I don't get what the problem is? Genocide of the Palestinians would be a valid answer.
Not a very good one mind you, but it would be effective.
I kid. I kid.
All countries go through stuff like this because laws arent fast enough to keep up with technology. Or, the people creating laws don't understand the technology. Happened before and will happen again, in every country around the globe.
That said, the last thing I want is Nintendo telling 3rd parties to make casual mass appeal games. We already know Nintendo will do that and when it comes to Nintendo platforms, historically competing directly against Nintendo is not a good idea.
What convinced me to pickup the Wii this generation was titles like Red Steel. It looked like 3rd party developers might pick up the market that Nintendo neglects. If his message was make games my wife will like, I can't help but cringe a bit. I like gaming and for the most part, I like gaming how it is. I dont want hundreds of party games popping up, I already know there are going to be enough. Nintendo should be appealing to 3rd parties to develop exactly the type of games they wont.
That said, he has already explained his vision. Pretty much everything he said was a rehash.
You are 100% correct, its a developer conference ( although becoming less and less so every year ). So, where was talk about innovative ways to use the wiimote? Or Nintendos plans for online support? Or integration with DS's. Etc.. etc.. I can't imagine any developer got anything from that keynote. Again, if developers didnt know that Nintendo wanted wives and non gamers to be interested in the Wii, they have been hiding under a rock for the last year.
And hopefully this post illustrates the source of my caustic tone. Slashdot is a group of mostly intelligent people and I have had some great conversations here. That said, when it comes to certain subjects ( like the Wii, or the PS3 in reverse ) it just breaks into a hive mentality. I wish I wasn't interested in gaming, as I would avoid these conversations completely if so. Nicely, I have really good karma from posting to the rest of the site, I can afford to burn some here. Glutton for punishment I guess.
Sigh... yes, this wonderful leap of logic. That because I said something critical of a Miyamoto speech, im a Sony fanboy. Your grasp of logic amazes and staggers me, good sir.
For the record I own a 360 and a Wii, not that it is relevant to the conversation at hand.
This entire subject is once again being misrepresented. Its not ads they are putting in the games, its product placements. Kinda like the Oakleys in Mission Impossible, or the Dodge trucks in Twister. There is a big differenc between ads and product placement. So, basically this is nothing like cableTV ads and much more like movies.
That said, product placement in movies can get bloody irritating these days too.
[i]I'm glad Miyamoto discussed topics more pertinent to the developers than gamers.[/i]
Like what? Name one thing new Miyamoto actually told developers? That entire keynote was a rehash of exactly what Nintendo has been saying for the last year. If there was a developer in the house that didnt know Nintendo was targeting a more casual audience with the Wii, that dev has been living under a rock and is probrably in the wrong profession.
It was boring and content free, simple as that. Had Sony held the same keynote, there would be nothing but Phil bashing going on in this thread. But since Slashdot has become so rabidly pro-Nintendo, all objectivity has been lost in this regard.
... but, he didnt. He mostly talked about the development of the Wii. Tell me one thing developers might have gotten from his long winded keynote?
Sony, yes, they abused it a bit to showoff. That said, they atleast announced stuff relevant to developers. The new best practices and GPU tools immediatly come to mind. Also, if what they demoed is actually their answer to live, and HOME is opened up to developers, it is very important to the developers to see the direction Sony is taking things.
Nintendo announced nothing. Sadly, I forgot the Slashdot hive mind was so pro Nintendo. Being quasi-ever so slightly critical of Miyamoto is going to get you modded to trolledom. I really have to stop posting to the game section of Slashdot...
That was alot of talk about nothing. Atleast, nothing new. Yes, we get it, Nintendo is targeting a more casual audience. We got that at E3 and have basically got that since the Wii was announced.
I hope his translator was paid by the word. Poor bastard.
Man that was boring.
Need I keep going, or do you not want your happy anti-Microsoft fantasy shattered? MS has tons of "new", ironically, all of it will be copied by the open source world in the next few years, but hey... whats a few double standards between zealots, eh?
Of course it's no surprise (to me), just a disappointment. Imagine if the energy spent trying to hogtie the general (and 99%+ totally honest and willing to purchase) consumer were instead applied to making the technology even better?
