But the counterpoint is that if I read (or even just use, since by implication using it gives me the right to the source code which i may look at and cannot prove i did not) your GPL code, then decide I want to make a new program for sale that is similar to the GPL version, but rebuilt entirely from scratch in a different language. You can be a dick, claim that what i built is a derived work ( your legal rights are clear in this ) and sue me... forcing me into a costly effort to prove it is not. And I may lose because copyright law is pretty broad these days about what classifies as a derivative work. Don't argue that if i don't use the code its not derived. That's not how it works with lawyers. Re-implementing a program in a new language is typically considered derivative, its a short step to claim that building a new one from scratch was just an attempt to obfuscate my "blatant attempt to circumvent the law" or some such nonsense.
As a person that would like to get paid, but still wishes to support other developers. BSD licences all the way. I'd like a little guarantee with my freedom... the guarantee I'm not going to get sued later, somehow for using this. The GPL is too strong, like a living in a prison to guarantee my "safety".
Oh I've never seen it on a single player game. I was more commenting on people that raise the same objections you have regarding single player games, with a multi player game reliant on publisher hosted infrastructure as their example.
I know i would have. Even if it doesn't pay the bills, "Responsible for required to server one of the top 10 pages on the internet" is a great resume line item.
I'm glad your ok with it. Since sometimes it seems like there are people that aren't. Who climb up on their high horses and issue forth Stallmanesq diatribes on how people who decide to 'give in' and so on, are leading to the ruination of all.
Your response there reminds me that there are still sane people that understand that you have to make choices, weigh costs, limitations and requirements and then decide. I made an informed decision with Steam, I wish more others did, then there would be less cries about what they can do. On that note, its amusing to see people complain about Valve having the right to terminate their access to a multiplayer game via disabling their steam account, when the game they chose to use an example, has centrally controlled servers and the games creators or publishers have the right to cut everyone off and most do after a few years depending on popularity.
And as for 'perpetual', while your right to see it that way, using the word 'perpetual' in a contract or any 2 party binding legal agreement refers to the ongoing nature of access as opposed to an explicit length of time. And its legal relevance is predicated on the contract itself still being legally binding for both parties. So using steam as the example. I breach the TOS which I am required to abide by for the contact with Steam regarding my account and all its games to be valid and they may exercise their rights to terminate the contract. At which point they typically freeze or otherwise lock the account. They would be well within rights to delete everything and say "tough, you breached the contract". One of the reasons I decided to trust Valve more than I do someone like EA, is that they have a track record of not using the law (like in the above explanation) with all the subtlety of a Vogon constructor fleet;-)
Hi, I'm a steam customer. I haven't been conditioned to consider "phone home" as some perfectly acceptable situation.
I have decided to accept that in exchange for the services they render, re-downloads, convenient shopping, etc. I am willing to continue purchasing from them. Fully aware that it is less a matter of owning the games, as signing a perpetual lease/licence to use them subject to Valve's terms, which I have deemed and continue to deem to be acceptable based on the level of service they provide me.
And in addition to this, a significant and growing percentage of my games on Steam (over 15% to hazard an off hand minimum percentage) have come from Indy bundle purchases where entirely separate to Steam, I have a DRM free copy. I thoroughly encourage more Independent Devs to release like this. Steam (and others such as Desura) + DRM free through purchase confirmation. Convenience + Confidence you will always be able to play.
Oh its better than that. The opposition over here have outright said "we dont want to do it that way so we plan on cutting funding & selling whats been built so far". So its a toss up as to if we all get fiber because the works going to not even be half done by the next round of elections.
On top of that, you only have a kind of development that consists of stringing libraries together and drawing GUI.
Sometimes that's what pays the bills. Lots of people need a useful program be it GUI or CLI written around the precompiled library provided by vendor of 'ExpensiveSensor500'. Not saying its great, not saying it wouldnt be nicer if the vendor had more than a library. But this is reality. Vendors cut corners to pad profits & someone has to fill that corner in.
There's your problem. The majority of women drop out of the workforce for a period of several years in the middle of their careers, and in male autistic dominated developing environments have difficulty explaining the gap on their resume.
That's crap. Resume gaps are a problem in every field, and the objections to candidates with such gaps aren't made by the developers, they're made by HR screeners and pointy-haired bosses.
And everyone agrees both of those sources of objection need to die in a hole.
They are already doing this to many games. When they started re-releasing the GTA games on Mac OS X... these versions popped up in my Steam Games library. FREE.
As a Macbook Pro owner... i was pretty pleased with this. This is the kind of thing that makes me trust Valve and Steam. They dont have to give me a whole new version of a game ported to a different platform, but they did, keep doing so, and even tout it as a selling point. Buy from us & we wont screw you across Mac & PC.
