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How Apple's Story Is Like Breaking Bad

theodp writes "Over at CNN, Omar L. Gallaga explains how Apple's story is like Breaking Bad, the TV drama whose protagonist — high school chemistry teacher Walter White — decides to use his science skills to cook methamphetamine to provide for his family after being diagnosed with terminal cancer. Walter takes shocking, out-of-character risks but reinvents himself as a brilliant, feared meth chemist who grows more ambitious, ruthless and cocky with each victory. 'Like Steve Jobs,' writes Gallaga, 'Walter White's cancer awakens a panic in him to hurry up and leave a legacy through his work.' Gallaga continues: 'Like Walter White, it [Apple] has mixed the proper elements at just the right amounts to create highly pure, addictive products. The products have been made within secretive working conditions. The skill employed to design and manufacture them tends to make what competitors put out seem like cheaper, cloudier, less effective imitations.'"

288 comments

  1. Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And Samsung is Pollos Hermanos or just Tuco?

    1. Re:Samsung? by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Google is Hank.

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    2. Re:Samsung? by quenda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Samsung is one of the companies that actually makes stuff. Apple just does marketting and distribution, and does it well.
      So Jobs is more of a Gus, i think.

    3. Re:Samsung? by oakgrove · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Okay, seriously. This is getting a little over the top. Apple primarily makes smartphones, tablets, and laptops. If they fell off the face of the earth tomorrow people would just buy all that stuff from somebody else barely missing a beat. Yes, they are successful and yes, they make a lot of money. However, the level of philosophical importance that is being attached to the company is bordering on ridiculous. I'm not trying to be a hater but a ton of mindshare is devoted to this company completely out of proportion to their impact in the grand scheme of things. I get the amount of press that Microsoft gets as the computing world really does revolve around them but Apple? Really?

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    4. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, they're both dead.

    5. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, the level of philosophical importance that is being attached to the company is bordering on ridiculous.

      That border was passed a long time ago. Right about the time their products became "magical" and other such nonsense words...

    6. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if they fell off the Earth in 2006, before the iPhone? You'd be using Android (which looks suspiciously like BBOS) on a Samsung that looks suspiciously like a BlackBerry. They don't deserve the amount of mindshare they get because everybody else is criminally incompetent at UI/UX. Look around at your thermostats, car stereos, tv menus, etc etc. They're painful to use! Much like Jesus showed you a path to salvation, Steve Jobs showed you a path to a phone that doesn't suck ass. And yet TouchWhiz and MotoBlur are still touted as features. That's why Apple is important.

    7. Re:Samsung? by Zero_DgZ · · Score: 2

      That sounds good. Would it have an actual keyboard instead of some stupid on-screen BS? I thought we left that behind back in the PocketPC days, but surprise! Apple made a bad idea "trendy" again.

      I could do without, thanks.

      (Spoken by someone who STILL has a Nokia N900, because nobody has yet made anything better running a decent smartphone OS that has an actual damn keyboard.)

    8. Re:Samsung? by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Samsung is one of the companies that actually makes stuff. Apple just does marketting and distribution, and does it well.
      So Jobs is more of a Gus, i think.

      Apple doesn't make stuff? Where have you been hiding for the last 36 years?

    9. Re:Samsung? by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do I feel like I am watching a bunch of hens clucking?
      Worst article and post followup in the history of slashdot....
      This is not News for Nerds, its Drama for Dorks

    10. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs showed you a path to a phone that doesn't suck ass.

      Yes, while some may debate it, I'd say SJ did bring us the first smartphone that didn't suck and that was a huge milestone. However, that was 6 years ago. After that they just iterated. Nothing really new. Nothing ground-breaking. And certainly nothing to justify the open worshipping they receive in the press. Do people have no dignity anymore?

    11. Re:Samsung? by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Spoken by someone who STILL has a Nokia N900

      I had a Nokia 770 back in the day and I loved it. Carried it everywhere, wrote apps for it in Python, and used it as much as possible despite having one of the best Windows Mobile handsets at the time. Now I use a Galaxy Nexus and while it doesn't have the hardware keyboard (neither did the 770), I do have Ubuntu in a chroot, and a lot of the main cli tools like bash, vim, mc, etc. have native Android versions or can be easily compiled with the NDK so I'm not suffering too bad. I can't really think of anything I could do on the 770 that I can't do with the GNex but I do miss the old thing. Damn shame what happened to the company that made it.

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    12. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple designs stuff. Foxconn makes it.

    13. Re:Samsung? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Samsung is one of the companies that actually makes stuff. Apple just does marketting and distribution, and does it well.

      But most of all, Apple does design - "Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like," Jobs told the Times. "That's not what we think design is. It's not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."

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    14. Re:Samsung? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs showed you a path to a phone that doesn't suck ass.

      Yes, while some may debate it, I'd say SJ did bring us the first smartphone that didn't suck and that was a huge milestone. However, that was 6 years ago. After that they just iterated. Nothing really new. Nothing ground-breaking. And certainly nothing to justify the open worshipping they receive in the press. Do people have no dignity anymore?

      Yeah, nothing apart from the first tablet that didn't suck and that was a huge milestone.

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    15. Re:Samsung? by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      Obviously Samsung is Madrigal Electromotive...

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    16. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, nothing apart from the first tablet that didn't suck and that was a huge milestone.

      The iPad hasn't had near the effect on the market the iPhone had so while it is notable it isn't really what the GP was getting at.

    17. Re:Samsung? by Pieroxy · · Score: 0

      Without Foxconn there would still be iPhones. Without Apple, Foxconn would be at 10% of their actual size and there would be no iPhone.

    18. Re:Samsung? by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      And? That has nothing to do with the point they're making.

    19. Re:Samsung? by flimflammer · · Score: 2

      What if they fell off the Earth in 2006, before the iPhone? You'd be using Android (which looks suspiciously like BBOS) on a Samsung that looks suspiciously like a BlackBerry

      My god does that ever sound lovely. I recently had a smartphone with a touch screen thrust on me after years of holding out hoping I'd never have to deal with one, but thanks to Apple, almost no manufacturers care about good ol' tactile input anymore.

    20. Re:Samsung? by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Foxconn doesn't make anything either, they assemble. If you go down that route, nobody is making the iPhones. Many are making parts, some are assembling, some are transporting, some are designing and distributing.

      What is the point in nitpicking? Just for the pleasure of claiming that Apple doesn't make the iPhone?

      How dumb can you be? I'm no Apple fan, but if any company can be credited (or blamed) for making the iPhone it's Apple, and no other company.

    21. Re:Samsung? by tao · · Score: 1

      Actually, we did something better -- the N950, but Microsoft^WNokia wouldn't let us sell it.

    22. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all their DRM servers and infrastructure stuff fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, a lot of iphone owners would be screwed. Pretty much every single company that tries to play in the app market would be screwed too, by bad publicity and legal challenges when all their stuff disappears along with the platform it existed on.

    23. Re:Samsung? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      However, the level of philosophical importance that is being attached to the company is bordering on ridiculous.

      They're a US company making money hand over fist, therefore in the US they are held up as the "American dream", the "light on the hill", etc, etc. Politicians will point to them and say stuff like "you too could be a billionaire if you work hard enough". Never, ever, do such people question the desirability of having billionaires in the first place.

      I'm not saying billionaires don't work hard and I certainly do think hard work should be rewarded. However my 40yrs experience in the workforce tells me the harder the job the less the reward. It's not that cleaning toilets is intellectually or physically demanding (except for the strong stomach requirement), but here's a simple thought experiment on what "hard" work actually means; if the CEO's pay was slightly lower than the Cleaner's then I'm pretty sure most CEO's would still not want to trade places.

      Heh, just noticed your sig, says it all really. :)

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    24. Re:Samsung? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      They make some stuff now, but only because they bought the companies that were making it. They don't have their own big factories making components or assembling products, except for some CPUs. Foxconn does a lot of the work.

      The GP's point is valid I think, they don't really make that much stuff and they didn't invent most of it either. It has been commented that this is a weakness before since if their products ever fall out of favour they don't have much else.

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    25. Re:Samsung? by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't you think that NOT having multiple plants to produce all their phones is a strength if ever they can't sell a phone anymore? How can you put that in their weakness list?

      Let me tell you one thing: They build phones. They just outsource the mass production. This is completely different.

    26. Re:Samsung? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      We should listen too you on this subject, since you clearly have direct and current experience with crystal meth.

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    27. Re:Samsung? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      "Apple primarily makes smartphones, tablets, and laptops. If they fell off the face of the earth tomorrow people would just buy all that stuff from somebody else barely missing a beat."

      Go buy a Sansa mp3 player and an iPod and use them. You won't be claiming that they are just another company making products that can easily be replaced anymore. I am not a fan of Apple's tactics, but their hardware is superior and their software is excellent. Their engineers do things right.

      I am a major Linux fan, having used, administered, and written kernel code for it for 15+ years, however I recently acquired a used 2008 Macbook so I could do iOS development along with Android, and I can tell you that - while not perfect of course - their actual products are awesome. In fact I now run Linux in a Virtual Box VM on my Macbook so that I really have the best of all the worlds, and I sold my crappy Dell laptop that couldn't keep a charge on its battery for more than an hour and a half to save it's soul.

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    28. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple are an American based importer and designer of Chinese and Korean made goods!
      Virtually nothing is made in the U.S. for Apple, every thing is outsourced to China etc, so who do they REALLY support!
      And this is the "American Dream"?

    29. Re:Samsung? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you even read my post in full?

      Samsung makes most of it's phones. The display, the CPU, the RAM, the flash memory, the radios, the PCBs and a fair few other bits. They fabricate parts from raw materials and then they assemble them in their own factories.

      Apple does not make its phones. Apple doesn't have any factories or silicon fabs. They designed the CPU by buying the company that was designing it for them. Most of the other hardware was designed by other companies and all of it is manufactured by other companies, then finally assembly is done by Foxconn.

      How dumb can you be?

      Okay, you win the gold medal, congrats.

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    30. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they are successful and yes, they make a lot of money. However, the level of philosophical importance that is being attached to the company is bordering on ridiculous. I'm not trying to be a hater but a ton of mindshare is devoted to this company completely out of proportion to their impact in the grand scheme of things.

      Yes, there were smartphones before the iPhone: but none were really designed for 'regular' people. Yes, there were tablet PCs before the iPad: but they were actual PCs and where heavy and a nice; Apple's creation is something that is qualitatively different. You look at a "tablet" and a "tablet PC" and you can see they're different classes of device. Yes, there were notebooks before the MacBook Air: but not long after Intel created the "ultrabook" classification. Now look at the industrial design of the other machines in that class:

      http://dewith.com/2012/its-not-just-phones/

      You're telling me that Apple had very little impact on the industry?

      I'll end off with this quotation from the December 1994 issue of BYTE magazine (Bruce Murphy): Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep up with Apple.

    31. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Apple designs stuff. Foxconn makes it.

      That's only been true for the past 1/3 of their corporate "life".

      Apple started out making its own products. In fact, they had QUITE the modern manufacturing setup, with plants in several locations worldwide.

      But now, like nearly every other "hi tech" company, they use CONTRACT MANUFACTURING to reduce labor and capital expense costs.

      Why don't you trot this same argument out when there's a discussion about another computer or "computing device" company?

      Oh, I know...

    32. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 0

      Apple does not make its phones. Apple doesn't have any factories or silicon fabs

      So, in your universe, ARM holdings, Ltd. hasn't "made" anything, and therefore has no value; since they haven't "manufactured" one single ARM microcontroller, right?

      And the same goes for hundreds of "fabless" chip-design firms, such as PASemi. They didn't "design" anything, since they were without fabrication facilities.

      Samsung is a very unique company, in that they can pretty much take sand and copper and churn out finished goods. But even you admitted that they only make most of their phones. So I guess even they don't qualify, either, eh? And I would be very surprised if many of their products were not manufactured using the same Contract Manufacturing vendors that Apple (and a passel of other companies) use.

      Face it, there's a reason it's called a "Supply CHAIN".

      By your rules, Samsung doesn't make anything unless it mines the copper and silica, too. Bet they didn't manufacture their pick-and-place equipment, or the injection molding machines, either. Does that mean they don't manufacture anything?

      See how ridiculous your argument is? Of course you don't.

      Contract Manufacturing is a way of life. Of course you'd already know that if you had a job that got anywhere close to creating electronic "finished goods", whether consumer or industrial.

    33. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      It has been commented that this is a weakness before since if their products ever fall out of favour they don't have much else.

      Except for that $110 BILLION in the bank; which they got by being stupid and not making the right decisions.

    34. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 0

      Don't you think that NOT having multiple plants to produce all their phones is a strength if ever they can't sell a phone anymore? How can you put that in their weakness list?

      The moron puts it on his "weakness" list because he's too stupid (and or hate-filled) to understand what Contract Manufacturing is, or he would realize how ignorant he sounds to those who HAVE worked designing hardware products in the past decade or so.

    35. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 0

      Yeah, nothing apart from the first tablet that didn't suck and that was a huge milestone.

      The iPad hasn't had near the effect on the market the iPhone had so while it is notable it isn't really what the GP was getting at.

      You sir, are full of crap. Tell me how many companies were making finger-based tablets before, and after, the iPad?

      No wonder you posted AC, you chickenshit fucktard.

