Actually, since he said "I don't care" and then you list "I don't care" as a reason...he is partially correct (using your own metrics). Therefor you are incorrect to say he was totally and completely incorrect. Thanks for playing, better luck next time!
How in the hell did this get modded +5? Seriously, what is wrong with you people? People are going to have abortions (even if it were illegal). Why don't we actually use those stem cells to do something good? That's fine that there are other methods, use them too. But stem cells is not something that I have ever heard anyone use as a justification for abortion.
Justification for abortion go along these lines: people do not believe it is a human life yet, they can not afford to have the child so having abortion makes it less of a burden on the state, if you make abortions illegal, people will still get them but not in the safety of a doctor's office causing deaths and injury.
It's fine if you believe abortion is taking away a life and that it should be illegal. That is a completely rational stance and there are good options like adoption. But no one ever gets pregnant so that they can have an abortion to give stem cells. No one is arguing that we should have abortions to get stem cells. But since it is legal, why would you not utilize something that could help other people? I haven't heard even the most left pro-choice person ever give that argument as a reason to conduct abortions.
You are exactly the type of person who is sitting at the kiddie table now. You guys spit up your food and scream and cry about DRM and how it can't exist. You ignore the reality that DRM has been around for a long time and exists on almost all commercial software. Your dreams of all companies suddenly saying..oh, that AC was right, all DRM is bad, let's get rid of it is about as likely as you getting a date with a super model.
My post isn't bullshit. It is reality. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and scream "lalala" go for it. But in 40 years from now there is still DRM, maybe you will realize that it was better to talk about what DRM is the least onerous instead of removing yourself from the discussion.
I was going to make the same comment. I'm a gamer and never heard of the thing. What does it take to be successful these days? Oh well, if Palin is considered intelligent enough to be the VP, then I guess this gaming device could be popular enough to be called successful.
Well, that's Guild Wars. I really don't know any other MMO that feels empty like that. Yeah, you go in to instances and do raids, but that is because if they weren't in instances, there is no way anyone would complete a raid because other people would come in and screw you up.
And you can play most MMOs like a single player game. It's up to you to actually communicate. If going off by yourself isn't fun for you..well, then maybe you shouldn't do that.
No, no it doesn't scale. You can make the system bigger, but it only works if people spread out. Too many in one system and the node goes down. Last time I looked at their peak numbers of players (which I admit, has been awhile) playing at the same time is 50k. 300k playing all at once would cause Eve to explode. And not in the good way.
Eve did not solve this problem. When too many people are in one area, it is extremely laggy. I haven't played in awhile, but you would have to queue up in jump gates to get in to those systems. Large battles are won by whoever can survive the lag first. The only reason it kind of works is that they have a very small user base and it is a very simple game. And by simple I mean the graphics are very simple since it is a space game and battles are simple since you basically just hit F1 through F6. The complexity of the game lies in understanding how to play well, not in the actual computation.
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Um, hate to break this to you. I have never heard anyone talk about Platinum Trophies either. I have a feeling that hardcore MS gamers talk about gamerscore and hardcore Sony gamers talk about platinum trophies. The rest of the us just play games to have fun and aren't involved in the stupid fanboy crap.
That is a legitimate point. And there are certainly trustworthy pirates. But people on Slashdot largely ignore the fact that there are plenty of pirates out there that would be happy if you gave them a backdoor in to your machine. It is bizarre to me how Slashdot condemns people who open up e-mail attachments, but encourages you download from pirates. It isn't a rational argument.
I'm sorry, but that is just really poor logic on your part.
First, do more people actually feel that copyright is unjust than those who don't? You can't get a good idea on Slashdot since we represent a highly skewed group. Most people don't care about copyright and buy things legitimately. So now they are a minority, does that make them wrong?
Second, just because a majority thinks something is unjust, doesn't make them correct. A majority of people still wanted to have slaves. Slavery, I hope we can agree, is wrong no matter how many people in a Republic or otherwise tries to tell you it is right.
