You can break the phone, but destroying it such that it can't be recognized is difficult, and it's unlikely that they'd *know* it was the phone the cops were after when they show up at the door.
Compare China's GDP to Russia's sometime. I don't think Vlad will be annexing any chunks of China any time soon. China's army is just a teensy bit bigger than Ukraine's.
Look at the argument: "... some sort of lamentation about how tech-savvy criminals will be able to cover up or destroy evidence contained on their phones before the police can crack open these new-fangled address books and copy everything..."
And this will always be true.
Just as assaults on the second amendment are always justified in false claims that they're aimed at stopping criminals, but have no effect but disarming the law abiding, similarly criminals will always be able to destroy their own devices, but the generally law abiding will be the one's who failed to destroy the evidence of their "crimes".
In both cases, it's the general law abiding citizen that is the real target, not the willful hardened criminal or terrorist, who won't be affected in the least.
New laws aren't about fighting crime. Mankind has had plenty of time to figure out that they don't approve of murder. New laws are about finding new ways to turn citizens into criminals who can be punished, and therefore controlled.
You are either a shill or a moron, and this whole subthread is a festering infection of fuckwits.
-- Noam Chomsky
Wow, well reasoned retort! Am I a poopyhead too?
Funny how the name "Chomsky" follows fast after the word fuckwit.
Yes, indeed, Apple is so much more tyrannical than the government. They "deny" me the products that *they create* if I don't give them money in exchange. Whereas the government threatens violence against me for a trillion trillion things I might want to do, a trillion trillion exchanges I and others would be happy to make with each other, and *demands* money for me in "exchange" for so fucking me.
Oh, yeah. Apple - worse than Hitler. Much more tyrannical than government. Fuckwit.
Yes, the Fed can basically print money, which is a crime called counterfeiting when done by anyone else.
And that's your solution to the crime of the progressive kleptocracy of Detroit - a crime against the nation as a whole by the Federal kleptocracy.
Someone's not insolvent if they have cash flows? Really? If you owe a billion dollars, but have cash flow of 1 dollar a day, you're "solvent"? You must be a government accountant. Ah! An accountant for Detroit City Government! Mystery solved!
In the fifties, Detroit was one of the most prosperous cities in America, but after half a century of one party progressive government, starting in 1962, it is a bankrupt toilet.
"Detroit bet". No, the corrupt kleptocracy ruling Detroit made that bet.
And now that the Detroit tax base has dried up, you want a bailout from national tax payers to keep the kleptocracy going. Typical. That's the way the Takers always see it - there will always be someone else to shake down and rob.
You'll routinely pay 10x or 100x markup for all that lovely FDA "protection". If only the mafia were providing health care, I'm sure their "protection" wouldn't be quite so pricey.
Medicine is all about information technology and customization. The prices of these things have been coming done exponentially, but medical prices still go up. Why? Because fuck you, that's why. Because they can. Because with medicine, the link between your money and your life is more direct than usual, therefore those with the guns can rob you like any mugger would, taking every last penny in your pocket. Would you rather be dead? No? Then you'll fork over whatever they say. They make competition with the government approved rent seekers illegal, then say "pay up or die". It's a great racket.
Like locks on a door, this is only to deter the casual litigant. It wouldn't stand up in court, but if someone was to express an interest in suing, GM would reply with "you signed a document saying you wouldn't", and that would be good enough for 99% of the brainless slugs.
This.
I'd guess that almost all contracts aimed directly at people without legal representation - customers and employees - contain clauses that would be thrown out in court. The point isn't to be legal, it's to bully people who don't know any better.
You are only affected insofar as the US might be unable to provide its current level of services at their current price, and are free to renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere.
Federal debt operates just like limited liability corporations debt would, in this sense.
No, I am affected to the extent that the government has guns and will use them against me if I don't fork what they decide I owe them.
Not exactly like a limited liability corporation, as few of them have the firepower to shake down hundreds of millions of people to pay their debt.
I'm free to leave? How kind of you! Where am I free to move *to*? Anywhere that I could actually be free from the Tax Ranchers? I thought not.
The Tax Ranchers have the guns. Today. May not always be the case.
It's a far cry from the life of a typical family trying to settle, say, Western Kentucky in 1814, where dying young (if you were lucky enough to make it to adulthood in the first place) was pretty damned common....they did get to see more stars at night, though.
Try going to some old cemetery in the plains states and look at how many gravestones mark children under 5. I was tracking my family history and found the family site. Early 1900s, there were a number of children with headstones.
With the way that china does things, there is ZERO chance that they will change anything. Heck, they continue to expand with 2 new coal plants each WEEK.
There is a chance - new technology that is cheaper.
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So all the cops in the Democractic one party state of Detroit will immediately hop to to find your phone?
You can break the phone, but destroying it such that it can't be recognized is difficult, and it's unlikely that they'd *know* it was the phone the cops were after when they show up at the door.
Stormfront down today?
It's all the dead guy's fault.
Estimates are off?
Science Denier! The Science is Settled!
Basically it's a geek zoo to point and laugh at.
Good luck with that, Vlad.
Compare China's GDP to Russia's sometime. I don't think Vlad will be annexing any chunks of China any time soon. China's army is just a teensy bit bigger than Ukraine's.
Look at the argument: "... some sort of lamentation about how tech-savvy criminals will be able to cover up or destroy evidence contained on their phones before the police can crack open these new-fangled address books and copy everything..."
And this will always be true.
