You shoudl be careful when you preface something is as easy as "shooting fish in a barrel." it usually indicates that you either have not read what you are replying to, or you have not thought before you replied.
See my reply to one of the replies you got to this, then think again about your post and try to learn at least the basics of genetics before you attempt to argue on that basis. As I said, Fish...barrel.
He did say "recessive" gene. Which means, IIRC, that it's just passed on and rarely expresses. Which means that anybody might be carrying it and passing it on to their children, gay or not.
It's 'she' but apart from that you pretty much summed it up:)
Cystic fibrosis is a perfect example here, a disease that frequently causes sterility (hence the gene cannot be passed on if it is reinforced) yet without screening programmes will not die out.
If 2 people are carriers of the gene then each child they have has a 1 in 2 chance of being a carrier, a 1 in 4 chance of not having the gene at all, and a 1 in 4 chance of having the gene reinforced (i.e. cystic fibrosis). This means for every 'all clear' child there are statistically 2 that are carriers but don't necessarily know it (phenotype shows no deviance from 'normal') and 1 child who has the disease. Logically it follows from this that it's not going to disappear from the gene pool on it's own. The same goes for the hypothetical 'gay gene' (something on which I have no opinion, there is too little data).
Anyone wanting to complicate this by bringing 'gene sequences' into the discussion as opposed to simple recessive/dominant genetics please don't, KISS:)
Hate to break the news to you, but it is people like me who guarantee the continuance of the human species. You and your kind are unable to do this. The only one people who are going to become extinct are gays people.
I know I said I was done with you but I can't resist this, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. How will we become extinct? By not passing on our genes? Ah, so you think it's genetic now do you? Contradictions ahoy! If it is genetic then logically it would have to be a recessive gene (or gene group) so would be passed on unreinforced by heterosexuals anyway so we're never going to go away. Genetics 101 for the terminally rednecked:)
Get it through you head that many people consider homosexuality a sickness and if you want people to not treat you are a sick person, then keep your private affairs private. You can try to justify it as homophobia, but there is no fear. Stop lying to yourself.
I don't know why I bother with people like you, you're sick in the head. You do not know the cause(s) of homosexuality, no-one does. It's not a choice, I can 100% guarantee that from experience which is more than you can say. You have no direct experience of it aside from a few weirdos (hey, guess what, there are weird straight people too!), you simply jump to a conclusion and in your smug little self righteous world that allows you to feel superior to a minority. You joined the Klan yet? You seem ideal material!
As for the 'no-one would know if you didn't force it down our throats' don't be so fucking pathetic. If I mention I was out on a date then it's obviously going to come up! Think of all the situations in life where relationships or social life are mentioned. A lot of my social life revolves round the gay scene so it's kinda going to crop up in conversation don't you think? Huh? Maybe?
Your arguement about knowing it as a child is specious at best.
Sorry, I must have missed the part where you suddenly understood what was going on in the brains of the entire rest of the human race. I've been there, you haven't. I knew when I was 10/11 that I didn't like boys the same way the other girls did. Granted there's a difference between knowing that and it being sexual but I still knew.
I'm going to finish this off now with my final comment on this thread, you say we disgust you but let me make one thing crystal clear. I pity you and your poor pathetic closed minded ignorance, your empty headed inability to comprehend anything outside your own sphere of existance. Go crawl back under the rock you came out from under and stay there, people like you are rapidly becoming emotional dinosaurs, a legacy of a past age who's time is almost over.
Got nothing intelligent to say so you might as well check grammar and spelling.
No, look at your sentence again. There's no way anyone can get any meaning out of it, it's nonsense. Not just poor grammar (which I ignore, I never know if English is someone's first language or not) but utterly nonsensical.
Funny that the DSM-III and earlier declared homosexuality a mental illnes. Funny how politics decide what is a mental illness and what isn't.
Ah, a luddite with a computer, what a novelty. Copernicus demonstrated that the planets move round the sun but I assume you'd prefer to go back to the old theory that everything revolves round the Earth? After all, it was a change to the beliefs of scientists and you evidently can't deal with that concept.
