greater number of those people will pirate the full copy. The old argument was that people pirated because of DRM. This shows that argument is false. People are just dicks and want stuff for free. So stop trying to morally justify it. I don't care if you do it, just don't try to make it seem like you are some sort of awesome freedom fighter because you are cheap and lack decency.
and it didn't get very deep. He defines addiction in games as games that offer rewards (they tend to be smaller rewards) for doing the same thing over and over again. Of course, this is focusing on MMORPGs, but I don't see why it has to other than it is popular to bash these games right now...which is a bit odd to me...but let me explain more.
Some of us like to game. Whether it be RPGs, FPSs, RTSs, TBSs, MMORPGs or whatever. There has been a negative reaction towards people who game from the general public. Gamers don't like this. What is the difference if we game for a few hours a night instead of watching reruns of TV shows we have already seen. There really isn't a difference (other than gaming uses more brain power since there is actually some interaction instead of just sitting there). But since it is newer and different from the norm, people will make fun of, write laws against, etc etc just as they did in the past for D&D and rock music.
MMORPGs are really not any different than regular games other than the regular content releases and more social aspects. You do the same things over and over again...sure. But you do it with different people and you are getting better at it each time you do it. Really, not much different from traditional games like chess or go. You are doing the same things over and over, but you are getting better and you are enjoying yourself. Nothing really to freak out about. But even many gamers on here are going to bash WoW because it's new and they can't spend as much time on it. That and they probably know someone who has screwed up their lives by playing too much.
But most people don't have issues. Like most people can go out on weekends have a few drinks, and not get wasted. But we all know friends who go out and drink too much. But that is more socially acceptable. Why? Because we live in a society that values extroverts over introverts. So because you don't want to go out with friends and feel more comfortable at home, you are weird. "Why would Bob rather play WoW than come get drunk with us? Man, that guy is a loser." But him staying home playing WoW is his time to recharge and be happy just like for extroverts, their time to recharge is being social with friends.
In any case, the whole MMORPG addiction thing is overblown. It is just because it is new to society that it faces so much scrutiny. Human beings have been finding ways to screw up their lives since the beginning of time. This is no different. In 100 years, people playing MMORPGs will be griping about all the holocube addicts. Why can't they just be like everyone else and play MMORPGs? Freaking losers.
The stereotype for Slashdot is living in your parents basement. and scared of or tend to scare off members of the opposite sex.
Or going in to obsessive detail when none was actually required or desired.
Ahh, Civ IV. It is the only game I ever played for so long that I freaked out when someone was shining a light in to my window ...only to realize it was the sun.
Um, that's not truth. I find it funny how Slashdot would mod you to oblivion for making that statement about people who play video games in general, but since it is popular to bash WoW, and those who play it, on here, it gets modded +5.
Truth is there are all sort of people who play. And yeah, I take it personally because I play. I am a 30 something who plays for two soccer teams and am quite athletic. I have a very successful career and own my house. I play first chair second violin in a local orchestra. I also have a good looking girl friend and plenty of amazing friends.
I play WoW because I find it fun. The nicest thing I can think to say to you is: Fuck you for stereotyping people. I expect better from this site and its mods.
Amazingly I am able to play WoW and still have sex. Then again, WoW can be better. It is cheaper (no sushi dinners to get it to put out) and it doesn't produce expensive children. He could have gotten some she-devil pregnant...so maybe WoW saved his life.
So you are saying that MMO's are only addictive and can not be good games? Who are you to say what others find fun or not fun? Non-MMOs like Disgaea are fun, addictive, and have plenty of grinding to keep you addicted so you can level up every item in the game to its highest level. I guess a game is a game to me. MMOs are just games with a community aspect to it that get updated often. There are good ones and bad ones. The social aspect and the adding of new goals can keep people hooked, but that doesn't mean it can't be a good game.
When you don't know of a certain capability, how can you play test that with it in mind? If a mapper doesn't know if you do certain things, you can fly...they aren't going to design the map around that. They will see if you can jump up on a ledge...and if you can't and are supposed to, make it lower.
Why should an MMO require you to always be in groups? FFXI was that way. Just to level you would have to be in a group. And you know what, it sucked! Having a balance of things you can do by yourself and things you can do with a group is what makes that game appealing to so many people.
The type of person who plays the game has not changed. Maybe the types of people you associated with did. Or maybe you just didn't get far enough to actually be doing raids (which are on the light side, but the new ones get back on track).
The game can be played as a solo game only if you ignore a large portion of the game. And you have to try to do it. It has a much better PvE experience than any other MMO out there hands down. To discount it shows your bias or ignorance.
That effect is there. But it had to at least be better than EQ otherwise everyone would have stayed there for their friends. I think people crave a better MMO.
I still think it is fair to compare WoW to other games in the genre. If you are talking about comparing as far as popularity goes, then I agree with you. But WoW did a lot of things right. To turn your back on it just because a lot of people are there for their friends doesn't make much sense.
So you laugh at the guy for his statement...then make excuses a mile a minute for EQ. I have not done high end raiding in EQ. Probably most people haven't done the current versions of EQ and WoW to really compare.
As the guy said, for some raid bosses, if one person make a mistake, it will screw it up for everyone. Yeah, you don't lose all your gear or levels, but I never really liked that and that really doesn't say anything about how interesting or difficult the fight is. I think that is the key...the fights aren't just hard, they are actually interesting.
Take Malygos (large dragon) for example. When you fight him, you need to kill him within 10 minutes or he will go berserk and kill everyone. There are these sparks that fly towards him, and if they reach him, they increase his power which can wipe the raid. You need to kill the sparks in a place where you can stand on them because it will significantly increase the damage you do. He will then fly up and spin the whole raid up in a tornado. The healers need to make sure everyone is near full health or you will die when you hit the ground. Once you get him down to enough health, you go in to phase two. Large spherical shields appear on the ground and your whole raid needs to stand in them otherwise you will get insta-killed. The bubbles shrink and shrink forcing you to move out of them and get in to the next one. There are all these wizards flying around on discs shooting stuff at you. You have to kill them, making them drop their discs so melee classes can hop on them, fly up, and kill the others that are flying around. After you kill all the wizards, Malygos blows up the platform you are standing on sending you to your death...except a red dragon flight flies in and saves you. Then you control the dragon to fight malygos. You have multiple abilities that you have to utilize to protect you from his attacks as well as attacks to finally bring him down the rest of the way.
So what are fights like in EQ? I am just curious how far it has come from the game I played many many years ago.
That's really a dumb comment. No matter how great your game is, everyone is going to get tired of it eventually. There is no magical way of making a game so great no one will sell it used.
Are you joking? You think any used store actually makes the employees make decisions? They have a list of all the games and prices they will offer for a game.
And as an aside, this isn't text messaging. You can actually spell out "are". Considering you spelled everything else out, I assume you can do that word too.
I have to call bs to this. Each company has an IP. Each one is trying to build a fun game around there own world. Each one has created an MMORPG. If they created and FPS, then fine...but they didn't. AoC is a direct competitor to WoW. It really doesn't matter what world they are trying to recreate. One is going to be more fun than the other and draw more people. It is pretty clear most people find WoW more entertaining. Comparing them is completely justified.
Let's not get worked up over this. It isn't like any real media sources are covering it.
No, she is dumb. It is obvious to everyone other than those with mental issues. And you might not want to call people a moron and then be unable to spell "repeatedly". Seriously, it was your only sentence.