    36. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      If all their DRM servers and infrastructure stuff fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, a lot of iphone owners would be screwed. Pretty much every single company that tries to play in the app market would be screwed too, by bad publicity and legal challenges when all their stuff disappears along with the platform it existed on.

      Exactly WHAT "DRM Servers and infrastructure" are you talking about? The only thing that Apple maintains DRM on (and please show me a company that doesn't) is "video" content sold on the iTunes store. Movies and TV Shows. Period.

      And if you're talking about the iCloud infrastructure, I would bet that only about 10% of iPhone/iPad owners even use it, let alone would be "screwed" without it. I am as big an Apple Fan as anyone I know; but I don't personally use iCloud for ANYthing; simply because I don't like "Cloud" services in general, be it Google, Apple, Microsoft or Amazon. If an asteroid hit Apple's giant datacenter in Cary, NC, I would lose exactly NOTHING.

    37. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      do such people question the desirability of having billionaires in the first place.

      Have I got a book for you...

    38. Re:Samsung? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I'll end off with this quotation from the December 1994 issue of BYTE magazine (Bruce Murphy): Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep up with Apple.

      Amazing that that quote is just as relevant in 2012 as it was in 1994. And in 1994 it was already true for MORE than a decade. Bruce was being generous to the rest of the industry.

      Every time I hear the Apple-Haters spouting their ridiculous "Apple didn't invent anything!" rant, I wish they would be instantly transported to a land where there never was an Apple, Inc., or Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs. Most of them would be screaming "Let me outta here!" in about 30 minutes, tops...

    39. Re:Samsung? by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 1

      A very long time ago, O'Rourke was a sharp, witty guy. Then he quit doing drugs, started hanging out with old Republicans, and his writing went to shit. It's pretty sad.

    40. Re:Samsung? by milkmage · · Score: 1

      so Google just figured some shit out last night... while sitting on the can.

      W.W.
      "guilty as charged"

    41. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moron puts it on his "weakness" list because he's too stupid (and or hate-filled) to understand what Contract Manufacturing is, or he would realize how ignorant he sounds to those who HAVE worked designing hardware products in the past decade or so.

      Your underlying point is there, and I understand what you're saying. Hell, I even agree with you... but some advice:

      Lose the hate-filled invective. Seriously. You just sound like another pussy that needs a right cross to the nose followed up by a smack upside the head for good measure. I've never understood why the Apple and Linux camps have such shrill manginas populating them. And make no mistake, I run *NIX on everything I own. I'm not hostile to "the cause".. but I am to the delivery.

      Make your point succinctly, intelligently, and thoughtfully, and then move on.

    42. Re:Samsung? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Nokia used to make most of their phones too. Whatever happened to them?

    43. Re:Samsung? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I get the amount of press that Microsoft gets as the computing world really does revolve around them but Apple? Really?

      The world only revolves around Microsoft when it comes to the desktop OS. In mobile it revolves around Apple. Even though they don't have the lead in market share, those that do are copies of Apple's designs.

    44. Re:Samsung? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I believe Blackberrys are still on sale if that's what you want. However it seems that's not what most people want.

    45. Re:Samsung? by IceNinjaNine · · Score: 1

      Go buy a Sansa mp3 player and an iPod and use them. You won't be claiming that they are just another company making products that can easily be replaced anymore. I am not a fan of Apple's tactics, but their hardware is superior and their software is excellent. Their engineers do things right.

      It depends.. do I want an iPod Shuffle that gets a modicum of sweat on it and then heats up and self destructs, or do I want a Linux-friendly cheap-o player (Sansa Clip 4GB) that has survived countless trips to the gym, trail runs, etc? I've had both; the iPod lasted approximately 45 days while the Sansa is a couple years old and still running. It supports playlists and .. tada.. plays music. Good enough.

      Then again, I'm an engineer who drives a Subaru not for aesthetics but for performance (and my Subaru is really ugly, really fast, and is awesome in the snow). If you're into "purty" I can understand how the Sansa might not be your thing.

      Make no mistake, I've got a Linux workstation on the desktop both at home and at work, and a MacBook for the road.. and I really do like my laptop.. but Apple aren't quite as fabulous as you make them out to be. Given the trend of the Retina Macbooks becoming more difficult to repair, I will say that my next machine will be a Lenovo running Linux. I'll take an 1100 dollar assault rig over 2400 bucks worth of unrepairable.

    46. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmmm i have to agree, people are stupid, obsessive and easily led, the obsession with this ridiculous company borders on a religious cult or mass hysteria .entire lives are being devoted to debating the iphone 5 earbud or in celebration of apples ridiculous forays through the courts claiming they patented the finger or the rectangle with rounded corners. every aggregator on the web faetures at least ten stories about apple or jobs or whatever.
      todays top on popurls.com was apple redesign their headphones? i mean what the fuck? the top web story of the day is a strategic visibility pr leak about precisely nothing.
      if you own an iphone please just put it down and put a gun to your head instead, one, two, three... siri says "squeeze"
      in reality apple is a faceless bastard of a corporation, steve jobs was an arsehole megalomaniac who went slowly mad at the helm of the giant company,he actually "invented " very little and takes credit for obvious and common sense applications of other peoples technology- which is essentially designed by its users and market demand. the icrap is just stuff we would have whoever was the market leader.
      i dont shop a t tesco, i dont eat at mcdonalds and i dont buy icrap- on principle- any company that big is dangerous because of its sheer size. all those who adulate a dead, mad hippy control freak need their heads checking.

    47. Re:Samsung? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Your anecdote is meaningless. I have two different cheap mp3 players that didn't last two weeks, and one iPod 8GB Video 3G that keeps a licking and keeps on ticking. Your iPod nano was a 1st generation device, and Apple would have replaced it for free. I'm SOL, because none of these companies stand behind their product. Note that I am not an Apple fan per se, but at the same time it is important to present the facts regardless of bias. It is a fact that Apples mp3 players blow the doors off the competition and they stand behind their products.

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    48. Re:Samsung? by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      The iPad hasn't had near the effect on the market the iPhone had so while it is notable it isn't really what the GP was getting at.

      Did you see that little newspaper article about a year ago where the CEO of HP said they were considering leaving the hardware business? Do you know what part of the inspiration for that might have been?

      Seth

    49. Re:Samsung? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Without Apple, Foxconn would be at 10% of their actual size and there would be no iPhone.

      How do you figure that? Foxconn makes up an enormous share of all computer components. Without Apple, Foxconn would probably make about the same amount because whoever filled those niches would use them to a similar extent.

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    50. Re:Samsung? by LocoMosquito · · Score: 1

      Ironically, Gus Fring has a Samsung laptop.

    51. Re:Samsung? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      Foxconn doesn't make anything either...

      Actually, they were (and still are) a manufacturer of cables, connectors, etc. well before they branched out into contract assembly.

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    52. Re:Samsung? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Because this site is full of nerds with agendas, and it seems Apple is the new Microsoft. In the end, all of them are corporations, Google included, so I see no point cheering for one over the other.

    53. Re:Samsung? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand the benefits of replacing the keyboard with a larger screen. In that case, it's ok, blackberries are still being sold but the vast majority of the population decided they wanted to enjoy better multimedia features instead of having the best keyboard. Call it a compromise but it IS a major leap forward whether you like it or not, much like the GUI was a major step forward from text consoles (and frowned upon by some "experts" at the time)

    54. Re:Samsung? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Because of Apple a lot of industries evolved to the point where you can clearly see that the 21st century is very different from the previous one in terms of consumer electronics. If that is not important to you, it's ok, but an awful lot of people really do care so just skip those news if it makes you so mad.

    55. Re:Samsung? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      He's not full of crap. Please do let me know of another tablet that achieved the success that the iPad has had so far before you blast somebody the way you did.

    56. Re:Samsung? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      And more to the point, because iCloud kind of sucks. With 10.8 is kind of getting there, but so far the only truly useful thing I can do with it is just off-site backups and neat Notes sync. But the very uncool thing about all these cloud services is that they will make your network slow to a crawl in a household with several computers doing the same thing.

    57. Re:Samsung? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      Dude you have no idea what you are talking about, the thing about retinas is all about the text. Eventually you will find out when it makes their way to cheap PCs. I'm just telling you, this is no "buy my HD TV because I have 3D" kind of thing, this is the real deal.

    58. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, they are a fairly unimportant big company. If they disappeared it wouldnt make a lick of difference in the world.

    59. Re:Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they are successful and yes, they make a lot of money. However, the level of philosophical importance that is being attached to the company is bordering on ridiculous. I'm not trying to be a hater but a ton of mindshare is devoted to this company completely out of proportion to their impact in the grand scheme of things.

      Yes, there were smartphones before the iPhone: but none were really designed for 'regular' people. Yes, there were tablet PCs before the iPad: but they were actual PCs and where heavy and a nice; Apple's creation is something that is qualitatively different. You look at a "tablet" and a "tablet PC" and you can see they're different classes of device. Yes, there were notebooks before the MacBook Air: but not long after Intel created the "ultrabook" classification. Now look at the industrial design of the other machines in that class:

      http://dewith.com/2012/its-not-just-phones/

      You're telling me that Apple had very little impact on the industry?

      I'll end off with this quotation from the December 1994 issue of BYTE magazine (Bruce Murphy): Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the computer industry for the
      past decade as a massive effort to keep up with Apple.

      But but but that was the decade with no Steve Jobs who had been kicked out so that the company could be saved. Is Sculley not the bete noir in pays pomme?

  2. The bullshit is strong with CNN by siddesu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't we for a while at least stop ascribing a success, which is due to the hard work of a very large group of people over a long period to one man, and further look for some magical parallels where there are none?

    1. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ya I'll be honest I was going to come on here and write some intelligent insightful comment on how the article was wrong and stretching in it's comparison but that seems like pointing out the sky is blue or water is wet.

      This article is just so dumb I'm amazed it is on the front page of slashdot, sometimes stupid stuff gets on the front page but typically it isn't something like this that has no substance at all.

    2. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can't we for a while at least stop ascribing a success, which is due to the hard work of a very large group of people over a long period to one man, and further look for some magical parallels where there are none?

      tl;dr. Condensed version: "Rich people are right because they're rich and you're not."

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    3. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by fm6 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Short answer: no.

      Recently on Slashdot, somebody called Neil Armstrong "one of the greatest men of the last century". (I think Armstrong would have been livid at that description; like you, he hated minimizing the contributions of a lot of nameless people.) When I pointed out the absurdity of that description, I got flamed up the wazoo.

      People need heroes.

    4. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a large group of hard working people working for each of Apple's competitors too.

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    5. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Grayhand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can't we for a while at least stop ascribing a success, which is due to the hard work of a very large group of people over a long period to one man, and further look for some magical parallels where there are none?

      How soon they forget. When Steve Jobs came back Microsoft was having to prop up the company to avoid monopoly charges and Apple was still trying to sell slower technology for twice the money. Say it takes a team all you want, without Jobs Apple would have likely gone bankrupt so I'd give him some credit for their success.

    6. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs wasn't a hero. He was an anti-hero.

      Those apple fans who wanted a hero looked to the other Steve...

    7. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > People need Kool-Aid TM.
      FTFY.

      Heroes are for a group of people (i.e. fans) that are unable to unify themselves so they use an artificial means. i.e. sports fans, etc. Not that there is anything wrong with that, the problem is people like to stroke their ego by saying "I'm in this club, and you're not."

      You got flamed because the group think doesn't want to hear the truth about themselves.

    8. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so I'd give him some credit for their success.

      Don't be shy, say what's on your mind -- it is all his achievement.

    9. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Yes. Also this certainly falls in to the top 10 worst stories Slashdot has ever run. This is supposed to be News for Nerds, not Reddit's "what if" subreddit. Story quality has been sliding downhill pretty rapidly as of late.

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    10. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forbes?

    11. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by methano · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought everything showed up on the front page of Slashdot. Is there a back page?

    12. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by fm6 · · Score: 1

      You got flamed because the group think doesn't want to hear the truth about themselves.

      Who does?

    13. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say he means Wozniak

    14. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like Marcy Playground as much as the next guy, but I don't understand what John Wozniak has to do with anything?

    15. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ya I'll be honest I was going to come on here and write some intelligent insightful comment on how the article was wrong and stretching in it's comparison but that seems like pointing out the sky is blue or water is wet.

      This article is just so dumb I'm amazed it is on the front page of slashdot, sometimes stupid stuff gets on the front page but typically it isn't something like this that has no substance at all.

      Easy. Apple stories sell. Why did you think Gawker Media went apeshit two years ago with the iPhone 4 prototype they purchased? They probably made tons of money off that series of articles that they kept rerunning it for months afterwards. (Alas, they seem to have decided to waste that money on site redesigns that are worse than ever before and even unfriendlier to users which has steadily decreashed until the only ones left are trolls and such).

      Slashdot knows that any Apple article would generate 300+ comments, even if it's something along the lines of "Apple announces nothing today, again." That's guaranteed advertiser gold. (It's Apple's turn - even all the flamewars and generally pro-Android sentiment still generates enough page views to be profitable. Enough that even pro-Android articles don't make so much money.).

      How soon they forget. When Steve Jobs came back Microsoft was having to prop up the company to avoid monopoly charges and Apple was still trying to sell slower technology for twice the money. Say it takes a team all you want, without Jobs Apple would have likely gone bankrupt so I'd give him some credit for their success.