Homosexuality is a learned behavior, there is no "fag gene."
Oh, so you're a geneticist now? You're familiar with the entire human genome now are you? You could be some help to those mapping it then, you could save them millions! Sorry? What's that? You made an assumption based on zero or at best insufficient evidence? Doesn't carry much weight then does it? For future reference homosexuality is an observed phenomenon in cats, dogs, dolphons, gorillas, hell even guinea pigs! How would you explain that? Personally I don't try, there's plenty of evidence indicating it's not a learned behaviour but I won't say it's genetic (too little data). All I will say is that it's certainly not a choice.
Unlike you, I go to great lengths to teach my children what is right and wrong.
I have no children but believe strongly that a good sense of what's right and wrong is essential to the healthy growth of anyone, child or adult. I have to ask though whether you think instilling the belief in a child that 'whites are superior to niggers spics and chinks' is 'right'? I certainly don't and I also see no difference between that and teaching them that 'shit stabbers and carpet munchers' are sick or mentally ill. By all means teach the facts but even I wouldn't promote it, as I said it's not a life choice. If someone is gay (and we usually know as a child) then dealing with it would be a hell of a lot easier without being told you're a freak.
You seem to forget that I have a RIGHT to protect my child from interacting with people whom I deem inapprpriate role models. You and your fellow homosexuals have NO RIGHT telling my children that homosexuality is good.
Who's saying it's 'good'? We're a little different to the majority of society, that's all. So are geeks, do you think geeks are mentally ill? All I want is for people to realise it's not an illness, not sick, just different. If someone is gay they should be able to be gay without suffering prejudice because of it. It really is that simple.
Unfortunately the homosexual community seems to make it a requirement to include their agenda wherever they see fit.
Until you started with the homophobic shit I have never mentioned either my gender or sexuality on slashdot. Why? Because it has bugger all to do with anyone else! But when someone comes out with the sort of redneck homophobic remarks you did I feel it's time to jump in and make a stand. This is the point, keep your homophobia to yourself and I won't jump all over your ass. The 'homosexual agenda' is nothing more or less than a demand (and yes it is a demand) that we be treated with the same respect you demand in daily life. Get that through your head and stop behaving like a terrified child and you'll find things a lot clearer.
Looks like somebodies got their panties all twisted up. Does the fact that gay men fuck each other in the.
How about trying it in English next time?
Nothign like an anti gay comment to bring out the fags and carpet muchers.
Well DUH!
I do not give a fuck what two men do in the privacy of their home. I do care when they flaunt it and my children may potentially be exposed to it. I do not want my children to think that homosexuality is normal. I want my children to know that homosexuality is a mental illness.
Funny, the DSMIV doesn't define it as a disease, nor does the ICM10. Perhaps you have some medical source unknown to the rest of the world, the little green pixies perhaps? What would you do if one of your children is gay? 'Re-educate' them? Ostracize them? Think less of them? It's people like you that make coming out to your family so hard, you do realise people kill themselves over things like this don't you? It could be your own kids if you're not careful. And no, that wasn't a wish for it to happen,just bear in mind it could turn out that way.
The uber defense of homosexuality, claim everyone has an urge to do it.
Actually, it's not in line with GLBT rights groups activist guidelines, we're supposed to make friends not enemies. In your case I decided to make an exception though:)
Sorry to bust your clit, but homosexuality is disgusting just as necrofillia and beastiality.
I can testify that the former isn't in any way disgusting, I bow to your obvious expertise in the latter.
But I suppose you will attempt to accuse me of getting aroused at the sight of dead people.
Do you see dead people? Look on the bright side, in Soviet Russia dead people get aroused at the sight of YOU!
I hope you don't include yourself in the category 'men', you're quite clearly the sort of pathetic specimen who should be kept in a sealed jar so people can come look and say 'Oooh, THAT'S what cockroaches evolved from!'. Why do you care if two men want to suck one another off? Does the thought of all that hot cum spurting into your mouth and running down your throat really disgust you? Or does the fact that you start to feel a little twitching 'downstairs' disgust you? Are you afraid of your feelings? Is what you really want a good hard cock to suck? Would you like to join the orchestra on the pink oboe? I bet you would really, you're just too scared to face the truth!
