The modules loaded are still in kernel space. What he's talking about is having a small basic kernel, with everything else running as a userland process.
You never implicity stated that you disliked it, although you could hardly call a comment like "why would you use something like bsd when you can find all the goodstuff in superior products without all the silly egos and nerd politics." friendly.
You disliking it was strongly implied, and then supported by you calling it a failure right now.
Of course, you believe that it is the `weak' license that made it a `failure', but you clearly do not understand the goals of project.
The Goal's of the BSD projects include making software that will be usable. Usable in any sense. If a commerical company incorperates 70% of OpenBSD into a project, it wouldn't change OpenBSD any. Since it doesn't change OpenBSD, you couldn't really consider it a failing point of the OS. Good code is now in wider circulation. This is one of the BSD goals. Now to call a project a failure because it is meeting a goal that you don't agree with, that is, I believe, a `nerd politic'.
I personally don't care if code gets contributed back. They aren't after World Domination. They just want something that you apparently do not understand: Universally better software. I use Microsoft software, and I appreciate every bit of BSD code that has been incorperated into it.
Anyway, I question on what grounds you actually deem it to be a failure. It is still developed, it still has a userbase. One that is, in fact, growing, despite the whining of all the trolls. I use it because I find it incredibly useful. Why do I use it instead of Linux? The question of the day for the trolls. Why would I use Linux instead of FreeBSD? You can answer that question for me if you want. I probably won't pay attention because I've looked at most of the Free Open Source OS's myself, did my research, and picked a winner. You banging on the table calling it a failure does not make it one.
He never said it challenged him. He said that it was a mess. One would obviously prefer the easier to manage solution when the end result is the same. That is his point.
I don't refute with counterpoints because I have no argument other than that your argument is weak.
BSD is not better than Linux, and Linux is not better than BSD. I personally am much more comfortable with a BSD system, your experience may vary. I don't care, and I do not think highly of someone who dislikes someone simply because of the OS that they choose to put their support behind.
BSD snobs disgust me.
Speed and stability aren't everything. For example: BSD could be 50% slower than Linux, and I could still get my work done in it faster. Don't agree? Don't believe me? That's your problem.
Get over it. What OS you use is irrelevant, it's whether or not you're accomplishing the task that you got on the computer to complete that matters.
I like how you use four key points, without defending them at all.
How is it more reliable, how is it easier to use, maintain, and how is the community better?
I mean, personally I don't give a shit which you use; I prefer FreeBSD over Linux any day, for any purpose. That's just me.
P.S. Several months == nothing. n00b@!$!$:P But seriously, you do seem a TAD biased towards Linux. But that's cool too, because your opinion isn't going to change shit for me in the end.
I live 20 minutes from Niagara Falls, Ontario. Somehow my city was one of the only cities that wasn't affected.
Oh, well, one computer rebooted as the power flicked a bit, but other than that nothing happened. It was fun being online while everyone was saying that my region had no power.
Okay, have fun in Windows then. We're not here to please you. Just because these people released their work for free on the net does not mean that they owe you any service. So please, get over it and return to Windows.
You completely missed my point.
My comment was DIRECTLY in response to someone saying that 'even if' a Linux default install (With GNOME/whatever) had more features than a Windows default install.
My comment was that, yes, for example, Linux with KDE does have more features than Windows. It's when you start adding on the 3rd party software that Windows can do more than it.
You can't argue that. KDE 3.2 comes with the works, media players, rippers, a pdf viewer, a brower, etc, etc. It has EVERYTHING a Windows XP default install has, plus more. A Windows XP default install is, as I said before, pretty weak on the feature side.
But you can, if you wish, paint me down as a Linux zealot. I don't even USE Linux, and I'm not going to say what I DO use (it isn't windows) because quite frankly it isn't any of your buisness and you're just going to attempt to somehow judge my opinion on it.