      Well, Microsoft's investment was $150M. Apple bought NeXT for $430M. The money Microsoft put in could be far less (they could've bought Be for half that or so, which was using Gassee's inflated value of the company).

      No, what Jobs did with Microsoft was basically pure investor relations. Investors tend to be like sheep - if a company is going downhill, investment money may not flow even if you come up with a killer product. By naving Microsoft BUY $150M worth of Apple stock (Microsoft never put money into Apple, they just bought stock), it signalled the markets that Apple was a company worthy of investment.

      In addition, by having Microsoft re-invest in their Mac business unit, it signalled developers that the Mac was worthy platform to develop for, not another one to ignore.

      Jobs' credit was basically counting on the ability of Apple fans to look the other way - this was a time when anti-Microsoft sentiment was high, that the Mac was merely the underdog in the Windows war, etc. So that keynote where Bill Gates towered over Jobs (on the large screen), it was a well-choreographed marketing moment - signalling developers and investors that Apple was viable, and hoping that the fanbase won't be alienated.

      That would be all she wrote, except for being in the right place and right time with the iPod - being able to produce a device as big as a flash-based player, but the capacity of a hard drive player that could be loaded in minutes, not hours, and doing so just before MP3 players became commonplace, effectively being there from the get-go when the market took off. (Then having the RIAA embrace digital album sales...).

      The switch to Intel came after Apple basically got spurned by both Motorola and IBM over PowerPC chip supplies (PowerPC AIM Alliance - Apple, IBM, Motorola). Motorola found it far more profitable to sell lower-end chips to the military, and IBM for embedded systems, and Apple always couldn't buy enough.

    16. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Neil Armstrong was one of the greatest men of the last century, but so were a whole heap of other people, including the men and women that made his flight possible.

      I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't diminish the contributions of the nameless people, but neither should we those of the renown people.

    17. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Much of Apple's success should be attributed to Jonathan Ive. It's the iconic design of the iThings that initially (and even now, with those lawsuits) distinguished and propelled Apple forward.

      What Steve Jobs did right was to give the design reins to Ive. In other words, Jobs was a businessman, and a savvy one at that, but he's not the all-around genius who singlehandedly restored Apple from near destruction as is often claimed.

    18. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 0

      Can't we for a while at least stop ascribing a success, which is due to the hard work of a very large group of people over a long period to one man, and further look for some magical parallels where there are none?

      No, because then "we" couldn't pretend that it will all stop now that he's dead.

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    19. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Grayhand · · Score: 1

      Short answer: no.

      Recently on Slashdot, somebody called Neil Armstrong "one of the greatest men of the last century". (I think Armstrong would have been livid at that description; like you, he hated minimizing the contributions of a lot of nameless people.) When I pointed out the absurdity of that description, I got flamed up the wazoo.

      People need heroes.

      I may have been the person you are blasting because I referred to his accomplishments as among the greatest in human history. It's one thing to do the math to send a man to the Moon but it's another to strap your ass to the rocket that sends him there!!! Armstrong will still be remembered long are your mods are forgotten! Science aside some one still needs to show the courage to climb into the rocket and flip the switch. Apollo 13 should have ended this argument. These guys kept their cool when faced with near certain death. You try keeping your wits in a tin can thousands of millions from the nearest repairman. These men were heroes by every definition I know!!!!!

    20. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by psiclops · · Score: 1

      Neil Armstrong was one of the greatest men of the last century

      so what did he actually do that would make one call him great?

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    21. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by psiclops · · Score: 1

      his accomplishments as among the greatest in human history.

      you should probably learn more history.

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    22. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Short answer: no.

      Recently on Slashdot, somebody called Neil Armstrong "one of the greatest men of the last century". (I think Armstrong would have been livid at that description; like you, he hated minimizing the contributions of a lot of nameless people.) When I pointed out the absurdity of that description, I got flamed up the wazoo.

      People need heroes.

      I may have been the person you are blasting because I referred to his accomplishments as among the greatest in human history. It's one thing to do the math to send a man to the Moon but it's another to strap your ass to the rocket that sends him there!!! Armstrong will still be remembered long are your mods are forgotten!

      A lot of very STUPID people are happy to go up in all manner of dangerous contraptions. If you think that is why Armstrong as a decent bloke, you're desecrating his memory. He had many attributes that directly contributed to the success of Apollo 11 but that does not mean no one else could have done it nor that there was no one else brave enough to do it. Lots of people do brave things up to and including laying down their lives every day.

      As for posts being remembered that is a function of the very argument you deride. You are in fact demonstrating that people - and specifically you - need heroes. That doesn't mean what the parent said was wrong. There is not always a colleration between popular and true. But the sweetest bit of irony is that Armstrong would have likely argued with you if he thought it would make any difference, and not just out of humility.

    23. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know how whenever anything actually technical and interesting shows up you don't see a full summary, just the headline? I reckon you could count those as being on the back page...

    24. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by ildon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Armstrong's humility is part of what makes him so great.

    25. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Catch 22!

    26. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, he did a lot more than just being the first person to walk on the moon you ass.

    27. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He got on a rocket. That's about it.

    28. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by gnasher719 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      How soon they forget. When Steve Jobs came back Microsoft was having to prop up the company to avoid monopoly charges and Apple was still trying to sell slower technology for twice the money. Say it takes a team all you want, without Jobs Apple would have likely gone bankrupt so I'd give him some credit for their success.

      Microsoft made a token payment, and signed a contract to continue developing and selling Microsoft Office for five years - the tons of money that Office for Macintosh makes was one reason, the fact that Apple had them by the balls for having code copied from Quicktime inside Windows was another.

    29. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative

      I thought everything showed up on the front page of Slashdot. Is there a back page?

      Yes. Basically everything submitted is there, and you can vote for articles to get them to the front page.

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    30. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what about the countless other people who did the same "more"? Plenty of engineers and test pilots in the Space Age. Neil Armstrong was the most famous passenger of the Space Age.

    31. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the various category pages, which have their own subdomain. These seem a bit less active than they used to. Time was you could head to the "linux" or even "bsd" sections and see frequent posts that didn't make the front page.

    32. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having balls of steel and making history with them.

      Very few men of the time (except for the ones that actually did this in the apollo program) would actually be willing to strap themselves on to a multistage rocket, travel to the moon, undock from the only ride home to land on a lifeless rock in an even smaller tin can, then hop out and video for the world, what could possibly be your last moments. Then on course, hope that part of damn thing actually can actually return you to the other tin can in orbit around the moon and be able to leave said orbit to return home through the atmosphere (at incredible speeds and incredible temperatures) in the remaining part of the said spacecraft that has about as room in it as your closet, in what is effectively a controlled crash in to a vast ocean, hope the damn thing stays afloat long enough for them to at least get you out and not sink to the bottom.

      Yeah, great man, one of very few of them with balls of steel making history. He and all of the others in the Apollo program should be remembered as such.

    33. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by quadrox · · Score: 1

      In cases of mismanagement where blame was placed on some people lower down, I have often found the phrase useful: "You can't delegate the overall responsibility away", meaning that management is still responsible for failures lower down, because they did not prevent these failures.

      I believe it is only fair to say that it works the other way around as well (for praise instead of blame). In spite of everything I dislike about Steve Jobs and Apple, there is no point in denying that he succeeded somewhere where all other companies have failed so far. Sure, after the IPhone, some companies started TRYING to produce better smartphones, but when you look at the ratio of actually good devices and awful abominations, it is clear that manufacturers are STILL struggling.

      Maybe Steve Jobs didn't personally design every last detail of i-devices himself, but he certainly got involved and he made damn sure that his workforce ended up producing good usable products. I don't agree with many things in the Apple world, but Apple has a clear goal with it's products and it makes sure that those goals are met. That is admirable, and Steve deserves praise/fame for it.

    34. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      This article is just so dumb I'm amazed it is on the front page of slashdot, sometimes stupid stuff gets on the front page but typically it isn't something like this that has no substance at all.

      You must be new here.

    35. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a damned good cyclist! Let nobody take that away from him!

    36. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did he find the time to do all this between his saxophone gigs?

    37. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by TFAFalcon · · Score: 2

      Plenty of men would have been willing to do it. It's just that they wouldn't have been able to learn enough to operate the vehicle, pass the physical tests and drug tests.
      The challenge was finding someone smart enough to pull it off, while at the same time stupid enough to try it :).

    38. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is apple.slashdot.org. Totally different world.

    39. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't we for a while at least stop ascribing a success, which is due to the hard work of a very large group of people over a long period to one man, and further look for some magical parallels where there are none?

      A very large group of people worked hard over a long period of time at Apple between when Jobs left Apple and came back. What kind of shape was the company in in the mid-90s?

      A very large group of people worked hard over a long period of time after the return of Steve Jobs returned. In what shape is the company in now?

      If not for Jobs' vision and leadership at the top, what else could explain the last ~10 years with the decade before that? Yes, there was a 'very large group of people working hard over a long period of time', but what they were working at has made all the difference. It was Jobs (and others) that chose the what and focused on it. And that has changed the company.

    40. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      or perhaps without jobs we would have had cheap beboxes for everyone.

      be was cocky about their apple deal because they _knew_ they had the better os - because it was better.

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    41. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by ffflala · · Score: 1

      Armstrong's humility is part of what makes him so great.

      Similarly, my own humbleness is what makes me so great. In fact, I'm almost certainly one of, if not the, most humble people you'll ever encounter.

    42. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Clsid · · Score: 1

      The Soviets were supposed to promote communal achievements, but even they understood the need for strong role models. That's why you had people like Gagarin and Zaitsev reach stardom in a system where they were supposed to be equal. Sure, Neil Armstrong couldn't have got there without a lot of scientists, but where a lot of people were part of the engine, this guy was at the helm of the ship so to speak.

    43. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by fm6 · · Score: 1

      The Soviets always pretended to be a communal society (they were "Communists" after all) but it was always something of a joke. Supposedly the state was run by a bunch of committees, and for most of their history they didn't even have a formal Head of State — but there was always one particular guy who was acknowledged as the source of all power. Communism was their ideology, but they were never truly communal.

      Armstrong was at the helm? No, that was Christopher Craft.

      I'm going to say it one last time, than I'm going to ignore this whole tiresome topic: Armstrong was not a "great man". Trying to cast him as such is hero-worshiping bullshit. Trying to shoehorn people into the "great man" stereotype only serves to obscure their humanity — which is where you usually find their greatest achievements.

    44. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by siddesu · · Score: 1

      If not for Jobs' vision and leadership at the top, what else could explain the last ~10 years with the decade before that?

      The development of suitable hardware in the meantime, obviously.

    45. Re:The bullshit is strong with CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You both beat me, good.

      I was going with: How Apple is like Microsoft
      When there's no Apple news to gripe about, /.ers get blueballs and will mod up any little piece of shit so we have our daily article.

      Help me Jebus.

  3. Like Breaking Bad ... by uq1 · · Score: 2

    Is that why there have been so many deaths surrounding the manufacture of Apple products?

    1. Re:Like Breaking Bad ... by valentinas · · Score: 1

      "Burying bodies?"
      "No, robbing a train."

  4. Shocking! by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is shocking how putting effort into producing a good product actually pays off from time to time.
    Nowdays it takes a real outlaw to put significant effort into appealing to customers.

    1. Re:Shocking! by Trouvist · · Score: 1

      For a moment there I expected you to use the word Maverick.

    2. Re:Shocking! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a moment there I expected you to use the word Maverick.

      I feel the need .. the need for speed.

    3. Re:Shocking! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more like apple to just tell everybody it's the best product than actually turn their fragile, restrictive, piece of shit into anything good. Then they sell their gear to school kids and grandmothers that don't know what a good high is.

  5. Must be.. by TheEffigy · · Score: 2

    Slow news day?

  6. It's totally true! by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Walter White didn't invent anything! He just packaged up his meth in blue crystals instead of boring white ones and the spinners were all like, duuude, I'm only going to buy your meth!

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    1. Re:It's totally true! by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Walter White didn't invent anything! He just packaged up his meth in blue crystals instead of boring white ones

      You are rated insightful more than funny, so even though this is meant as a joke:

      Walter White had challenged the general attitude of "they are stupid junkies, they'll smoke whatever we give them" by insisting that a higher-purity product will sell better. It is actually not the worst analogy to, say, Microsoft (you'll get our new OS with your new desktop and like it) vs. Apple (let's make our OS so that users like it).

      This is completely orthogonal to discussion of which may be better. It is simply a fact that achieving monopoly status leads to complacency towards customers.

    2. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you recall, he, "Walter White", changed his formulation to use methylamine when they couldn't get a sufficient supply of Sudafed (pseudoephedrine) from their "smurfs" which accounted for the blue tint of the formulation. It was his competitor that was actually using blue food coloring to emulate Walter White's 99.xx% percent pure formulation vs their 70% pure formulation to compete - sounds like a familiar tactic ala Samsung

    3. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The blue was due to changing their method to methylamine, s1 e7 IIRC

    4. Re:It's totally true! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Walter White had challenged the general attitude of "they are stupid junkies, they'll smoke whatever we give them" by insisting that a higher-purity product will sell better.

      I'm not sure if the attitude you are espousing is really all that common. Not really caring about quality is present among junkies, but junkies aren't going to be the most profitable customers, sometimes relying upon sexual favors in lieu of cash. Also, due to the contraband status of drugs, there is a significant advantage to having a concentrated product. Having less on you is preferable for not getting caught, so more profit per gram is highly advantageous. What Walter brings to the table is knowledge and expertise, which isn't really an area where Steve Jobs fits the parallel.

