Uh, you missed his point completely. Obviously that model works fine for games like Starcraft. He is saying that not all games are like that and shoving a multiplayer on top of a game that isn't really designed or meant for multiplayer isn't a solution to the problem in general.
I don't think it is a big deal. If you had fun playing the game, then what are you complaining about? If you viewed it as work, then why are you playing the game? So some people get to level faster now through the lower levels and get to ride on a zebra. Who cares? It doesn't effect the end game, it just allows the people who have leveled to 70 a million times a way to do it faster. I don't really think it is a great idea...but from the business side of things, it is pretty brilliant.
I think you are being fairly optimistic about how many players WAR will draw. A lot of MMOs have come and gone and WoW's numbers have still gone up. I don't think they even care about WAR. I think they figured this was a good way to get even more people...though I think it will cause a lot of people to dual box rather than add that many more legitimately new subscribers.
You don't know what you are talking about. Travel times in WoW are much shorter than pretty much any of its predecessors. And as time has gone by, travel times have become even shorter with all the portals in Shattrath. Mages have the ability to crate town portals. Warlocks have the ability to summon. Instances have stones outside that you can use to summon people there. Have you even played the game?
IP does not make the game, otherwise Final Fantasy 11 would have been just as, if not more, popular.
Comparing WoW to Diablo is ridiculous. It is like comparing counter strike to bejeweled. It is not the same genre.
And WoW does require twitch skills...not for PvE as often, but certainly for PvP. While a lot of it is gear dependent, twitch skills can make a huge difference between two equally geared opponents. Diablo (which I love as well) is about as dumbed down as a game can get. It requires virtually no twitch and is just a mindless click fest. It is completely dependent on build and gear.
I don't care if you like WoW or not...but you should at least have played it so you can know what you are talking about. And if you did, you missed the point completely...because it doesn't seem like we are playing the same game.
The reason WoW did well is that it was released more polished than any MMORPG. It took a hardcore genre and made it accessible to everyone. It made leveling, and yes, travel time less of an issue. You can actually solo all the way to the top level...that was novel compared to most other games of the time. It removed annoying crap like harsh penalties to death. The IP helped them have an initial fan-base. But it was the quality of the game that made it so popular.
The zerg existed before the Felhunter...maybe the Felhunter was inspired from the original zerg. That being said, you are comparing an in game picture to an artistic interpretation. I don't think it is a big deal.
The one thing I have learned from going back and playing D2 is that Blizzard borrows a lot of things from their other games. Actually, I think WoW is more closely related to Diablo than Warcraft (gameplay-wise). I see nothing wrong with them taking stuff that they did in WoW and applying them to their other games. They seem to do a great job of applying what they learn from one game series to another.
I think you are wrong when you say he is anti-mac. I think he is just being realistic. Since Macs aren't PowerPC anymore, they can easily run Windows. This makes it even less attractive to support multiple OS's since many Mac users either dual boot or run Windows through a vm. I think I would feel the same as you if I didn't have a Windows box. But I can see how they could make this business decision. Blizzard supporting Macs just shows how committed they are to making quality. Sort of confuses me why so many people on here are so hard on them.
If things stay dead, then only one, or a few, get to see that content. In a game with thousands of people, if things stay dead, the game becomes pointless almost immediately as all the content has been knocked down before people can see it.
Though I don't disagree that there could be more innovation and variety. Heck, I wouldn't mind seeing a modern version of shattered galaxies.
It's nice to see well-thought out posts rather than just fanboy/anti-fanboy rants.
I just wanted to state one thing. I am sure you are aware that one point in time WoW had a class that wasn't available to both factions (i.e. Shamans and Paladins). With the expansion, they abandoned this. Why? Simply because of balance. In PvE, some bosses were made much easier for one faction than the other. In PvP...well, just think about it. It is hard enough to balance classes with each other...how difficult will it be when each faction is different? Balancing this game will be hell. If they can pull it off, I will give them serious kudos. But the game isn't out yet..so it seems pretty dumb to try to compare it to WoW.
There seems to be this cycle of people spewing venom about WoW when a new MMO is about to come out and how much better it is going to be. They a few months later they all come back to WoW because they just aren't able to pull off something that keeps people's attention as much.