You are being way to generous to your fellow man. No way is it even close to 99% of people that are honest. Almost everybody I know that has mp3's on their computer have atleast one ( generally hundreds or thousands ) that they havent paid for. Once the VCR went mainstream, almost every household had copied movies aswell.
I would go sofar as to say, the majority of people would copy movies illegally if it was easy and cheap enough to do so. There is a reason these companies are funneling millions into DRM solutions. Yes, they are draconian most of the time, but that doesnt mean they arent needed. I know this isn't the popular view here on slashdot, but frankly DRM exists for a reason and that reason isnt to screw some mythical abberant 1% of the population.
According to Jonathan Schwartz, the decision of Novell and Microsoft to '(suggest) that free and open source software wasn't safe unless a royalty was being paid' is what prompted Sun to finally come down on using the GPL for Java. So I guess every cloud has a silver lining.
If you believe that, want to buy some old dot com stocks I traded for some swamp land a few years back? Honest, ill give you a great deal!
A company the size of Sun does not move that quickly, especially so far as legal matters go. Besides, there has been talk of GPLing Java before Christmas for months.
Sun saw a chance to take a shot at Microsoft/Novell and they took it. Can't say I fault them, but its fairly obviously a lie.
Thats a very altrusitic view of the world you've got there.
The only thing that stops Linux and MS from talking is Microsoft.
Well... and the GPL. Much the same thing that gets in the way of Nvidia and ATI releasing source drivers. Under more liberal licenses, Microsoft wouldnt have an issue with interop, but if its GPL, they cant so easily add support, without having to make themselves exposed to GPL.
Frankly, the GPL is the best and worse thing that ever happened to linux. Yes, Microsoft takes more then there fair share of blame for not co-existing, but the zealot RMS takes far more. Its like he structures the license specifically to keep corporate interests away from FOSS. GPL3 is even worse.
They taught Pascal in my high school, which wasnt such a bad idea. Problem is, this was 15+ years ago and the guy teaching didnt know a damned thing about computers. I think computers are getting much more emphasis at the high school level low.
That said, we were taugh Alice Pascal, which was a sandboxed learning addition of Pascal. My vague memmories tell me that the sandbox itself put so many contraints on you, the you as much learned working around alice pascals limits, as you did learning pascal.
Then again, at this time I had already taught myself C and a few languages before that ( Yes, starting with BASIC on an Atari 800 computer ) so the experience was a rather painful one for me.
Well, nice to see we were proven right. Nintendo fanboys modded us to oblivion for daring to disagree. Too bad Digg sucks more, or I would be done with this place long ago.
... you havent used an Xbox 360 have you? Whats your motive, blind MS hate, blind Nintendo fanboyism, stupidity or all of the above?
Lets see... whats new...
3 core machine. Not just a faster processor, but 3 of them, each with a second processing unit ( think hyperthreading ). This means more advanced gameplay, better physics, etc... it affects much more then the graphics.
More RAM. Console developer friends say this was by far the biggest deal. Again, doesnt just affect graphics, but all of the gameplay.
Microtransactions. Love em, or hate em, but they are new.
Live Arcade. Kinda like Virtual Console, just a year earlier. Plus an excellent way to distribute indy titles and small quirky games people on slashdot seem to speak so highly of.
Live Marketplace. Download demos, trailers, videos etc...
Wireless Controllers Standard + Play and Charge Kit. Both new, both quite nice.
Removable Faceplates. Not my cup of tea, but some people think this is the shit... go figure.
Stream music from iPod/USB drive/PC, in game soundtrack for all games. Some people think this is pretty awesome.
Off the top of my head, those are some of the changes... yeah... all MS did was inject steroids into the original Xbox... *boogle*
On top of that, your definition of next gen is fucked anyways... How was the Genesis "next gen" compared to the Master System? Oh... wait, it was faster and had more ram, plus a few extra buttons. Ditto for the NES -> SNES, Playstation -> Playstation 2.
MAN, seriously stupid post on Slashdot. These days, anyone saying ANYTHING negative about Nintendo, even making fun of the seriously stupid name, is going to get modded into oblivion.
The slashbot mentality picked the Wii as the current flavour and all who disagree shall be modded into oblivion. I guess with Bill Gates turning into a genuinely nice guy and linux becoming pretty much mainstream, the needed a new cause to crusade for!
