If you look at the aftermath of the various EU terrorists attacks, then the response has been basically,"oh you naughty kids, don't do this again or I will have to scold you a second time". That doesn't exactly seem to work. It seemed to work well enough against the IRA in the end, before things began to get resolved the UK government tried all sorts of things like detention without trial, executing suspects in the street, special prisons etc none of which were particulary effective. What did work was creating an atmosphere where the terrorists could compromise and work things out politically rather than with the barrel of a gun.
Of course comparisons with the IRA don't fit 100% with the current spate of terrorism because on the one hand the IRA were much more organised and effective than the current jokers and on the other the current terrorists don't have seem to have a political wing or any sensible demands they want met or anyone to meet with to discuss them.
In my opinion we should take reasonable steps to prevent terrorism, use the current police powers to deal with those we catch and chalk up any actual terrorist "successes" to being an unvoidable fact of life and not get ourselves worked up into a foaming lather over what seem to be at the most a hundred or so deaths. This might sound heartless and disrespectful to the victims but at least as many people seem to die in train crashes as die from terrorism which compared to Europes annual number of deaths is a completely insignificant figure.
It used to be the case where prisoners of war could use the Geneva convention to understand what to expect and the methods which would be used to detain them.
If you're planning on torturing POWs then yes it might be useful for them to know the sort of techinques you might be using so they can prepare for them but I'd sincerely hope that any nation calling its self civilised would definitely not be torturing it's POWs, under any circumstances. Any non military prisoners should be treated by the existing criminal justice system which also, so far as I am aware, does not allow torture as a valid means of gathering evidence.
+ No weapons of Mass Destruction ever found + No realistic plan at all to rebuild Iraq + More Iraqi deaths since occupation than under Saddam + Kurdish terrorists now attacking Turkey + The creation of huge Iraq sized terrorist training camp + American and UK forces too tied up in Iraq to effectively deal with problems in Afghanistan + American troops seen as evil due to their behaviour running various prisons + Trillions of dollars wasted to no good effect + Thousands of American deaths and countless more severely injured + Iraq poised for a civil war the second the US pulls out + Iran and other enemies of freedom reaping the benefits of an overstretched US military + Constantly rising oil prices
- Females were attending school anyway, perhaps you were thinking of Afghanistan ? - Mass graves are still being filled from the daily death toll of suicide bombs and terrorist attacks
You're only quoting half of that quote though, the full quotation is:
Those that give up Liberty to have temporary Security deserve neither whilst those who abuse their liberty to stand in the way of lasting security and protection from terrorism deserve to lose all that they have, including liberty and security but also, and not limited to, their house, job and position in society.
I pretty much agree, previously no one I know has taken the idea of Linux at all seriously but in the last month 2 people have independantly told me they tried Ubuntu and really liked it ( looks much better than Vista even was one comment ) and someone else is asking me which is the best version of Linux to install.
In addition to that members of my family have bought a variety of consumer electronics which have turned out to run on Linux ( FSG, Tom-Tom and some sort of cable box thing ). I'd say Linux has a higher profile now and is looked on pretty favourably by ordinary folks.
You haven't addressed any of the points you were asked to and just continued with your agenda of slagging off the poster instead. You have,quite rightly, been moderated as a Troll.
I'm not sure Iran really needs submarines to do this, I'm sure they have sufficient relatively short range missiles to thoroughly destroy anything moving through the straits from dry land.
I think most of the Western World recognise yesterday as the end of WWI and in the UK at least we remember all those who died more or less pointlessly in that war. It's called Armstice day in the UK.
The poppy collection goes to help all veterans rather than just WWI veterans since there's not so many of them around any more.
I don't think it's really a case of them keeping things quiet, it's when they can do things such as abducting their political opponents under a pretext which will keep the majority of people from bothering to do anything about it.
For example in Pakistan the current regime is making no attempt to hide the fact their main political opponent is under house arrest but their excuse that it's for her own protection is presumably a good enough for their supporters and the silent majority to accept this as being a non threatening and normal part of the workings of government.