Fact of the matter is, piracy is wrong. You can come up with as much whines and cries about the laws as you want to make yourself feel better about pirating, but that's all your are doing, making up justifications to do something that is wrong and illegal. Why is it wrong? Because you are denying someone compensation for their work. You may not like how it is all distributed, but you don't have a right to screw these people over.
Oh, give me a break. It has little to do with working better and more to do with people not having to pay for stuff and little chance of getting caught or punished. Copyright laws may be flawed, but they are not completely unjust. The people who use things without paying their fair share are the unjust ones...not rebels against an unfair law.
And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.
I don't totally disagree with you, though. We do give the middle man too much and the artist too little. But pirating gives the artist less.
Oh sheesh. Stop making up scenarios that apply to.001% of the population (the ones that are in your scenario AND actually care about gaming using downloads). Besides, Steam isn't the only option out there. For those people they just don't use Steam. Making up a strange scenario that probably would never happen is not a counter argument to Steam.
The problem is that DRM is a broad term. If all DRM was like Spore, then I would agree with you. But it isn't, there are CD-keys, server authentication, and services like Steam. It does work to a certain extent. The argument isn't if DRM should exist...it is here to stay (and Stardock uses DRM as well). The debate should be what DRM is acceptable to the customers. Saying that all DRM should not exist just means you won't get to sit at the grown up table anymore. It exists, it always will exist in some form, and it does prevent many people from pirating. There is no way to prevent something from being pirated...true, but there are a lot of people out there who don't even know how to torrent that are going to just buy the game rather than try to figure out where and how to run a cracked game.
Your argument suffers from the opposite assumption; that piracy does not represent a significant loss of money to the developers. Say only 20% of piracy would have led to sales. If 10,000 people pirate it, that still represents a significant amount of profit.
There are many legal ways to avoid your "Turd in a Can". Don't buy a game the day it comes out. Get your friends' opinions of the game. Find a reviewer that has similar taste in games. Go to a site where users rate games and write reviews.
The problem is that people are lazy and greedy. If people used piracy as a way to demo games and then buy, it wouldn't be an issue. Most people will just pirate, make up some kind of justification in their head on why it isn't worth it, play it for hours, and then download the next one. I realize there are a lot of shades of gray out there, but I highly doubt the majority of pirates are ever going to pay for a game.
You are ignoring the reality of the situation. If I make a car, I take in to account all the materials, labor, distribution, and advertising to come up with the price of the car. When the car is sold, I do not have the car any more but I have made money from the sale that covers the cost.
Software on the other hand takes a lot of money to make, but I can make unlimited copies of it. The problem is, so can other people. If there were no restrictions, then most software wouldn't exist because there is no way to make a profit on it.
As soon as you can look at a car and then make a replica of that car with minimal effort and no cost, you will start seeing restrictions on that as well.
The world isn't as black and white as you want it to be. You fail to be reasonable.
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Umm, your scenario makes no sense. If you are going to play PC games at your friend house, you take your PC and have a LAN party. If you are going to play console games, they already have the game, or you do, and you go over there and play it.
Your Steam scenario doesn't exist and is, quite frankly, stupid.
Oh god, how such flawed logic can be considered insightful is beyond me. The guy is going to buy games regardless of the used market. You could argue that he couldn't afford to buy games if he didn't sell used, but that is weak at best.
Look at it from the developer standpoint. A person buys their game for retail price for $50. He sells it used and the developer gets $0. The guy who sold the game then goes and spends that money on another game. Is that game the same developer? Most likely not...and we are already assuming the guy isn't spending that money on something else. So the developer still loses that $50. You may argue that the person wouldn't buy it for $50. True, but there are many who would buy it for full price if they can't get it used. In any case, the developer still does not see any money for that specific product...so you are wrong, it does not support the developer at all.