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    5. Re:It's totally true! by bothandeach · · Score: 1

      Apple just packaged up unpatented research at Comp Sci grad schools & Xerox Parc, and now wants to monopolize the market, as did Microsoft and Adobe before them. Robbers with expensive lawyers. Very very common ideas - patent office is to blame. The older I get the more I think the communists were right.

    6. Re:It's totally true! by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      season 9 no doubt will be a protracted courtroom drama where everyone gets sued over the blue crystal design patents.

    7. Re:It's totally true! by linatux · · Score: 1

      Betcha can't do just one!

    8. Re:It's totally true! by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      I'm totally in agreement with you. The butt of my joke wasn't meant to be Apple or Walter White, but the people who claim that Apple only succeeds by marketing or mind control.

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    9. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it is a fucking TV show so what ever the writers think makes sense happens. This is just a view grabber by dropping names in an absurd comparison.

    10. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Walter White had challenged the general attitude of "they are stupid junkies, they'll smoke whatever we give them" by insisting that a higher-purity product will sell better. "

      There's not a lot of attitude to challenge. I can't stand to watch Breaking Bad due to experience dealing with meth addicts. I had an everything addict roommate for a year who slipped up and started doing meth again, and after he split on the rent I had to cover that and clean up the mess he left behind...2 liter bottles of piss and syringes oh my. The guy was cool as long as his addictions were in check but when they weren't...well being around a couple of grad students drinking heavily to escape the pain wasn't healthy for anyone. About a year later I had moved and my next door neighbor and his stripper girlfriend selling and doing meth weren't a positive influence on my mental behavior to say the least. After they tossed their stuff out into a pickup at 3 AM to escape rent and my new next neighbor moved in...well, I'd rather have a drug dealer than a hard core user living next to me. That guy was in his early 20's, with a physique only a young 6'2" laborer could have, but was already showing signs of meth mouth. Kept an axe on the windowsill. Had anger management issues. Stayed up for days after taking meth. Some nights I slept (fitfully) with a loaded shotgun stashed under the bed.

      If you're doing meth (after at best the first time) you don't give a shit. You'll do it until it kills you, which isn't much past the second dose. Six months, tops. Along the way you'll have lost most of your teeth, sold your asshole for meth, and have a couple different forms of fatal VD. You aren't going to give two fucks (that's money for meth biatch) about the color of the crystal.

    11. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah maybe wozniak but not jobs.

    12. Re:It's totally true! by khallow · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that Steve Jobs didn't have knowledge and expertise? He founded multiple successful companies. That alone indicates a great deal of knowledge and experience. Plus, he apparently had a great deal of design and usability knowledge and experience that applied directly to the products of his businesses.

    13. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except samsung is always more potent (more cores, more power, more battery, more screen, more control) than apple.

    14. Re:It's totally true! by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      That makes jobs the "Gus" of breaking Bad, probably quite appropriate consider both were charismatic likable people on the surface and real evil sons of bitches in actuality. the walter white would be wozniak.

    15. Re:It's totally true! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      He was known to fight with his engineers against functionality. He would get mad because something didn't look nice, and insist on having his way, even if it broke the product. If Jobs were cooking meth, he'd be the kind to make a toxic product in order for the crystals to have a better appearance. Jobs was a man often ignorant and sometimes even antagonistic towards science, which is precisely why he is no longer with us.

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    16. Re:It's totally true! by khallow · · Score: 1
      So what? None of that is relevant to my observation.

      He was known to fight with his engineers against functionality. He would get mad because something didn't look nice, and insist on having his way, even if it broke the product.

      In what universe does that make Jobs somehow inexperienced and/or ignorant? His priorities were different than your priorities. That is all.

      Jobs was a man often ignorant and sometimes even antagonistic towards science, which is precisely why he is no longer with us.

      The last part of that statement is not based on actual evidence. He did delay treatment for his cancer for a significant amount of time and that may have resulted in his cancer becoming untreatable. Or it might have already been untreatable at the time of detection. That's as far as the actual evidence goes.

      Anything past that, such as your claims above is by its nature unscientific. I do find it interesting how often claims of others being unscientific are themselves unscientific.

      And once again, so what if he was antagonistic towards science? That also is not an indication of experience and knowledge, especially when dealing with the market approach which is a very efficient rival to the scientific method for finding knowledge in the areas where markets apply (if you can buy and sell it, then it is visible to some market and hence, subject to price discovery and the other knowledge revealing aspects of markets).

    17. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Walter brings to the table is knowledge and expertise, which isn't really an area where Steve Jobs fits the parallel.

      Perhaps not in a technical area, but in forming well-run companies (Apple, NeXT, Pixar, Apple again) there aren't very many that can compare.

    18. Re:It's totally true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Walter brings to the table is knowledge and expertise, which isn't really an area where Steve Jobs fits the parallel.

      Perhaps not in a technical area, but in forming well-run companies (Apple, NeXT, Pixar, Apple again) there aren't very many that can compare.

      He was kicked out of Apple to prevent him bankrupting them, NeXT was saved from bankruptcy by Apple and Pixar kept him away from operations so he could not bankrupt them.

    19. Re:It's totally true! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I don't know why your distain of meth would put you off what is IMHO one of the best series ever made. I mean few people are fans of murder, yet that's a central element of many of the best and most popular TV and movie creations.

      Breaking Bad isn't about meth. It's about a character's journey from protagonist to antagonist. And that novel idea is what makes it great.

    20. Re:It's totally true! by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      Actually, Walter DID invent something, it just hasn't been spelled out for anybody but the chemistry geeks.

      Walt's "secret recipe" is a way to create 99+% pure d-methamphetamine from starting materials that normally would create only a 50-50 mixture of the (active) d- and (inactive) l-isomers.

      Such a (fictional) process allows him to manufacture pharmaceutical grade d-methamphetamine in industrial quantities without having to start from pseudoephedrine.

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    21. Re:It's totally true! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      In what universe does that make Jobs somehow inexperienced and/or ignorant? His priorities were different than your priorities. That is all.

      It shows he doesn't have a fundamental understanding of his product. That is the very opposite of Walter White.

      And once again, so what if he was antagonistic towards science? That also is not an indication of experience and knowledge, especially when dealing with the market approach which is a very efficient rival to the scientific method for finding knowledge in the areas where markets apply

      Science is the root of understanding, and if you don't understand something, you don't have expertise at it. Jobs' approach would be more akin to Jesse's methods early on, which included putting chili powder in the mix as a signature. Jesse said it was an art, while Walt said it was a science. What Jobs understood was how to manipulate others around him. He wasn't an engineer or a scientist. He was more of a manager or salesman, hell, even a performer.

      The last part of that statement is not based on actual evidence. He did delay treatment for his cancer for a significant amount of time and that may have resulted in his cancer becoming untreatable. Or it might have already been untreatable at the time of detection. That's as far as the actual evidence goes.

      I'm fairly sure that the type and stage of cancer he had had a very low mortality rate. Basically, with the resources available to him, there was no way it would have killed him had he gone with modern medicine from the start.

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    22. Re:It's totally true! by khallow · · Score: 1

      It shows he doesn't have a fundamental understanding of his product. That is the very opposite of Walter White.

      I shouldn't have to tell you that you're wrong.It's not a cut and dry situation. And yes, it is worth noting that the style of Apple products is just as important as its functionality.

      Science is the root of understanding, and if you don't understand something, you don't have expertise at it

      Depends on what science is. If it is a methodical study of a subject, then a large number of rival competing approaches are all science. If it is implementation of the scientific method, then it is one method among many. Since one can gain a fairly deep understanding of a subject without implementing a methodical study of the subject, the claim that science is the root of understanding is cast even further in doubt.

      Since in addition to that, your premise, that Jobs didn't understand his product, is most likely wrong, there really isn't much point to the observation.

      I'm fairly sure that the type and stage of cancer he had had a very low mortality rate.

      That "very low" mortality rate is greater than zero? And how much does the mortality rate for that category change over nine months?

  7. Ohmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more Apple stories!

  8. True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Walter was a cunt as well.

    1. Re:True by srjh · · Score: 1

      Yo, Mr White!

  9. This is just ridiculous by MogNuts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really? This article is just dumb. And ridiculous. And link-bait.

    Stop with the BS "like Apple" stories and OMG Apple-is-amazing stories!

    1. Re:This is just ridiculous by issicus · · Score: 0

      flaming-link-bait

  10. Where's the car analogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is Slashdot. Car analogies only, please.

  11. KISS for real by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People always blah blah about KISS. But when it comes to most products it usually ends up being too many cooks. Years ago I built a website for a telco. They wanted two things. One was online bill viewing and the other was to promote this new thing called DSL. Website was supposed to cost around $50,000. So we cook along and they keep adding more and more to the website with nearly every department in the telco getting their little bit in; one part being a what's happening at the local universities. After the budget blew through $200,000 they started to suggest that we cut the online bill check part along with the rate card. One of our people stood up in the meeting and said, "Those are the only two things on the whole damn site that people will want. Cut those and you have $200,000 worth of dog shit."

    But it gets even worse. This new DSL was being introduced at a time before cable modems. The highest speed connection of any geek I knew was a 128k ISDN line and this new DSL was going to give you 1Mbs for $40. Then as I did up the specs for it for the site I realized that the whole business model was a stupid Novell system of renting applications such as Microsoft office. Internet was way down on the list of features. I called up the Product Manager and he said, "Well we might not even offer connectivity to the internet initially." I told him that if they were able to offer 1Mbs for $40 when all the competition was offering 56kbs for $20 they were going to clean up. He told me that there was pressure from their own dial up to not offer internet via the DSL. I think what may have saved it was that I told him he would be out of a job if he didn't offer internet and they would be out of a job while he would ride a wave to the future if he did.

    Now think about the above. This is the big telco in my area taking business advice from a tiny web shop. Good advice if I say so myself.

    So how many companies don't have a single man who can stand up and say "whoa there cowboy. That might look good on a spread sheet but our customers will want to ram it up your ass.... sideways....covered in the juice from a ghost pepper."

    From what I have read about Steve Jobs is that people brought shit to him with a great story and they left his office crying. Then they came back to him with something less shitty and left crying again. This would happen over and over until it just wasn't shitty anymore.

    It is hard to tell an employee that what they just spend a lot of time on was crap. It is unpleasant for most normal people. So I suspect that where Steve Jobs' genius lay is in somehow being an ass right up to but not beyond the point where everyone quit. Beyond that he was probably just pretty smart.

    1. Re:KISS for real by GPierce · · Score: 2

      Byt when Steve Jobs wanted the Next to appear as an exact cube, it wasn't shit because he was the boss. Similarly, his Mac developer rules were not shit because he was the boss. And it wasn't shit when many developers and some of his more brilliant employees quietly walked away without crying,

      When Apple wound up with a 10% market share and almost went out of business, it wasn't shit, it was just Jobs.

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    2. Re:KISS for real by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Byt when Steve Jobs wanted the Next to appear as an exact cube, it wasn't shit because he was the boss.

      What was wrong with the cube? I always thought that was kind of cool.

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    3. Re:KISS for real by gman003 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Little manufacturing secret: making a perfect cube (all angles 90 degrees) is nearly impossible to manufacture. It's easy to do near-cubes (91/89 degree trapezoids), but a perfect cube will not slide out of the mold, and requires extremely expensive technology to do. Every single other computer that looks like a cube will have a very shallow angle to it for those reasons. After all, why jack the price up a ludicrous amount for something you'll never really notice unless you regularly go around measuring angles on your things.

      Jobs insisted on a perfect cube, which (from what I've read) only a single foundry in the United States could manufacture at the time.

    4. Re:KISS for real by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No one said he was perfect. There's a big difference between cultivating great ideas and coming up with great ideas. He seems like the type that was good at seeing the greatness in someone else's rough idea and helping them to polish it until it truly was great, but wasn't always so good at coming up with it on his own, since there are plenty of stories about him making utterly ludicrous suggestions and thinking they were the best thing ever. Thankfully, most of his stupid ideas (though not all of them) were shot down by those around him, since he apparently tried to make a point of surrounding himself with people who weren't yes men.

      And your second paragraph is not factual. For one, Apple was down to around 3% when they nearly went out of business (they only got back up to 10% within the last year or two). For another, Jobs hadn't even been at the company for over a decade when all of that was happening, since he was booted out back in the mid-80s, as you'll recall. Blaming the near-collapse of Apple on Jobs is like blaming Julius Caesar for the fall of the Roman Empire. Of course, unlike Caesar, Jobs actually returned later on and saved the thing he had started.

      And what Mac developer rules are you talking about? Stuff that happened back in the '90s when he wasn't there? Stuff that happened recently? I can't think of anything causing issues recently, other than some minor growing pains with sandboxing and the Mac App Store.

    5. Re:KISS for real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you not heard of extrusion? An extruded square tube with lids and machined access ports would fit the bill nicely. Injection molds are cheap, but in many cases aren't the best tool for the job.

    6. Re:KISS for real by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

      The problem as I've seen it is that so many product managers tend to be promoted from sales because they were such great salespeople, and great sales people make their career being able to lie to themselves about how great that product is even if it stinks; if you want the customer to believe (and buy) then you have to believe. Great sales people also are very good as saying "yes" to anything.