Most Germans during WWII were probably quite well aware of the problems the Jewish people were having with the Nazi government but their supporters and the silent majority realised that trying to do anything about it was probably too dangerous for them personally and so it continued.
I don't think the US public are quite ready to accept this level of nastiness just yet but they did accept the pretext for war in Iraq and Afghanistan without too much trouble so living in a modern society with good communication is obviously no real defence against that sort of tactic.
You don't really believe any of that crap do you ?
Didn't anyone ever tell you that the best defense is a good offense?
Maybe in Baseball or Netball or whatever game it is you like to play this is true but it in real life such a stupid strategy is only going to get you into trouble. Was Hitlers best defence his strong offence or did he just create so many enemies that he didn't stand a chance of winning against them ?
Perhaps in some magic alternate reality attacking and invading countries you believe pose a threat to America might be a good strategy provided that in this magic world you ended up with somewhere better, more sympathetic to Americas wishes, where the people enjoyed happier lives and which you were able to plan for and carry out successfully.
Sadly in real life the only thing America has proved is that it's either simply not interested in improving peoples lives or making former enemy countries become trusted allies or it's simply too inept and stupid to actually make that a reality.
Take the case of Iraq ( ignoring the fact there was simply no reason for attacking Iraq in the first place ) where the planning for post war reconstruction was began around 2 months before the invasion was actually scheduled and the post war planners were refused all requests for extra troops and didn't have access to any information on how Iraq actually worked as a country. These decisions have led directly to the disaster that Iraq has turned into today. Sooner or later US troops will have to leave, their will be a civil war and whoever wins will most likely not look all that favourably on the US.
Take Afghanistan, the inital battle against the Taleban may have been won but now years later the coalition is losing more and more ground to the resurgent Taleban and will eventually lose altogether unless vastly more resources are invested in the country.
Anyone who can appreciate whats happened so far and seriously suggest attacking Iran must be mad, just how much worse exactly do you want to make the situation ?
As far as WMDs go, why can you not just admit you were wrong to believe there ever were any WMDs ? The evidence is clearly now all in and there were never any WMDs and no one with any credibility at all will claim otherwise.
I've read a few of your posts today ArcherB. I am willing to bet you were all for the war in Iraq and believed completely that the terrible power of their WMDs needed to be stopped.
So, tell me now - where are those WMDs ? Just how much of a glowing success has the invasion of Iraq proved to be ? Just how thrilled are you at the idyllic, safe and happy society the US has helped to create in Afghanistan.
Your sort really need to just sit back and try to learn from your mistakes before you go around advocating yet further stupidity elsewhere in the world.
The real reason for this should be immediately obvious to anyone as schooled in espionage as I am.
A common gambit for agencies wishing to implant a mole into a rival agency is to first of all establish their lack of attachment for the potential mole, common techniques for this are high profile embarrasing sackings or similar. Just as we see here.
Don't be surprised to see this guy revert to the life of an itinerant alcoholic for a while telling the world about how he made it big with one of the top dogs in the software industry and how he could have been great if the bastards hadn't dragged him down like that and how he'd do anything for revenge.
The aim obviously is for him to be hired by Red Hat or someone similar where he can then work from within to destroy them.
It's all obvious for those looking at the right signs.
It's always amusing coming back to Birmingham Airport ( UK ) the customs guys spend around 5 seconds scanning your passport and thats it.
I flew back from Dublin once to Stanstead airport and in order to get through the barrier without going to customs you had to show your boarding card. Unfortunately I'd thrown mine away but the guy let me through on the strength of a reciept from a Burger King in Dublin which he reckoned proved I'd just come from Ireland right enough.
French security are always nice, happy and smiling. They even joke with you as you go through, a total contrast to their downright rude American equivalents - they are really really irritating.
Here's what I mean by this: I understand that the Bible is a revelation from our infinite Creator, and it is self-authenticating and self-attesting. I must interpret Scripture with Scripture, not impose ideas from the outside!
