No wonder, that's a really old fashioned way of doing things. You need to get with the times and functional programming. Personally I do all my programming in functions, often I just need 1 or 2 big functions for a program if I make sure the functions all behave entirely differently depending on the values of the 30 or so parameters I pass to them. It's very efficient and yet still people moan !
CalcCallWaitingTime StripIllegalCharacters CreateInterfaceToACD DrawCalendarOutline may well be quite a long title ( often it's easier to acronymise them before I hand the code over ) but it's amazing the number of loops you can reuse if you have enough switches.
I think it's fairly obvious you have never been to these sort of villages in the UK. Everything you say may well provide a solution in the US but it would be completely impractical here.
First of all there's probably not much free land around the village to build a bypass and doing so could easily take a decade to complete by which time the sat navs may well have caught up. Secondly I think the last thing the village would want was a huge conglomeration of petrol stations and greasy burger joints on their doorstep. What they want is for lorries not to come through it, the residents are probably wealthy enough not to really need any extra cash.
The only sensible solution is for the sat-nav companies to record which roads are or are not suitable for particular types of vehicle. This is clearly a very useful requirement and you'd think someone would have implemented it by now.
Great, I'm sure this isn't the first time a large company has had such a 'radical' idea. The problem is that whilst it does sound like a nice working environment it's likely only ever going to be actually adopted in a small number of prestige or flagship areas.
Everyone else will continue working in the exactly the same was as they normally do because companies cannot afford and cannot be bothered to spend the money to do this for 90% of their employees.
"I've just seen this new strategy re the comfy seating and un-assigned working locations" "Excellent, that's marrrvellous" "Yes, most of our chairs already meet the recommended comfort standard so we'll keep those. The only thing is they're not really suitable for using laptops with so we'll keep the desks too since they're handy places to put the phones and coffee etc on. Now most of our guys work in teams and are kind of settled where they are but obviously we don't actually directly assign specifc seats so I guess that takes of everything ?" "Marrvellous, our new strategy is a grrreeat success !" "Yes, I knew you'd agree."
Whereas the Dolemite thrives in overheated, dirty, loud environments with lots of children and feeds on the acne and dead skin of it's human hosts. This cunning mite has evolved a secretion which endows it's human hosts with an over inflated opinion of their "rights" and an unwillingness to go out and seek work when they live off the proceeds of child benefits and petty theft. Thus does it ensure the longevity of it's environment for it's future generations.
The two alternatives you mention; a viable short term storage system and a new non polluting and effective energy production system don't actually exist right now so they're not viable alternatives. The only real option we have to fuel burning power stations is the nuclear option which is tried and tested technology which we know works and can provide for all our energy needs.
Personally I think the whole nuclear danger angle is wildly overblown and basically panic and scaremongering, yes there are dangers but then every single method of generating power has associated problems:
Wind farms, take up large areas and look unsightly, can kill birds, can affect local weather patterns Solar power, takes up large areas, expensive, not all that environmentally friendly to produce Tidal power, can cause major disruption to environment and sea life Hydro-electric, requires massive changes to land dislodging wildlife, people etc and associated large impact on the environment Coal/Oil, contribute to global warming, air pollution Nuclear, difficult to deal with waste, expensive to build and maintain
Speaking from the point of view of a resident of the UK we need to make our choice right now, it won't be long before most of our existing nuclear reactors are de-commisionned, our natural gas has ran out and a lot of our oil/coal power stations are also reaching the end of their life span. Wind, hydro, and solar are not going to provide the power we need so we need either more coal, oil or gas power stations or more nuclear. Of the two nuclear is the most environmentally friendly and the most efficient option open to us.
Solar and wind power are fine to augment an exisiting energy policy but half the time it's dark and the wind is unpredictable and can drop to a small breeze incapable of powering the turbine. In particular global warming could well effect the world wind patterns to the extent that wind farms are no longer in windy areas and more or less useless.
The only reliable means we have of producing energy are fuel powered reactors/power stations and hydro-electric plants and these are what a country should base it's energy policy on.
It sounds to me as though you have an irrational fear of nuclear power which is a shame because we're going to be seeing it utilised a lot more often now that governments are realising there simply is no other alternative.
Obviously in the US turkeys are plentiful since they are native to the US. The parent was talking about the UK where turkeys are not native animals and have to be imported or specially farmed, this is why they were at one point expensive and hard to come by over here.