I say this as someone who has quit WoW multiple times. Not out of anger, just because I got bored with it. I go out and play a bunch of other games, then come back because it is fun again. And you actually see how much content they stick in there when you leave for a little while. After the expansion came out, I played my character to 70 and did a bit of EG content. When I came back a few months ago, I didn't know what the heck was going on they added so many things. Funny, you don't notice as it comes gradually...but when you leave for awhile, you see really how much they do.
It amazes me how much people hate WoW on this site. Why the heck would this be modded up? If you disagree, actually counter his points. How is he ignorant? He plays WoW and enjoys it. That just means he has different taste from you not that there is ignorance.
Aren't you just as guilty of slanting in the opposite direction? "They couldn't include the four other cities because the first two were so awesome and big! They couldn't fit that much awesomeness on the servers! Blizzard's IP is all from WAR! There is no original ideas and therefor WAR will be better since it has everything from WoW and more (except content)! People complained how easy it was to level in WoW but they were wrong...WAR makes it EVEN EASIER and it actually makes it more awesome since you run out of things to do faster and can have a real life. And there is one and only one thing to do in PvE. Take that WoW!"
Obviously, exaggerating for comedic effect...but that is how you came off to me.
We aren't talking about military theory, we are talking about video games. In regards to video games, his description isn't perfect, but it is good enough.
I'm playing D2 again right now. I think you are on crack if you call those cold, realistic graphics. Apparently your rose colored glasses make things look all "hardcore" and "real".
The people who modded you insightful obviously know nothing about programming or game design. What you wrote is ridiculous and would only penalize people who play the game correctly. The botters will just find something else to exploit and you are damaging everyone else in the mean time.
Wow, it's so easy, why didn't anyone think of that?/sarcasm
No matter how "fun" you make the game, there are still going to be people who are going to try to take shortcuts to get there faster. Playing an FPS online isn't a chore, you are playing because of the gameplay...but people still use bots and find ways to cheat. The difference is that people are paying to play an MMORPG and when other people cheat, it ruins other people's play experience. WoW is so much more casual and fun then other MMORPGs that game before. You are seriously naive if you believe "making it more fun" will stop people from botting/cheating.
My best friend was killed by a cop who was speeding without his lights on. I preface my post this way so you know that any stupid story you can produce has nothing on mine. I get extremely angry when I see cops speeding excessively without their lights on.
With that said, you are an idiot. An individual made a horrible mistake. I blame the individual, not cops in general. I get angry at the cops driving the cars that are going way too fast (and I mean 20+ mph over the limit, not 5-10 which I think is normal and fine).
You claim that you weren't speeding but you come off as a complete egocentric jackass so it wouldn't surprise me if you are self delusional. There are bad cops, but I know a whole bunch and they would rather not pull people over if they don't have to. Why? Because they are putting their lives on the line every time they do. They have NO IDEA that you are unarmed or if you are deranged or not.
You have no proof that the guy has said a lie. He was speaking about himself...do you know him? No? Then you aren't qualified to tell us if he is telling the truth.
It was debatably an armed robbery, since the cop had a visible gun strapped to his hip when he robbed her. Now, not only did the offending officer commit a serious crime. The other officer that was having coffee with him ALSO committed serious crimes. He also accepted the eventual bribe from the restaurant manager, but he also was an accomplice in the original robbery.
Oh really? You disgust me. Because the cop has a gun, it is armed robbery? How stupid can you possibly be? So your wife was naive and didn't know that the management has a policy not to charge cops. When they got a bill, they let her know that they aren't normally charged. When she told a manager, she told your wife that she was wrong and ripped up the check. Boohoo! How the hell is that armed robbery? The cops weren't threatening to shoot anybody. I understand why businesses have these policies. They are less likely to be robbed if there are cops in their establishment. But if they don't do this, guess what? The cops aren't going to come back and rob them! I go to a bar where I know the bartender. I get certain perks (like a cheaper bill). Is this robbery? You are clueless.
The real problem is that you are stereotyping people. This makes you no better than a racist. I suggest you try to get to know some cops. You will find out that they are normal people that have a very difficult job.
No, you are wrong. People THINK they are anonymous on the Internet but they are not. And if they are leveling credulous threats against a person or damaging their ability to find employment by saying slanderous things then they should be prosecuted. I am a person who thinks that we have become way too politically correct as a society and I still believe that threats and libel should be prosecuted. This is different than some moron spouting off anonymously and you should be smart enough to recognize that.
On a side note...if you are going to call someone stupid, it is a good idea to spell "stupid" right.
