If the patent in question does not give specifics, then it certainly was not granted. They don't even let you use words like "prompt" or "timely" - you have to define those terms in millseconds or years or some unit.
What a lovely piece of nonsense. Not saying you're incorrect, just that this goes to the heart if problem; the entire idea of "obviousness" is fuzzy. It doesn't matter if everything else is, or is not, well defined if that's at the core of patent law. It is and the patent mafia are taking advantage of that to do some major empire building at the expense of the rest of society.
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Creating simple artificial scarcity with copyright and patents on things that can be copied billions of times at minimal cost is a fundamentally stupid economic idea.
It is NOT the government's responsibility to insure I don't buy products from companies that have bad policies.
It is the responsibility of my government to represent my interests. Whatever those interests might be. Including fixing bad law that favours vested interests over the general population. The PP's complaint is a valid one.
It is mine. I don't need, nor want, the government to get involved whatsoever.
Powerful groups of people, whether they be governments or corporations, often try to use that power for their own ends. For many reasons the market power of a consumer is sometimes not sufficient to fix those problems.
Most governments tend to fuck up anything they get involved in.
Yeah, that water you're drinking and those roads you're driving are really fucked.
Until we can solve the problem of large/powerful groups of people taking advantage of small/weak groups of people then the market cannot solve all problems and law will continue to be needed to set boundaries. The system we've got is far from perfect but like Churchill said it's better than the alternatives.
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For the copyright bargain to be valid all DRM'ed works should lose copyright.
Sorry, did several searches but couldn't find a link.
It was done when the web was just taking off (it was concerned with readability in word processing, not web pages) and doesn't appear to have made it onto the modern web. I saw the reference in a university library book years ago. It was peripheral to my work so I didn't take much note of it at the time.
Don't think it would be as directly applicable now as more people are reading the web and TV and newspapers aren't as dominant.
Linux's muted look probably comes from the black and white displays that were all that was widely available when X-Windows was first released. The M$Windows DayGlo look probably comes from the limited palette of primary colors that were all that the display hardware supported when M$Windows was first released.
That is a bad idea. If they don't care enough to vote without being forced to, they shouldn't be voting anyway.
There's no such thing as being forced to vote, just being forced to turn up to the polling station.
On balance it's a good thing because voters get presented with "how to vote" advertising at the polling station and the resulting vote, while not terribly well informed, is at least a little more representative. Certainly you don't seem to get as many minority pressure groups and polarized politics as you do in the US.
I'd rather have had a JD write a book on Software Patents than a PhD.
I'd rather have somebody who creates for a living write a book on software patents, rather than somebody with an extreme bias who attempts to profit from the creativity of others.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Some years ago somebody did a national survey to determine what the most popular/best font was. They discovered that in each city it was whatever the font of the major local newspaper was.
People usually prefer whatever it is they're used to and will rationalize any way they can to justify that choice. The Windows DayGlo look and the more traditional Linux look are just two more examples of that.
Personally, I dislike skinnability in general. If I can save a tenth of a second by having a conventional interface where I can find things quickly I'm all for it. Functional things are beautiful in themselves and for me eye candy doesn't even come close to competing.
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Don't be a programmer-bureaucrat; someone who substitutes marketing buzzwords and software bloat for verifiable improvements.
Part of the problem is that GTK, which Firefox relies on on Linux, is designed to abort on memory allocation failure. It's hard to build something more reliable on top of that.
No it isn't. Put a wrapper around the allocator that GTK users. Preallocate some memory at program startup. If the true allocator fails return some of the pre-allocated memory instead and set a flag variable to tell the top level loop that memory allocation is approaching failure. If the allocation failure is larger than the pre-allocated memory then it's likely to be a wild allocation due to corrupted memory; exit gracefully with the error routine using preallocated memory as needed.
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Don't be a programmer-bureaucrat; someone who substitutes marketing buzzwords and software bloat for verifiable improvements.
The second rule might require things like printing error messages character by character rather than building up the message in a buffer before printing it. It's more of a pain, and it's slower, but it's possible.
It's even easier than that. Just reserve whatever miniscule resources error recovery may need at program startup. Even statically allocate them. There is no excuse for not having decent error recovery for anything but the most pathological of cases.