I guess what he meant to say was
Here's what I mean by this: I understand that the Bible is a revelation from our infinite Creator, and it is self-authenticating and self-attesting. I must interpret Scripture with Scripture, not impose ideas from the outside! Apart from the idea that the bible is a revelation from his inifite creator and is self authenticating and self-attesting
It's really hard to understand how people can be so completely deluded.
Even more ridiculous is that in many airports once you've been through the customs shakedown and security check you get to the duty free area where most restaurants have plenty of nice steel knives and forks, I've even seen steak knives but the ordinary ones can easily be sharpened up to make them more deadly if you really wanted to.
I'm fairly sure I've seen penknives and similar things for sale in duty free as well.
People in the US would do well to learn what the people of Burma and other model states around the world are already well on their way to learning. As the song says "Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose."
You think the military rulers of Burma are short of money ? With the resources of an entire country at their disposal I rather think not and suggesting that they make carefully balanced purchases based on the relative costs and merits of a product rather than the size of the bribe from the vendor is also a little far fetched.
The investigator is threatening that if the subject doesn't tell him what he wants to hear then he's going to make sure that the subjects family, his parents and his brother and sister are going to be arrested and tortured by the Egyptian authorities.
It's not like this would be an idle threat either, his family could well have ended up being arrested and tortured on the say so the US authorities.
If the US don't want the things they are doing to be used as propoganda by their enemies then they'd be better off not doing things which make Americans look like a bunch of amoral murderous bullies who are quite happy to preach to the world about freedom but have no problem operating a secret police force to torture and harass their enemies.
"Get this project finished to everyones satisfaction and I don't care how you do it"
I'd be a bit surprised if they came back to me the next day and said
"Hey boss, that project thing. It's all fixed up real nice now. Real nice"
And it turned out they'd done it by killing all the people who were waiting for it.
I think most rational people when told to use whatever means necessary take it for granted this means whatever means available within the law. Particulary if you've signed a contract specifically saying that.
This Anderson bloke is basically an idiot, the MPAA paid him peanuts, probably knew full well he was going to break the law to get them the information they wanted but let him go ahead with it anyway having insulated themselves as much as possible from any actions he sees fit to take upon himself.
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Of course comparisons with the IRA don't fit 100% with the current spate of terrorism because on the one hand the IRA were much more organised and effective than the current jokers and on the other the current terrorists don't have seem to have a political wing or any sensible demands they want met or anyone to meet with to discuss them.
In my opinion we should take reasonable steps to prevent terrorism, use the current police powers to deal with those we catch and chalk up any actual terrorist "successes" to being an unvoidable fact of life and not get ourselves worked up into a foaming lather over what seem to be at the most a hundred or so deaths. This might sound heartless and disrespectful to the victims but at least as many people seem to die in train crashes as die from terrorism which compared to Europes annual number of deaths is a completely insignificant figure.
It used to be the case where prisoners of war could use the Geneva convention to understand what to expect and the methods which would be used to detain them.
If you're planning on torturing POWs then yes it might be useful for them to know the sort of techinques you might be using so they can prepare for them but I'd sincerely hope that any nation calling its self civilised would definitely not be torturing it's POWs, under any circumstances. Any non military prisoners should be treated by the existing criminal justice system which also, so far as I am aware, does not allow torture as a valid means of gathering evidence.
Hell yeah ! And here's a few more:
+ No weapons of Mass Destruction ever found
+ No realistic plan at all to rebuild Iraq
+ More Iraqi deaths since occupation than under Saddam
+ Kurdish terrorists now attacking Turkey
+ The creation of huge Iraq sized terrorist training camp
+ American and UK forces too tied up in Iraq to effectively deal with problems in Afghanistan
+ American troops seen as evil due to their behaviour running various prisons
+ Trillions of dollars wasted to no good effect
+ Thousands of American deaths and countless more severely injured
+ Iraq poised for a civil war the second the US pulls out
+ Iran and other enemies of freedom reaping the benefits of an overstretched US military
+ Constantly rising oil prices
- Females were attending school anyway, perhaps you were thinking of Afghanistan ?