Or to put it another way, do us all a favour and drop dead in a gutter creepoid, you know jack diddly ding dong shit about the real world.
I can feel a flamebait mod coming on but hey, I got karma to burn on assholes like this.
Can we have an anti-goatse version? Maybe one that brings up a page saying 'Hello Slashdot newbie, you have been linked to some sick shit by someone, trust us when we say you do NOT want to look.'
But when the project is finished, do we call it "crap" or "GNU/crap"
The name's probably irrelevant, in true/. style the minute any discussion over it's relative merits was started on the forums the hordes would rush in with cries of 'First post', 'M$ $ux my ass' and 'IANAL and I'm about to prove it by talking bollocks for 3 pages' until 10 seconds later the server explodes in a rain of molten metal:)
Don't forget the part where 'Informative' kicks 'Interesting' in the balls after 'Troll' starts an argument over whether to license it under BSD or GPL.
I think the point here is that Windows makes so many things easy to do and until linux does the same it doesn't matter a damn how technically superior it is, John and Jane user want to click 3 buttons and have it all set up (or changed).
Prime example actually, the DNS config util in RH8.0. I can't use it, no matter what I do it just doesn't make sense. I tried it several times but eventually junked it and edited named.conf by hand. It was supposed to make it easier, it actually made it harder. That's the sort of issue we need to resolve before linux is desktop ready.
n.b. I know John/Jane user is probably never going to use DNS but that's beside the point, it's merely an example of one of the problems the OS community faces.
...I firmly believe we'll see the first release of MSlinux. No-one can deny they have some of the world's most talented programmers working for them, their main problem is simply the code base they're working from.
If the wind of change starts to blow 'due linux' then MS aren't going to sit quietly and die, they'll put together the biggest team ever applied to a linux project and release a distro that will blow RH/MDK/etc out of the water (assuming they survive till then of course). The geeks will still want debian/slackware/etc but MS will create a linux desktop as easy as XP/Win2k for the rest of the world.
Once they're in the OSS game they won't be able to trample all over standards in their usual haphazard fashion because their distro won't be compatible then.
Make no mistake, if linux starts to be where the money is then MS will go there.
There are reports of people in Nacogdoches (where most of the debris appears to have fallen) buying large bags at Walmart in order to scavenge for pieces of the wreckage in violation of federal law and ignoring personal safety concerns.
Pieces of the shuttle are expected to appear on Ebay before too long, I wish I were making this up:(
This is a trend that MUST be stopped! You don't see the consequences, I DO! One day Windows 3.0 will be retro enough to be 'cool' and some bastard will resurrect it!
Personally I'm not blaming Microsoft for the 'slammer'. They patched it in July so I'm blaming the morons that
1. Haven't bothered to keep their SQL servers up to date
and
2. Allow anyone from the internet to connect to that port anyway!
Auntie Gayle's Basic Firewalling Guide for fuckwits
1. Drop EVERYTHING!
2. Specifically open the ports you need.
3. If you do this the other way round (i.e. only drop known problem ports/protocols while leaving everything else open) please report for immediate recycling.
The one thing Microsoft are responsible is for making the sysadmin job seem so easy any moron can do it. This encourages companies to employ button pushers and we end up with things like the 'slammer' debacle.
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You shoudl be careful when you preface something is as easy as "shooting fish in a barrel." it usually indicates that you either have not read what you are replying to, or you have not thought before you replied.
See my reply to one of the replies you got to this, then think again about your post and try to learn at least the basics of genetics before you attempt to argue on that basis. As I said, Fish...barrel.
He did say "recessive" gene. Which means, IIRC, that it's just passed on and rarely expresses. Which means that anybody might be carrying it and passing it on to their children, gay or not.
