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Depending on the size of the flame there is a non-zero hazard associated with it: ultraviolet radiation. naked hydrogen flames are generally considered to be bad things to be avoided because most of their radiation is released in the UV.
The geek community has a chance to seize a little turf here; we need a nickname for the microwave zapper. It should be less obvious than: toaster, microwave, [ethnic slur]zapper. Possibly "tanning booth" or coppertoner? Dance track? ??.max
Note that this thing is highly visible and distinctive, dramatically moreso than a soldier with a gas grenade, for example. Thus, once the word gets out about how much fun this thing is to experience, we can expect that people will recognize and avoid it before it's ever turned on.
If that's not nonlethal, nothing is.
Note also, to the poster who said terrorists don't use large crowds as weapons, two words: suicide bomber. Failure to understand the effect of mass casualties is to fail to understand terrorism. Large crowds = mass casualties = weapon.
It can thus be argued that dispersing a crowd could save lives by diluting the victim density..max
Is the doe-eyed self congratulatory drivel of the parent article sufficient to rise above the threshold for acceptance into Ask Slashdot? I am picking up a strong Therman Merman resonance here. Prescription: STFU, get a clue and rent a life. jeebus.
OK, so free tv programming sucks. It sucks so bad that we want all the people watching it to shell-out, oh, say $500~$1000 for the reciever, plus another several hundred for a DVR since a VHS won't tape digital tv. So $1200 to $1500 to watch springer.
ahem. sure.
Here's some free insightful: television is television, and if you're sitting on your fat ass watching it, you're sitting on your fat ass, regardless of how "must see" it is, regardless of whether its cable or OTA. It's passive, it's slothful and it's spoon-fed.
How many of you self-styled technological ubergeeks have sat down and calculated how many hours a year you spend working to pay for your electronically delivered entertainment and recreational communication services? Jerking off in the bathroom is more productive.
fuck digital tv. Get some excercise. Learn to unicycle.
I started this reply on another subthread where the OP wrote about recruiters only targeting poor schools and not rich schools. Mostly (tautology alert) because recruiters get more recruits from Poor schools than Rich ones, but it seems more aprapos here...
What this pentagon list flap really says is that the wealthy class is perfectly content to let the poor fight and die while they go to frat parties, and we're running out of poor suckers.
Personally, as am ex early 80's submariner (C-w0lf) and third generation volunteer vet, i find offensive in the extreme the notion that the upper classes are so blithely content as to allow such a fundamental risk of citizenship rest almost soley on the shoulders of the lowest classes. The class refraction of the recruiting process illuminates an ungly, priveleged and aloof contemptuous attitude among those with the greatest gifts. It is not merely Un-american, it is Anti-American.
In peacetime, AVF is fine. But when it comes time for the killing and dieing, everyone deserves a fair chance.
I fully support a bi-gender across the board draft, with no non-medical deferments, and especially no college deferments, in times of us military adventure. Volunteers should get preferrrence in training/assignment.
Drag a few 10k's of kids from Harvard, UChicago, Brown, Skidmore and Stanford etc off to be enlisted infantry and i think our national priorities would snap into a laser focus.
I am 100% sincere about this. If our future is important enough to kill off poor blacks and latinos, then it ought to be important enough to spend our Winnetka (rich chicago suburb) treasure on too.
Seriously -- the first step to making good decisions is to have a realistic understanding of one's place, and the value of one's work product in the greater scheme of things. Dialing back the ego and pathological insecurities/approval seeking etc^6 behavior goes a long way. (And, as of yet, rock stars don't get outsourced to Mumbai)
This is a rather lib and null response. While yes there are hydrothermal vents out there, and they are hot enough to deform the manipulator arms of DSV's, all you or i can really say about their thermodynamic effects is that the ocean seems to be at an equilbrium condition of some sort with them. (well, not equilibrium, since they're depositing oodles of minerals etc..)