- Mass graves are still being filled from the daily death toll of suicide bombs and terrorist attacks
You're only quoting half of that quote though, the full quotation is:
Those that give up Liberty to have temporary Security deserve neither whilst those who abuse their liberty to stand in the way of lasting security and protection from terrorism deserve to lose all that they have, including liberty and security but also, and not limited to, their house, job and position in society.
I pretty much agree, previously no one I know has taken the idea of Linux at all seriously but in the last month 2 people have independantly told me they tried Ubuntu and really liked it ( looks much better than Vista even was one comment ) and someone else is asking me which is the best version of Linux to install.
In addition to that members of my family have bought a variety of consumer electronics which have turned out to run on Linux ( FSG, Tom-Tom and some sort of cable box thing ). I'd say Linux has a higher profile now and is looked on pretty favourably by ordinary folks.
You haven't addressed any of the points you were asked to and just continued with your agenda of slagging off the poster instead. You have,quite rightly, been moderated as a Troll.
I'm not sure Iran really needs submarines to do this, I'm sure they have sufficient relatively short range missiles to thoroughly destroy anything moving through the straits from dry land.
It's not owned by the state but by the British people who pay for it directly with licence fees.
I think most of the Western World recognise yesterday as the end of WWI and in the UK at least we remember all those who died more or less pointlessly in that war. It's called Armstice day in the UK.
The poppy collection goes to help all veterans rather than just WWI veterans since there's not so many of them around any more.
I don't think it's really a case of them keeping things quiet, it's when they can do things such as abducting their political opponents under a pretext which will keep the majority of people from bothering to do anything about it.
For example in Pakistan the current regime is making no attempt to hide the fact their main political opponent is under house arrest but their excuse that it's for her own protection is presumably a good enough for their supporters and the silent majority to accept this as being a non threatening and normal part of the workings of government.
Most Germans during WWII were probably quite well aware of the problems the Jewish people were having with the Nazi government but their supporters and the silent majority realised that trying to do anything about it was probably too dangerous for them personally and so it continued.
I don't think the US public are quite ready to accept this level of nastiness just yet but they did accept the pretext for war in Iraq and Afghanistan without too much trouble so living in a modern society with good communication is obviously no real defence against that sort of tactic.
Maybe in Baseball or Netball or whatever game it is you like to play this is true but it in real life such a stupid strategy is only going to get you into trouble. Was Hitlers best defence his strong offence or did he just create so many enemies that he didn't stand a chance of winning against them ?
Perhaps in some magic alternate reality attacking and invading countries you believe pose a threat to America might be a good strategy provided that in this magic world you ended up with somewhere better, more sympathetic to Americas wishes, where the people enjoyed happier lives and which you were able to plan for and carry out successfully.
Sadly in real life the only thing America has proved is that it's either simply not interested in improving peoples lives or making former enemy countries become trusted allies or it's simply too inept and stupid to actually make that a reality.
Take the case of Iraq ( ignoring the fact there was simply no reason for attacking Iraq in the first place ) where the planning for post war reconstruction was began around 2 months before the invasion was actually scheduled and the post war planners were refused all requests for extra troops and didn't have access to any information on how Iraq actually worked as a country. These decisions have led directly to the disaster that Iraq has turned into today. Sooner or later US troops will have to leave, their will be a civil war and whoever wins will most likely not look all that favourably on the US.
Take Afghanistan, the inital battle against the Taleban may have been won but now years later the coalition is losing more and more ground to the resurgent Taleban and will eventually lose altogether unless vastly more resources are invested in the country.
Anyone who can appreciate whats happened so far and seriously suggest attacking Iran must be mad, just how much worse exactly do you want to make the situation ?
As far as WMDs go, why can you not just admit you were wrong to believe there ever were any WMDs ? The evidence is clearly now all in and there were never any WMDs and no one with any credibility at all will claim otherwise.