Just as assaults on the second amendment are always justified in false claims that they're aimed at stopping criminals, but have no effect but disarming the law abiding, similarly criminals will always be able to destroy their own devices, but the generally law abiding will be the one's who failed to destroy the evidence of their "crimes".
In both cases, it's the general law abiding citizen that is the real target, not the willful hardened criminal or terrorist, who won't be affected in the least.
New laws aren't about fighting crime. Mankind has had plenty of time to figure out that they don't approve of murder. New laws are about finding new ways to turn citizens into criminals who can be punished, and therefore controlled.
You are either a shill or a moron, and this whole subthread is a festering infection of fuckwits.
-- Noam Chomsky
Wow, well reasoned retort! Am I a poopyhead too?
Funny how the name "Chomsky" follows fast after the word fuckwit.
Yes, indeed, Apple is so much more tyrannical than the government. They "deny" me the products that *they create* if I don't give them money in exchange. Whereas the government threatens violence against me for a trillion trillion things I might want to do, a trillion trillion exchanges I and others would be happy to make with each other, and *demands* money for me in "exchange" for so fucking me.
Oh, yeah. Apple - worse than Hitler. Much more tyrannical than government. Fuckwit.
No government ever built a gun.
But they do collect them and point them at people. And then pull the trigger.
It's interesting that you think that government is morally superior because it doesn't actually produce any goods, but instead extorts them by force.
Makers are Evil, Takers are Good? I suppose you have a lot of company in your perverted morality.
Really? You're trying to solve this "problem"?
My thought upon reading this story was, "Oh, thank God!!"
I had been hoping there was a definite end that science could not trick.
Another Death worshipper.
Yes, some people are working on that problem. It may come as a shock to you, but some people think being alive is better than being dead.
Yes, the Fed can basically print money, which is a crime called counterfeiting when done by anyone else.
And that's your solution to the crime of the progressive kleptocracy of Detroit - a crime against the nation as a whole by the Federal kleptocracy.
Someone's not insolvent if they have cash flows? Really? If you owe a billion dollars, but have cash flow of 1 dollar a day, you're "solvent"? You must be a government accountant. Ah! An accountant for Detroit City Government! Mystery solved!
In the fifties, Detroit was one of the most prosperous cities in America, but after half a century of one party progressive government, starting in 1962, it is a bankrupt toilet.
"Detroit bet". No, the corrupt kleptocracy ruling Detroit made that bet.
And now that the Detroit tax base has dried up, you want a bailout from national tax payers to keep the kleptocracy going. Typical. That's the way the Takers always see it - there will always be someone else to shake down and rob.
"all those nasty government regulations came about because people were getting fleeced..."
Are you really enough of a buffoon to believe that?
I'd note that if the concern were really about getting fleeced, fraud has been both criminally and civilly actionable for a long long time.
Isn't that what liberals always do, if only metaphorically?
See Detroit for details.
Everyone gets a choice on whether to use them everyday, which is much more than anyone can say about government.
This shouldn't come as a big surprise.
You'll routinely pay 10x or 100x markup for all that lovely FDA "protection". If only the mafia were providing health care, I'm sure their "protection" wouldn't be quite so pricey.
Medicine is all about information technology and customization. The prices of these things have been coming done exponentially, but medical prices still go up. Why? Because fuck you, that's why. Because they can. Because with medicine, the link between your money and your life is more direct than usual, therefore those with the guns can rob you like any mugger would, taking every last penny in your pocket. Would you rather be dead? No? Then you'll fork over whatever they say. They make competition with the government approved rent seekers illegal, then say "pay up or die". It's a great racket.
Like locks on a door, this is only to deter the casual litigant. It wouldn't stand up in court, but if someone was to express an interest in suing, GM would reply with "you signed a document saying you wouldn't", and that would be good enough for 99% of the brainless slugs.
This.
I'd guess that almost all contracts aimed directly at people without legal representation - customers and employees - contain clauses that would be thrown out in court. The point isn't to be legal, it's to bully people who don't know any better.
You are only affected insofar as the US might be unable to provide its current level of services at their current price, and are free to renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere.
Federal debt operates just like limited liability corporations debt would, in this sense.
No, I am affected to the extent that the government has guns and will use them against me if I don't fork what they decide I owe them.
Not exactly like a limited liability corporation, as few of them have the firepower to shake down hundreds of millions of people to pay their debt.
I'm free to leave? How kind of you! Where am I free to move *to*? Anywhere that I could actually be free from the Tax Ranchers? I thought not.
The Tax Ranchers have the guns. Today. May not always be the case.
It's a far cry from the life of a typical family trying to settle, say, Western Kentucky in 1814, where dying young (if you were lucky enough to make it to adulthood in the first place) was pretty damned common. ...they did get to see more stars at night, though.
Try going to some old cemetery in the plains states and look at how many gravestones mark children under 5. I was tracking my family history and found the family site. Early 1900s, there were a number of children with headstones.
Civilization is a fine thing.
With the way that china does things, there is ZERO chance that they will change anything. Heck, they continue to expand with 2 new coal plants each WEEK.
There is a chance - new technology that is cheaper.
What is the federal debt, but inherited debt?
They can be held accountable because fuck you, that's why.
Since when does the government need to justify a shakedown? You got money. They got guns. Guess who wins.
What model predicted the current and ongoing pause in warming?
Maybe the government should take a look at their own drone safety record.
Silly goose, their drones are *supposed* to kill people.