However, it's not really possible to cite HT vents, the total energy output and distribution of which i'm not aware, and use them as justification to dismiss the potential ecological or thermodynamic or other-dynamic response of the bottom of ocean to being used as dumping tens to hundreds of additional, localized gigawatts of power. All of the underwater heat injection installations currently extant are itty bitty toys compared to proposed really large scale industrial city-scale or greater heat injection.
Now, before someone whips out their knee-jerk sarcastic/. response, let me be clear: We. Don't. Know. Could be nothing to worry about at all, we don't know. I want to see the numbers, and I want to see the equations behind the numbers and a multidisciplinary analysis.
Another thought is that if we are going "pure" OTEC, using only the difference in temps between ocean and atmosphere, we're looking at a dTemp of about what... 70 degrees, tops? That makes for a very inefficent system. VERY inefficient. If we use it as a chilled water heat sink for a high temp source (fossil, nuke, solar, geo, bio, yadda) we improve our carnot efficiency a "bit".
My spidey sense is that there probably isn't a problem, but the thermodynamics and fluid flows of the atmosphere and surface waters are vastly different than the deep ocean. And while I certainly hope it is an idea of merit, i will remain skeptical, warily cautious of the environmental consequences, until it's been studied under the withering gaze of multidisciplinary scientific analysis.
How _does_ one make that kind of a "slight mistake" unintentionally? No, seriously, now you got me really curious.
I think that there are two perspectives here: manager/boss vs. coder. I imagine a boss could have quite a bit of fear of getting crosswise w/o knowing, maybe from a corner-cutting (or pissed off) programmer or through a flawed review process As a coder, i'd imagine it's pretty clear whether or not you're complying.
As to the specific mechanism of how, i'm out of my depth there other than to note that there an infinitude of ways to make mistakes in most endeavors.
I also suspect there's fear of the unknown on the boss's part -- ooh, those bbs things were full of mean people -- perceptual selection error. Kinda like introducing someone to usenet by way of talk.politics.*
How did you get from "mistake" or "percieved mistake" to "PLANS [emph. added] to break copyright"??
It's easy to say [paraphrased] "if someone posts bullshit, just point them to the truth and that's the end of it", but a cursory analysis of human nature, group dynamics and online behavior suggests that... you don't know what you're talking about.
The POINT being that if people are afraid to touch GPL because it looks like a third-rail risk, then they won't use it.
Your response, "Make a mistake:== planned IP theft" pretty much validates the boss's position.
My pleasure. BTW, and you can be the first to know -- while i was flaming, we set a new "world" record for antimatter production of 16.2e10 antiprotons/hour http://www-bd.fnal.gov/notifyservlet/www. Not that anyone else around here will see it.
PSSST! (Only one is a Fermilab guy!)
Let's try it again, because it was too subtle. "A Fermilab press release reports". Fermilab's official position is that Rocky and Three other people (from canada and italy) submitted a Phys. Rev. paper. Fermilab reported this submittal. That's their official position. wanna go 0 for four?
WRONG. It is an official laboratory statement, from the official mouth of fermilab, ergo it is the vetted, offical Word from Fermilab, the Insitution.
Whether the rest of Fermilab is consulted is irrelevant. If the Public Affairs dept issues a statement saying chocolit ice cream is the seventh force, it is by definition the official institutional position. "Official endorsement" by "all members of Fermilab" is such a stunningly idiotic test as to be sub-idiotic.
If you care to discuss the matter further, i will be in the Main Control Room until midnight.
I predict that Mr. Nastase is going to be on thre recieving end of a multi-institutinal, multinational collaborative ass reaming for his blatant and irresponsible sensationalistic bullshit. He goddamn well knows better than to start yapping about black holes without one hell of alot of backup.
i'd bounce him the hell off the collaboration..max
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Depending on the size of the flame there is a non-zero hazard associated with it: ultraviolet radiation. naked hydrogen flames are generally considered to be bad things to be avoided because most of their radiation is released in the UV.