I've read a few of your posts today ArcherB. I am willing to bet you were all for the war in Iraq and believed completely that the terrible power of their WMDs needed to be stopped.
So, tell me now - where are those WMDs ? Just how much of a glowing success has the invasion of Iraq proved to be ? Just how thrilled are you at the idyllic, safe and happy society the US has helped to create in Afghanistan.
Your sort really need to just sit back and try to learn from your mistakes before you go around advocating yet further stupidity elsewhere in the world.
I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here, bit stupid shiny sheets stuck all over the place. Not very impressive, not impressive at all.
The real reason for this should be immediately obvious to anyone as schooled in espionage as I am.
A common gambit for agencies wishing to implant a mole into a rival agency is to first of all establish their lack of attachment for the potential mole, common techniques for this are high profile embarrasing sackings or similar. Just as we see here.
Don't be surprised to see this guy revert to the life of an itinerant alcoholic for a while telling the world about how he made it big with one of the top dogs in the software industry and how he could have been great if the bastards hadn't dragged him down like that and how he'd do anything for revenge.
The aim obviously is for him to be hired by Red Hat or someone similar where he can then work from within to destroy them.
It's all obvious for those looking at the right signs.
It's always amusing coming back to Birmingham Airport ( UK ) the customs guys spend around 5 seconds scanning your passport and thats it.
I flew back from Dublin once to Stanstead airport and in order to get through the barrier without going to customs you had to show your boarding card. Unfortunately I'd thrown mine away but the guy let me through on the strength of a reciept from a Burger King in Dublin which he reckoned proved I'd just come from Ireland right enough.
French security are always nice, happy and smiling. They even joke with you as you go through, a total contrast to their downright rude American equivalents - they are really really irritating.
Yes, it means I can give it to other people if I want to.
The only people with a chip on their shoulder are the "biased BBC" people.
Er no. Maths has always been maths in every country apart from the USA. I think it's a shortened version of mathematics.
I guess what he meant to say was
It's really hard to understand how people can be so completely deluded.
Even more ridiculous is that in many airports once you've been through the customs shakedown and security check you get to the duty free area where most restaurants have plenty of nice steel knives and forks, I've even seen steak knives but the ordinary ones can easily be sharpened up to make them more deadly if you really wanted to.
I'm fairly sure I've seen penknives and similar things for sale in duty free as well.
People in the US would do well to learn what the people of Burma and other model states around the world are already well on their way to learning. As the song says "Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose."
You think the military rulers of Burma are short of money ? With the resources of an entire country at their disposal I rather think not and suggesting that they make carefully balanced purchases based on the relative costs and merits of a product rather than the size of the bribe from the vendor is also a little far fetched.
Nothing particularly damning ?
The investigator is threatening that if the subject doesn't tell him what he wants to hear then he's going to make sure that the subjects family, his parents and his brother and sister are going to be arrested and tortured by the Egyptian authorities.
It's not like this would be an idle threat either, his family could well have ended up being arrested and tortured on the say so the US authorities.
If the US don't want the things they are doing to be used as propoganda by their enemies then they'd be better off not doing things which make Americans look like a bunch of amoral murderous bullies who are quite happy to preach to the world about freedom but have no problem operating a secret police force to torture and harass their enemies.
That's the kind of thinking that would get my employees in the box, permanently. Dead men tell no tales.
To be fair if I instructed my minions to:
"Get this project finished to everyones satisfaction and I don't care how you do it"
I'd be a bit surprised if they came back to me the next day and said
"Hey boss, that project thing. It's all fixed up real nice now. Real nice"
And it turned out they'd done it by killing all the people who were waiting for it.
I think most rational people when told to use whatever means necessary take it for granted this means whatever means available within the law. Particulary if you've signed a contract specifically saying that.
This Anderson bloke is basically an idiot, the MPAA paid him peanuts, probably knew full well he was going to break the law to get them the information they wanted but let him go ahead with it anyway having insulated themselves as much as possible from any actions he sees fit to take upon himself.