:)
:)
It's 'she' but apart from that you pretty much summed it up
Cystic fibrosis is a perfect example here, a disease that frequently causes sterility (hence the gene cannot be passed on if it is reinforced) yet without screening programmes will not die out.
If 2 people are carriers of the gene then each child they have has a 1 in 2 chance of being a carrier, a 1 in 4 chance of not having the gene at all, and a 1 in 4 chance of having the gene reinforced (i.e. cystic fibrosis). This means for every 'all clear' child there are statistically 2 that are carriers but don't necessarily know it (phenotype shows no deviance from 'normal') and 1 child who has the disease. Logically it follows from this that it's not going to disappear from the gene pool on it's own. The same goes for the hypothetical 'gay gene' (something on which I have no opinion, there is too little data).
Anyone wanting to complicate this by bringing 'gene sequences' into the discussion as opposed to simple recessive/dominant genetics please don't, KISS
Hate to break the news to you, but it is people like me who guarantee the continuance of the human species. You and your kind are unable to do this. The only one people who are going to become extinct are gays people.
:)
I know I said I was done with you but I can't resist this, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. How will we become extinct? By not passing on our genes? Ah, so you think it's genetic now do you? Contradictions ahoy! If it is genetic then logically it would have to be a recessive gene (or gene group) so would be passed on unreinforced by heterosexuals anyway so we're never going to go away. Genetics 101 for the terminally rednecked
Get it through you head that many people consider homosexuality a sickness and if you want people to not treat you are a sick person, then keep your private affairs private. You can try to justify it as homophobia, but there is no fear. Stop lying to yourself.
I don't know why I bother with people like you, you're sick in the head. You do not know the cause(s) of homosexuality, no-one does. It's not a choice, I can 100% guarantee that from experience which is more than you can say. You have no direct experience of it aside from a few weirdos (hey, guess what, there are weird straight people too!), you simply jump to a conclusion and in your smug little self righteous world that allows you to feel superior to a minority. You joined the Klan yet? You seem ideal material!
As for the 'no-one would know if you didn't force it down our throats' don't be so fucking pathetic. If I mention I was out on a date then it's obviously going to come up! Think of all the situations in life where relationships or social life are mentioned. A lot of my social life revolves round the gay scene so it's kinda going to crop up in conversation don't you think? Huh? Maybe?
Your arguement about knowing it as a child is specious at best.
Sorry, I must have missed the part where you suddenly understood what was going on in the brains of the entire rest of the human race. I've been there, you haven't. I knew when I was 10/11 that I didn't like boys the same way the other girls did. Granted there's a difference between knowing that and it being sexual but I still knew.
I'm going to finish this off now with my final comment on this thread, you say we disgust you but let me make one thing crystal clear. I pity you and your poor pathetic closed minded ignorance, your empty headed inability to comprehend anything outside your own sphere of existance. Go crawl back under the rock you came out from under and stay there, people like you are rapidly becoming emotional dinosaurs, a legacy of a past age who's time is almost over.
Got nothing intelligent to say so you might as well check grammar and spelling.
No, look at your sentence again. There's no way anyone can get any meaning out of it, it's nonsense. Not just poor grammar (which I ignore, I never know if English is someone's first language or not) but utterly nonsensical.
Funny that the DSM-III and earlier declared homosexuality a mental illnes. Funny how politics decide what is a mental illness and what isn't.
Ah, a luddite with a computer, what a novelty. Copernicus demonstrated that the planets move round the sun but I assume you'd prefer to go back to the old theory that everything revolves round the Earth? After all, it was a change to the beliefs of scientists and you evidently can't deal with that concept.
Homosexuality is a learned behavior, there is no "fag gene."
Oh, so you're a geneticist now? You're familiar with the entire human genome now are you? You could be some help to those mapping it then, you could save them millions! Sorry? What's that? You made an assumption based on zero or at best insufficient evidence? Doesn't carry much weight then does it? For future reference homosexuality is an observed phenomenon in cats, dogs, dolphons, gorillas, hell even guinea pigs! How would you explain that? Personally I don't try, there's plenty of evidence indicating it's not a learned behaviour but I won't say it's genetic (too little data). All I will say is that it's certainly not a choice.