So come my friends, pick up the banner and be part of the hurd! Xbox and Playstation are evil only caring about better graphics that just dont matter! For real good gameplay, you need a gimmicky remote and outdated graphics!!! NINTENDO! NINTENDO! NINTENDO!
God the moderation system on this site really stinks sometimes. Oh well, see you in a couple minutes in moderation hell! (Score:0,Flamebait)
Its our press, technology press is always lame in this regard and always label each new thing as the "X Killer". Slashdot is just as guilty by parroting it again here in their posts, but frankly does that shock anyone?
Actually, there is one on the market ( Samsungs ) and half a dozen others in the works. I got a chance to get some hands on time with all of them at TechEd this year and frankly they are a pretty kickass setup. The Samsung model is by far the worst of the bunch, but many of the ones coming out are smaller then a franklin planner and these things are all powerful enough to run Vista ( or atleast, they were running Vista at TechEd ) and the onscreen keyboard is actually usable. They are lightweight, and one of them is coming with built in GPS for under a grand. Im highly considering picking that one up for use in my car. Ive wanted a PC for tunes for ages and I have wanted a GPS... picking both up in one package for under 1000$ is a pretty tempting offer.
Funny thing is, it just doesnt matter. KinderStart has probrably already succeeded at raising their google rank purely by launching this lawsuit.
Frankly, I had never heard of them before hand and generally dont go to a search engine to search for search engines. As a result of the press this will generate, more people will google "KinderStart" and thus increase both their traffic and google rank.
Kinda a sad abuse of the legal system, but in the end even if they lose they may win.
Have you seen The Simple Life, or Sweet Sixteen? I mean, I live here and still consider both those TV shows proof positive we need to be nuked to dust.
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I don't get what the problem is? Genocide of the Palestinians would be a valid answer.
Not a very good one mind you, but it would be effective.
I kid. I kid.
All countries go through stuff like this because laws arent fast enough to keep up with technology. Or, the people creating laws don't understand the technology. Happened before and will happen again, in every country around the globe.
How dare you compare Bush to Capone!
I mean Capone was a killer criminal, while Bush is...
Oh wait, nevermind.
Well said.
That said, the last thing I want is Nintendo telling 3rd parties to make casual mass appeal games. We already know Nintendo will do that and when it comes to Nintendo platforms, historically competing directly against Nintendo is not a good idea.
What convinced me to pickup the Wii this generation was titles like Red Steel. It looked like 3rd party developers might pick up the market that Nintendo neglects. If his message was make games my wife will like, I can't help but cringe a bit. I like gaming and for the most part, I like gaming how it is. I dont want hundreds of party games popping up, I already know there are going to be enough. Nintendo should be appealing to 3rd parties to develop exactly the type of games they wont.
That said, he has already explained his vision. Pretty much everything he said was a rehash.
You are 100% correct, its a developer conference ( although becoming less and less so every year ). So, where was talk about innovative ways to use the wiimote? Or Nintendos plans for online support? Or integration with DS's. Etc.. etc.. I can't imagine any developer got anything from that keynote. Again, if developers didnt know that Nintendo wanted wives and non gamers to be interested in the Wii, they have been hiding under a rock for the last year.
And hopefully this post illustrates the source of my caustic tone. Slashdot is a group of mostly intelligent people and I have had some great conversations here. That said, when it comes to certain subjects ( like the Wii, or the PS3 in reverse ) it just breaks into a hive mentality. I wish I wasn't interested in gaming, as I would avoid these conversations completely if so. Nicely, I have really good karma from posting to the rest of the site, I can afford to burn some here. Glutton for punishment I guess.
Sigh... yes, this wonderful leap of logic. That because I said something critical of a Miyamoto speech, im a Sony fanboy. Your grasp of logic amazes and staggers me, good sir.
For the record I own a 360 and a Wii, not that it is relevant to the conversation at hand.
This entire subject is once again being misrepresented. Its not ads they are putting in the games, its product placements. Kinda like the Oakleys in Mission Impossible, or the Dodge trucks in Twister. There is a big differenc between ads and product placement. So, basically this is nothing like cableTV ads and much more like movies.
