ok...while I don't have links to back up every paper I have read over the last 20 years...I did find a site that has a nice summary of the U.S. Iraq relations.
ha...that was actually america whistling dixie for many years while it funded Iraq (yes, your country has a long _documented_ history of dealings with Sadaam Hussien) to fight Iran. Or when it, after refusing to pay 3 billion dollars in promised aid, allowed Iraq to take back a part of the oil wells of Kuwait. Or when they pushed him back from Kuwait to stop the embarrasement of a monumental political fuck up and stopped at the border after promising that it would be there when the Iraqi people rose up against their oppressive master.
So...a break down. You fund a dictatorship and look the other way while it oppresses it's people. You give the ok for this dictator to invade another country. When he takes too much of that country, you retaliate...and call on the iraqi people to rise up...and when they do rise up...you fuck off home and leave them to be slaughtered. Only to return 10 years later and expect to be treated like heros. And as for those european countries...maybe they're the smart ones...they've learnt that more times than not, taking a sledge hammer to the problem is not the best solution.
by the way...the funding, permission to invade, call to the iraqis to rise up and the fucking off at the border after tellilng them to rise up is all a matter of public record and not disputed by any U.S. administration. Not crack pot shit, just fact.
nah...it just makes a lot of people really really angry that a country that champions themselves as the voice of freedom can be so cruel and evil. I'm sorry, but freedom at the price of your soul is too much to pay.
U.S.A. -- Bringing the world freedom....that is, freedom our way......or else!
There are others _still_ being held that way...if you're an american, do something about it...your government is holding people against the rules of your own constitution...not even granting them basic rights of the geneva convention (enemy combatants? what the hell is that?)...almost 2 years they've been locked up without even access to a lawyer and they're still haven't been charged with anything...if this is 'by the people, for the people'...then you have a lot of really cruel and hypocritical people in your country...for god sake...make some noise about this!
Al Queda yes...taliban no...they just go in the way (as anyone would when you invade their country)...but guess what, after 2 years of spin doctoring...now everyone is in the habit of tagging those two words together...and hence, they both get held in the same light...I wonder, if the Mormans did something bad to the UK, and we started tagging 'Mormans and America'...you would think the same way.
Isn't it amazing how if you tell the media something for long enough, an entire country can start to believe it.
I think that points been pretty much proven with your comment about going there expressly to remove the taliban...cast your mind back buddy...remember bin laden...wasn't that kind of why you went there...hey, by the way, where is _he_ now....did pretty well on that one didn't you
Once he is in custody one look at his passport will tell that he traveled to a proscibed country at a suspicious time, then further investigation shows that not he was not just an advocate and a witness but a participant, so OFF TO PRISON.
Sounds like a fair reason to lock someone up in a prison camp for two years without access to due process or a laywer to me...hang on, let me just go tell all those american soldiers that had the _exact_ same thing happen to them in vietnam that they are all a bunch of girls and what happened to them was fair and expected.
That America didn't even go to war against the Taliban!!!!!! Isn't it amazing how if you tell the media something for long enough, an entire country can start to believe it. Anyone over there heard of david hicks...he was with the taliban....how long has he been held illegally now? Two years? The american government is f%#$ing evil...and there's no other word for it...two faced, hypocritical and evil.
I remember reading once that responsibility is the flip side of freedom...when you ask someone to take care of something (e.g. regulation), you give up the responsibility, and therefor have no right to complain about the loss of freedom. Because we are only free to the level that we are willing to take personal repsonsibility for our lives and the society we live in.
the statements made about microsofts marketing advantages were more realistic in this article (as opposed to the majority of press releases m$ has made)...where they said microsofts advantage is end to end integration. True, very true...that's exactly where you're market is, so glad you're competing on actual unique selling points rather than FUD...maybe m$ corporate culture is changing?
Actually, I read an article on the backyard/renovations show boom...once a year, the major networks head over to the U.S. to see all the upcoming shows etc, and make bids on them. A few years back (when all the backyard stuff began), they went over there and there was nothing but crap for sale. There was just nothing worth buying...so the execs came back and had nothing for the year and had to think quickly...they needed something that cost bugger all to make, but filled the slots...so they started experimenting...and, to their great surprise, found there was a market for this junk (people will watch anything)...they also found also that these cheap backyard type programs were costing _way_ less to produce than liscencing content from the states. Hence, there is now a plethora of that style.
