So when do you think apple will give it to 3rd parties? It's coming out next week, so they are seriously running out of time to get production up and running.
They may have done it already. They may do it at the same time as the launch of the first device to use it. You won't know unless you are an Apple MFi partner. And if you are an MFi partner you'll be under NDA. https://developer.apple.com/programs/mfi/
There is no story here, just speculation from people that don't know.
Then where did the cache of UDIDâ(TM)s come from? How were they collected?
UDIDs used to be a de-facto standard way of third party developer's apps having a unique index of users. Many developers could have collected this. More recently it's been banned - such apps will be rejected by the app store. Thus it's probably an old list, and chances are, not from the FBI.
Heartland leaked documents. Most real, the most damming one faked. Maybe the name anon, maybe a different one. I'm afraid one can't attribute a good track record to random anon claims.
Except that Anon has real evidence in this case, and specifics.
They have a partial list of UDIDs with some correct data and some incorrect data in it. That's evidence they have a list. It's not evidence where it came from.
Remember when Heartland documents were aquired by an anon person, and they couldn't resist adding one forged document to the collection. I'm afraid you can't assume that you're hgetting the truth and the whole truth from an anonymous person.
And, for that matter, if this agent is real and doesn't do this, why aren't they hiding him and not making him available for interviews?
They have no need to comment. So no, if they had done it, they wouldn't have had to admit it. Equally because they had the option not to comment, the fact that they have denied it has more weight. Why choose to lie rather than not comment?
And now you're on to nonsensical insults. Clearly I can read and type, otherwise we wouldn't be having this correspondence.
Apples UI is a different issue from a different example. Yes, it is a usability nightmare. From the zillions of functions crammed in to the home button
Ah, finally it becomes clear you're talking about the iOS UI. And you're showing a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. All GUI OSs have elements that change with context. A real UI designer knows it's an area which CAN cause confusion, but is also a way to put in more functionality without cluttering the UI. It needs to be designed intelligently. An idiot that doesn't know UI design, and repeats what he finds on Google, without understanding it.
iOS users are not confused by the operation on the Home Button. It's not a bad design.
The original point: I can list just as many failed products and initiatives for Apple as you do Microsoft -- does that mean that "their vision for the past decade or two has mostly been wrong." Of course not.
Who said it did? The first was your reply comment, the latter was my earlier one.
And though you repeat you can find as many failed Apple products as I can failed Microsoft products, you haven't done so. You've just kept on changing the topic.
Your argument is pathetic. Get a clue.
There's nothing wrong with the logic in MY arguments, sunshine. You entered the thread saying that the market shows Microsoft isn't wrong. And then each comment after that fails to follow the same point as the last. You argue like a young girl.
Yes, Apple's UI is a usability nightmare. Go do a google search.
Why the fuck would I need to do a Google search? I know Apple's UIs are not a usability nightmares, as I use them. Google is for people like you that don't know, but want to find support for what they want to believe.
And in any case, the point of discussion was "failure" not usability. All those items I listed were Microsoft failures. They sold very poorly and were prematurely canned. The Kin after a matter of days. And they aren't individual products, they are various "visions" of the future, all of them wrong.
*IF* the topic was bad UIs, we could discount Microsoft's cash cows Windows and Office too. There would be nothing left.
The lack of competence is in your ability to argue logically and consistently.
So, the best you could come up with is one guy, who stopped working on Nautilus in 11 years ago. And since 2005 has been working for Google on the very much closed source Google+.
I think you demonstrated the paucity of UI talent that Linux has very well.
Zune. Kin. Windows Phone. Spot. Plays for Sure. Surface. WebTV. Ultimate TV. MSN TV?
They profit out of their cash cows: Windows and Office. But that's 20+ year old vision. About the only new market they've been successful in has been XBox.
The fee also has the effect of preventing people from participating in open source development, except for those professionals who have little difficulty paying.
Yes. That's one of the ways of increasing the signal to noise ratio.
Little manufacturing secret: making a perfect cube (all angles 90 degrees) is nearly impossible to manufacture. It's easy to do near-cubes (91/89 degree trapezoids), but a perfect cube will not slide out of the mold, and requires extremely expensive technology to do.
I remember similar arguments when Apple were first rumoured to be making their Alum monocoq "Unibody" laptop cases. Some said it was impossible. Some said it would be far too expensive. They went with the industry belief that laptops should been made from plastic, reinforced with bent steel. But Jobs was right. And now the rest of the industry is copying.