      A really good product manager needs to be able to be honest with him or herself and be able to say "our product sucks", as well as to be able to tell a customer "no". Those are not traits that are beneficial in the sales world, unless you're the rare exception like Steve Jobs.

    7. Re:KISS for real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      KISS is the single most dumbest concept ever to exist in information technology.
      It is the idea to oversimplify and dumb down everything, no questions asked, even when it ends up costing the very efficiency it was originally intended to bring, because... and here’s the kicker: KISS itself got oversimplified and dumbed down from the original goal of optimizing for efficiency. ^^

      Not everyone is retarded. But if you design for retards, people will adapt; Lowering the Gaussian distribution curve, and so resulting in another bunch of people too dumb even for that, loudly bitching and complaining (as they always do, because of the Dunning-Kruger effect) that it is too hard not to drool on themselves or tie their shoes in the morning. And when you then continue to apply KISS, falling for the illusion you could ever make those folks happy, you end up in a vicious downwards spiral, until way beyond MS Clippy, the iPad, etc, where your products become unusable except for sea sponges and surprisingly smart rocks.

      This can't be won. Ever. There is a lower limit of simplicity, where efficiency worses. We have already waaayy surpassed it. It's time to stop, and boot up our fucking brains for once in our lifetimes, to get back to optimal efficiency.

    8. Re:KISS for real by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is retarded. But if you design for retards, people will adapt; Lowering the Gaussian distribution curve, and so resulting in another bunch of people too dumb even for that, loudly bitching and complaining (as they always do, because of the Dunning-Kruger effect) that it is too hard not to drool on themselves or tie their shoes in the morning.

      You're so full of yourself it isn't even funny. Bet you're a Mensa member, aren't you?

      I use Apple products as exclusively as I can, and I'm no retard. In fact, I'm out in the 2% fringe on the iQ distribution curve. I have also been an embedded developer and designer of industrial control products for over 30 years; so I know a bit about the design and manufacture of electronic products as well.

      I pay Apple to do the incredibly hard work of making really complicated stuff "Just Work". And I don't mean "Kinda Work after futzing around for a week."

      But most Linux fans will never get that; and instead, are proud of their status as part of the Computer Priesthood.

      I will tell you this: It doesn't take ANY "vision" or "creative genius" to do the typical Linux developer tactic and expose every single variable in an application as a Userland control, and then, when not just the "retards"; but nearly every single user, has trouble, they get dismissed with "N00b!" and "RTFM" (as if there was one...).

      No, the REAL genius (one of my favorite movies) comes in figuring out what controls REALLY need to be exposed to the user, and, even more importantly, HOW to present them to the user so that they can INTUITIVELY use them. That way, there isn't usually a NEED to "RTFM".

      That isn't "Designing For Dummies"(tm); it's "demystifying technology". BIG Difference, and one that, as Miguel de Icaza dared to say recently, sadly, most Linux devs. never seem to fathom.

    9. Re:KISS for real by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Byt when Steve Jobs wanted the Next to appear as an exact cube, it wasn't shit because he was the boss.

      The NeXT Cube didn't fail because it was a cube. It failed because it was too expensive. When you're creating the cutting edge, there are bound to be failures. Jobs had far more successes than failures though.

      When Apple wound up with a 10% market share and almost went out of business, it wasn't shit, it was just Jobs.

      You don't know your history. Apple was still expanding when Jobs was fired. The fall was under a series of other CEOs. Once Jobs was brought back, Apple reversed the slide and grew to what it is now.

    10. Re:KISS for real by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Little manufacturing secret: making a perfect cube (all angles 90 degrees) is nearly impossible to manufacture. It's easy to do near-cubes (91/89 degree trapezoids), but a perfect cube will not slide out of the mold, and requires extremely expensive technology to do.

      I remember similar arguments when Apple were first rumoured to be making their Alum monocoq "Unibody" laptop cases. Some said it was impossible. Some said it would be far too expensive. They went with the industry belief that laptops should been made from plastic, reinforced with bent steel. But Jobs was right. And now the rest of the industry is copying.

      He wasn't always right, but for someone innovating the cutting edge computers, it was amazing he got far more successes than failures.

    11. Re:KISS for real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the $6 500 cost of the NeXT cube was taken up in the manufacture of the cube itself and not in the innards.

    12. Re:KISS for real by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      Actually KISS can be seen in nearly all technology where the complicated guts of the technology are hidden from the user; and even better when the complicated is replaced with something better. Look at much of the old technology of say cars. A modern car does all kinds of crazy stuff but a car from 1915 is impossibly complicated to use. Not only were there levers and whatnot that have long been eliminated but even things like the gearbox could be destroyed by say selecting the wrong gear. I suspect that some asshats argued that the simpler cars were "distancing" them from the driving experience.

      Other KISS involve complicating one thing to make it easier for the user. The 6 shooter revolver technology was critical when manufacturing wasn't terribly precise and bullets could not be relied on to always go bang. So the 6 shooter allowed the user to just pull the trigger again for another try with another bullet. Also people weren't used to precise instruments so a 6 shooter would work when pretty poorly maintained. The clip driven weapon could only be deployed when bullets were reliable and the machining was precise enough. Any nitwit can swap clips out in a moment.

      The command line argument is a great example of KISS as a multi headed argument. One could argue that the command line is the ultimate in KISS but they are missing the point of is it KISS for the user or the developer. My mother the user is going to be pretty upset if I swap her over to a command line interface. But from a development point of view a command line is way easier than a nice GUI.

      Where things go wrong is when the two worlds start to blur. The developer starts to expect a higher level of expertise so as to simplify their own job. But that is the failing it is the expert developer's job to make it as easy as possible to use the product. It is not that your user is a moron(even though many are) but that it is rude to force your user to do or learn something when they don't have to.

      As for the complaint that some products are too dumb. It is that the KISS was misapplied and they did MISS or Make it Seem Simple. Clippy was annoying and didn't help. It actually increased work especially in the hunt to turn it off. KISS applied correctly would make it so that you can figure out what you need without trouble. A good example of KISS missing is cancelling printing. There should be a button that shows up in some corner while the printing is going that stops the print dead in its tracks. Many many people print something, sit back and see the mistake. Or they see the first page and realized they loaded the wrong paper, or one of a hundred reasons they want to stop NOW. But this fact seems to have escaped those who made the printer spooler, drivers, and hardware people.

      Another example of KISS is I am a pretty good driver but I would love if my car warned me I am making a mistake. That is not treating me like a bad driver but making my life better (and maybe longer). A feature like this would be fantastically complicated under the hood yet the interface would be a beep or a shake to the steering wheel.

    13. Re:KISS for real by Clsid · · Score: 1

      You do understand that because he always asked the impossible from his employees is that he ended up reaching that genius status right? Of course the cube was ridiculous but he wanted to have perfect things he pictured in his head, not unlike many great artists from previous times. People did leave the company but most of them also said they had the times of their lives while making history at Apple.

    14. Re:KISS for real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, the problem with dumb people is, that they *by definition* don't know how *dumb* they are. Hence they are projecting it to others. Also known as that Dunning-Kruger effect. Its extreme case is, when the intelligence is so far above that person's head, that it is indistinguishable from nonsense to them.

      You're is such a case.

      And immediately jumping to “you’re a Mensa member" and specifically highlighting "I'm no retard" only makes that all the more clearer.
      The problem is that you mistake being a memorizing drone for actual intelligence.

      If you had any intelligence, you would very simply *not* be able to work with an Apple environment. Because it makes the very things one then needs, impossible. Instead it *forces* one to dumb down and use that retard mindset, to even be able to use its interfaces. Make no mistake. I have extensively tested their products and services, before coming to this conclusion. They just don't support having a brain. No file manager, no scripting possibilities at all, no customizability. It's shiny, it thinks it's smarter than you (it isn't. not even remotely), and it only lets you use it, by *letting* it be the master and in control. Which is *exactly* matching Jobs' mindset.

      And your user name "macs4all" is the cherry on top of your FAIL cake.

      Keep on being a serf to the things around you while living in the delusion that you're "smart". At least you can be a useful idiot. And when the time comes, you can serve me too.

    15. Re:KISS for real by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Lol, the problem with dumb people is, that they *by definition* don't know how *dumb* they are. Hence they are projecting it to others. Also known as that Dunning-Kruger effect. Its extreme case is, when the intelligence is so far above that person's head, that it is indistinguishable from nonsense to them.

      You're is such a case.

      And immediately jumping to “you’re a Mensa member" and specifically highlighting "I'm no retard" only makes that all the more clearer.

      You do realize, of course, that having a serious grammatical error in your tirade utterly undermines your argument, right?

      It is supposed to be "YOURS is such a case." I don't even know where "You're is" falls in the "grammatical errors" category; but it's a pretty bad one. (My sincere apologies, however, if English is not your first language).

      The problem is that you mistake being a memorizing drone for actual intelligence.

      Where did you get that impression? As I said before, I am an embedded (hardware/software) designer with over 30 years of (paid) experience. I also do application (ERP) programming, and a bit of web development (although I don't think I do web dev. well enough to get paid for it). I'm pretty sure that most of that calls for much more than rote memorization.

      If you had any intelligence, you would very simply *not* be able to work with an Apple environment.

      That's your opinion, and a pretty indefensible one, at that. Not to mention nauseatingly self-aggrandizing and elitist. (And everybody thinks that Apple fans are the elitist ones! Sheesh!)

      Because it makes the very things one then needs, impossible. Instead it *forces* one to dumb down and use that retard mindset, to even be able to use its interfaces.

      What is it that the "Apple Environment" (whatever that is!) makes "impossible"? Or is it simply the fact that, in your (not-so-humble) opinion, one must demonstrate their superior intellect at all times, by using, what? A CLI exclusively? Guess what? You can do that all day long on OS X, if you really think that makes you "superior". I'm really confused about what you think you can't do on OS X that you can do on another platform, if you possess the necessary skillset.

      As they say: A poor craftsman blames his tools...

      Make no mistake. I have extensively tested their products and services, before coming to this conclusion. They just don't support having a brain.

      If all you want to do is launch Safari and cruise Facebook, sure. But what about those who spend their days in XCode? Are they "brainless" as well?

      No file manager,

      Funny. I seem to be able to manage terabytes worth of files with Finder. And if you must have a Windows Explorer-type multicolumn "source-target" view in a single window, there are third-party apps for that. Same with batch file-renaming. Other than that, Finder has some pretty sweet capabilities that no other "File Manager" has.

      And then there's Spotlight...

      no scripting possibilities at all

      Boy, did you ever just step in it...

      Nevermind the fact that, as a UNIX, it has the same "shell scripting" capabilities, like in this example, that come as part of the Bourne-Again SHell it runs as a CLI. In addition to that, there is also "Automator" and its bigger (and older) brother, AppleScript, which are quite unique, and (especially in the case of AppleScript) very powerful. And even cooler,

  12. Re:This is a new low. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Agreed. The meth dealer's probably got morals.

  13. Breaking Pad! by notb666 · · Score: 1

    Yeah right.

  14. Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The protagonist in breaking bad was a normal upright person who turned "bad" after he was diagnosed with cancer and tried to use his knowledge to support his family in the event he would die. Apple was an arrogant bully from the get go, they just hadn't had the chance to show it when they were smaller.

    1. Re:Not really by macs4all · · Score: 1

      The protagonist in breaking bad was a normal upright person who turned "bad" after he was diagnosed with cancer and tried to use his knowledge to support his family in the event he would die. Apple was an arrogant bully from the get go, they just hadn't had the chance to show it when they were smaller.

      Yeah, I guess that Wozniak and Jobs were planning their evil empire when they were GIVING AWAY Apple 1 schematics to the Hombrew Computer Club.

      Do these guys look like evil geniuses bent on world domination, or closer to Stallmanesque neckbeards playing with their new toy?

      Go hate somewhere else, you waste-of-skin-and-bandwidth.

  15. Authors clearly knows jack shit by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    There were times when Microsoft could have decimated Apple by pulling its Office software from the Mac platform or choosing not to invest $150 million in the company, as it did back in the '90s. Instead, Microsoft let Apple continue and, in refusing to see Apple as a serious threat, lost the mobile phone, portable music, online video and tablet markets to Apple. It's increasingly ceding ground in computer software as well.

    It wasn't about underestimating Apple, but rather, needing a visible competitor to not be broken up via an antitrust suit. Also, in what universe does apple have the 'online video' market?

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    1. Re:Authors clearly knows jack shit by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      apparently people watch movies on their phones now.

      i don't understand that one, either, considering the ludicrously big TVs everyone owns.

      that said, it's not wise to compete with youtube on the low-res front. iTunes needs to push HD and true SD (not this hobbled 640xwhatever shit that they insist on).

      also, DRM.

    2. Re:Authors clearly knows jack shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think more iTunes videos are watched on iPads & laptops (possibly connected to those ludicrously big TVs) than phones.

      But I have been known to watch TV shows with my N900 and video goggles on buses and airliners; goggles because I have a low tolerance for people in the next seat interrupting me to talk about what I'm watching, phone because there's no point to a second, larger device with the same goggles.

    3. Re:Authors clearly knows jack shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly enough, since I ditched cable TV the only way for me to legally watch new episodes of Breaking Bad is through iTunes - at a cost of $2.99 per episode. I don't mind waiting for most shows to come out on Netflix or disc, but BB is something I really look forward to watching and don't want to wait for.