You live in some sort of weird world where all manufactured games are owned by the same company. That's not true and let's pray it will never be that way.
You are making a lot of assumptions. You are assuming SE knew about it for a long time. I never heard of it, the same could be true for them. You are assuming these guys have talent. Maybe what they did really sucks. Just because it is 98% done doesn't say anything about the quality (of the game or the story).
The whole point of decades of training for airline pilots and astronauts is for them to fully understand each little bit of the A/C and how to work when it breaks.
You really show your ignorance here. Everyone knows it is really cold in space. It is much more important for the astronauts know how to fix the HEATER, not the A/C, if it breaks.
I actually have to agree with Moraelin on this. People (adult, children, whatever) in a MMORPG are going to want the fastest way to level. They are going to make the choices that give them the most powerful items with the least amount of effort. It has nothing to do with being a dick. You give users the ability to make content they are going to do this. They should have known better. They give with one hand and take away with the other.
By the time the next major SE release comes around, no one will remember this. Besides, anyone who is angered over them shutting down some jerks who only are able to make a game by illegally using resources from the previous game are going to be a few people on Slashdot. Most people will not know or care about this. And the people who are crying loudest here are probably going to buy FFXIII anyways.
SE core audience are not people who care about this hacked game (or even know about). The people who do care are small number of fringe people that won't touch their bottom line. Doing this won't tarnish their brand one iota. They have a right to protect their IP. You guys need to wake up and understand that companies are just groups of people. They deserve to be compensated for their work. They created the franchise and have every right to drive it in to the ground, ignore it, etc. Don't like it? Go through legal channels to do what you want. If you don't, don't bitch when they tell you to stop. You should have known better.
It is a casual sex dating site. He was uploading naked pictures of himself so that he could meet other people to have sex with. It is like going to a bar and instantly being able to figure out who is going to put out.
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Actually, since he said "I don't care" and then you list "I don't care" as a reason...he is partially correct (using your own metrics). Therefor you are incorrect to say he was totally and completely incorrect. Thanks for playing, better luck next time!
How in the hell did this get modded +5? Seriously, what is wrong with you people? People are going to have abortions (even if it were illegal). Why don't we actually use those stem cells to do something good? That's fine that there are other methods, use them too. But stem cells is not something that I have ever heard anyone use as a justification for abortion.
Justification for abortion go along these lines: people do not believe it is a human life yet, they can not afford to have the child so having abortion makes it less of a burden on the state, if you make abortions illegal, people will still get them but not in the safety of a doctor's office causing deaths and injury.
It's fine if you believe abortion is taking away a life and that it should be illegal. That is a completely rational stance and there are good options like adoption. But no one ever gets pregnant so that they can have an abortion to give stem cells. No one is arguing that we should have abortions to get stem cells. But since it is legal, why would you not utilize something that could help other people? I haven't heard even the most left pro-choice person ever give that argument as a reason to conduct abortions.
You are exactly the type of person who is sitting at the kiddie table now. You guys spit up your food and scream and cry about DRM and how it can't exist. You ignore the reality that DRM has been around for a long time and exists on almost all commercial software. Your dreams of all companies suddenly saying..oh, that AC was right, all DRM is bad, let's get rid of it is about as likely as you getting a date with a super model.
My post isn't bullshit. It is reality. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and scream "lalala" go for it. But in 40 years from now there is still DRM, maybe you will realize that it was better to talk about what DRM is the least onerous instead of removing yourself from the discussion.
I was going to make the same comment. I'm a gamer and never heard of the thing. What does it take to be successful these days? Oh well, if Palin is considered intelligent enough to be the VP, then I guess this gaming device could be popular enough to be called successful.
Well, that's Guild Wars. I really don't know any other MMO that feels empty like that. Yeah, you go in to instances and do raids, but that is because if they weren't in instances, there is no way anyone would complete a raid because other people would come in and screw you up.