What is with people taking a ruling and then applying it to something unrelated and stupid? Some guys leveled specific threats and allegations against individuals. Saying something against a whole site compared to individuals you know is a big difference. People complaining about problems with their iPhones isn't libel. There is absolutely no way that this would be abused in the way you stated.
Umm, no. No world (that I know of) exists where actions have no consequences.
Even "governmental consequences" exist in the American version of free speech and often for good reason. Like yelling fire in a crowded theater or threatening peoples' lives. If you think those are stupid exceptions, then I think you haven't really thought this through in a realistic way.
What freedom of speech actually represents is the right for people to criticize their government without consequences. So if I don't like Bush's policies, I can say so and not worry about people kidnapping me in the middle of the night to a private prison.
If I were to find out your real identity, call up your employer and tell them that you are a drug dealer, molest children, and are a danger to yourself and others...I sure bet you would be upset when you got fired because of this and would want to pursue legal ways to prevent me from doing this in the future. If the freedom of speech you want existed, this country would be even more screwed up than it already is.
Actually, you were negligent by not logging in. There was no agreement that they would store your data forever. It is an 8 year old game. Sucks that you lost all that "work", but your expectations are unreasonable. To me it is amazing that they still maintain servers for this long.
What kind of stupid logic leads your from PPV to D3 being under a subscription model? WoW is an MMORPG, of course it is pay to play. Get a better job if $15 a month is too much for you to handle.
You just prove yourself more stupid every time you post. The CNN link didn't even need refuting. He did something legal to win in Chicago, boohoo. The link I was referring to was from the suntimes...where he found a more recent article by the same freaking author that clarified things and showed how it was reasonable.
You are the hypocrite. You aren't even arguing the real points and no matter what anyone says you just respond with insults and misinformation (and a clear lack of reading comprehension). You are a sad, sad little person.
You are modded funny but I would mod you insightful. All this stuff that they say the media isn't reporting on, I heard through the media. Indeed, how did they hear these things...through word of mouth? If so, the person who told them saw/heard it from a media outlet.
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Uh, you missed his point completely. Obviously that model works fine for games like Starcraft. He is saying that not all games are like that and shoving a multiplayer on top of a game that isn't really designed or meant for multiplayer isn't a solution to the problem in general.
I don't think it is a big deal. If you had fun playing the game, then what are you complaining about? If you viewed it as work, then why are you playing the game? So some people get to level faster now through the lower levels and get to ride on a zebra. Who cares? It doesn't effect the end game, it just allows the people who have leveled to 70 a million times a way to do it faster. I don't really think it is a great idea...but from the business side of things, it is pretty brilliant.
I think you are being fairly optimistic about how many players WAR will draw. A lot of MMOs have come and gone and WoW's numbers have still gone up. I don't think they even care about WAR. I think they figured this was a good way to get even more people...though I think it will cause a lot of people to dual box rather than add that many more legitimately new subscribers.
You don't know what you are talking about. Travel times in WoW are much shorter than pretty much any of its predecessors. And as time has gone by, travel times have become even shorter with all the portals in Shattrath. Mages have the ability to crate town portals. Warlocks have the ability to summon. Instances have stones outside that you can use to summon people there. Have you even played the game?
IP does not make the game, otherwise Final Fantasy 11 would have been just as, if not more, popular.
Comparing WoW to Diablo is ridiculous. It is like comparing counter strike to bejeweled. It is not the same genre.
And WoW does require twitch skills...not for PvE as often, but certainly for PvP. While a lot of it is gear dependent, twitch skills can make a huge difference between two equally geared opponents. Diablo (which I love as well) is about as dumbed down as a game can get. It requires virtually no twitch and is just a mindless click fest. It is completely dependent on build and gear.
I don't care if you like WoW or not...but you should at least have played it so you can know what you are talking about. And if you did, you missed the point completely...because it doesn't seem like we are playing the same game.
The reason WoW did well is that it was released more polished than any MMORPG. It took a hardcore genre and made it accessible to everyone. It made leveling, and yes, travel time less of an issue. You can actually solo all the way to the top level...that was novel compared to most other games of the time. It removed annoying crap like harsh penalties to death. The IP helped them have an initial fan-base. But it was the quality of the game that made it so popular.
Or maybe because the 3D game isn't the same genre as the 2D game? Ever think of that?