It's some sort of festival they have in the US. I think the Turkey is the national bird over there and by eating it they hope to assume some of it's qualities. Backwards and primitive though it may seem to European eyes it does seem to work.
I think it's basically because before frozen turkeys were widespread they were probably quite expensive and hard to come by. Before that I think we ate geese, swans, pheasants, ducks and things like that.
I expect its probably because they were at one point expensive and available relatively exclusively to the rich that everyone switched over when they could get them more easily to enjoy a bit of 'class'.
Alyx might look pretty but I just can't get along with her, especially in Episode 2 when there's any work to be done she's off before you can say Jack Robinson. "You need to go and get the car Gordon, I'll just wait here and, well just wait really" - it doesn't need 2 people to operate that sniper rifle and the Vortigaunt looks more than capable. "That pesky alarm is going off again, I'll just wait here and sip coffee while you go down and sort it all out". "That gun turret will need to be taken out Gordon, I'll stay here and watch these guys fix up the car *someone* has broke while you'd better get off and do it".
As soon as you get the chance to execute her, she's gone.
Are you saying that Randi makes sure that anyone who he believes might prove him wrong e.g. the worlds greatest dowser doesn't take his test ?
All the whining accounts I've read of how his challenge has been conducted have been written by the sort of charlatans who realise that they will never pass any sort of independant scientific analysis and have realised that his testing method doesn't allow them any room for lying, scheming or cheating in order to prove their "skill".
No scientific study has ever found any evidence that the ability to dowse is a real effect which given how easy it is to test for and how easily a real ability would show up suggests very strongly that dowsing is a load of crap.
There was an interesting article in the news last week about a woman in Saudia Arabia who had been gang raped by several men and was then sentanced to a few years in prison for the crime of consorting with men without permission. I don't think that sort of thing even happened in Iraq and yet, as you quite rightly say, they are a key ally of the west in the war on terror and inappropriate regimes.
Given the current problems ( mentioned on/. somewhere previously ) with bee colonies mysteriously disappearing I'm not sure its a good idea to base something as serious as web servers on their behaviour. It's all well and good whilst they behave themselves and work away as they should but what happens when they decide to mysteriously vanish ? What then ?
I say that nature and technology do not mix and only disaster awaits for mankinds foolish attempts to dally in that which it cannot understand.
I don't see how you can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that this person has the decryption keys in her brain but is refusing to divulge them. Well the police would have to provide their evidence as to why they think the suspect knows the decryption keys and the suspect would provide their evidence as to why they don't know them and then the jury would decide whether to return a guilty or innocent verdict. If you don't think guilt can ever be proved then whats the problem ?
In the first quoted sentence above your argument is circular, you (or a jury) should believe that she is guilty because the police think she is guilty. Nothing was proven other than as you say the police "have good reason to believe". There's LOTS of cases where the police may have a good reason to believe something but could be dead wrong. You can't just strongly suspect someone of wrongdoing, you have to prove it. Why bother with a trial at all if the police have already determined the suspect's guilt? Please, answer me that question directly. I didn't say the police should just turn up in court and say "We think she's guilty" and the jury to say "OK then, we believe you" which is how I'd characterize what your saying. I said that the police should present their evidence as to why they believe she is lying when she says she has no knowledge of the encryption keys. If they can present enough solid evidence to justify their beliefs then the jury can consider that evidence and decide whether or not to return a guilty or a not guilty verdict. It's not for the police to decide guilt but for the jury.
Now obviously this case isn't involving torture, but so what? So what ? You're suggesting that giving the police a right to torture you is similar to allowing them access to your encrpyted files ? I think you need to get a little perspective here !
Your entire justification for this is that it MAY ("may" I emphasize because you and the police still don't even know WHAT is in those files) lead to other arrests. My whole point is that the police don't know what is in those files and that they should have the ability to find out.
More generally in order to have an effective police force they need to be able to gather evidence on people they suspect of having committed crimes. Why should they be unable to use the contents of encrypted files as evidence when said files may well contain full details of the suspects criminal activities. If the suspect kept this information in a safe, or under his bed then the police would have access to it so why should criminals have a loophole which enables them to completely hide things they would rather people didn't find by encryption.
Indeed these files may well be completely unrelated to any investigation, in the same way stuff in your filing cabinet or your video collection may be unrelated to any investigation in which case the police will simply ignore it.