That said, product placement in movies can get bloody irritating these days too.
[i]I'm glad Miyamoto discussed topics more pertinent to the developers than gamers.[/i]
Like what? Name one thing new Miyamoto actually told developers? That entire keynote was a rehash of exactly what Nintendo has been saying for the last year. If there was a developer in the house that didnt know Nintendo was targeting a more casual audience with the Wii, that dev has been living under a rock and is probrably in the wrong profession.
It was boring and content free, simple as that. Had Sony held the same keynote, there would be nothing but Phil bashing going on in this thread. But since Slashdot has become so rabidly pro-Nintendo, all objectivity has been lost in this regard.
... but, he didnt. He mostly talked about the development of the Wii. Tell me one thing developers might have gotten from his long winded keynote?
Sony, yes, they abused it a bit to showoff. That said, they atleast announced stuff relevant to developers. The new best practices and GPU tools immediatly come to mind. Also, if what they demoed is actually their answer to live, and HOME is opened up to developers, it is very important to the developers to see the direction Sony is taking things.
Nintendo announced nothing. Sadly, I forgot the Slashdot hive mind was so pro Nintendo. Being quasi-ever so slightly critical of Miyamoto is going to get you modded to trolledom. I really have to stop posting to the game section of Slashdot...
That was alot of talk about nothing. Atleast, nothing new. Yes, we get it, Nintendo is targeting a more casual audience. We got that at E3 and have basically got that since the Wii was announced. I hope his translator was paid by the word. Poor bastard. Man that was boring.
Sharepoint 2007 .NET 3.0
Office 2007
Sql 2K5 w/ CLR
XNA
Tablet PCs
Need I keep going, or do you not want your happy anti-Microsoft fantasy shattered? MS has tons of "new", ironically, all of it will be copied by the open source world in the next few years, but hey... whats a few double standards between zealots, eh?
Of course it's no surprise (to me), just a disappointment. Imagine if the energy spent trying to hogtie the general (and 99%+ totally honest and willing to purchase) consumer were instead applied to making the technology even better? You are being way to generous to your fellow man. No way is it even close to 99% of people that are honest. Almost everybody I know that has mp3's on their computer have atleast one ( generally hundreds or thousands ) that they havent paid for. Once the VCR went mainstream, almost every household had copied movies aswell.
I would go sofar as to say, the majority of people would copy movies illegally if it was easy and cheap enough to do so. There is a reason these companies are funneling millions into DRM solutions. Yes, they are draconian most of the time, but that doesnt mean they arent needed. I know this isn't the popular view here on slashdot, but frankly DRM exists for a reason and that reason isnt to screw some mythical abberant 1% of the population.
Oh wait... nobody watched Stealth. Carry on.
According to Jonathan Schwartz, the decision of Novell and Microsoft to '(suggest) that free and open source software wasn't safe unless a royalty was being paid' is what prompted Sun to finally come down on using the GPL for Java. So I guess every cloud has a silver lining. If you believe that, want to buy some old dot com stocks I traded for some swamp land a few years back? Honest, ill give you a great deal!
A company the size of Sun does not move that quickly, especially so far as legal matters go. Besides, there has been talk of GPLing Java before Christmas for months.
Sun saw a chance to take a shot at Microsoft/Novell and they took it. Can't say I fault them, but its fairly obviously a lie.
Thats a very altrusitic view of the world you've got there.
The only thing that stops Linux and MS from talking is Microsoft.
Well... and the GPL. Much the same thing that gets in the way of Nvidia and ATI releasing source drivers. Under more liberal licenses, Microsoft wouldnt have an issue with interop, but if its GPL, they cant so easily add support, without having to make themselves exposed to GPL.
Frankly, the GPL is the best and worse thing that ever happened to linux. Yes, Microsoft takes more then there fair share of blame for not co-existing, but the zealot RMS takes far more. Its like he structures the license specifically to keep corporate interests away from FOSS. GPL3 is even worse.
They taught Pascal in my high school, which wasnt such a bad idea. Problem is, this was 15+ years ago and the guy teaching didnt know a damned thing about computers. I think computers are getting much more emphasis at the high school level low.
That said, we were taugh Alice Pascal, which was a sandboxed learning addition of Pascal. My vague memmories tell me that the sandbox itself put so many contraints on you, the you as much learned working around alice pascals limits, as you did learning pascal.