I'm tired of lazy programmers who regard resource allocation failure as a "rare event" when it's probably the most common system error that a user sees. Gigabyte memory is no excuse; another program may be using all of that memory.
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Don't be a programmer-bureaucrat; someone who substitutes marketing buzzwords and software bloat for verifiable improvements.
Packages are much easier to manage/update if you can get them.
Try:
sudo checkinstall make install
Works a treat. Checkinstall asks some easy documentation questions, creates a package on the fly and installs it. You can uninstall/reinstall the new package at any time with the standard package manager. I install all my non-packaged software this way.
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Open source software is everything that closed source software is. Plus the source is available.
How does hardware floating point for what borders on a realtime application in 1997 become obvious if nobody else was doing it?
I repeat: It's applicability to any computer problem where you have sufficiently powerful hardware and a need for flexible scaling is blindingly obvious. All companies were and are doing it. Whether it's realtime or not is irrelevant. Whether it's with a framebuffer or not is irrelevant. See my other comment and comment also.
There's no need to throw flamebait out there - but if you must, then at least make sure that your point is linked to the discussion in a rational way.
I used the word bullshit because I'm heartily sick of lawyers implicitly claiming that being first to implement is synonymous with being innovative. Many inventions are obvious but are not implemented due to inadequate precursors. In the case of floating point framebuffer hardware it was because floating point hardware could not keep up with video speeds. When the hardware improved sufficiently it was only a question of time, pricing and business direction before some company decided to implement it.
How can you say that something is obvious when only the world's leader in graphics hardware manages to think of doing it?
There is a world of difference between "thinking of doing it" and "doing it". Don't confuse the two. Patents are not there to protect a business decision.
If SGI wasn't the only company doing it, that's different, but that's the question I posed.
Every company in the industry was using floating point to solve all sorts of problems. It was only a question of time and pricing before it got implemented by many companies.
If truly nobody else came up with it,
That's my point. Many other people thought of it. Shit, I was working with early frame buffer hardware myself with scaling problems and I thought it would be great if the hardware could handle floating point. They were merely the first company to implement it.
then you have a pretty steep hill to climb on convincing anyone that the idea was really so obvious as to be unpatentable.
No hill to climb except for the artificial one created by the patent mafia. The non-obviousness scam that the patent mafia are currently pulling doesn't somehow make patents okay.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
What you describe above is a country with no government. I don't think we should dissolve all government. I think small government, with as much power as possible devolved to the lowest levels, is the ideal solution. Schools will continue to exist without Federal Ed frog-marching them around to the latest federal song (a tv... no, a computer on every desk!); roads will continue to be built without Federal DOT threatening to take states' allowances away for not making all their speed signs say "55"; Police will still be hired without Federal DOJ giving them handouts in exchange for a promise to arrest more underage drinkers.
Your solution fails for the simple reason that large groups of people gang up on small groups of people for no other reason than it's to their advantage. That's what the 300M residents of the USA are doing to a number of other countries at the moment.
Until you solve the problem of small groups being vulnerable to that you'll see more and more concentration power, whether it be corporate or government. The only limits to this process appear to be the increased internal communication inefficiency and increased internal competition of large groups. In an age of instant communication and mass marketing borgify'ing groups those limits appear to be becoming more fragile.
Your points about a US federal government being inefficient make sense until you realise that a weak central government might've been rolled over by the Germans or the Russians. A lot of power centralisation comes in times of war e.g. income tax.
Not saying that I have a solution, just that strong central government seems to be a necessary, albeit inefficient in the short term, evil, to stave off control by other large groups.
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Marketing talk is not just cheap, it has negative value. Free speech can be compromised just as much by too much noise as too little signal.
The key here is that patents are for things that are invented. The invention may be an entirely new idea or a significant improvement on some other idea. By idea, I mean: "process, machine, article of manufacture, or composition of matter."
The key here is that you've actually defined one fuzzy term with a bunch of fuzzy other terms and ended up with nothing. The patent lobby use that fuzziness/ambiguity as an empire building tool.
So even though 64-bit cards are the natural evolution of 32-bit graphics cards, SGI was the first company to "think of" this improvement to the cards.