The crucial thing is that the police have a right to require you to allow them access to your encrypted data, the current laws sound like one method of allowing that to happen. It's far from a perfect in a lot of ways but if you can propose any workable alternatives well then I'm sure we'd all love to hear them...
Everyone and anyone has a perfect right to work where they like without any fear of intimidation or harrassment by anyone and this absolutely include HLS.
If you'd rather the work they did at HLS was illegal then you you're perfectly free to push to laws to make it so. Animal rights campaigners have been pushing for just such a thing for decades now but the fact is that the majority of the population disagree with them - we think animal experimentation is justified and should be allowed to continue.
Simply because you realise that you're in a minority does not then give you the right to attempt to impose your agenda on other people, especially not when you do it with intimidation, harassment, death threats, physical violence and punishment beatings, car bombs, letter bombs and any of the other instruments of terrorism. Sooner or later every one of them just has to face the fact that they're wrong, causing pain and suffering to animals is acceptable behaviour if we think we'll get something out of it in the end.
Personally I'd like to see every animal rights activist rounded up, cruelly tortured and then murdered but I realise this is not yet allowed in law so I don't go out on my own and make it happen.
First of all in this case the suspect has not been dragged off the street and tortured, or jailed because she doesn't know where Osama is hiding. If that was the case then yes I agree it would be wrong but I'd be more worried about the random grabbing off the street element than any problems with encryption keys.
In this case the suspect is a known "Animal Rights" Activist and has by her own admission been involved with actions against Huntingdon Life sciences where much of the activity by activists has been basically terrorism, intimidation and thoroughly nasty in nature. She has several encrypted files on her computer and claims that people just randomly sent them to her and she is too thick to be able to unencrypt them and so doesn't have any keys or know what they contain.
If the police prosecute her for failing to hand over the encryption keys which on the face of it they have good reason to believe she has then I'd say it was fairly likely that a jury would agree with them that the chances are she does have the keys and she's lying when she says she doesn't and send her to jail for the allowed time period.
I don't personally believe this is an abuse of any sort of power since the information in those files may well be able to help secure convictions on other activists or information about any new atrocities the activists may be planning.
If the police did bring extremely tenuous charges against someone they have simply dragged in from the street and can't make a case as to why they should hand over their encryption keys then I'd expect the jury to find the accused not guilty.
I guess you need to leave it up to a jury to decide whether it's likely that there is information there which the suspect is refusing to un-encrypt. Ideally you'd have sufficiently convincing evidence that the jury would easily be able to agree with you.
In this case the suspect is a Animal Rights activist who has obviously been involved with the Huntingdon Life Sciences protests, according to her "facist thugs" stole her PC from her a few months ago and are now demanding encryption keys for all the encrypted files she has on her PC. She claims she's too stupid to be able to uncencrypt all this encrypted stuff people send her and hasn't a clue about anything complicated like passwords or anything.
For those not aware of the situation these sort of Animal Rights activists are basically terrorists, they undertake bombing campaigns, engage in unreasonable stalking, verbal and physical violence against anyone they don't like, dig up the dead bodies of their targets relatives and hold them for ransom. They are basically really really nasty ignorant people and I think it's highly likely this woman is involved in all sorts of horrible things and that her claims of ignorance about whats in the encrypted files is nonsense.
In this case I can see a use for this sort of law if it will help lock more of these evil people away in jail.
I'm not sure how you are defining "win", you ( the USA ) don't seem to have any particular objective in Iraq anymore, you appear to have given up completely with any kind of rebuilding program and the civil war is clearly being waged entirely beyond your control so I don't see there is anything you really can do to come out of this with a positive conclusion for either yourselves or the Iraq.
Now that you have caused so much chaos I would like your troops, and our UK troops to stay in there for as long as possible whilst their is any possibility of improving the situation, you can't just pack up and leave and shirk all responsibility but to do that you need to send in many more troops and more importantly much much more money and resources to actually rebuild the country. I'd fully support that sort of action but I won't support simply hanging on to suit the approval ratings of your president and our prime minister without actually improving the situation for Iraq.
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No wonder, that's a really old fashioned way of doing things. You need to get with the times and functional programming. Personally I do all my programming in functions, often I just need 1 or 2 big functions for a program if I make sure the functions all behave entirely differently depending on the values of the 30 or so parameters I pass to them. It's very efficient and yet still people moan !