...and jump straight into it when people walk in the door, straight into predicates, lookahead etc...video tape the entire course...and post it to slashdot...mod +5 funny immediately
intelligent sledge...the dude thing...must have taken all night to muster such cunning witt eh? Did you have a point there? It was kind of lost in your ranting
This may work for the uninformed or the unprepared, but it doesn't work on me.
lmao...dude, it works on _everyone_...it just depends on how good the salesperson is. In fact, you're the kind of guy reps love...a lot of ego invested in the fact that you can't be swayed...unwilling to back down...you're an easy sell, only have to turn that ego around so it's invested in the product and bang, you're buying
I'm not afraid to walk away from a salesman either
I didn't realize that it took courage to walk away from a salesperson? It's not your obligation to listen blah blah blah Dude, you're so missing the point...a good salesperson(and I'm not talking about your crappy run of the mill "good morning mr x, do you know you may have won already" reps)...I'm talking about a good sales person, skilled in the art of psychological manipulation and selling, will make you _want_ to listen, and do so without you realising it. So many times I've sat talking to sales guys, I mean really really good ones, that earn most of there cash travelling around training teams etc...they love this stuff, they sit down at the end of the day and laugh about how someone said blatently to their face something like you're comment above (it doesn't work on me)...to which they've countered with understanding and re-assurance...thrown in a 'feel-felt-found'...built a sense of ownership and invested your ego in their product...casually 7 point closed you...then bamn...you're buying...and you think you've got one over on them while you're doing it...dude, they sit round and kill themselves laughing over people like you..."You should have seen him, he thought he tore strips off me, thought he put me in my place...*laugh*, he was really just setting himself up for and ego based close"....everyone will be talked into buying something they don't want by someone who is just better than them at pop-psych...if you haven't yet, lucky you...that just means that you haven't met a good sales person yet...but don't worry, they're out there...you will. Lmao...maybe you have been already...as I said above, the _really_ good sales people make you think it was your idea all along.
hmmm, why should they want to call someone who has no interest in their product. Because, if you've ever been in a meeting or had training from a talented sales person or telemarketter, you will know that there are a plethora of techniques to make you buy. These are seriously researched, psychological methods to move you towards a sale, and even the most skilled and smartest of consumers can be manouvered into a position where they will buy. Everyone thinks they are too smart to be swayed...and guess what, after you've purchased from a good sales person, you'll still believe you're too smart to be swayed, and you'll probably even believe that you've pulled one over on him. How many times have you gone into a store with no intentioned of buying something, but walked out with a product you didn't want, didn't need, but still feel great about purchasing it, and that you got a great deal. That's salesmanship for you
Yeah, I've just started reading Michael Moores "Stupid White Men"...very scary stuff...I hope and pray Australia doesn't go down the same road, which has a high probability given our politicians predisposition to follow American models on so many things. It's a little sad actually, because when I was working in the U.S. a few years back, the oppinion I heard most from people is that they're immensly proud of where their country came from, but they hate it currently. Australia is the reverse, most people feel no real patriotism towards our history, but really like Australia currently. I hope everything in the U.S. sorts itself out, because you do have a history built on some fantastic and honourable ideals
I remember reading a story in one of Stephen Coveys books that helped me immensly. Take a glass jar, fill it with big rocks...is it full? Probably think yes, but take pebbles and add them, shake it around so the pebbles fall in between the big rocks...is it full? Take sand, pour it and shake up so it falls into the cracks left...is it full? Take water, pour water in until it fills the jar.
What's the moral? You can always fit more in? No...the moral is that if you don't put the big rocks in first (the important stuff in your life), you won't have room for them at all. Figure out what's most important in your life, and make a commitment to tackle them before everything else.
I highly recommend the book "First things first" by Dr Stephen Covey. It's an amazing book about time managment that focuses not on getting more out of your time, but on how to structure your day to accomplish the stuff that really matters. I believe, out of my entire (read: $%#ing huge) library, First things first is the book that has contributed most to my life.
I would love to write my congress critter...but I don't have one...live in Australia...that's why I was asking about the subpoena thing...but good luck from this Aussie to all of you that are fighting it:)
because we deloped global capitalism.
Because we set the standar for other to achieve.
Yeah...well done with that model you guys came up with...very good...where are those jobs going again? First up against the wall when the revolution comes:)
Slashdot Mirror
The Automatic Teller Machine (ATM) - 1939
The Credit Card - 1950
11 years of "so...what the hell we going to put in it?"
and another (actually a little less opinionated and more just fact with bibliography...so probably a little better than the previous one)
Iraq-U.S. Commerce History
ok...while I don't have links to back up every paper I have read over the last 20 years...I did find a site that has a nice summary of the U.S. Iraq relations.