Unlike you, I go to great lengths to teach my children what is right and wrong.
I have no children but believe strongly that a good sense of what's right and wrong is essential to the healthy growth of anyone, child or adult. I have to ask though whether you think instilling the belief in a child that 'whites are superior to niggers spics and chinks' is 'right'? I certainly don't and I also see no difference between that and teaching them that 'shit stabbers and carpet munchers' are sick or mentally ill. By all means teach the facts but even I wouldn't promote it, as I said it's not a life choice. If someone is gay (and we usually know as a child) then dealing with it would be a hell of a lot easier without being told you're a freak.
You seem to forget that I have a RIGHT to protect my child from interacting with people whom I deem inapprpriate role models. You and your fellow homosexuals have NO RIGHT telling my children that homosexuality is good.
Who's saying it's 'good'? We're a little different to the majority of society, that's all. So are geeks, do you think geeks are mentally ill? All I want is for people to realise it's not an illness, not sick, just different. If someone is gay they should be able to be gay without suffering prejudice because of it. It really is that simple. Unfortunately the homosexual community seems to make it a requirement to include their agenda wherever they see fit. Until you started with the homophobic shit I have never mentioned either my gender or sexuality on slashdot. Why? Because it has bugger all to do with anyone else! But when someone comes out with the sort of redneck homophobic remarks you did I feel it's time to jump in and make a stand. This is the point, keep your homophobia to yourself and I won't jump all over your ass. The 'homosexual agenda' is nothing more or less than a demand (and yes it is a demand) that we be treated with the same respect you demand in daily life. Get that through your head and stop behaving like a terrified child and you'll find things a lot clearer.
Looks like somebodies got their panties all twisted up. Does the fact that gay men fuck each other in the.
:)
How about trying it in English next time?
Nothign like an anti gay comment to bring out the fags and carpet muchers. Well DUH!
I do not give a fuck what two men do in the privacy of their home. I do care when they flaunt it and my children may potentially be exposed to it. I do not want my children to think that homosexuality is normal. I want my children to know that homosexuality is a mental illness.
Funny, the DSMIV doesn't define it as a disease, nor does the ICM10. Perhaps you have some medical source unknown to the rest of the world, the little green pixies perhaps? What would you do if one of your children is gay? 'Re-educate' them? Ostracize them? Think less of them? It's people like you that make coming out to your family so hard, you do realise people kill themselves over things like this don't you? It could be your own kids if you're not careful. And no, that wasn't a wish for it to happen,just bear in mind it could turn out that way.
The uber defense of homosexuality, claim everyone has an urge to do it.
Actually, it's not in line with GLBT rights groups activist guidelines, we're supposed to make friends not enemies. In your case I decided to make an exception though
Sorry to bust your clit, but homosexuality is disgusting just as necrofillia and beastiality.
I can testify that the former isn't in any way disgusting, I bow to your obvious expertise in the latter.
But I suppose you will attempt to accuse me of getting aroused at the sight of dead people.
Do you see dead people? Look on the bright side, in Soviet Russia dead people get aroused at the sight of YOU!
...this is also handy if your seeing more than one at once
;)
HELLO, EARTH TO OLIVERTHERED, COME IN OLIVERTHERED! You're talking to slashdot peeps, one girl is pushing it let alone two!
I hope you don't include yourself in the category 'men', you're quite clearly the sort of pathetic specimen who should be kept in a sealed jar so people can come look and say 'Oooh, THAT'S what cockroaches evolved from!'. Why do you care if two men want to suck one another off? Does the thought of all that hot cum spurting into your mouth and running down your throat really disgust you? Or does the fact that you start to feel a little twitching 'downstairs' disgust you? Are you afraid of your feelings? Is what you really want a good hard cock to suck? Would you like to join the orchestra on the pink oboe? I bet you would really, you're just too scared to face the truth!
Or to put it another way, do us all a favour and drop dead in a gutter creepoid, you know jack diddly ding dong shit about the real world.