64 bit is a blindly obvious extension of 32 bit, particularly when you realize that 32 was also an extension of 16, 16 of 8 and 8 of 4, and therefore totally fails any reasonable obviousness test.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
That said, I don't know what the state of the art was in 1998, but how obvious was a floating-point frame buffer back then?
Floating point was developed in the 14th century. Floating point for computers was developed in 1936. It's applicability to any computer problem where you have sufficiently powerful hardware and a need for flexible scaling is blindingly obvious. Please, no more bullshit about it not being obvious more than 60 years later.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I wish lawyers like you would realize that just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean it's not obvious.
Most technology is developed when "it's time has come", the necessary precursors have been developed and the next step in development is obvious. Both floating-point-as-an-extension-of-integer and multi-processing, both also developed incrementally, are blindingly obvious in themselves, and to their applicability, and were developed many decades ago.
Some companies move into a particular area sooner, others later, depending on their business objectives and evaluation of the technology and market. It has absolutely nothing to do with innovation and patents do not protect business models.
I also get highly irritated by lawyers, who are not in the business of creating things like me and hence are amateurs, claiming to know more about creation than I do.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The gamer in politics runs the risk of looking adolescent and frivolous in comparison and usually stands very much alone.
There's a lot of disenfranchised kids out there. Maybe they could run a campaign to lower the voting age to 5?
Failing that maybe, they could run a campaign to get the kids to give their parents, the voters, hell?
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Creating simple artificial scarcity with copyright and patents on things that can be copied billions of times at minimal cost is a fundamentally stupid economic idea.
Secondly, Lua does not support Unicode, which is a defect not only for text processing but for anything requiring serious localization.
That's a showstopper for me. In this day and age no language that claims to be general purpose should be without UTF-8 support. English+ASCII covers only a fraction of the world's languages.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Most digital cameras with USB have a configuration option to switch between using Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) and acting as a USB mass storage device (UMS). Probably your camera is configured for PTP. Enable UMS instead. Ubuntu automounts it by default. Read and write to the camera as you please.
PTP is largely useless, just another protocol to confuse everybody. And most cameras only implement an absolutely minimal subset of it anyway.
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Open source software is everything that closed source software is. Plus the source is available.
Not just the media corporations. The US government is sure to have a back door, at least via automatic update, for snooping.
If I was a non-US government or organization I'd be very concerned about that as they've been caught many times in the past snooping commercial and government secrets for their own country's/company's benefit.
And there's always terrorism, the all purpose excuse...
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I'm not worried about the use of DRM. I'm worried about the abuse.
China has zero respect for other nations' IP laws.
Often with good reason unfortunately. Much "IP" these days is simply market manipulation.
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Creating simple artificial scarcity with copyright and patents on things that can be copied billions of times at minimal cost is a fundamentally stupid economic idea.
TC could help you run a completely bulletproof server by signing all of your in-house code and the OS, but not allowing any other code to run, period. If it's secured on the hardware level, remote exploits become a thing of the past.
Nope. In theory a non-administrator account can't compromise a machine either, particularly if their home folder/directory is made non-execute. TC is just as susceptable to bugs like buffer overflow as any other software security.
TC does add another tool to the security toolkit but it's mainly a way to restrict owner access to media by making the vendor the administrator rather than the owner.
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DRM'ed content breaks the copyright bargain, the first sale doctrine and fair use provisions. It should not be possible to copyright DRM'ed content.
I never said it was victimless. If you continue trying to misrepresent my position and trying to create an emotional and manipulative argument based on it, I'll have to assume you're an RIAA shill and therefore a paid fanatic.
Ever thought of getting real job and contributing to the community instead of being a parasite? You may be paid less money but you'll be paid more in the ways that matter.
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If the patent in question does not give specifics, then it certainly was not granted. They don't even let you use words like "prompt" or "timely" - you have to define those terms in millseconds or years or some unit.
What a lovely piece of nonsense. Not saying you're incorrect, just that this goes to the heart if problem; the entire idea of "obviousness" is fuzzy. It doesn't matter if everything else is, or is not, well defined if that's at the core of patent law. It is and the patent mafia are taking advantage of that to do some major empire building at the expense of the rest of society.