US-iraq relations
Hope that is what you were looking at, he has a bibliography if you want to learn more etc.
ha...that was actually america whistling dixie for many years while it funded Iraq (yes, your country has a long _documented_ history of dealings with Sadaam Hussien) to fight Iran. Or when it, after refusing to pay 3 billion dollars in promised aid, allowed Iraq to take back a part of the oil wells of Kuwait. Or when they pushed him back from Kuwait to stop the embarrasement of a monumental political fuck up and stopped at the border after promising that it would be there when the Iraqi people rose up against their oppressive master.
So...a break down. You fund a dictatorship and look the other way while it oppresses it's people. You give the ok for this dictator to invade another country. When he takes too much of that country, you retaliate...and call on the iraqi people to rise up...and when they do rise up...you fuck off home and leave them to be slaughtered. Only to return 10 years later and expect to be treated like heros. And as for those european countries...maybe they're the smart ones...they've learnt that more times than not, taking a sledge hammer to the problem is not the best solution.
by the way...the funding, permission to invade, call to the iraqis to rise up and the fucking off at the border after tellilng them to rise up is all a matter of public record and not disputed by any U.S. administration. Not crack pot shit, just fact.
nah...it just makes a lot of people really really angry that a country that champions themselves as the voice of freedom can be so cruel and evil. I'm sorry, but freedom at the price of your soul is too much to pay.
U.S.A. -- Bringing the world freedom....that is, freedom our way......or else!
There are others _still_ being held that way...if you're an american, do something about it...your government is holding people against the rules of your own constitution...not even granting them basic rights of the geneva convention (enemy combatants? what the hell is that?)...almost 2 years they've been locked up without even access to a lawyer and they're still haven't been charged with anything...if this is 'by the people, for the people'...then you have a lot of really cruel and hypocritical people in your country...for god sake...make some noise about this!
Al Queda and the Taliban
Al Queda yes...taliban no...they just go in the way (as anyone would when you invade their country)...but guess what, after 2 years of spin doctoring...now everyone is in the habit of tagging those two words together...and hence, they both get held in the same light...I wonder, if the Mormans did something bad to the UK, and we started tagging 'Mormans and America'...you would think the same way.
Isn't it amazing how if you tell the media something for long enough, an entire country can start to believe it.
I think that points been pretty much proven with your comment about going there expressly to remove the taliban...cast your mind back buddy...remember bin laden...wasn't that kind of why you went there...hey, by the way, where is _he_ now....did pretty well on that one didn't you
Once he is in custody one look at his passport will tell that he traveled to a proscibed country at a suspicious time, then further investigation shows that not he was not just an advocate and a witness but a participant, so OFF TO PRISON.
Sounds like a fair reason to lock someone up in a prison camp for two years without access to due process or a laywer to me...hang on, let me just go tell all those american soldiers that had the _exact_ same thing happen to them in vietnam that they are all a bunch of girls and what happened to them was fair and expected.
yeah, some truth there...but you're not regulating spam, you're regulating a communication medium to restrict spam.
That America didn't even go to war against the Taliban!!!!!! Isn't it amazing how if you tell the media something for long enough, an entire country can start to believe it. Anyone over there heard of david hicks...he was with the taliban....how long has he been held illegally now? Two years? The american government is f%#$ing evil...and there's no other word for it...two faced, hypocritical and evil.
Government coders all over the country marvelled at the cutting edge technology used
select user_name from everyone where last_purchase = 'box cutter';
lmao...mod 4...fantastic
SENSIBLE REGULATION OF THE NET TODAY, PLEASE.
I remember reading once that responsibility is the flip side of freedom...when you ask someone to take care of something (e.g. regulation), you give up the responsibility, and therefor have no right to complain about the loss of freedom. Because we are only free to the level that we are willing to take personal repsonsibility for our lives and the society we live in.
the statements made about microsofts marketing advantages were more realistic in this article (as opposed to the majority of press releases m$ has made)...where they said microsofts advantage is end to end integration. True, very true...that's exactly where you're market is, so glad you're competing on actual unique selling points rather than FUD...maybe m$ corporate culture is changing?
I can't wait till the day someone uses one of these to break up with their gf
Actually, I read an article on the backyard/renovations show boom...once a year, the major networks head over to the U.S. to see all the upcoming shows etc, and make bids on them. A few years back (when all the backyard stuff began), they went over there and there was nothing but crap for sale. There was just nothing worth buying...so the execs came back and had nothing for the year and had to think quickly...they needed something that cost bugger all to make, but filled the slots...so they started experimenting...and, to their great surprise, found there was a market for this junk (people will watch anything)...they also found also that these cheap backyard type programs were costing _way_ less to produce than liscencing content from the states. Hence, there is now a plethora of that style.