CalcCallWaitingTime StripIllegalCharacters CreateInterfaceToACD DrawCalendarOutline may well be quite a long title ( often it's easier to acronymise them before I hand the code over ) but it's amazing the number of loops you can reuse if you have enough switches.
I think it's fairly obvious you have never been to these sort of villages in the UK. Everything you say may well provide a solution in the US but it would be completely impractical here.
First of all there's probably not much free land around the village to build a bypass and doing so could easily take a decade to complete by which time the sat navs may well have caught up. Secondly I think the last thing the village would want was a huge conglomeration of petrol stations and greasy burger joints on their doorstep. What they want is for lorries not to come through it, the residents are probably wealthy enough not to really need any extra cash.
The only sensible solution is for the sat-nav companies to record which roads are or are not suitable for particular types of vehicle. This is clearly a very useful requirement and you'd think someone would have implemented it by now.
Great, I'm sure this isn't the first time a large company has had such a 'radical' idea. The problem is that whilst it does sound like a nice working environment it's likely only ever going to be actually adopted in a small number of prestige or flagship areas.
Everyone else will continue working in the exactly the same was as they normally do because companies cannot afford and cannot be bothered to spend the money to do this for 90% of their employees.
"I've just seen this new strategy re the comfy seating and un-assigned working locations"
"Excellent, that's marrrvellous"
"Yes, most of our chairs already meet the recommended comfort standard so we'll keep those. The only thing is they're not really suitable for using laptops with so we'll keep the desks too since they're handy places to put the phones and coffee etc on. Now most of our guys work in teams and are kind of settled where they are but obviously we don't actually directly assign specifc seats so I guess that takes of everything ?"
"Marrvellous, our new strategy is a grrreeat success !"
"Yes, I knew you'd agree."
Whereas the Dolemite thrives in overheated, dirty, loud environments with lots of children and feeds on the acne and dead skin of it's human hosts. This cunning mite has evolved a secretion which endows it's human hosts with an over inflated opinion of their "rights" and an unwillingness to go out and seek work when they live off the proceeds of child benefits and petty theft. Thus does it ensure the longevity of it's environment for it's future generations.
It's your birthday, we can have cake and a nice party with all your friends. Won't that be nice.
Keep young children in the walled garden, those that survive and escape can be schooled those that don't are no longer a drain on my resources.
The two alternatives you mention; a viable short term storage system and a new non polluting and effective energy production system don't actually exist right now so they're not viable alternatives. The only real option we have to fuel burning power stations is the nuclear option which is tried and tested technology which we know works and can provide for all our energy needs.
Personally I think the whole nuclear danger angle is wildly overblown and basically panic and scaremongering, yes there are dangers but then every single method of generating power has associated problems:
Wind farms, take up large areas and look unsightly, can kill birds, can affect local weather patterns
Solar power, takes up large areas, expensive, not all that environmentally friendly to produce
Tidal power, can cause major disruption to environment and sea life
Hydro-electric, requires massive changes to land dislodging wildlife, people etc and associated large impact on the environment
Coal/Oil, contribute to global warming, air pollution
Nuclear, difficult to deal with waste, expensive to build and maintain
Speaking from the point of view of a resident of the UK we need to make our choice right now, it won't be long before most of our existing nuclear reactors are de-commisionned, our natural gas has ran out and a lot of our oil/coal power stations are also reaching the end of their life span. Wind, hydro, and solar are not going to provide the power we need so we need either more coal, oil or gas power stations or more nuclear. Of the two nuclear is the most environmentally friendly and the most efficient option open to us.
Solar and wind power are fine to augment an exisiting energy policy but half the time it's dark and the wind is unpredictable and can drop to a small breeze incapable of powering the turbine. In particular global warming could well effect the world wind patterns to the extent that wind farms are no longer in windy areas and more or less useless.
The only reliable means we have of producing energy are fuel powered reactors/power stations and hydro-electric plants and these are what a country should base it's energy policy on.
It sounds to me as though you have an irrational fear of nuclear power which is a shame because we're going to be seeing it utilised a lot more often now that governments are realising there simply is no other alternative.
And indeed a Thunderdrome, that's what Russia should be concentrating on building now.
Obviously in the US turkeys are plentiful since they are native to the US. The parent was talking about the UK where turkeys are not native animals and have to be imported or specially farmed, this is why they were at one point expensive and hard to come by over here.
It's some sort of festival they have in the US. I think the Turkey is the national bird over there and by eating it they hope to assume some of it's qualities. Backwards and primitive though it may seem to European eyes it does seem to work.