I can feel a flamebait mod coming on but hey, I got karma to burn on assholes like this.
Don't look at me, I was making a joke. The original post has gone from 'Troll' to 'Funny' to (I have no idea why) '+5 Insightful'!
:(
All I was looking to do was get a cheap laugh
Wish I had mod points, at least someone has the same sense of humour as me :)
Ok, the Funny grandparent post is now Insightful, the Complaining parent post is now Funny, can we have a new surreal moderation option? +5 Fish!
Shouldn't that be controlled by a preferences setting, for the benefit of pervos who do want to look?
;)
Nah, make the pervs use IE. It's no more than they deserve
Some people have no sense of humour :(
Can we have an anti-goatse version? Maybe one that brings up a page saying 'Hello Slashdot newbie, you have been linked to some sick shit by someone, trust us when we say you do NOT want to look.'
He doesn't sign anything, just sprinkles on some invisible nanobots.
Is this William Gibson we're talking about or Steve Gibson?
But when the project is finished, do we call it "crap" or "GNU/crap"
/. style the minute any discussion over it's relative merits was started on the forums the hordes would rush in with cries of 'First post', 'M$ $ux my ass' and 'IANAL and I'm about to prove it by talking bollocks for 3 pages' until 10 seconds later the server explodes in a rain of molten metal :)
The name's probably irrelevant, in true
Don't forget the part where 'Informative' kicks 'Interesting' in the balls after 'Troll' starts an argument over whether to license it under BSD or GPL.
I think the point here is that Windows makes so many things easy to do and until linux does the same it doesn't matter a damn how technically superior it is, John and Jane user want to click 3 buttons and have it all set up (or changed).
Prime example actually, the DNS config util in RH8.0. I can't use it, no matter what I do it just doesn't make sense. I tried it several times but eventually junked it and edited named.conf by hand. It was supposed to make it easier, it actually made it harder. That's the sort of issue we need to resolve before linux is desktop ready.
n.b. I know John/Jane user is probably never going to use DNS but that's beside the point, it's merely an example of one of the problems the OS community faces.
...I firmly believe we'll see the first release of MSlinux. No-one can deny they have some of the world's most talented programmers working for them, their main problem is simply the code base they're working from.
If the wind of change starts to blow 'due linux' then MS aren't going to sit quietly and die, they'll put together the biggest team ever applied to a linux project and release a distro that will blow RH/MDK/etc out of the water (assuming they survive till then of course). The geeks will still want debian/slackware/etc but MS will create a linux desktop as easy as XP/Win2k for the rest of the world.
Once they're in the OSS game they won't be able to trample all over standards in their usual haphazard fashion because their distro won't be compatible then.
Make no mistake, if linux starts to be where the money is then MS will go there.
There are reports of people in Nacogdoches (where most of the debris appears to have fallen) buying large bags at Walmart in order to scavenge for pieces of the wreckage in violation of federal law and ignoring personal safety concerns.
:(
Pieces of the shuttle are expected to appear on Ebay before too long, I wish I were making this up
get real files everyone wants
What, porn?
Thank you for that snippet, I feel nauseous now :(
Wonder if there's anyone out there sick enough to make KDE look like Win 3.x...
This is a trend that MUST be stopped! You don't see the consequences, I DO! One day Windows 3.0 will be retro enough to be 'cool' and some bastard will resurrect it!
:(
Stop it now before it's too late
Personally I'm not blaming Microsoft for the 'slammer'. They patched it in July so I'm blaming the morons that
1. Haven't bothered to keep their SQL servers up to date
and
2. Allow anyone from the internet to connect to that port anyway!
Auntie Gayle's Basic Firewalling Guide for fuckwits
1. Drop EVERYTHING!
2. Specifically open the ports you need.
3. If you do this the other way round (i.e. only drop known problem ports/protocols while leaving everything else open) please report for immediate recycling.
The one thing Microsoft are responsible is for making the sysadmin job seem so easy any moron can do it. This encourages companies to employ button pushers and we end up with things like the 'slammer' debacle.
Excellent suggestion.