Then again, at this time I had already taught myself C and a few languages before that ( Yes, starting with BASIC on an Atari 800 computer ) so the experience was a rather painful one for me.
... in your PDA? That's so 2005.
You mean photographed and OCRed in your smartphone... right?
Well, nice to see we were proven right. Nintendo fanboys modded us to oblivion for daring to disagree. Too bad Digg sucks more, or I would be done with this place long ago.
Oh well, hope you had the karma to burn aswell...
... you havent used an Xbox 360 have you? Whats your motive, blind MS hate, blind Nintendo fanboyism, stupidity or all of the above?
Lets see... whats new...
3 core machine. Not just a faster processor, but 3 of them, each with a second processing unit ( think hyperthreading ). This means more advanced gameplay, better physics, etc... it affects much more then the graphics.
More RAM. Console developer friends say this was by far the biggest deal. Again, doesnt just affect graphics, but all of the gameplay.
Microtransactions. Love em, or hate em, but they are new.
Live Arcade. Kinda like Virtual Console, just a year earlier. Plus an excellent way to distribute indy titles and small quirky games people on slashdot seem to speak so highly of.
Live Marketplace. Download demos, trailers, videos etc...
Wireless Controllers Standard + Play and Charge Kit. Both new, both quite nice.
Removable Faceplates. Not my cup of tea, but some people think this is the shit... go figure.
Stream music from iPod/USB drive/PC, in game soundtrack for all games. Some people think this is pretty awesome.
Off the top of my head, those are some of the changes... yeah... all MS did was inject steroids into the original Xbox... *boogle*
On top of that, your definition of next gen is fucked anyways... How was the Genesis "next gen" compared to the Master System? Oh... wait, it was faster and had more ram, plus a few extra buttons. Ditto for the NES -> SNES, Playstation -> Playstation 2.
MAN, seriously stupid post on Slashdot. These days, anyone saying ANYTHING negative about Nintendo, even making fun of the seriously stupid name, is going to get modded into oblivion.
The slashbot mentality picked the Wii as the current flavour and all who disagree shall be modded into oblivion. I guess with Bill Gates turning into a genuinely nice guy and linux becoming pretty much mainstream, the needed a new cause to crusade for!
So come my friends, pick up the banner and be part of the hurd! Xbox and Playstation are evil only caring about better graphics that just dont matter! For real good gameplay, you need a gimmicky remote and outdated graphics!!! NINTENDO! NINTENDO! NINTENDO!
God the moderation system on this site really stinks sometimes. Oh well, see you in a couple minutes in moderation hell! (Score:0,Flamebait)
Yeah, but dont blame Microsoft for that.
Its our press, technology press is always lame in this regard and always label each new thing as the "X Killer". Slashdot is just as guilty by parroting it again here in their posts, but frankly does that shock anyone?
Actually, there is one on the market ( Samsungs ) and half a dozen others in the works. I got a chance to get some hands on time with all of them at TechEd this year and frankly they are a pretty kickass setup. The Samsung model is by far the worst of the bunch, but many of the ones coming out are smaller then a franklin planner and these things are all powerful enough to run Vista ( or atleast, they were running Vista at TechEd ) and the onscreen keyboard is actually usable. They are lightweight, and one of them is coming with built in GPS for under a grand. Im highly considering picking that one up for use in my car. Ive wanted a PC for tunes for ages and I have wanted a GPS... picking both up in one package for under 1000$ is a pretty tempting offer.
Funny thing is, it just doesnt matter. KinderStart has probrably already succeeded at raising their google rank purely by launching this lawsuit.
Frankly, I had never heard of them before hand and generally dont go to a search engine to search for search engines. As a result of the press this will generate, more people will google "KinderStart" and thus increase both their traffic and google rank.
Kinda a sad abuse of the legal system, but in the end even if they lose they may win.
Have you seen The Simple Life, or Sweet Sixteen? I mean, I live here and still consider both those TV shows proof positive we need to be nuked to dust.
Yeah... I know. I after all this years still have trouble with how primitive Slashdots commenting system is towards making changes.
Although, in my defence, my errors were mostly spelling, not grammar.