Too bad the facts don't meet your storyline. Wages are down, unemployment is up, no one is buying, no one is hiring. The economy, and the middle class, are in tough shape. The only mindset in need of a reality adjustment...is yours.
Ah, I see we've reached the part of the discussion where the wingnut realizes his tired old bullshit isn't flying anymore, and starts babbling incoherently.
She'll care when it's "Why does my computer keep running slow?"
Why would she do that? She should be able to run Firefox/Safari, iTunes, iPhoto, iChat, and Word at the same time without any problems. If she's got an older Mac without much memory, a simple upgrade will fix that problem. If she's running applications that need more memory (like opening big images in Photoshop), then she should be advanced enough to quit applications.
I'm sure you are. Just like it's suddenly in vogue for wingnuts to care about the Constitution again now that the Republicans have lost power.
A tax cheat will be running the Treasury Department
He paid his back taxes long before he was nominated. Yawn.
and a guy who played a questionable role in getting another tax cheat and fugitive pardoned
...who had to pay a $100 million fine and leave himself open to civil lawsuits as a condition of the pardon. Funny how that tidbit never get's mentioned.
Don't even talk about Hillary.
Don't be coy, we know you wingnuts are just chomping at the bit to once again spend millions investigating and reinvestigating a Clinton without any probable cause.
Over the last 8 years, nothing has given the media more joy than kicking Bush around.
I suppose you could see it that way, if you head was lodged firmly up your ass the entire time. The media did NOTHING but cover Bush's ass and nitpick Democrats the entire time he was in office. Hell, Obama just won a landslide election and the Dems have 59 Senate seats, and the press is asking if Obama will veto the stimulus bill if it doesn't have any Republican votes. Sphincter say what? You think any of them asked Bush that after either of his elections?
Or do you actually think that Clinton or Obama would get a complete pass from the press if they sat on their asses for 20 minutes while the nation was under attack? Please, take your revisionist wingnut bullshit to Redstate.
How about 4 constitutional amendments. As well as owing a whole lot more on the national debt in order to finance gigantic tax cuts for the rich and war of aggression.
I can: in the course of valid spying activities, some government agency might incidentally gather information on a citizen. For example, imagine that the NSA is tapping the phone of a known terrorist living in another country, and someone uses that phone to call an American citizen in the US.
Sorry, but that was already covered under existing FISA law. The NSA would have 72 hours to retroactively get a warrant, and the court refused something like 4 requests out of over 10,000, over the course of about 30 years.
No, the NSA wiretapping was about monitoring everyones communications.
And voting to remove the immunity clause from the FISA bill doesn't indicate anything about where he stands?
No, because that vote was a fig leaf set up by Reid for senators to make a show of opposing immunity while voting for the final bill - with immunity in it. Sort of like the Dems that voted for cloture on the Alito nomination and then voted against him in the full Senate - the cloture vote is the important one.
Obama voted for cloture on immunity, voted for the fig leaf, and then voted for the final bill with immunity in it. Obama supported immunity.
Traditionally and historically marriage has been mostly religious and cultural matter.
Ah, tradition. I look forward to having as many wives as I can support, and having to skip all that courtship BS and just arrange my marriages with the girl's parents. Do you know of any eligible 13 year olds in your area?
They are some cultures that have no concept of marriage. Are all these people in these cultures bigots because they don't support marriage at all?
And yet those people from other cultures are perfectly free to get married in any state in the Union. You're reinforcing my point, not yours.
Equal protection clause has nothing to do with it if two states cannot agree on a definition.
Whoosh. The point is that homosexual couples do not have the legal rights and protections (inheritance, make medical decisions in the event of incapacitation, etc) that heterosexual couples have open to them, through marriage.
I'm not the one calling someone a bigot just because they don't agree with me. You are.
It's a free country, and you are entitled to hold whatever opinion you want. Don't invite gays to your house. Your church doesn't have to marry them. But if you work to limit what gays are free to do in their own homes and churches, that makes you a bigot, no ifs ands or buts.
No, I'm not kidding. You must be kidding with a link that talks about "Chicago style politics" without any mention of Obama. So tell us again what famous family Obama came from, who he owes his political career to, or the dirty money he raised for other candidates.
It's the same machine that delivered the graveyard vote for JFK.
Well, if you use decades old articles of faith from Republicans, you'll no doubt have a post that's long on unsubstantiated bullshit and real short on facts.
Once you've finished with that appointment with the proctologist, maybe you can read up on the last 10 years and see why people are tired of Republican bullshit.
with actual factual information. Nobody said Clinton is a traitor other than the original poster. He was however impeached for perjury.
No, this is factual information: he didn't lie under the courts definition. And even if he did lie, it wasn't perjury as perjury has to be relevant to the case at hand. As the judge ruled that whatever happened between Clinton and Monica was irrelevant to whatever happened between Clinton and Jones, it was completely impossible for Clinton to commit perjury over Monica. He could have said he had never seen her a day in life, and while it would have been a lie, it would not have been perjury.