The zerg existed before the Felhunter...maybe the Felhunter was inspired from the original zerg. That being said, you are comparing an in game picture to an artistic interpretation. I don't think it is a big deal.
The one thing I have learned from going back and playing D2 is that Blizzard borrows a lot of things from their other games. Actually, I think WoW is more closely related to Diablo than Warcraft (gameplay-wise). I see nothing wrong with them taking stuff that they did in WoW and applying them to their other games. They seem to do a great job of applying what they learn from one game series to another.
I think you are wrong when you say he is anti-mac. I think he is just being realistic. Since Macs aren't PowerPC anymore, they can easily run Windows. This makes it even less attractive to support multiple OS's since many Mac users either dual boot or run Windows through a vm. I think I would feel the same as you if I didn't have a Windows box. But I can see how they could make this business decision. Blizzard supporting Macs just shows how committed they are to making quality. Sort of confuses me why so many people on here are so hard on them.
If things stay dead, then only one, or a few, get to see that content. In a game with thousands of people, if things stay dead, the game becomes pointless almost immediately as all the content has been knocked down before people can see it.
Though I don't disagree that there could be more innovation and variety. Heck, I wouldn't mind seeing a modern version of shattered galaxies.
It's nice to see well-thought out posts rather than just fanboy/anti-fanboy rants.
I just wanted to state one thing. I am sure you are aware that one point in time WoW had a class that wasn't available to both factions (i.e. Shamans and Paladins). With the expansion, they abandoned this. Why? Simply because of balance. In PvE, some bosses were made much easier for one faction than the other. In PvP...well, just think about it. It is hard enough to balance classes with each other...how difficult will it be when each faction is different? Balancing this game will be hell. If they can pull it off, I will give them serious kudos. But the game isn't out yet..so it seems pretty dumb to try to compare it to WoW.
There seems to be this cycle of people spewing venom about WoW when a new MMO is about to come out and how much better it is going to be. They a few months later they all come back to WoW because they just aren't able to pull off something that keeps people's attention as much.
I say this as someone who has quit WoW multiple times. Not out of anger, just because I got bored with it. I go out and play a bunch of other games, then come back because it is fun again. And you actually see how much content they stick in there when you leave for a little while. After the expansion came out, I played my character to 70 and did a bit of EG content. When I came back a few months ago, I didn't know what the heck was going on they added so many things. Funny, you don't notice as it comes gradually...but when you leave for awhile, you see really how much they do.
It amazes me how much people hate WoW on this site. Why the heck would this be modded up? If you disagree, actually counter his points. How is he ignorant? He plays WoW and enjoys it. That just means he has different taste from you not that there is ignorance.
Aren't you just as guilty of slanting in the opposite direction? "They couldn't include the four other cities because the first two were so awesome and big! They couldn't fit that much awesomeness on the servers! Blizzard's IP is all from WAR! There is no original ideas and therefor WAR will be better since it has everything from WoW and more (except content)! People complained how easy it was to level in WoW but they were wrong...WAR makes it EVEN EASIER and it actually makes it more awesome since you run out of things to do faster and can have a real life. And there is one and only one thing to do in PvE. Take that WoW!"
Obviously, exaggerating for comedic effect...but that is how you came off to me.
Please go back and play D2. I think your imagination and time has made you guys forget what the game actually looks like.
We aren't talking about military theory, we are talking about video games. In regards to video games, his description isn't perfect, but it is good enough.
I'm playing D2 again right now. I think you are on crack if you call those cold, realistic graphics. Apparently your rose colored glasses make things look all "hardcore" and "real".
The people who modded you insightful obviously know nothing about programming or game design. What you wrote is ridiculous and would only penalize people who play the game correctly. The botters will just find something else to exploit and you are damaging everyone else in the mean time.
Wow, it's so easy, why didn't anyone think of that? /sarcasm
No matter how "fun" you make the game, there are still going to be people who are going to try to take shortcuts to get there faster. Playing an FPS online isn't a chore, you are playing because of the gameplay...but people still use bots and find ways to cheat. The difference is that people are paying to play an MMORPG and when other people cheat, it ruins other people's play experience. WoW is so much more casual and fun then other MMORPGs that game before. You are seriously naive if you believe "making it more fun" will stop people from botting/cheating.
My best friend was killed by a cop who was speeding without his lights on. I preface my post this way so you know that any stupid story you can produce has nothing on mine. I get extremely angry when I see cops speeding excessively without their lights on.