The geek community has a chance to seize a little turf here; we need a nickname for the microwave zapper. It should be less obvious than: toaster, microwave, [ethnic slur]zapper. Possibly "tanning booth" or coppertoner? Dance track? ?? .max
Note that this thing is highly visible and distinctive, dramatically moreso than a soldier with a gas grenade, for example. Thus, once the word gets out about how much fun this thing is to experience, we can expect that people will recognize and avoid it before it's ever turned on. If that's not nonlethal, nothing is. Note also, to the poster who said terrorists don't use large crowds as weapons, two words: suicide bomber. Failure to understand the effect of mass casualties is to fail to understand terrorism. Large crowds = mass casualties = weapon. It can thus be argued that dispersing a crowd could save lives by diluting the victim density. .max
Is it morally wrong to trip some asshole wandering around with one of these things stuck to their face?
mmmmm....no.
Is the doe-eyed self congratulatory drivel of the parent article sufficient to rise above the threshold for acceptance into Ask Slashdot? I am picking up a strong Therman Merman resonance here. Prescription: STFU, get a clue and rent a life. jeebus.
OK, so free tv programming sucks. It sucks so bad that we want all the people watching it to shell-out, oh, say $500~$1000 for the reciever, plus another several hundred for a DVR since a VHS won't tape digital tv. So $1200 to $1500 to watch springer.
ahem. sure.
Here's some free insightful: television is television, and if you're sitting on your fat ass watching it, you're sitting on your fat ass, regardless of how "must see" it is, regardless of whether its cable or OTA. It's passive, it's slothful and it's spoon-fed.
How many of you self-styled technological ubergeeks have sat down and calculated how many hours a year you spend working to pay for your electronically delivered entertainment and recreational communication services? Jerking off in the bathroom is more productive.
fuck digital tv. Get some excercise. Learn to unicycle.
dotmax
Manned Space Flight More Dangerous Than Watching Boston Law!
If the draft comes to pass and i remember your post, i will move the heavens to have you drafted and slotted as a spear carrier.
What this pentagon list flap really says is that the wealthy class is perfectly content to let the poor fight and die while they go to frat parties, and we're running out of poor suckers.
Personally, as am ex early 80's submariner (C-w0lf) and third generation volunteer vet, i find offensive in the extreme the notion that the upper classes are so blithely content as to allow such a fundamental risk of citizenship rest almost soley on the shoulders of the lowest classes. The class refraction of the recruiting process illuminates an ungly, priveleged and aloof contemptuous attitude among those with the greatest gifts. It is not merely Un-american, it is Anti-American.
In peacetime, AVF is fine. But when it comes time for the killing and dieing, everyone deserves a fair chance.
I fully support a bi-gender across the board draft, with no non-medical deferments, and especially no college deferments, in times of us military adventure. Volunteers should get preferrrence in training/assignment.
Drag a few 10k's of kids from Harvard, UChicago, Brown, Skidmore and Stanford etc off to be enlisted infantry and i think our national priorities would snap into a laser focus.
I am 100% sincere about this. If our future is important enough to kill off poor blacks and latinos, then it ought to be important enough to spend our Winnetka (rich chicago suburb) treasure on too.
dotmax
Seriously -- the first step to making good decisions is to have a realistic understanding of one's place, and the value of one's work product in the greater scheme of things. Dialing back the ego and pathological insecurities/approval seeking etc^6 behavior goes a long way. (And, as of yet, rock stars don't get outsourced to Mumbai)
I'm sorry... rock star programmers... sheesh!
However, it's not really possible to cite HT vents, the total energy output and distribution of which i'm not aware, and use them as justification to dismiss the potential ecological or thermodynamic or other-dynamic response of the bottom of ocean to being used as dumping tens to hundreds of additional, localized gigawatts of power. All of the underwater heat injection installations currently extant are itty bitty toys compared to proposed really large scale industrial city-scale or greater heat injection.