He was fined $90,000 for contempt of court. He did agree to give up his law license for five years. He did resign from the Supreme Court bar. He did pay Paula Jones $850,000.
All of which he could have challenged given the facts. But he wanted to put the issue to bed, because who wants to worry about more lawsuits when you can start making $200,000 a speech?
There's been a Democratic majority in Congress for the last two years and they haven't seen fit to impeach Bush.
Their cowardice and complicity will be nice footnotes to Bush biographies in the future.
So all the ranting about his lying, etc. is just BDS.
Bush Fuctard Syndrome: the ability to pretend that the manufactured Clinton scandals were Very Serious Concerns, yet Bush admitting to violating habaes corpus and four Constitutional amendments is nothing to worry about.
And what "machine" was behind any of Obama's runs for office? Unlike the 15 odd members of the Senate who are related to present or past members of the Senate, Obama really is a self-made man.
Yes, because last time we had a new president being inaugurated, that's exactly what people who had reservations about their new head of state did. Quietly keeping to themselves. No calling him an idiot or comparing him to a chimpanzee or disparaging the electoral process that led to his election or just outright claiming "he's not MY president".
Not everyone likes Obama, agrees with his politics, or buys his "I am the personification of hope itself" message.
No everyone needs to make shit up and put words in people's mouths that they did not come close to saying.
But you can take comfort that at least those not enamored with Obama will be more gracious and show more class about it than their counterparts from the last time around.
Yeah, just go ahead and let us know when you actually get started on that, mmkay?
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Too bad the facts don't meet your storyline. Wages are down, unemployment is up, no one is buying, no one is hiring. The economy, and the middle class, are in tough shape. The only mindset in need of a reality adjustment...is yours.
Ah, I see we've reached the part of the discussion where the wingnut realizes his tired old bullshit isn't flying anymore, and starts babbling incoherently.
She'll care when it's "Why does my computer keep running slow?"
Why would she do that? She should be able to run Firefox/Safari, iTunes, iPhoto, iChat, and Word at the same time without any problems. If she's got an older Mac without much memory, a simple upgrade will fix that problem. If she's running applications that need more memory (like opening big images in Photoshop), then she should be advanced enough to quit applications.
What a crybaby.
What an elitist jackass.
the regulation removed back with Mr. Clinton
...and with the Republicans who wrote the deregulation and the Republican Congress that passed it.
Then maybe you should also mention that Rush's definition of socialism doesn't have anything to do with reality.
Just look at the ethics situation now.
I'm sure you are. Just like it's suddenly in vogue for wingnuts to care about the Constitution again now that the Republicans have lost power.
A tax cheat will be running the Treasury Department
He paid his back taxes long before he was nominated. Yawn.
and a guy who played a questionable role in getting another tax cheat and fugitive pardoned
...who had to pay a $100 million fine and leave himself open to civil lawsuits as a condition of the pardon. Funny how that tidbit never get's mentioned.
Don't even talk about Hillary.
Don't be coy, we know you wingnuts are just chomping at the bit to once again spend millions investigating and reinvestigating a Clinton without any probable cause.
That is precisely the argument which was made for Governor Sarah Palin having / using a Yahoo account when it was hacked last year.
Uh, no. The argument was that Palin was breaking state law in using private email accounts for state business.
Don't worry, I'm sure he wont allow facts to get in the way of his storyline.
Over the last 8 years, nothing has given the media more joy than kicking Bush around.
I suppose you could see it that way, if you head was lodged firmly up your ass the entire time. The media did NOTHING but cover Bush's ass and nitpick Democrats the entire time he was in office. Hell, Obama just won a landslide election and the Dems have 59 Senate seats, and the press is asking if Obama will veto the stimulus bill if it doesn't have any Republican votes. Sphincter say what? You think any of them asked Bush that after either of his elections?
Or do you actually think that Clinton or Obama would get a complete pass from the press if they sat on their asses for 20 minutes while the nation was under attack? Please, take your revisionist wingnut bullshit to Redstate.
How about 4 constitutional amendments. As well as owing a whole lot more on the national debt in order to finance gigantic tax cuts for the rich and war of aggression.
I can: in the course of valid spying activities, some government agency might incidentally gather information on a citizen. For example, imagine that the NSA is tapping the phone of a known terrorist living in another country, and someone uses that phone to call an American citizen in the US.
Sorry, but that was already covered under existing FISA law. The NSA would have 72 hours to retroactively get a warrant, and the court refused something like 4 requests out of over 10,000, over the course of about 30 years.
No, the NSA wiretapping was about monitoring everyones communications.
And voting to remove the immunity clause from the FISA bill doesn't indicate anything about where he stands?