---
Creating simple artificial scarcity with copyright and patents on things that can be copied billions of times at minimal cost is a fundamentally stupid economic idea.
It is NOT the government's responsibility to insure I don't buy products from companies that have bad policies.
It is the responsibility of my government to represent my interests. Whatever those interests might be. Including fixing bad law that favours vested interests over the general population. The PP's complaint is a valid one.
It is mine. I don't need, nor want, the government to get involved whatsoever.
Powerful groups of people, whether they be governments or corporations, often try to use that power for their own ends. For many reasons the market power of a consumer is sometimes not sufficient to fix those problems.
Most governments tend to fuck up anything they get involved in.
Yeah, that water you're drinking and those roads you're driving are really fucked.
Until we can solve the problem of large/powerful groups of people taking advantage of small/weak groups of people then the market cannot solve all problems and law will continue to be needed to set boundaries. The system we've got is far from perfect but like Churchill said it's better than the alternatives.
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For the copyright bargain to be valid all DRM'ed works should lose copyright.
Sorry, did several searches but couldn't find a link.
It was done when the web was just taking off (it was concerned with readability in word processing, not web pages) and doesn't appear to have made it onto the modern web. I saw the reference in a university library book years ago. It was peripheral to my work so I didn't take much note of it at the time.
Don't think it would be as directly applicable now as more people are reading the web and TV and newspapers aren't as dominant.
Linux's muted look probably comes from the black and white displays that were all that was widely available when X-Windows was first released. The M$Windows DayGlo look probably comes from the limited palette of primary colors that were all that the display hardware supported when M$Windows was first released.
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Keep your options open!
That is a bad idea. If they don't care enough to vote without being forced to, they shouldn't be voting anyway.
There's no such thing as being forced to vote, just being forced to turn up to the polling station.
On balance it's a good thing because voters get presented with "how to vote" advertising at the polling station and the resulting vote, while not terribly well informed, is at least a little more representative. Certainly you don't seem to get as many minority pressure groups and polarized politics as you do in the US.
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You communist! Breathing shared air!
So what you're saying is vendors deliberately ship hardware that may fail when interacting with other hardware from the same vendor?
The people responsible should be in jail for fraud as they are representing their equipment as interroperable.
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Marketing talk is not just cheap, it has negative value. Free speech can be compromised just as much by too much noise as too little signal.
I'd rather have had a JD write a book on Software Patents than a PhD.
I'd rather have somebody who creates for a living write a book on software patents, rather than somebody with an extreme bias who attempts to profit from the creativity of others.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I would think a bullet-proof definition of software patents is needed before they can be forbidden.
I think a bullet-proof definition of patents is needed before they should be allowed.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Some years ago somebody did a national survey to determine what the most popular/best font was. They discovered that in each city it was whatever the font of the major local newspaper was.
People usually prefer whatever it is they're used to and will rationalize any way they can to justify that choice. The Windows DayGlo look and the more traditional Linux look are just two more examples of that.
Personally, I dislike skinnability in general. If I can save a tenth of a second by having a conventional interface where I can find things quickly I'm all for it. Functional things are beautiful in themselves and for me eye candy doesn't even come close to competing.
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Don't be a programmer-bureaucrat; someone who substitutes marketing buzzwords and software bloat for verifiable improvements.
Part of the problem is that GTK, which Firefox relies on on Linux, is designed to abort on memory allocation failure. It's hard to build something more reliable on top of that.
No it isn't. Put a wrapper around the allocator that GTK users. Preallocate some memory at program startup. If the true allocator fails return some of the pre-allocated memory instead and set a flag variable to tell the top level loop that memory allocation is approaching failure. If the allocation failure is larger than the pre-allocated memory then it's likely to be a wild allocation due to corrupted memory; exit gracefully with the error routine using preallocated memory as needed.
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Don't be a programmer-bureaucrat; someone who substitutes marketing buzzwords and software bloat for verifiable improvements.
The second rule might require things like printing error messages character by character rather than building up the message in a buffer before printing it. It's more of a pain, and it's slower, but it's possible.