      I wouldn't say Apple has a lock on online video, but Microsoft doesn't even seem to have it at all.

  16. Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The difference is that breaking bad is fiction- it doesn't actually demonstrate anything. The writers decide the outcome, and the results are imagined, not real.

    1. Re:Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that breaking bad is fiction- it doesn't actually demonstrate anything. The writers decide the outcome, and the results are imagined, not real.

      So, More or less like the verdict in the Apple v. Samsung case?

    2. Re:Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that breaking bad is fiction- it doesn't actually demonstrate anything. The writers decide the outcome, and the results are imagined, not real.

      And all of Shakespeare is fiction as well. So his stories don't demonstrate anything (per your reasoning), right?

    3. Re:Fiction by Tukz · · Score: 1

      Oh snapeth!

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  17. Re:This is a new low. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And is less harmful to our society's future.

  18. I must have missed the memo by rjames13 · · Score: 3, Funny

    For the "I hate Apple week", has it already started?

    1. Re:I must have missed the memo by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      how do you get that from TFA?

      oh, you didn't read it?

    2. Re:I must have missed the memo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      how do you get that from TFA?

      oh, you didn't read it?

      Haven't you noticed, Apple fans are now in automatic "everybody hates us" defense mode. It's quite funny how many comments of that type you see across the web right now. It must hurt to have some of the luster come off.

    3. Re:I must have missed the memo by macs4all · · Score: 1

      For the "I hate Apple week", has it already started?

      Does it ever end around here?

    4. Re:I must have missed the memo by macs4all · · Score: 1

      how do you get that from TFA?

      oh, you didn't read it?

      Haven't you noticed, Apple fans are now in automatic "everybody hates us" defense mode. It's quite funny how many comments of that type you see across the web right now. It must hurt to have some of the luster come off.

      And haven't you noticed that, almost without exception, nearly all the Apple Haters post as AC; because they're too afraid to be shown to be such uninformed dickheads. Or worse, outright liars. Besides, one person can post AC comments pretty much ad infinitum, and it looks like a whole group of people agreeing. In fact, I'll bet there are whole threads of Apple-Hate that are actually the same person, posting, and "agreeing", all as AC.

      In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that a significant amount of "Anonymous" Apple Hate postings actually come from a vanishingly small number of actual persons.

      For this reason, and many others, I really wish that Slashdot would either remove, or seriously restrict, the ability to post as AC.

    5. Re:I must have missed the memo by Clsid · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is not that they hate Apple but a lot people actually cheer for Google here. That I will never understand.

    6. Re:I must have missed the memo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how do you get that from TFA?

      oh, you didn't read it?

      Haven't you noticed, Apple fans are now in automatic "everybody hates us" defense mode. It's quite funny how many comments of that type you see across the web right now. It must hurt to have some of the luster come off.

      And haven't you noticed that, almost without exception, nearly all the Apple Haters post as AC; because they're too afraid to be shown to be such uninformed dickheads. Or worse, outright liars. Besides, one person can post AC comments pretty much ad infinitum, and it looks like a whole group of people agreeing. In fact, I'll bet there are whole threads of Apple-Hate that are actually the same person, posting, and "agreeing", all as AC. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that a significant amount of "Anonymous" Apple Hate postings actually come from a vanishingly small number of actual persons. For this reason, and many others, I really wish that Slashdot would either remove, or seriously restrict, the ability to post as AC.

      If you are really interested I can tell you why I (now) log out if I critize anything Apple. I just don't want to deal with the shit the fanbase heap on critics. I've had Apple fans not only downvoting the post in question, but going through recent posting history and downvoting (I could see it happening), bookmarking me and jumping on everything I post, related or not. Across multiple forums, not sure if they are the same, but I usually use the same name. It goes way beyond the reaction you get when criticizing any one else but Apple. At least it did, I might give it another try and see if it has calmed down a bit now.

      In practice, not allowing ACs would not mean anything, as people would just register throwaway accounts (see Reddit), but assuming it did -- that would be ok with me if it also made clearly visible the voting history of everyone, so you could expose the users who consistently do fanboy voting, regardless of quality of posts.

  19. Re:This is a new low. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No he really doesn't; at least not after the first season or two.

  20. Woz as Jesse ? by theodp · · Score: 2

    Steve Jobs (Wikipedia): According to Wozniak, Jobs told him that Atari gave them only $700 (instead of the offered $5,000), and that Wozniak's share was thus $350. Wozniak did not learn about the actual bonus until ten years later, but said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.

    Breaking Bad ("Say My Name" Recap): When Walter tries to browbeat Jesse into staying, the young man will have none of it. He even walks away when Walter tells him he won't get a nickel.

    1. Re:Woz as Jesse ? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      Except that Apple was built on Woz' designs and ideas, whereas Jesse has been pretty much a complete fuckup liability up until Season 5 (where he came up with the ideas of the magnet caper and the undetectable methylamine heist).

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  21. Worst. Simile. Ever. by Everything+Else+Was · · Score: 1

    OK, there may be worse, but admit it - this is pretty bad.

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  22. Walt's Not a Nice Guy by fm6 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Walter takes shocking, out-of-character risks

    Out of character? You haven't been paying attention, especially in the current season. They made it clear from the very first episode that Walt is not a nice guy. His anger issues cost him his share of the startup that would have made him rich, and sent him off to a teaching job he despises and that doesn't pay the bills. Later, he refuses to accept help with his medical expenses from his former partners, obviously still pissed at whatever issue forced him to break with them.

    He wears a mask of a mild-mannered suburban nebbish, but his sociopath side becomes evident early on and gradually becomes the only face he shows to his colleagues in the drug business. More and more, people suffer because of Walt's lack of moral center, sometimes just because he's mad at them. (So long Mike!)

    Mr. Wizard was always a front. Now he's Nero.

    Jeez, what a great show. I look forward to the final 9 eps with anticipation and dread.

    1. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by calmofthestorm · · Score: 2

      Dread is right. BB is one of the few shows I've watched where I'm actually afraid to find out what happens next. Not in the horror movie sense...in the trainwreck sense.

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    2. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Also trainwreck-like in that you can't look away.

    3. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by dthirteen · · Score: 1

      Re: the three partners...I think Walt was with the girl, and then the other guy and the girl hooked up and that's why Walt bailed.

    4. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      I think you are looking at it from the wrong Angle, The out of character risks Walter takes is putting his partners life ahead of his families and his own in many cases, basically it wasn't his nastiness that was out of character, it was the selfless acts. This is always the part that annoyed me and was really out of character with how he is portrayed.

    5. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Plausible, but still only a guess. I think maybe we'll find out about it in the very last episode.

    6. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of character?

      Yes. The out of character stuff starts to happen right away in the first season and got progressively worse, but his previous character was clearly shown as being a passive, push-over nice guy who truly only wanted what was best for his family.

      His anger issues cost him his share of the startup that would have made him rich

      Anger issues? We haven't learned yet (at least not before tonights episode, haven't watched it yet) what caused the falling out, but I don't see any reason to believe it has to do with his anger.

      He wears a mask

      Like we all do. He started out living the as the mild-mannered suburban nebbish, his ugly side didn't come out til we started following him.

      We all started out loving him and now experience cognitive dissonance as we try not to hate him.

    7. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by trptrp · · Score: 1

      great insight! I mean, not that it surprises me, but it's nice to once in a while read something about Breaking Bad that understands it how I see it - except that I couldn't have written it that clearly.

    8. Re:Walt's Not a Nice Guy by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Hey, glad you like my prose. Need any technical writing?

  23. Best products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you study the Betamax vs VHS, you will see many similarities between how IOS vs Android is playing out. Betamax was technically better in the beginning, it had an earlier start in a new market and it was controlled by basically one company but VHS came on strong with lower prices, more choices, flexibility and options. It eventually won over the consumers. Smartphones are not exactly like in a "format war" like home video was but based on the strong showing of Android devices in the last 2 years, the consumers are basically following the same pattern and eventually moving to the route with the most options. I know a lot of people like to claim Apple is doing so well because of the limited options but is that really why people choose Apple? They still had to make a choice. Limited options does not seem to be the reason people use to buy anything else they spend their money on. Car analogy here, what car company would make a killing only selling 2 different models per year? If they were good or had a good reputation they would do well but not simply because they only had 2 models to choose from.

    1. Re:Best products? by mug+funky · · Score: 3, Informative

      ummm... betamax was negligibly better initially, and inferior toward the end of the 80s.

      the battle was won ENTIRELY on record time. when beta came out with long-play modes, they were suddenly at less quality than VHS for the same record time.

      who would want a format with max length of 60 mins when the average movie is about 90 mins?

      now... 60 mins is an eternity for a camera operator, as the only portable format at the time was 16mm film which gave just a little over 10 mins record time. so guess what happened to beta?

      it's funny - lack of reading the market that led to the failure of both formats. beta missed the consumer market, and when DVDs came along, VHS missed the opportunity with the pro market (D-VHS launched too late and was only really competitive with HDV which was a much more convenient form-factor). beta is still alive because though it failed to disrupt the consumer market, it completely disrupted the news gathering and television markets and became a main-stay until just a couple of years ago (XDCAM is the news-gathering darling now, either on cards or caddied-blu-ray discs).

    2. Re:Best products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You basically agreed with the parent poster even if you intended not to.

    3. Re:Best products? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "the battle was won ENTIRELY on record time. when beta came out with long-play modes, they were suddenly at less quality than VHS for the same record time."

      Horsepuckey. The battle was won on perceived price / performance. Now, don't misunderstand: the Betamax DID outperform VHS in many ways, particularly in the beginning. But most users at the time did not see those "frills" (like a nice and static "freeze-frame", and smoother fast-forward and rewind preview) as being important enough to justify the additional price. What they wanted was to watch videotapes reasonably well, cheap.

      Yes, the Beta was better. But no, the PERCEIVED value to most consumers was not sufficient to justify the price.

      That may well have been due to nothing more than weak advertizing on the part of Sony.

  24. Jobs was pivotal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that Apple was failing before jobs came along. He made it profitable very quickly. And Pixar, again, also his, also success. And NeXT, created some amazing products, and before that Apple went from nowhere to success.

    At some point you have to accept he was pivotal in all of these. Even if it was simply to empower the right people, assign budgets in the right places and to fire a few slackers.

    If it's soooo easy, then why is Apple finding it so hard now? Look at them, Siri was the last of Job's influence, where iPhone 5? Where's the magical new feature? The suprise wow thing??? If Jobs was pivotal in the success of Apple, then why have they degenerated into a crappy patent troll living on past glory?

    1. Re:Jobs was pivotal by siddesu · · Score: 1

      If it's soooo easy, then why is Apple finding it so hard now?

      Because not one company can be a leader for many years, especially in a dynamic field with high margins. This is economics 101, people catch up in the long run. Would Apple's problems be any different today if Jobs were still alive?

    2. Re:Jobs was pivotal by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      that's been happening for quite some time. i think it's too soon to say they're in the doldrums just because we're between product launches.

    3. Re:Jobs was pivotal by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      If it's soooo easy, then why is Apple finding it so hard now?

      Because not one company can be a leader for many years, especially in a dynamic field with high margins. This is economics 101, people catch up in the long run. Would Apple's problems be any different today if Jobs were still alive?

      Apple is having trouble? Since when?

    4. Re:Jobs was pivotal by siddesu · · Score: 1

      Ask GP for the details, but last I heard they appear to be losing market share to various upstarts in various mobile markets, despite their enormous marketing advantage.

    5. Re:Jobs was pivotal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the moment they passed the no return point with growth estimates. Stumble on delivering magic (i.e. something to keep driving the growth) and they will hurt, contrary to what fans an investors believe having that kind of growth rate is iLamps and puck-mice, not PowerBooks and iPods.

    6. Re:Jobs was pivotal by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Ask GP for the details, but last I heard they appear to be losing market share to various upstarts in various mobile markets, despite their enormous marketing advantage.

      How is that trouble?

      Everyone knows for years the iPhone was not going to be the king of phones forever. And everyone knows for years that Apple will not be the biggest smartphone manufacturer ever.

      It's not their strategy and has never been. They are perfectly happy with 10% of the market and 70% of the margins. Why do you think they only release one phone per year?

      I mean, Samsung releases 25 new smartphones every year, of course they're going to eventually outrun Apple in sheer number (I believe they already did).

    7. Re:Jobs was pivotal by siddesu · · Score: 1

      How is that trouble?

      The same way it was trouble in the early 90s. One company can't outrun the whole market for long.

      Why do you think they only release one phone per year?

      Partly because of the strong brand value in the US, and partly because they can't do much more and keep the margins high. This isn't new thinking. Ford was thinking along the same lines long time ago-- any color as long as it is black. It also works well ... Until your competitors blow you out of the water. Wait until the margins slip because of something, and the short selling sets in ... It will be a fun ride.

    8. Re:Jobs was pivotal by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      How is that trouble?

      The same way it was trouble in the early 90s. One company can't outrun the whole market for long.

      They've been out of trouble since 2000 and they haven't outrun the market until 2007 on anything. Outrunning the market is not a necessity for Apple nor is it for any company.

      Why do you think they only release one phone per year?