No, because that vote was a fig leaf set up by Reid for senators to make a show of opposing immunity while voting for the final bill - with immunity in it. Sort of like the Dems that voted for cloture on the Alito nomination and then voted against him in the full Senate - the cloture vote is the important one.
Obama voted for cloture on immunity, voted for the fig leaf, and then voted for the final bill with immunity in it. Obama supported immunity.
They could start by searching for "Regent University" on resumes.
You can't blame the wingnuts, really. They've been sooooo pent up for a Democrat to take office so they can start caring about the Constitution again.
But this is Slashdot, and we do love our torches and pitchforks.
Especially for the inbred wingnut population, who have been waiting for Obama to be sworn in before they start caring about the Constitution again.
Traditionally and historically marriage has been mostly religious and cultural matter.
Ah, tradition. I look forward to having as many wives as I can support, and having to skip all that courtship BS and just arrange my marriages with the girl's parents. Do you know of any eligible 13 year olds in your area?
They are some cultures that have no concept of marriage. Are all these people in these cultures bigots because they don't support marriage at all?
And yet those people from other cultures are perfectly free to get married in any state in the Union. You're reinforcing my point, not yours.
Equal protection clause has nothing to do with it if two states cannot agree on a definition.
Whoosh. The point is that homosexual couples do not have the legal rights and protections (inheritance, make medical decisions in the event of incapacitation, etc) that heterosexual couples have open to them, through marriage.
I'm not the one calling someone a bigot just because they don't agree with me. You are.
It's a free country, and you are entitled to hold whatever opinion you want. Don't invite gays to your house. Your church doesn't have to marry them. But if you work to limit what gays are free to do in their own homes and churches, that makes you a bigot, no ifs ands or buts.
Bush and Cheney are incompetent, warmongering fascists. Therefore, all Republicans are corrupt, warmonger fascists.
Meet the new conservative analogy,
as asinine as the last conservative analogy.
You're kidding, right?
No, I'm not kidding. You must be kidding with a link that talks about "Chicago style politics" without any mention of Obama. So tell us again what famous family Obama came from, who he owes his political career to, or the dirty money he raised for other candidates.
It's the same machine that delivered the graveyard vote for JFK.
Well, if you use decades old articles of faith from Republicans, you'll no doubt have a post that's long on unsubstantiated bullshit and real short on facts.
WTF? Where is all this hate coming from?
Once you've finished with that appointment with the proctologist, maybe you can read up on the last 10 years and see why people are tired of Republican bullshit.
with actual factual information. Nobody said Clinton is a traitor other than the original poster. He was however impeached for perjury.
No, this is factual information: he didn't lie under the courts definition. And even if he did lie, it wasn't perjury as perjury has to be relevant to the case at hand. As the judge ruled that whatever happened between Clinton and Monica was irrelevant to whatever happened between Clinton and Jones, it was completely impossible for Clinton to commit perjury over Monica. He could have said he had never seen her a day in life, and while it would have been a lie, it would not have been perjury.
He was fined $90,000 for contempt of court. He did agree to give up his law license for five years. He did resign from the Supreme Court bar. He did pay Paula Jones $850,000.
All of which he could have challenged given the facts. But he wanted to put the issue to bed, because who wants to worry about more lawsuits when you can start making $200,000 a speech?
There's been a Democratic majority in Congress for the last two years and they haven't seen fit to impeach Bush.
Their cowardice and complicity will be nice footnotes to Bush biographies in the future.
So all the ranting about his lying, etc. is just BDS.
Bush Fuctard Syndrome: the ability to pretend that the manufactured Clinton scandals were Very Serious Concerns, yet Bush admitting to violating habaes corpus and four Constitutional amendments is nothing to worry about.
And what "machine" was behind any of Obama's runs for office? Unlike the 15 odd members of the Senate who are related to present or past members of the Senate, Obama really is a self-made man.
Sure he inspires. Yes King inspired. Kennedy inspired. So did Mussolini and Jim Jones. They also filled people with hope.
I suppose you could see that as a good comparison, if you were a total moron.
Yes, because last time we had a new president being inaugurated, that's exactly what people who had reservations about their new head of state did. Quietly keeping to themselves. No calling him an idiot or comparing him to a chimpanzee or disparaging the electoral process that led to his election or just outright claiming "he's not MY president".
Don't let facts interfere with your storyline.
Not everyone likes Obama, agrees with his politics, or buys his "I am the personification of hope itself" message.
No everyone needs to make shit up and put words in people's mouths that they did not come close to saying.
But you can take comfort that at least those not enamored with Obama will be more gracious and show more class about it than their counterparts from the last time around.
Yeah, just go ahead and let us know when you actually get started on that, mmkay?
Yeah, maybe with a different justice, one who wont stumble over the words in the Oath to trip him up.