And you can play most MMOs like a single player game. It's up to you to actually communicate. If going off by yourself isn't fun for you..well, then maybe you shouldn't do that.
No, no it doesn't scale. You can make the system bigger, but it only works if people spread out. Too many in one system and the node goes down. Last time I looked at their peak numbers of players (which I admit, has been awhile) playing at the same time is 50k. 300k playing all at once would cause Eve to explode. And not in the good way.
Eve did not solve this problem. When too many people are in one area, it is extremely laggy. I haven't played in awhile, but you would have to queue up in jump gates to get in to those systems. Large battles are won by whoever can survive the lag first. The only reason it kind of works is that they have a very small user base and it is a very simple game. And by simple I mean the graphics are very simple since it is a space game and battles are simple since you basically just hit F1 through F6. The complexity of the game lies in understanding how to play well, not in the actual computation.
Um, hate to break this to you. I have never heard anyone talk about Platinum Trophies either. I have a feeling that hardcore MS gamers talk about gamerscore and hardcore Sony gamers talk about platinum trophies. The rest of the us just play games to have fun and aren't involved in the stupid fanboy crap.
That is a legitimate point. And there are certainly trustworthy pirates. But people on Slashdot largely ignore the fact that there are plenty of pirates out there that would be happy if you gave them a backdoor in to your machine. It is bizarre to me how Slashdot condemns people who open up e-mail attachments, but encourages you download from pirates. It isn't a rational argument.
I'm sorry, but that is just really poor logic on your part.
First, do more people actually feel that copyright is unjust than those who don't? You can't get a good idea on Slashdot since we represent a highly skewed group. Most people don't care about copyright and buy things legitimately. So now they are a minority, does that make them wrong?
Second, just because a majority thinks something is unjust, doesn't make them correct. A majority of people still wanted to have slaves. Slavery, I hope we can agree, is wrong no matter how many people in a Republic or otherwise tries to tell you it is right.
Fact of the matter is, piracy is wrong. You can come up with as much whines and cries about the laws as you want to make yourself feel better about pirating, but that's all your are doing, making up justifications to do something that is wrong and illegal. Why is it wrong? Because you are denying someone compensation for their work. You may not like how it is all distributed, but you don't have a right to screw these people over.
Oh, give me a break. It has little to do with working better and more to do with people not having to pay for stuff and little chance of getting caught or punished. Copyright laws may be flawed, but they are not completely unjust. The people who use things without paying their fair share are the unjust ones...not rebels against an unfair law.
And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.
I don't totally disagree with you, though. We do give the middle man too much and the artist too little. But pirating gives the artist less.
You are thinking too small. Just think what the porn industry could do with it!
Uh, probably farming and drinking a lot of alcohol.
Oh sheesh. Stop making up scenarios that apply to .001% of the population (the ones that are in your scenario AND actually care about gaming using downloads). Besides, Steam isn't the only option out there. For those people they just don't use Steam. Making up a strange scenario that probably would never happen is not a counter argument to Steam.
The problem is that DRM is a broad term. If all DRM was like Spore, then I would agree with you. But it isn't, there are CD-keys, server authentication, and services like Steam. It does work to a certain extent. The argument isn't if DRM should exist...it is here to stay (and Stardock uses DRM as well). The debate should be what DRM is acceptable to the customers. Saying that all DRM should not exist just means you won't get to sit at the grown up table anymore. It exists, it always will exist in some form, and it does prevent many people from pirating. There is no way to prevent something from being pirated...true, but there are a lot of people out there who don't even know how to torrent that are going to just buy the game rather than try to figure out where and how to run a cracked game.
Your argument suffers from the opposite assumption; that piracy does not represent a significant loss of money to the developers. Say only 20% of piracy would have led to sales. If 10,000 people pirate it, that still represents a significant amount of profit.
There are many legal ways to avoid your "Turd in a Can". Don't buy a game the day it comes out. Get your friends' opinions of the game. Find a reviewer that has similar taste in games. Go to a site where users rate games and write reviews.