Now, before someone whips out their knee-jerk sarcastic /. response, let me be clear: We. Don't. Know. Could be nothing to worry about at all, we don't know. I want to see the numbers, and I want to see the equations behind the numbers and a multidisciplinary analysis.
Another thought is that if we are going "pure" OTEC, using only the difference in temps between ocean and atmosphere, we're looking at a dTemp of about what... 70 degrees, tops? That makes for a very inefficent system. VERY inefficient. If we use it as a chilled water heat sink for a high temp source (fossil, nuke, solar, geo, bio, yadda) we improve our carnot efficiency a "bit".
My spidey sense is that there probably isn't a problem, but the thermodynamics and fluid flows of the atmosphere and surface waters are vastly different than the deep ocean. And while I certainly hope it is an idea of merit, i will remain skeptical, warily cautious of the environmental consequences, until it's been studied under the withering gaze of multidisciplinary scientific analysis.
When i tried this at my accelerator, i burnt a hole through it and started a radioactive fire.
I think that there are two perspectives here: manager/boss vs. coder. I imagine a boss could have quite a bit of fear of getting crosswise w/o knowing, maybe from a corner-cutting (or pissed off) programmer or through a flawed review process As a coder, i'd imagine it's pretty clear whether or not you're complying.
As to the specific mechanism of how, i'm out of my depth there other than to note that there an infinitude of ways to make mistakes in most endeavors.
I also suspect there's fear of the unknown on the boss's part -- ooh, those bbs things were full of mean people -- perceptual selection error. Kinda like introducing someone to usenet by way of talk.politics.*
It's easy to say [paraphrased] "if someone posts bullshit, just point them to the truth and that's the end of it", but a cursory analysis of human nature, group dynamics and online behavior suggests that ... you don't know what you're talking about.
The POINT being that if people are afraid to touch GPL because it looks like a third-rail risk, then they won't use it.
Your response, "Make a mistake :== planned IP theft" pretty much validates the boss's position.
QED.
Such a system would still be vulnerable to man-in-the-middle exploits.
All i can think about is the scene in The Simpsons episode 1f08 ($pringfield) where Gunter and Ernst capture their white tiger.
"Hey Tiger! " "Wake up" and they dart the tiger.
My mind insists on remembering this as "yoohoo!! TIgrrrr!!
So when i hear Mac OS 10.4 all i can do is run ja, hello tiger yoohoo in my head and giggle. I'm compelled to make tiger claw hands when i do this...
My pleasure. BTW, and you can be the first to know -- while i was flaming, we set a new "world" record for antimatter production of 16.2e10 antiprotons/hour http://www-bd.fnal.gov/notifyservlet/www. Not that anyone else around here will see it.
you're right. i completely misread the orginal post. my bad.
you mean... like the top quark?? .max
PSSST! (Only one is a Fermilab guy!) Let's try it again, because it was too subtle. "A Fermilab press release reports". Fermilab's official position is that Rocky and Three other people (from canada and italy) submitted a Phys. Rev. paper. Fermilab reported this submittal. That's their official position. wanna go 0 for four?
WRONG. It is an official laboratory statement, from the official mouth of fermilab, ergo it is the vetted, offical Word from Fermilab, the Insitution.
Whether the rest of Fermilab is consulted is irrelevant. If the Public Affairs dept issues a statement saying chocolit ice cream is the seventh force, it is by definition the official institutional position. "Official endorsement" by "all members of Fermilab" is such a stunningly idiotic test as to be sub-idiotic.
If you care to discuss the matter further, i will be in the Main Control Room until midnight.
FERMILAB. It is an official Fermi press release. Read the press release. You are stupid.
I predict that Mr. Nastase is going to be on thre recieving end of a multi-institutinal, multinational collaborative ass reaming for his blatant and irresponsible sensationalistic bullshit. He goddamn well knows better than to start yapping about black holes without one hell of alot of backup. i'd bounce him the hell off the collaboration. .max
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for another couple of weeks?