It's even easier than that. Just reserve whatever miniscule resources error recovery may need at program startup. Even statically allocate them. There is no excuse for not having decent error recovery for anything but the most pathological of cases.
I'm tired of lazy programmers who regard resource allocation failure as a "rare event" when it's probably the most common system error that a user sees. Gigabyte memory is no excuse; another program may be using all of that memory.
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Don't be a programmer-bureaucrat; someone who substitutes marketing buzzwords and software bloat for verifiable improvements.
Packages are much easier to manage/update if you can get them.
Try:
Works a treat. Checkinstall asks some easy documentation questions, creates a package on the fly and installs it. You can uninstall/reinstall the new package at any time with the standard package manager. I install all my non-packaged software this way.
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Open source software is everything that closed source software is. Plus the source is available.
How does hardware floating point for what borders on a realtime application in 1997 become obvious if nobody else was doing it?
I repeat: It's applicability to any computer problem where you have sufficiently powerful hardware and a need for flexible scaling is blindingly obvious. All companies were and are doing it. Whether it's realtime or not is irrelevant. Whether it's with a framebuffer or not is irrelevant. See my other comment and comment also.
There's no need to throw flamebait out there - but if you must, then at least make sure that your point is linked to the discussion in a rational way.
I used the word bullshit because I'm heartily sick of lawyers implicitly claiming that being first to implement is synonymous with being innovative. Many inventions are obvious but are not implemented due to inadequate precursors. In the case of floating point framebuffer hardware it was because floating point hardware could not keep up with video speeds. When the hardware improved sufficiently it was only a question of time, pricing and business direction before some company decided to implement it.
How can you say that something is obvious when only the world's leader in graphics hardware manages to think of doing it?
There is a world of difference between "thinking of doing it" and "doing it". Don't confuse the two. Patents are not there to protect a business decision.
If SGI wasn't the only company doing it, that's different, but that's the question I posed.
Every company in the industry was using floating point to solve all sorts of problems. It was only a question of time and pricing before it got implemented by many companies.
If truly nobody else came up with it,
That's my point. Many other people thought of it. Shit, I was working with early frame buffer hardware myself with scaling problems and I thought it would be great if the hardware could handle floating point. They were merely the first company to implement it.
then you have a pretty steep hill to climb on convincing anyone that the idea was really so obvious as to be unpatentable.
No hill to climb except for the artificial one created by the patent mafia. The non-obviousness scam that the patent mafia are currently pulling doesn't somehow make patents okay.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
What you describe above is a country with no government. I don't think we should dissolve all government. I think small government, with as much power as possible devolved to the lowest levels, is the ideal solution. Schools will continue to exist without Federal Ed frog-marching them around to the latest federal song (a tv... no, a computer on every desk!); roads will continue to be built without Federal DOT threatening to take states' allowances away for not making all their speed signs say "55"; Police will still be hired without Federal DOJ giving them handouts in exchange for a promise to arrest more underage drinkers.
Your solution fails for the simple reason that large groups of people gang up on small groups of people for no other reason than it's to their advantage. That's what the 300M residents of the USA are doing to a number of other countries at the moment.
Until you solve the problem of small groups being vulnerable to that you'll see more and more concentration power, whether it be corporate or government. The only limits to this process appear to be the increased internal communication inefficiency and increased internal competition of large groups. In an age of instant communication and mass marketing borgify'ing groups those limits appear to be becoming more fragile.
Your points about a US federal government being inefficient make sense until you realise that a weak central government might've been rolled over by the Germans or the Russians. A lot of power centralisation comes in times of war e.g. income tax.
Not saying that I have a solution, just that strong central government seems to be a necessary, albeit inefficient in the short term, evil, to stave off control by other large groups.
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Marketing talk is not just cheap, it has negative value. Free speech can be compromised just as much by too much noise as too little signal.
The key here is that patents are for things that are invented. The invention may be an entirely new idea or a significant improvement on some other idea. By idea, I mean: "process, machine, article of manufacture, or composition of matter."
The key here is that you've actually defined one fuzzy term with a bunch of fuzzy other terms and ended up with nothing. The patent lobby use that fuzziness/ambiguity as an empire building tool.
So even though 64-bit cards are the natural evolution of 32-bit graphics cards, SGI was the first company to "think of" this improvement to the cards.