      Partly because of the strong brand value in the US, and partly because they can't do much more and keep the margins high. This isn't new thinking. Ford was thinking along the same lines long time ago-- any color as long as it is black. It also works well ... Until your competitors blow you out of the water. Wait until the margins slip because of something, and the short selling sets in ... It will be a fun ride.

      One less competitor is not a fun ride. It's a sad one. Did you ever ask yourself what smartphones would look like if no iPhone had ever seen the light of day?

      We might disagree with Apple but we should be grateful. They made the sector make a leap jump into the future.

    9. Re:Jobs was pivotal by siddesu · · Score: 1

      Apple may not have faced bankruptsy in 2000, but it was certainly not the tech jewel it is perceived to be at the moment. Their stock performance was not very impressive until about 06, when they started selling the iTunes. But since the topic is their performance in the mobile phones/tablets market, what is interesting is the development since the release of the iPhone.

      In this particular market, Apple outran the competition in the US between 08 and 10, and this is why their stock went up. They are now fighting to stay level.

      As for what smartphones would be like - they would be more or less the same. The iPhone isn't all that much different from an Axim or HP PDA from 2004, except for the better hardware, which was not invented at apple.

    10. Re:Jobs was pivotal by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      The iPhone isn't all that much different from an Axim or HP PDA from 2004, except for the better hardware, which was not invented at apple.

      Let me guess, you've never ever used either an Axim or an iPhone. My guess is that you've never used either.

      If you can't tell the difference btw both, you're clearly completely out of touch. I don't even know what to tell you. Maybe you think the iPhone was all about hardware or something...

      The iPhone was all about stopping to compete on specs and get a shitty OS. It was the first "integrated" modern phone and the revolution we talked about was in the device (as in HW+SW) not in any of them.

      A few examples:
      - There was no touch screen as usable as the iPhone's
      - There was no smartphone with an OS that didn't require a reboot at least every week
      - There was no phone with a browser that made is acceptable to look at a website
      - There was no phone where SMS could be send by my grandma only after 10 minutes of explanation
      - There was no phone with a mapping experience as good as GMaps on the iPhone

      The list is long. Of course, you'll point me out that all the points I mentioned have exceptions, and it is true. But no phone had two of these features, let alone all of them.

      I've owned several Windows Mobile devices pre-iPhone and let me tell you, there is a reason why Microsoft took so long to design a REAL phone OS. The difference is abysmal.

    11. Re:Jobs was pivotal by siddesu · · Score: 1

      I've A3 and iPhone 4. This is why I can say with certain confidence that outside of the significant hardware upgrade, which made a better OS and apps possible, the devices are not that far apart. RSS, ebooks, excellent offline maps with reasonably good performance and navigation, email and even web browsing was doable on the A3. And sending SMS was comfortable for grandma long, long before the smartphones. Maybe you need to improve your explanation skills. But this is all irrelevant to the discussion above, so excuse me for stopping here.

    12. Re:Jobs was pivotal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just look at the Nokia N series(N700/710/N800/N900). It started before the iPhone and its better still. I have played with iPhones, Android phones etc. but none of them are any better then the N900.

      Stop screaming silly things and ignoring history before the iPhone.

    13. Re:Jobs was pivotal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few examples:
      - There was no touch screen as usable as the iPhone's
      - There was no smartphone with an OS that didn't require a reboot at least every week
      - There was no phone with a browser that made is acceptable to look at a website
      - There was no phone where SMS could be send by my grandma only after 10 minutes of explanation
      - There was no phone with a mapping experience as good as GMaps on the iPhone

      The list is long. Of course, you'll point me out that all the points I mentioned have exceptions, and it is true. But no phone had two of these features, let alone all of them.

      N800 had the three points I bolded. It only misses on the technicality of not being a phone, but since your argument regards the presumed state of modern phones without the iPhone, and Nokia had already planned to bring Maemo to phones before, I don't think that's significant.

  25. Keep moving... by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    is this the new ' car analogy' trope? The ' breaking bad' trope!

  26. Or how about this analogy? by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Apple's story is like 'Breaking Bad' in that I really don't care about either of them, and am tired of people always bringing them up and telling me I need to be watching it"

    1. Re:Or how about this analogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So tired about hearing about two things you don't care about, naturally means creating a post about it.

    2. Re:Or how about this analogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And an atheist posting in a believer forum means he secretly does believe.

    3. Re:Or how about this analogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should really watch Breaking Bad though.

    4. Re:Or how about this analogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you watch it? Up until season 4, it's pretty good.

    5. Re:Or how about this analogy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude you must really love Breaking Bad, me too! We should totally hang out.

      Do you know which way is the time masheen?

  27. Jesus fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can everyone just shut up now? This has gotten so out of hand. Two or three articles a day trying to draw parallels between Apple and Linux and any other bullshit anyone can add to the mix. It's gotten old and fucking stupid.

  28. advertisement by amoeba1911 · · Score: 2

    "If you want to know how Apple's epic run turns out or how its ongoing battle with longtime rival Microsoft is resolved, you can watch the series, which ends its current half-season of eight episodes with a finale Sunday night."

    It sure sounds like an advertisement to me... either that or CNN really has completely run out of news to create. My expectations from CNN are very low, so this doesn't surprise me much. What surprises me is that this is on Slashdot. Perhaps the story title should be "CNN ran out of news" instead.

    My favorite part on the CNN page, on top it reads: Filed under: Innovations ... How this is innovation?

  29. Raspberries All the Way Down by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

    Jobs' sense of his specialness and his rush to get things done before he died was there way before the cancer was found. I rely on the Isaacson book for this tid-bit.

    Meanwhile, Jobs is not Apple and Apple is not Jobs. Addictive, as in products, is a clumsy metaphor. Addictive as in meth is a physical and psychological state which reveals itself in isolation, anti-social behavior, and health decay.

    Facile, featuring convenient memory holes, and poorly thought through. Yep, CNN all the way.

    1. Re:Raspberries All the Way Down by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      Jobs' sense of his specialness and his rush to get things done before he died was there way before the cancer was found.

      This.

      On his return to the company, he revamped apple -- very solidly and successfully -- before he was diagnosed with cancer. That he continued to do so ANYWAY is a tribute to his already held belief in himself and what he was doing... not a result of some kind of psychological compensation because he had a terminal disease. Sorry, but but in our macroscopic world -- at least at our current level of technology -- you cant take something that happened after time t and say it caused something before time t.

  30. WOW! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    So our iPads are made out of meth? Cool recycling plan there... No wonder they want us to send them back..

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  31. Crook? by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    So, in other words, Apple is like Breaking Bad that Apple loves to do illegal things, take out the competition any way possible, and overcharge for their product? Yep, sounds about right.

  32. Not a fan by kiriath · · Score: 1

    I don't really like Breaking Bad, yet so many people tell me I should love it. I generally like shows like that too, just can't seem to make myself like that show.

    I have seen enough to not really feel like this analogy holds any water. The show, like this analogy are weak and annoying. That's my two cents =\

  33. Obligatory Car Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope Faux News counters with a car version. I really don't understand anything tech unless it's explained in terms of cars.

  34. TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From TFA:

    'Like Walter White, it [Apple] has mixed the proper elements at just the right amounts to create highly pure, addictive products. The products have been made within secretive working conditions. The skill employed to design and manufacture them tends to make what competitors put out seem like cheaper, cloudier, less effective imitations.'

     
    I am no Apple fanbois, but I had spent past few decades in the tech field

    What TFA has forgotten to list are the following:

    I. Vision

    Almost everyone in the Silicon Valley, since the 1980's, have gone through similar experiences, and have used similar gadgets.

    What Steve Jobs got, which others unfortunately didn't have, is a vision.

    From hardware (Mac to NeXT to iBook to iPhone / iPad), to software (MacOS to OS X to iOS), Mr. Jobs opted for his own path

    That takes vision.

    II. Attention to detail

    We can't deny that the one thing that makes Apple different from the rest of the crowd is their attention to detail.

    From the way MacIntosh can create smooth curvy fonts to the "feel" of the original iPhone when it first came out (as versus the offering from the rest of the cellphone industry), Mr. Jobs had taken great pain in making sure that the products that have the "Bitten Apple" mark on it come with as few bugs as possible

    As I said, I am no Apple fanbois, and I do not own any Apple product
     

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    1. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 3, Insightful
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    2. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      'Like Walter White, it [Apple] has mixed the proper elements at just the right amounts to create highly pure, addictive products. The products have been made within secretive working conditions. The skill employed to design and manufacture them tends to make what competitors put out seem like cheaper, cloudier, less effective imitations.'

      I am no Apple fanbois, but I had spent past few decades in the tech field

      What TFA has forgotten to list are the following:

      I. Vision

      Almost everyone in the Silicon Valley, since the 1980's, have gone through similar experiences, and have used similar gadgets.

      What Steve Jobs got, which others unfortunately didn't have, is a vision.

      From hardware (Mac to NeXT to iBook to iPhone / iPad), to software (MacOS to OS X to iOS), Mr. Jobs opted for his own path

      That takes vision.

      II. Attention to detail

      We can't deny that the one thing that makes Apple different from the rest of the crowd is their attention to detail.

      From the way MacIntosh can create smooth curvy fonts to the "feel" of the original iPhone when it first came out (as versus the offering from the rest of the cellphone industry), Mr. Jobs had taken great pain in making sure that the products that have the "Bitten Apple" mark on it come with as few bugs as possible

      As I said, I am no Apple fanbois, and I do not own any Apple product

      Brother you are 31337. I do not own anything by Apple either especially after doing some dev work for them many moons ago, I swear they stole *nix and I threatened them with PC DOS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_DOS so therefore I had better shut up before Microsoft sue Google who are suing Samsung and the RIAA or MPAA are suing someone else!

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    3. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by jimmydevice · · Score: 2

      They didn't kill, or not kill the cat. Did they?

    4. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I seem to miss things like that. I never did figure out when Jesse killed that dog.

    5. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

      I'm feeling really stupid.
      Time to take a shower.

    6. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Vision? Apple just waits for technology to reach a point where they can stick a really good UI on it. I wouldn't deny that they are good at it, but Jobs didn't have some "vision" of creating a HDD based MP3 player or phone and then go out and invent all the necessary technology. He just waited for other companies to have the vision to develop the necessary hardware and open up new possibilities which he then exploited (very well).

      Even most of the stuff Apple claims to have "innovated" has been demonstrated to have prior art. Even though you can apparently get a patent on it just by doing it on a phone or a tablet does not make it highly innovative or the product of vision in my book, merely an obvious transference of technology.

      I'll give you attention to detail, just a shame much of it goes into locking the user in to Apple products. I'd say the font rendering on MacOS is actually one of the worst aspects of the design too, funnily enough.

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    7. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Informative

      II. Attention to detail

      We can't deny that the one thing that makes Apple different from the rest of the crowd is their attention to detail.

      From the way MacIntosh can create smooth curvy fonts to the "feel" of the original iPhone when it first came out (as versus the offering from the rest of the cellphone industry), Mr. Jobs had taken great pain in making sure that the products that have the "Bitten Apple" mark on it come with as few bugs as possible

      As I said, I am no Apple fanbois, and I do not own any Apple product

      Paid attention to every detail but how people want to hold a phone while making a call.

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    8. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy knew that 65536 was enough memory for a desktop computer and the machine with the bitten Apple shipped with a bug that the clipboard would shut down the computer if it tried to store the information in an area of memory beginning with 1 as distinct from zero.

    9. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by milkmage · · Score: 1

      it was Gale. Gale was the dog. His last episode was called "Problem Dog"
      http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Gale_Boetticher

      "Jesse, who is on the verge of tears walks towards Gale still pointing the gun at his head but doesn't reply to Gale's offers. Gale looks down and implores Jesse to not kill him, and tells him that he doesn't have to do it. He raises his eyes up to Jesse and appears to focus his vision on the barrel of the gun. A second later, he pulls the trigger and the gun goes off ("Full Measure")"

    10. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by kenorland · · Score: 1

      What Steve Jobs got, which others unfortunately didn't have, is a vision.

      Yes, even if that vision mostly consists of ripping off whatever other people have been working on and bringing a shiny but inferior version to market earlier.

      Mr. Jobs had taken great pain in making sure that the products that have the "Bitten Apple" mark on it come with as few bugs as possible. As I said, I am no Apple fanbois, and I do not own any Apple product

      If you did own Apple products, you'd perhaps not repeat the myth of the well-engineered Apple product. I've had Apple products completely self-destruct, burn up, and have long term intermittent problems, and Apple's software crashes, mangles data, and fails just like the rest.

      There are two things Apple does well: packaging and support. Not only do Apple products come in nice boxes, Apple software packages itself well too. When iPad apps crash, they just disappear instead of making a big deal out of it. When OS X apps leave crap behind, they just don't tell you about it. Etc. Not rubbing the user's face in all the software problems creates the impression of fewer bugs. And Apple's support is nice and friendly, even if the geniuses aren't and you are paying through the nose for their return policy.

    11. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, so you spent past few decades in the tech field' but obviously your powers of observation are selective and muted. Apple's impact not just on IT but on society is much more convoluted than what you simplistically listed -- there's a mix of pluses and minuses. You only stated a couple of the pluses.

    12. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Vision? Apple just waits for technology to reach a point where they can stick a really good UI on it.

      By this myopic definition of 'vision' no company in the technology industry has it.