I think it's basically because before frozen turkeys were widespread they were probably quite expensive and hard to come by. Before that I think we ate geese, swans, pheasants, ducks and things like that.
I expect its probably because they were at one point expensive and available relatively exclusively to the rich that everyone switched over when they could get them more easily to enjoy a bit of 'class'.
The main game I remember without levels was Elite. You needed a hard drive to play it because of the constant data loads but there were no levels.
Alyx might look pretty but I just can't get along with her, especially in Episode 2 when there's any work to be done she's off before you can say Jack Robinson. "You need to go and get the car Gordon, I'll just wait here and, well just wait really" - it doesn't need 2 people to operate that sniper rifle and the Vortigaunt looks more than capable. "That pesky alarm is going off again, I'll just wait here and sip coffee while you go down and sort it all out". "That gun turret will need to be taken out Gordon, I'll stay here and watch these guys fix up the car *someone* has broke while you'd better get off and do it".
As soon as you get the chance to execute her, she's gone.
Are you saying that Randi makes sure that anyone who he believes might prove him wrong e.g. the worlds greatest dowser doesn't take his test ?
All the whining accounts I've read of how his challenge has been conducted have been written by the sort of charlatans who realise that they will never pass any sort of independant scientific analysis and have realised that his testing method doesn't allow them any room for lying, scheming or cheating in order to prove their "skill".
No scientific study has ever found any evidence that the ability to dowse is a real effect which given how easy it is to test for and how easily a real ability would show up suggests very strongly that dowsing is a load of crap.
There was an interesting article in the news last week about a woman in Saudia Arabia who had been gang raped by several men and was then sentanced to a few years in prison for the crime of consorting with men without permission. I don't think that sort of thing even happened in Iraq and yet, as you quite rightly say, they are a key ally of the west in the war on terror and inappropriate regimes.
Given the current problems ( mentioned on /. somewhere previously ) with bee colonies mysteriously disappearing I'm not sure its a good idea to base something as serious as web servers on their behaviour. It's all well and good whilst they behave themselves and work away as they should but what happens when they decide to mysteriously vanish ? What then ?
I say that nature and technology do not mix and only disaster awaits for mankinds foolish attempts to dally in that which it cannot understand.
I think this is a song about Gene Simmons
I'm tired of self respect
I can't afford a car
I wanna be a tool
Don't need no soul
Wanna make big money
Playing rock and roll
I'll make my music boring
I'll play my music slow
I ain't no artist, I'm a businessman
No ideas of my own
I won't offend
Or rock the boat
Just sex and drugs
And rock and roll
Drool, Drool, Drool, Drool, Drool, Drool...My Payola!
Drool, Drool, Drool, Drool, Drool, Drool...My Payola!
You'll pay ten bucks to see me
On a fifteen foot high stage
Fatass bouncers kick the shit
Out of kids who try to dance
If my friends say
I've lost my guts
I'll laugh and say
That's rock and roll
But There's just one problem.....
Is my cock big enough
Is my brain small enough
For you to make me a star
Give me a toot
And I'll sell you my soul
Pull my strings and I'll go far
And when I'm rich
And meet Bob Hope
We'll shoot some fool
And shoot some dope
Is my cock big enough
Is my brain small enough
For you to make me a star
I think the argument as to why thats a bad thing goes something like this:
I'm tired of self respect
I can't afford a car
I wanna be a tool
Don't need no soul
Wanna make big money
Playing rock and roll
I'll make my music boring
I'll play my music slow
I ain't no artist, I'm a businessman
No ideas of my own
I won't offend
Or rock the boat
Just sex and drugs
And rock and roll
You'll pay ten bucks to see me
On a fifteen foot high stage
Fatass bouncers kick the shit
Out of kids who try to dance
If my friends say
I've lost my guts
I'll laugh and say
That's rock and roll
But There's just one problem.....
Is my cock big enough
Is my brain small enough
For you to make me a star
Give me a toot
And I'll sell you my soul
Pull my strings and I'll go far
And when I'm rich
And meet Bob Hope
We'll shoot some fool
And shoot some dope
Is my cock big enough
Is my brain small enough
For you to make me a star
More generally in order to have an effective police force they need to be able to gather evidence on people they suspect of having committed crimes. Why should they be unable to use the contents of encrypted files as evidence when said files may well contain full details of the suspects criminal activities. If the suspect kept this information in a safe, or under his bed then the police would have access to it so why should criminals have a loophole which enables them to completely hide things they would rather people didn't find by encryption.