64 bit is a blindly obvious extension of 32 bit, particularly when you realize that 32 was also an extension of 16, 16 of 8 and 8 of 4, and therefore totally fails any reasonable obviousness test.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
That said, I don't know what the state of the art was in 1998, but how obvious was a floating-point frame buffer back then?
Floating point was developed in the 14th century. Floating point for computers was developed in 1936. It's applicability to any computer problem where you have sufficiently powerful hardware and a need for flexible scaling is blindingly obvious. Please, no more bullshit about it not being obvious more than 60 years later.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I wish lawyers like you would realize that just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean it's not obvious.
Most technology is developed when "it's time has come", the necessary precursors have been developed and the next step in development is obvious. Both floating-point-as-an-extension-of-integer and multi-processing, both also developed incrementally, are blindingly obvious in themselves, and to their applicability, and were developed many decades ago.
Some companies move into a particular area sooner, others later, depending on their business objectives and evaluation of the technology and market. It has absolutely nothing to do with innovation and patents do not protect business models.
I also get highly irritated by lawyers, who are not in the business of creating things like me and hence are amateurs, claiming to know more about creation than I do.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
However in Windows you can be sure that the login screen you see is the real thing because no application can catch Ctrl-Alt-Del.
That's the theory. Here's the practice.
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I'm not worried about the use of DRM. I'm worried about the abuse.
The gamer in politics runs the risk of looking adolescent and frivolous in comparison and usually stands very much alone.
There's a lot of disenfranchised kids out there. Maybe they could run a campaign to lower the voting age to 5?
Failing that maybe, they could run a campaign to get the kids to give their parents, the voters, hell?
---
Creating simple artificial scarcity with copyright and patents on things that can be copied billions of times at minimal cost is a fundamentally stupid economic idea.
Secondly, Lua does not support Unicode, which is a defect not only for text processing but for anything requiring serious localization.
That's a showstopper for me. In this day and age no language that claims to be general purpose should be without UTF-8 support. English+ASCII covers only a fraction of the world's languages.
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The patent mafia: When all they've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Most digital cameras with USB have a configuration option to switch between using Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) and acting as a USB mass storage device (UMS). Probably your camera is configured for PTP. Enable UMS instead. Ubuntu automounts it by default. Read and write to the camera as you please.
PTP is largely useless, just another protocol to confuse everybody. And most cameras only implement an absolutely minimal subset of it anyway.
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Open source software is everything that closed source software is. Plus the source is available.
Not just the media corporations. The US government is sure to have a back door, at least via automatic update, for snooping.
If I was a non-US government or organization I'd be very concerned about that as they've been caught many times in the past snooping commercial and government secrets for their own country's/company's benefit.
And there's always terrorism, the all purpose excuse...
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I'm not worried about the use of DRM. I'm worried about the abuse.
China has zero respect for other nations' IP laws.
Often with good reason unfortunately. Much "IP" these days is simply market manipulation.
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Creating simple artificial scarcity with copyright and patents on things that can be copied billions of times at minimal cost is a fundamentally stupid economic idea.
TC could help you run a completely bulletproof server by signing all of your in-house code and the OS, but not allowing any other code to run, period. If it's secured on the hardware level, remote exploits become a thing of the past.
Nope. In theory a non-administrator account can't compromise a machine either, particularly if their home folder/directory is made non-execute. TC is just as susceptable to bugs like buffer overflow as any other software security.
TC does add another tool to the security toolkit but it's mainly a way to restrict owner access to media by making the vendor the administrator rather than the owner.
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DRM'ed content breaks the copyright bargain, the first sale doctrine and fair use provisions. It should not be possible to copyright DRM'ed content.
It's just the Microsoft astroturfers with mod points again+1...
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New game: Spot the lying astroturfer on /.!
I never said it was victimless. If you continue trying to misrepresent my position and trying to create an emotional and manipulative argument based on it, I'll have to assume you're an RIAA shill and therefore a paid fanatic.
Ever thought of getting real job and contributing to the community instead of being a parasite? You may be paid less money but you'll be paid more in the ways that matter.
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New game: Spot the lying astroturfer on /.!