      Every company out there is taking advantage of economies of scale for their components. Sure, they could invent their own processor from scratch and put it in their own laptop they designed from scratch and satisfy your definition of 'vision'. Production of the CPU will be on such a small scale for the device, that the per unit cost will be very high. Then the device based around it will be unattractively expensive. Few units would sell.

      Here comes Apple with more money than anybody else. They bring a feasible economy of scale to this problem. If they want a custom LCD display that is non-standard per the rest of the industry, they front the manufacturer the money to build the factory and staff it with enough resources to churn out millions of displays per year, thereby making the per-unit cost of the LCD's fit with the pricing model of the device designed around it.

      The only other company that can do this is Samsung, and that's why Apple is trying to curb-stomp them in the courtroom. Samsung makes displays, CPUs, memory, etc. and was drafting off the scale of Apple's orders from their factories to produce their own price-competitive devices. I suppose your definition of 'vision' would have Samsung as a visionary company.

      Seth

    13. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We can't deny that the one thing that makes Apple different from the rest of the crowd is their attention to detail.

      This is true. They would rather ship with fewer features, than ship with some that are lackluster. At least that used to be the case. What is almost comical is how they ridiculed the missing features present in most other phones as pointless distractions, and not something people want, yet lauded those exact same features when they arrived in the next software release.

      Also, because Apple is also a content provider, they make some very specific choices in what they don't implement, like playing content on SDRAM, using any old mp3 as a ringtone, etc. They make solid products, but the oppressiveness in the Apple environment leaves a nasty stink. The irony of the 1984 commercial is palpable.

    14. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure he had vision so much as he was in a position where other people couldn't override his decisions. Quite easy to be a visionary when you run the show.

    15. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Clsid · · Score: 1

      I'd say the font rendering on MacOS is actually one of the worst aspects of the design too, funnily enough.

      I disagree. Of all the platforms I have tried, Macs have outshined all others throughout history in font rendering. In a way they continue to excel, but this time with hardware with their retina equipped devices.

    16. Re:TFA missing some crucial ingredients by Meski · · Score: 1

      With luck, Samsung are doing some shit to Apple in the supply of parts to Apple. 7 day credit, maybe?

  35. Apple is the Little Red Hen by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A better analogy would be that Apple is like the Little Red Hen.

    "Who will dare to make a computer that gets rid clunky serial ports and is USB-only to drive development of USB as a platform?" asked Apple.

    "Not I" said Dell.
    "Not I" said Gateway
    "Not I" said Compaq.
    "Not I" said Acer.

    "Then I'll do it myself" said Apple. And she completely broke backwards compatibility to make the iMac.

    "Who will make a minimalist music player without a billion clunky extras that product managers want to add and that has a really neat jog-wheel that give people a great user experience?"

    "Not I" said Phillips.
    "Not I" said Diamond.
    "Not I" said Mitsubishi.
    "Not I" said Sony.

    "Then I will" said Apple. And they made the iPod.

    "Who will spend large sums of money to have design engineers experiment for months molding a block of clay into a non-clunky shape that works great for cell phones?" asked Apple.

    "Not I", said Samsung.
    "Not I", said Nokia.
    "Not I", said LG.
    "Not I", said HTC.

    "Then I will" said Apple. And she designed a phone with rounded corners.

    "Who will spend lots of money and take some risk designing cell phones with a revolutionary slide-to-unlock feature and the first really non-clunky mobile web browsing experience that includes pinching and swiping gestures?" asked Apple.

    "Not I", said Samsung.
    "Not I", said Nokia.
    "Not I", said LG.
    "Not I", said HTC.

    "Then I'll do it myself" said Apple. And she designed the iOS UI.

    And when the iPhone was released, the tired little company in Cupertino asked her competitors "who will help me use my designs to make billions in revenue I've earned by taking all sorts of marketing and design risks and putting in so much efforts to do what competitors didn't to move a stagnant and complacent industry forward like I've always have had to do?" asked Apple

    "I do" said Samsung.
    "I do" said Motorola.
    "I do", said LG.
    "I do" said HTC.

    "No, I'm going to keep all of those designs to myself" Apple said, and she happily sued them into oblivion. The end.

    1. Re:Apple is the Little Red Hen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was brilliant, just wanted you to know someone appreciated the work.

    2. Re:Apple is the Little Red Hen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      REALLY? Posts written in a condescending tone that mimicks a children's story is now getting modded insightful on slashdot????

    3. Re:Apple is the Little Red Hen by Rakshasa-sensei · · Score: 1

      What are children's stories?

    4. Re:Apple is the Little Red Hen by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "What are children's stories?"

      THESE are children's stories. Which is why each and every one of those other adult companies should be ashamed at having been featured in them.

    5. Re:Apple is the Little Red Hen by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

      What is condescending?

    6. Re:Apple is the Little Red Hen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a revolutionary slide-to-unlock feature

      As featured on toilet doors everywhere.

  36. Slow news weekend by Animats · · Score: 1

    CNN really has completely run out of news

    News is very slow right now. Huge news teams were tied up reporting the GOP convention, which is over, and Hurricane Isaac, which is over. So there wasn't much in the TV pipeline. Neither CNN nor Fox has anything substantive today.

  37. Litigate! by rips123 · · Score: 1

    Clearly Apple should sue the producers for intellectual property infringement.

  38. Dear CNN... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut. The. F. Up.

  39. Hmmm... by neuroscroll · · Score: 1

    I thought "cloudier" products are on the contrary, being promoted, these days.

  40. Yep by goldcd · · Score: 1

    and they didn't shift nearly as many as they expected, once most people had worked out that they could buy the same actual Apple functionality in a more 'normal' box for a fraction of the amount.
    Oh, and then the cubes all started cracking as form had over-ridden function and every engineer who said it was a stupid idea was proven right.
    Conversely though (and I'm not an Apple customer a few ipods aside), it did looked awesome, got placed in art/design museums AND as I look back over the thousands of computer designs that have come and gone, I remember this one and still think it looks stunning and am glad it existed.
    I've no idea what the lesson to be learnt here is, see also Delorean.

    1. Re:Yep by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      and they didn't shift nearly as many as they expected, once most people had worked out that they could buy the same actual Apple functionality in a more 'normal' box for a fraction of the amount.

      The Cube was released just when the stock market collapsed around 2001 or so. A year earlier, plenty of people would have bought it. It looked very, very nice, and it wasn't much more expensive. When you have plenty of spare cash and no worries about getting more, buying something that looks very, very nice for not much more is a good idea. When have no spare cash and you worry about money, you do without it.

  41. I have a list of popular keywords... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple
    Breaking Bad
    Cancer
    iPad
    iPhone
    Meth
    Microsoft
    Steve Jobs
    Walter White

    Now how can I put these all in one article?

  42. You are confusing the Next Cube with the G4 Cube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You are confusing the Next Cube with the G4 Cube.
    The Next cube was a cube made of magnesium alloy. The PowerMac G4 Cube many years later wad not really a perfect cube, an was made of sheet metal and moulded clear plastic that was not a perfect cube.

  43. Associations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say Steve Jobs comparison to the Breaking Bad story is somewhat of a lame attempt at giving the man some "street cred". You know, building his "Legend" and stuff. But hey... I could never understand this whole PC/MAC debacle. Superfluous argument when both platforms (hardware/software) are used where they function best. Using all kinds of analogies to create spin and brand your product (post-posthumously) and to tell us everything but what your product can do for us, I find in advertising terms, quite "missing the brief".

    So associating with a drug manufacturer/pusher is a good thing?
    Houston, we have a problem.

  44. My iPhone is like Breaking Bad by outsider007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because the signal is always breaking and the voice quality is bad :(

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    1. Re:My iPhone is like Breaking Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have figured out what the "i" in iPhone is for. It signifies the square root of -1, or it is used in complex math to indicate values in the complex plane- i.e., "imaginary" numbers.

      It is called an "iPhone" because it works as a phone only in the complex (imaginary) plane. I believe that most of the crappy accessory gadgets with "i" tacked on to the front of them also work about as well as the iPhone itself.

      My wife has one of the dumb things (3G or 3gs) and it drops calls, sends incoming calls directly to VM without ever indicating an incoming call, etc. Every time she calls me or I call her when the connection is made I say hello about 4 times before she ever responds. Likewise when she calls me I answer and it takes a couple seconds before she is able to hear me saying hello (usually for the 4th time). It is nearly useless as a phone.

  45. Omar L. Gallaga seems to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    suffering from some form of addiction.. perhaps Apple addiction.

    Should i/we give him some consideration/credibility? Hell no.

  46. Huh by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    Well I've always thought Apple Fanboys must be smoking something.

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  47. I fail to see any similarity. by mark_reh · · Score: 2

    Maybe it's just because I've seen every episode of BB.

    Who is so desperate to keep Jobs' name in the press that they'd stretch things this far?

    1. Re:I fail to see any similarity. by Clsid · · Score: 1

      A journalist trying to earn a living writing about a current trendy person?

  48. Betacam != Betamax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bear in mind that the format that proved a hit with the professional market was "Betacam", not the domestic Betamax. Although the early versions of Betacam used the same shell as Betamax- and could in theory use the same cassettes, though apparently Sony discouraged this- the recording format was entirely different and incompatible. Betamax recorded composite video, Betacam was a form of component video with higher quality (but faster tape speed and hence shorter running time for a given length). Later versions of Betacam used different cassette shells.

    1. Re:Betacam != Betamax by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      i'm well aware of the differences. pro video would give a max of 40 mins NTSC, 48 mins PAL, in the "S" case (the betamax-ish shell).

      the physical difference between the shells was similar to the distinction between HD and DD floppy disks, or the difference between S-VHS and VHS - just a tab punched out of a bit of the shell to allow a simple mechanical way to distinguish.

      of course, the tape itself was higher grade (metal particle v whatever).

      later versions didn't use a different case - just different colours and various bits punched out or filled in. they did come out with a large size though - a huge tape that could hold 120 mins (or 144 in PAL).

      beta SP tapes are incredibly still used in broadcast today, though not too often. Digibeta never completely displaced it, because the decks were so expensive and the perception was of little improvement (though it was a VAST improvement, the perception came from the fact that the rest of the production chain needed to catch up when digibeta came out. there's no point resolving 702 lines when your film chain barely gives you 400 and your patchbay and router is still analog).

  49. could be so by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    I've never seen "Breaking Bad", but if it is about a genius nerd (Woz) being exploited by an arrogant businessman, then I think the comparison is spot on.

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  50. SPOILER ALERT by milkmage · · Score: 2

    ...so Tim Cook (get it.. cook?) is going to arrange to whack google, htc, motorola, samsung and LG in the same 2 minutes. /I really liked Mike.

    1. Re:SPOILER ALERT by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      Maybe the inspiration for the iPhone 6 design will come to him while taking a dump and reading a poetry book?

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  51. SLow day by Dunge · · Score: 0

    When news come with something like that, nothing happened.

  52. Patent troll = drug dealer? by ukemike · · Score: 1

    When I saw the headline I expected that the story would be about how once apple went down the path of suing their competitors they got sucked in and the whole thing began to snowball as it become a bigger and bigger part of what defines them.

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  53. My $ is on Walter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL Walter doesn't wear Mom jeans.

  54. Bullshit, its like SouthPark! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs is Cartman and Microsoft is City Wok. (RIM is mr.Hanky)

  55. More of those billions of Apple marketing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is Bullshit.

    That this made CNN is nothing more than Apple buying headlines. Bullshit product placement in the News.

    I mean, they've been at it for a while now; trying to associate Apple with Cool Stuff. Anybody who can't see through this is just being made a victim of the Public Relations Mafia.

    Check this one out:

    http://i.imgur.com/u7a9u.jpg

    It's a bloody embarrassment. I wish Apple would just go away and die already. This mind-control crap makes me sick.

  56. And like Walter White by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't invent meth er technology, but they are good at making it.

    Now they are just in the business of trying to kill off the competition by any means necessary.

    So to perfect the analogy, the courts are their intended gun to keep the competition at bay.

  57. debunk the poll by itchybrain · · Score: 1

    Aha.

    I couple more of these "Apple's Story is Like [TV Series]" and we can finally debunk this Slashdot poll "How much TV do you watch in a week"

  58. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are there so many articles with people making up some BS and calling it news? Why is it always listed on Slashdot? "Well I think Apple is like Game of Thrones cuz Ned Stark dies but his legacy lives on. Come click on my article and learn all about the BS I just made up." Whatever. This is not news for nerds, nor stuff that matters.

    And to the wankers who write these articles: Shut up and go build something useful.

  59. I am offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a fan of this brilliant show, I am offended by this. Apple love is a religious experience for the fans of them, whereas good TV is just that, good TV.

    Nobody that owns an apple product thinks it is "just okay". They either love that they own one, or loathe that they must use one at work.

    TV can have fans all across the spectrum.

  60. Not Addiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Walter White set out to make money, not addiction. Jobs had money. Jobs wanted useability and ease, and maybe addiction. Maybe he wanted the legacy too.

    disclaimer: I hate Apple's limitations, limited useability, and policies on intellectual property.

  61. No it isnt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author is a moron looking to grab attention by making the idiotic comparison. The author is a cheap whore.

  62. Simile pushed too far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The simile breaks down when one considers that Apple makes products that increase productivity, while meth cookers do the opposite.

  63. Riiiight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, because Apple is now in the business of murdering people, including children to get their products out. *rolleyes*