Now let's go over this again. My opinion is that a Linux desktop (read: RedHat, Mandrake) with has, on a default install, more 'features' (read: Is capable of doing more) than a Windows XP default install. Are you going to dispute that? Because you complete trailed off topic with something I wasn't even ARGUING about and then proceeded to launch insults at me.
Not appreciated, and it's also very immature.
It would have made the front page.
I have no doubt about that. Nobody tries to hide Linux vulnerbilities. Microsoft ones are just funny because MS is know to be insecure, and there are ACTUALLY people out there who deny (Against all the proof) that Windows is insecure.
The vast majority of people posting here don't even seem to be insulting Solaris. I think you just want to discredit people here with bullshit.
I buy a computer, I install Linux on it and give him local access to it.
How does this, in his eyes, make me the equivilent of some horrible dictator, and why does he feel like he has the devine right to exercise complete control over the machine?
Maybe what you said was an attempt to smear BSD users by claiming that they want to smear Linux users by getting people like you to become more sympathetic to the Linux side!
Seriously though, I find the BSD trolls to be quite amusing. Regardless of their association one can hardly dispute the fact that they have unmitigated social issues and I derive some kind of cold satisfaction from that.
Just because it's easier to do doesn't make it a good f*in idea.:P
I'm going to pay a server admin who is going to advise me to buy product a instead of product b because product a will make his job easier, even though both are inherently easy and simular. Product a is expensive, product b is free.
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You clearly know nothing about microkernels.
The modules loaded are still in kernel space. What he's talking about is having a small basic kernel, with everything else running as a userland process.
My UFS2 slices have never gone beyond 1% fragmentation, no matter how much I abuse them.
Maybe it just means nothing?
You never implicity stated that you disliked it, although you could hardly call a comment like "why would you use something like bsd when you can find all the goodstuff in superior products without all the silly egos and nerd politics." friendly.
You disliking it was strongly implied, and then supported by you calling it a failure right now.
Of course, you believe that it is the `weak' license that made it a `failure', but you clearly do not understand the goals of project.
The Goal's of the BSD projects include making software that will be usable. Usable in any sense. If a commerical company incorperates 70% of OpenBSD into a project, it wouldn't change OpenBSD any. Since it doesn't change OpenBSD, you couldn't really consider it a failing point of the OS. Good code is now in wider circulation. This is one of the BSD goals. Now to call a project a failure because it is meeting a goal that you don't agree with, that is, I believe, a `nerd politic'.
I personally don't care if code gets contributed back. They aren't after World Domination. They just want something that you apparently do not understand: Universally better software. I use Microsoft software, and I appreciate every bit of BSD code that has been incorperated into it.
Anyway, I question on what grounds you actually deem it to be a failure. It is still developed, it still has a userbase. One that is, in fact, growing, despite the whining of all the trolls. I use it because I find it incredibly useful. Why do I use it instead of Linux? The question of the day for the trolls. Why would I use Linux instead of FreeBSD? You can answer that question for me if you want. I probably won't pay attention because I've looked at most of the Free Open Source OS's myself, did my research, and picked a winner. You banging on the table calling it a failure does not make it one.
Isn't not liking a project because of the license it's under a `nerd politic'?
He never said it challenged him. He said that it was a mess. One would obviously prefer the easier to manage solution when the end result is the same. That is his point.
I don't refute with counterpoints because I have no argument other than that your argument is weak.
BSD is not better than Linux, and Linux is not better than BSD. I personally am much more comfortable with a BSD system, your experience may vary. I don't care, and I do not think highly of someone who dislikes someone simply because of the OS that they choose to put their support behind.
BSD snobs disgust me.
Speed and stability aren't everything. For example: BSD could be 50% slower than Linux, and I could still get my work done in it faster. Don't agree? Don't believe me? That's your problem.
Get over it. What OS you use is irrelevant, it's whether or not you're accomplishing the task that you got on the computer to complete that matters.
I like how you use four key points, without defending them at all.