Indeed these files may well be completely unrelated to any investigation, in the same way stuff in your filing cabinet or your video collection may be unrelated to any investigation in which case the police will simply ignore it.
The crucial thing is that the police have a right to require you to allow them access to your encrypted data, the current laws sound like one method of allowing that to happen. It's far from a perfect in a lot of ways but if you can propose any workable alternatives well then I'm sure we'd all love to hear them
Everyone and anyone has a perfect right to work where they like without any fear of intimidation or harrassment by anyone and this absolutely include HLS.
If you'd rather the work they did at HLS was illegal then you you're perfectly free to push to laws to make it so. Animal rights campaigners have been pushing for just such a thing for decades now but the fact is that the majority of the population disagree with them - we think animal experimentation is justified and should be allowed to continue.
Simply because you realise that you're in a minority does not then give you the right to attempt to impose your agenda on other people, especially not when you do it with intimidation, harassment, death threats, physical violence and punishment beatings, car bombs, letter bombs and any of the other instruments of terrorism. Sooner or later every one of them just has to face the fact that they're wrong, causing pain and suffering to animals is acceptable behaviour if we think we'll get something out of it in the end.
Personally I'd like to see every animal rights activist rounded up, cruelly tortured and then murdered but I realise this is not yet allowed in law so I don't go out on my own and make it happen.
First of all in this case the suspect has not been dragged off the street and tortured, or jailed because she doesn't know where Osama is hiding. If that was the case then yes I agree it would be wrong but I'd be more worried about the random grabbing off the street element than any problems with encryption keys.
In this case the suspect is a known "Animal Rights" Activist and has by her own admission been involved with actions against Huntingdon Life sciences where much of the activity by activists has been basically terrorism, intimidation and thoroughly nasty in nature. She has several encrypted files on her computer and claims that people just randomly sent them to her and she is too thick to be able to unencrypt them and so doesn't have any keys or know what they contain.
If the police prosecute her for failing to hand over the encryption keys which on the face of it they have good reason to believe she has then I'd say it was fairly likely that a jury would agree with them that the chances are she does have the keys and she's lying when she says she doesn't and send her to jail for the allowed time period.
I don't personally believe this is an abuse of any sort of power since the information in those files may well be able to help secure convictions on other activists or information about any new atrocities the activists may be planning.
If the police did bring extremely tenuous charges against someone they have simply dragged in from the street and can't make a case as to why they should hand over their encryption keys then I'd expect the jury to find the accused not guilty.
I guess you need to leave it up to a jury to decide whether it's likely that there is information there which the suspect is refusing to un-encrypt. Ideally you'd have sufficiently convincing evidence that the jury would easily be able to agree with you.
In this case the suspect is a Animal Rights activist who has obviously been involved with the Huntingdon Life Sciences protests, according to her "facist thugs" stole her PC from her a few months ago and are now demanding encryption keys for all the encrypted files she has on her PC. She claims she's too stupid to be able to uncencrypt all this encrypted stuff people send her and hasn't a clue about anything complicated like passwords or anything.
For those not aware of the situation these sort of Animal Rights activists are basically terrorists, they undertake bombing campaigns, engage in unreasonable stalking, verbal and physical violence against anyone they don't like, dig up the dead bodies of their targets relatives and hold them for ransom. They are basically really really nasty ignorant people and I think it's highly likely this woman is involved in all sorts of horrible things and that her claims of ignorance about whats in the encrypted files is nonsense.
In this case I can see a use for this sort of law if it will help lock more of these evil people away in jail.
I'm not sure how you are defining "win", you ( the USA ) don't seem to have any particular objective in Iraq anymore, you appear to have given up completely with any kind of rebuilding program and the civil war is clearly being waged entirely beyond your control so I don't see there is anything you really can do to come out of this with a positive conclusion for either yourselves or the Iraq.
Now that you have caused so much chaos I would like your troops, and our UK troops to stay in there for as long as possible whilst their is any possibility of improving the situation, you can't just pack up and leave and shirk all responsibility but to do that you need to send in many more troops and more importantly much much more money and resources to actually rebuild the country. I'd fully support that sort of action but I won't support simply hanging on to suit the approval ratings of your president and our prime minister without actually improving the situation for Iraq.