The problem is that people are lazy and greedy. If people used piracy as a way to demo games and then buy, it wouldn't be an issue. Most people will just pirate, make up some kind of justification in their head on why it isn't worth it, play it for hours, and then download the next one. I realize there are a lot of shades of gray out there, but I highly doubt the majority of pirates are ever going to pay for a game.
You are ignoring the reality of the situation. If I make a car, I take in to account all the materials, labor, distribution, and advertising to come up with the price of the car. When the car is sold, I do not have the car any more but I have made money from the sale that covers the cost.
Software on the other hand takes a lot of money to make, but I can make unlimited copies of it. The problem is, so can other people. If there were no restrictions, then most software wouldn't exist because there is no way to make a profit on it.
As soon as you can look at a car and then make a replica of that car with minimal effort and no cost, you will start seeing restrictions on that as well.
The world isn't as black and white as you want it to be. You fail to be reasonable.
Umm, your scenario makes no sense. If you are going to play PC games at your friend house, you take your PC and have a LAN party. If you are going to play console games, they already have the game, or you do, and you go over there and play it.
Your Steam scenario doesn't exist and is, quite frankly, stupid.
Oh god, how such flawed logic can be considered insightful is beyond me. The guy is going to buy games regardless of the used market. You could argue that he couldn't afford to buy games if he didn't sell used, but that is weak at best.
Look at it from the developer standpoint. A person buys their game for retail price for $50. He sells it used and the developer gets $0. The guy who sold the game then goes and spends that money on another game. Is that game the same developer? Most likely not...and we are already assuming the guy isn't spending that money on something else. So the developer still loses that $50. You may argue that the person wouldn't buy it for $50. True, but there are many who would buy it for full price if they can't get it used. In any case, the developer still does not see any money for that specific product...so you are wrong, it does not support the developer at all.
You live in some sort of weird world where all manufactured games are owned by the same company. That's not true and let's pray it will never be that way.
You are making a lot of assumptions. You are assuming SE knew about it for a long time. I never heard of it, the same could be true for them. You are assuming these guys have talent. Maybe what they did really sucks. Just because it is 98% done doesn't say anything about the quality (of the game or the story).
The whole point of decades of training for airline pilots and astronauts is for them to fully understand each little bit of the A/C and how to work when it breaks.
You really show your ignorance here. Everyone knows it is really cold in space. It is much more important for the astronauts know how to fix the HEATER, not the A/C, if it breaks.
I actually have to agree with Moraelin on this. People (adult, children, whatever) in a MMORPG are going to want the fastest way to level. They are going to make the choices that give them the most powerful items with the least amount of effort. It has nothing to do with being a dick. You give users the ability to make content they are going to do this. They should have known better. They give with one hand and take away with the other.
By the time the next major SE release comes around, no one will remember this. Besides, anyone who is angered over them shutting down some jerks who only are able to make a game by illegally using resources from the previous game are going to be a few people on Slashdot. Most people will not know or care about this. And the people who are crying loudest here are probably going to buy FFXIII anyways.
SE core audience are not people who care about this hacked game (or even know about). The people who do care are small number of fringe people that won't touch their bottom line. Doing this won't tarnish their brand one iota. They have a right to protect their IP. You guys need to wake up and understand that companies are just groups of people. They deserve to be compensated for their work. They created the franchise and have every right to drive it in to the ground, ignore it, etc. Don't like it? Go through legal channels to do what you want. If you don't, don't bitch when they tell you to stop. You should have known better.
because of other reasons (becoming a dad, rather suddenly)
I can't help but wonder how that happened. Well, I mean, not how the first part happened...how it could be sprung upon you.
It is a casual sex dating site. He was uploading naked pictures of himself so that he could meet other people to have sex with. It is like going to a bar and instantly being able to figure out who is going to put out.
...that makes it sound better than it really is.