He wasn't always right, but for someone innovating the cutting edge computers, it was amazing he got far more successes than failures.
Byt when Steve Jobs wanted the Next to appear as an exact cube, it wasn't shit because he was the boss.
The NeXT Cube didn't fail because it was a cube. It failed because it was too expensive. When you're creating the cutting edge, there are bound to be failures. Jobs had far more successes than failures though.
When Apple wound up with a 10% market share and almost went out of business, it wasn't shit, it was just Jobs.
You don't know your history. Apple was still expanding when Jobs was fired. The fall was under a series of other CEOs. Once Jobs was brought back, Apple reversed the slide and grew to what it is now.
I don't know why your distain of meth would put you off what is IMHO one of the best series ever made. I mean few people are fans of murder, yet that's a central element of many of the best and most popular TV and movie creations.
Breaking Bad isn't about meth. It's about a character's journey from protagonist to antagonist. And that novel idea is what makes it great.
I get the amount of press that Microsoft gets as the computing world really does revolve around them but Apple? Really?
The world only revolves around Microsoft when it comes to the desktop OS. In mobile it revolves around Apple. Even though they don't have the lead in market share, those that do are copies of Apple's designs.
Also, as per the article, MS still has 90% of the desktop market, their vision very much matters
It matters, in that lots of people use Windows and their vision affects the direction that goes. But their vision for the past decade or two has mostly been wrong. You speak of mobile: they've been losing ground on mobile for years.
There is no reason such an interface couldn't run on winXP, win2k, or even somewhat in NT4, all you really need is the opengl support in the OS & drivers and you can do nifty things with alpha channel.
It's not a matter of technicals, it's a matter of taste and UI design expertise. Microsoft doesn't have any taste, and the Linux community lacks UI design expertise.
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So when do you think apple will give it to 3rd parties? It's coming out next week, so they are seriously running out of time to get production up and running.
They may have done it already. They may do it at the same time as the launch of the first device to use it. You won't know unless you are an Apple MFi partner. And if you are an MFi partner you'll be under NDA.
https://developer.apple.com/programs/mfi/
There is no story here, just speculation from people that don't know.
Then where did the cache of UDIDâ(TM)s come from? How were they collected?
UDIDs used to be a de-facto standard way of third party developer's apps having a unique index of users. Many developers could have collected this. More recently it's been banned - such apps will be rejected by the app store. Thus it's probably an old list, and chances are, not from the FBI.
Heartland leaked documents. Most real, the most damming one faked. Maybe the name anon, maybe a different one. I'm afraid one can't attribute a good track record to random anon claims.
Except that Anon has real evidence in this case, and specifics.
They have a partial list of UDIDs with some correct data and some incorrect data in it. That's evidence they have a list. It's not evidence where it came from.
Remember when Heartland documents were aquired by an anon person, and they couldn't resist adding one forged document to the collection. I'm afraid you can't assume that you're hgetting the truth and the whole truth from an anonymous person.
And, for that matter, if this agent is real and doesn't do this, why aren't they hiding him and not making him available for interviews?
That would be a silly precedent to set.
They have no need to comment. So no, if they had done it, they wouldn't have had to admit it. Equally because they had the option not to comment, the fact that they have denied it has more weight. Why choose to lie rather than not comment?
You underline the fact you're an imbecile. And a nasty one at that.
Do you get some kind of perverse pleasure about of being an imbecile?
Neither of them contain what you said was a quote, imbecile.
You did. I quoted you directly.
No I didn't. You're a fucking imbecile.
Again, as you seem incapable of reading
And now you're on to nonsensical insults. Clearly I can read and type, otherwise we wouldn't be having this correspondence.
Apples UI is a different issue from a different example. Yes, it is a usability nightmare. From the zillions of functions crammed in to the home button
Ah, finally it becomes clear you're talking about the iOS UI. And you're showing a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. All GUI OSs have elements that change with context. A real UI designer knows it's an area which CAN cause confusion, but is also a way to put in more functionality without cluttering the UI. It needs to be designed intelligently.
An idiot that doesn't know UI design, and repeats what he finds on Google, without understanding it.
iOS users are not confused by the operation on the Home Button. It's not a bad design.
The original point: I can list just as many failed products and initiatives for Apple as you do Microsoft -- does that mean that "their vision for the past decade or two has mostly been wrong." Of course not.
Who said it did? The first was your reply comment, the latter was my earlier one.