With that said, you are an idiot. An individual made a horrible mistake. I blame the individual, not cops in general. I get angry at the cops driving the cars that are going way too fast (and I mean 20+ mph over the limit, not 5-10 which I think is normal and fine).
You claim that you weren't speeding but you come off as a complete egocentric jackass so it wouldn't surprise me if you are self delusional. There are bad cops, but I know a whole bunch and they would rather not pull people over if they don't have to. Why? Because they are putting their lives on the line every time they do. They have NO IDEA that you are unarmed or if you are deranged or not.
You have no proof that the guy has said a lie. He was speaking about himself...do you know him? No? Then you aren't qualified to tell us if he is telling the truth.
It was debatably an armed robbery, since the cop had a visible gun strapped to his hip when he robbed her. Now, not only did the offending officer commit a serious crime. The other officer that was having coffee with him ALSO committed serious crimes. He also accepted the eventual bribe from the restaurant manager, but he also was an accomplice in the original robbery.
Oh really? You disgust me. Because the cop has a gun, it is armed robbery? How stupid can you possibly be? So your wife was naive and didn't know that the management has a policy not to charge cops. When they got a bill, they let her know that they aren't normally charged. When she told a manager, she told your wife that she was wrong and ripped up the check. Boohoo! How the hell is that armed robbery? The cops weren't threatening to shoot anybody. I understand why businesses have these policies. They are less likely to be robbed if there are cops in their establishment. But if they don't do this, guess what? The cops aren't going to come back and rob them! I go to a bar where I know the bartender. I get certain perks (like a cheaper bill). Is this robbery? You are clueless.
The real problem is that you are stereotyping people. This makes you no better than a racist. I suggest you try to get to know some cops. You will find out that they are normal people that have a very difficult job.
No, you are wrong. People THINK they are anonymous on the Internet but they are not. And if they are leveling credulous threats against a person or damaging their ability to find employment by saying slanderous things then they should be prosecuted. I am a person who thinks that we have become way too politically correct as a society and I still believe that threats and libel should be prosecuted. This is different than some moron spouting off anonymously and you should be smart enough to recognize that.
On a side note...if you are going to call someone stupid, it is a good idea to spell "stupid" right.
What is with people taking a ruling and then applying it to something unrelated and stupid? Some guys leveled specific threats and allegations against individuals. Saying something against a whole site compared to individuals you know is a big difference. People complaining about problems with their iPhones isn't libel. There is absolutely no way that this would be abused in the way you stated.
Umm, no. No world (that I know of) exists where actions have no consequences.
Even "governmental consequences" exist in the American version of free speech and often for good reason. Like yelling fire in a crowded theater or threatening peoples' lives. If you think those are stupid exceptions, then I think you haven't really thought this through in a realistic way.
What freedom of speech actually represents is the right for people to criticize their government without consequences. So if I don't like Bush's policies, I can say so and not worry about people kidnapping me in the middle of the night to a private prison.
If I were to find out your real identity, call up your employer and tell them that you are a drug dealer, molest children, and are a danger to yourself and others...I sure bet you would be upset when you got fired because of this and would want to pursue legal ways to prevent me from doing this in the future. If the freedom of speech you want existed, this country would be even more screwed up than it already is.
Actually, you were negligent by not logging in. There was no agreement that they would store your data forever. It is an 8 year old game. Sucks that you lost all that "work", but your expectations are unreasonable. To me it is amazing that they still maintain servers for this long.
It is also devoid of joy and fun. (I'm kidding, mostly)
What kind of stupid logic leads your from PPV to D3 being under a subscription model? WoW is an MMORPG, of course it is pay to play. Get a better job if $15 a month is too much for you to handle.
You just prove yourself more stupid every time you post. The CNN link didn't even need refuting. He did something legal to win in Chicago, boohoo. The link I was referring to was from the suntimes...where he found a more recent article by the same freaking author that clarified things and showed how it was reasonable.
You are the hypocrite. You aren't even arguing the real points and no matter what anyone says you just respond with insults and misinformation (and a clear lack of reading comprehension). You are a sad, sad little person.
You are modded funny but I would mod you insightful. All this stuff that they say the media isn't reporting on, I heard through the media. Indeed, how did they hear these things...through word of mouth? If so, the person who told them saw/heard it from a media outlet.