...and jump straight into it when people walk in the door, straight into predicates, lookahead etc...video tape the entire course...and post it to slashdot...mod +5 funny immediately
intelligent sledge...the dude thing...must have taken all night to muster such cunning witt eh? Did you have a point there? It was kind of lost in your ranting
None
:)
You suuuuuuure?
This may work for the uninformed or the unprepared, but it doesn't work on me.
lmao...dude, it works on _everyone_...it just depends on how good the salesperson is. In fact, you're the kind of guy reps love...a lot of ego invested in the fact that you can't be swayed...unwilling to back down...you're an easy sell, only have to turn that ego around so it's invested in the product and bang, you're buying
I'm not afraid to walk away from a salesman either
I didn't realize that it took courage to walk away from a salesperson? It's not your obligation to listen blah blah blah Dude, you're so missing the point...a good salesperson(and I'm not talking about your crappy run of the mill "good morning mr x, do you know you may have won already" reps)...I'm talking about a good sales person, skilled in the art of psychological manipulation and selling, will make you _want_ to listen, and do so without you realising it. So many times I've sat talking to sales guys, I mean really really good ones, that earn most of there cash travelling around training teams etc...they love this stuff, they sit down at the end of the day and laugh about how someone said blatently to their face something like you're comment above (it doesn't work on me)...to which they've countered with understanding and re-assurance...thrown in a 'feel-felt-found'...built a sense of ownership and invested your ego in their product...casually 7 point closed you...then bamn...you're buying...and you think you've got one over on them while you're doing it...dude, they sit round and kill themselves laughing over people like you..."You should have seen him, he thought he tore strips off me, thought he put me in my place...*laugh*, he was really just setting himself up for and ego based close"....everyone will be talked into buying something they don't want by someone who is just better than them at pop-psych...if you haven't yet, lucky you...that just means that you haven't met a good sales person yet...but don't worry, they're out there...you will. Lmao...maybe you have been already...as I said above, the _really_ good sales people make you think it was your idea all along.
hmmm, why should they want to call someone who has no interest in their product. Because, if you've ever been in a meeting or had training from a talented sales person or telemarketter, you will know that there are a plethora of techniques to make you buy. These are seriously researched, psychological methods to move you towards a sale, and even the most skilled and smartest of consumers can be manouvered into a position where they will buy. Everyone thinks they are too smart to be swayed...and guess what, after you've purchased from a good sales person, you'll still believe you're too smart to be swayed, and you'll probably even believe that you've pulled one over on him. How many times have you gone into a store with no intentioned of buying something, but walked out with a product you didn't want, didn't need, but still feel great about purchasing it, and that you got a great deal. That's salesmanship for you
Yeah, I've just started reading Michael Moores "Stupid White Men"...very scary stuff...I hope and pray Australia doesn't go down the same road, which has a high probability given our politicians predisposition to follow American models on so many things. It's a little sad actually, because when I was working in the U.S. a few years back, the oppinion I heard most from people is that they're immensly proud of where their country came from, but they hate it currently. Australia is the reverse, most people feel no real patriotism towards our history, but really like Australia currently. I hope everything in the U.S. sorts itself out, because you do have a history built on some fantastic and honourable ideals
I remember reading a story in one of Stephen Coveys books that helped me immensly. Take a glass jar, fill it with big rocks...is it full? Probably think yes, but take pebbles and add them, shake it around so the pebbles fall in between the big rocks...is it full? Take sand, pour it and shake up so it falls into the cracks left...is it full? Take water, pour water in until it fills the jar.
What's the moral? You can always fit more in? No...the moral is that if you don't put the big rocks in first (the important stuff in your life), you won't have room for them at all. Figure out what's most important in your life, and make a commitment to tackle them before everything else.
I highly recommend the book "First things first" by Dr Stephen Covey. It's an amazing book about time managment that focuses not on getting more out of your time, but on how to structure your day to accomplish the stuff that really matters. I believe, out of my entire (read: $%#ing huge) library, First things first is the book that has contributed most to my life.
I would love to write my congress critter...but I don't have one...live in Australia...that's why I was asking about the subpoena thing...but good luck from this Aussie to all of you that are fighting it :)
because we deloped global capitalism. Because we set the standar for other to achieve.
:)
Yeah...well done with that model you guys came up with...very good...where are those jobs going again? First up against the wall when the revolution comes
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