And though you repeat you can find as many failed Apple products as I can failed Microsoft products, you haven't done so. You've just kept on changing the topic.
Your argument is pathetic. Get a clue.
There's nothing wrong with the logic in MY arguments, sunshine. You entered the thread saying that the market shows Microsoft isn't wrong. And then each comment after that fails to follow the same point as the last. You argue like a young girl.
Yes, Apple's UI is a usability nightmare. Go do a google search.
Why the fuck would I need to do a Google search? I know Apple's UIs are not a usability nightmares, as I use them. Google is for people like you that don't know, but want to find support for what they want to believe.
And in any case, the point of discussion was "failure" not usability. All those items I listed were Microsoft failures. They sold very poorly and were prematurely canned. The Kin after a matter of days. And they aren't individual products, they are various "visions" of the future, all of them wrong.
*IF* the topic was bad UIs, we could discount Microsoft's cash cows Windows and Office too. There would be nothing left.
The lack of competence is in your ability to argue logically and consistently.
So, when I say that Apple's UI is horrible from a usability perspective and the fandroids say ' the market says otherwise' they're wrong?
That list was Microsoft's failures. Apple's UIs haven't been failures.
Whatever it is you believe is overriding your logic.
"But their [Microsoft's] vision for the past decade or two has mostly been wrong."
Couldn't be clearer.
You're still a prick. Take a good long look in a mirror. And try growing up.
So, the best you could come up with is one guy, who stopped working on Nautilus in 11 years ago. And since 2005 has been working for Google on the very much closed source Google+.
I think you demonstrated the paucity of UI talent that Linux has very well.
Zune. Kin. Windows Phone. Spot. Plays for Sure. Surface. WebTV. Ultimate TV. MSN TV?
They profit out of their cash cows: Windows and Office. But that's 20+ year old vision. About the only new market they've been successful in has been XBox.
The fee also has the effect of preventing people from participating in open source development, except for those professionals who have little difficulty paying.
Yes. That's one of the ways of increasing the signal to noise ratio.
Little manufacturing secret: making a perfect cube (all angles 90 degrees) is nearly impossible to manufacture. It's easy to do near-cubes (91/89 degree trapezoids), but a perfect cube will not slide out of the mold, and requires extremely expensive technology to do.
I remember similar arguments when Apple were first rumoured to be making their Alum monocoq "Unibody" laptop cases. Some said it was impossible. Some said it would be far too expensive. They went with the industry belief that laptops should been made from plastic, reinforced with bent steel. But Jobs was right. And now the rest of the industry is copying.
He wasn't always right, but for someone innovating the cutting edge computers, it was amazing he got far more successes than failures.
Byt when Steve Jobs wanted the Next to appear as an exact cube, it wasn't shit because he was the boss.
The NeXT Cube didn't fail because it was a cube. It failed because it was too expensive. When you're creating the cutting edge, there are bound to be failures. Jobs had far more successes than failures though.
When Apple wound up with a 10% market share and almost went out of business, it wasn't shit, it was just Jobs.
You don't know your history. Apple was still expanding when Jobs was fired. The fall was under a series of other CEOs. Once Jobs was brought back, Apple reversed the slide and grew to what it is now.
I don't know why your distain of meth would put you off what is IMHO one of the best series ever made. I mean few people are fans of murder, yet that's a central element of many of the best and most popular TV and movie creations.
Breaking Bad isn't about meth. It's about a character's journey from protagonist to antagonist. And that novel idea is what makes it great.
I believe Blackberrys are still on sale if that's what you want. However it seems that's not what most people want.
I get the amount of press that Microsoft gets as the computing world really does revolve around them but Apple? Really?
The world only revolves around Microsoft when it comes to the desktop OS. In mobile it revolves around Apple. Even though they don't have the lead in market share, those that do are copies of Apple's designs.
Also, as per the article, MS still has 90% of the desktop market, their vision very much matters
It matters, in that lots of people use Windows and their vision affects the direction that goes. But their vision for the past decade or two has mostly been wrong. You speak of mobile: they've been losing ground on mobile for years.
Nokia used to make most of their phones too. Whatever happened to them?
There is no reason such an interface couldn't run on winXP, win2k, or even somewhat in NT4, all you really need is the opengl support in the OS & drivers and you can do nifty things with alpha channel.
It's not a matter of technicals, it's a matter of taste and UI design expertise. Microsoft doesn't have any taste, and the Linux community lacks UI design expertise.