:P
How is it more reliable, how is it easier to use, maintain, and how is the community better?
I mean, personally I don't give a shit which you use; I prefer FreeBSD over Linux any day, for any purpose. That's just me.
P.S. Several months == nothing. n00b@!$!$
But seriously, you do seem a TAD biased towards Linux. But that's cool too, because your opinion isn't going to change shit for me in the end.
I live 20 minutes from Niagara Falls, Ontario. Somehow my city was one of the only cities that wasn't affected.
Oh, well, one computer rebooted as the power flicked a bit, but other than that nothing happened. It was fun being online while everyone was saying that my region had no power.
*BSD is dead!#%!#%#!#%!
...and I'm a necrophiliac.
Bah! .xxx rocks!
I'm pretty sure that really clean stable code + a license to do whatever you want with it is really all the reason they need.
Okay, have fun in Windows then. We're not here to please you. Just because these people released their work for free on the net does not mean that they owe you any service. So please, get over it and return to Windows.
I'm going to patent this prior art thing you speak of, and then we'll see who does the invalidating!
Feel sorry for the guy that has to go down on her. That shit leaves nasty scars.
It is not so far fetched to believe that when telepathic technology comes out that in order to be 'user' friendly it will mimic existing interfaces.
In other words: Telepathic buttons, your patent is still good.
ReactOS could very easily become this in the future.
You completely missed my point.
My comment was DIRECTLY in response to someone saying that 'even if' a Linux default install (With GNOME/whatever) had more features than a Windows default install.
My comment was that, yes, for example, Linux with KDE does have more features than Windows. It's when you start adding on the 3rd party software that Windows can do more than it.
You can't argue that. KDE 3.2 comes with the works, media players, rippers, a pdf viewer, a brower, etc, etc. It has EVERYTHING a Windows XP default install has, plus more. A Windows XP default install is, as I said before, pretty weak on the feature side.
But you can, if you wish, paint me down as a Linux zealot. I don't even USE Linux, and I'm not going to say what I DO use (it isn't windows) because quite frankly it isn't any of your buisness and you're just going to attempt to somehow judge my opinion on it.
Now let's go over this again. My opinion is that a Linux desktop (read: RedHat, Mandrake) with has, on a default install, more 'features' (read: Is capable of doing more) than a Windows XP default install. Are you going to dispute that? Because you complete trailed off topic with something I wasn't even ARGUING about and then proceeded to launch insults at me.
Not appreciated, and it's also very immature.
Because *nix supports more platforms than OS X does. :P
Linux + XFree86 + KDE 3.2 = More feature rich than WindowsXP.
Seriously, check out your default Windows XP install sometime, there just ISN'T much there.
ln -sf /usr/bin/mv /usr/bin/throw /your/face
:)
throw stfu
It would have made the front page.
I have no doubt about that. Nobody tries to hide Linux vulnerbilities. Microsoft ones are just funny because MS is know to be insecure, and there are ACTUALLY people out there who deny (Against all the proof) that Windows is insecure.
The vast majority of people posting here don't even seem to be insulting Solaris. I think you just want to discredit people here with bullshit.
So let me get this straight....
I buy a computer, I install Linux on it and give him local access to it.
How does this, in his eyes, make me the equivilent of some horrible dictator, and why does he feel like he has the devine right to exercise complete control over the machine?
Maybe what you said was an attempt to smear BSD users by claiming that they want to smear Linux users by getting people like you to become more sympathetic to the Linux side!
Seriously though, I find the BSD trolls to be quite amusing. Regardless of their association one can hardly dispute the fact that they have unmitigated social issues and I derive some kind of cold satisfaction from that.
Just because it's easier to do doesn't make it a good f*in idea. :P
I'm going to pay a server admin who is going to advise me to buy product a instead of product b because product a will make his job easier, even though both are inherently easy and simular. Product a is expensive, product b is free.
Now, hmmmmm.