While some federal government based co-ordination is required for national level standards... i don't think he is against this... he sounds like the kind of person that would say to the states/people "right, you want this to be a federal matter, please pass a constitutional amendment saying so..." and you would get the XXth amendment stating something to the effect of the federal government has the power to regulate radiofrequency spectrum across all states in the USA (for the FCC) or the federal government has the power to regulate all air traffic, civilian and military, inside USA airspace. (for the FAA and nationally coordinated ATC), and so on.
Quite sensible when you think about it... and a lot harder to just keep expanding on with bullshit 'interstate commerce' type nonsense. He seems to just want to make people really think about what the federal government does, and get back to the principle of 'enumerated powers', if the federal government is going to control something, he would probably be fine with whatever it is if it was a constitutional amendment passed by the majority of the states, thus expressing the will of the people.
While a valid plan, it would fail to be as effective as intended and require more than a simple "cat/dev/random | " type shell script.
Firstly: The kinds of systems they use would be easily able to distinguish between 'garbage' and 'lint' by session analysis. Lint is trivial stuff created by everyday session connections with a start and an end. A constant stream of random data even if encapsulated properly into packets would be about as hard to pick out as a continuous ping. You would either need a network of agents passing encrypted data back and forth with semi-regular human-like traffic patterns, to mimic the sorts of things the system is designed to sniff, this is also a cat and mouse game like SEO & search engine tuning, black hat seo games the algorithm at the same time the search engine works to counter them. While steganographic masking of actual data in a constant max throughput stream of encrypted/dev/random would be suspicious if used among a group of people it has limitations addressed by my second point.
Secondly: Any attempts at using end user bandwidth at max throughput will fall foul of the architecture of the majority of Client Access Network (CAN) topologies. These systems, be they Coax Cable & DOC-SIS, PSTN copper & ADSL/VHDSL, Fiber to the Node/Premises, HSDPA+ via carrier wireless or others not enumerated, they all typically have a contention ratio of less than 1:1. That is, the total backhaul/infrastructure data rate capacity available for X users is not equal to or greater than the sum of their individual permitted data rates. Examples abound for each CAN scenario but it is a common aspect for many reasons ranging from technical (equipment just isn't fast enough) to physical (no room on site for device X) and economic (yes we could buy that, but it would cost way too much).
Also... tiny but relevant point three... they are hijacking the infrastructure links that ISPs use to connect to each other, they have tapped the main flow and consequently whatever equipment they have is going to be fast enough to handle the whole of the link it monitors, and therefor you would likely be unable to saturate the monitor, merely cause them to either overflow their storage or force a higher discard % in follow on analysis.
Also Now my second point does not means things like DDOS don't work (DDOS typically doesn't saturate outgoing bandwidth from end user/agent links).
I'm simply saying that the matter requires more thought than "if everyone spammed them with 24mbps then they could never handle it."
TL;DR version - Nice idea, wish it were more practical for me to stick it to them.
Its a sad thing that these circumstances are still treated with less seriousness than the more commonly accepted "male stalking female" behavior.
I know a local lesbian who has had no end of trouble getting the police here to take her issues seriously, being stalked by a former lover (brief relationship of a couple of weeks before the psycho started showing).
Its troubling to think that they dont take seriously someone whom is currently suffering from having an unwanted person hanging round their home, watching their schedule, leaving 'gifts' (on one occasion narcotics), trying to force this person to be around them. I worry to think of how traumatizing it could be for a male to be stalked by another male and to have this kind of thing ignored (men typically being more aggressive in their stalking, statistically speaking)
Ignoring this behavior can shatter a persons life, victims can be seriously psychologically scarred by the experience if it draws out over as short a time as a few months if the stalker is particularly active. It can take decades for some people to rebuild after a stalker who may only spend less than a year in jail if that.
And now for the oblig. car analogy: It doesnt matter if your driving a Ferrari, a Land Rover or an old VW Beetle, if someone is tailgating you about a yard/meter from the end of your car and your doing 60 miles an hour, it dosent matter if they are in a Maserati, a Lexus, a Combi van or a fully loaded Semi trailer... they shouldnt be there, and if they dont back off, it can seriously fuck up your life.
And before anyone mentions the idea. The essay in question was on the original 1818 version of the story, not any kind of modernized rewrite. Contextualizing the transformation of the story and how it is now told in a more modern context was a separate essay.
As someone who has written at length for graded papers on literature as part of my education... Subtext & allegory are entirely in the eyes of the reader/critic.
I spent pages writing about Frankenstein and how its alludes to Freudian psychology and to the second (very specific here) Industrial Revolution and the dawn of mass production and the turning of mans efforts into small discrete steps & the fear of replacement by automation & mechanisms. I received wonderful marks despite the fact none of these bloody things even existed till decades after the story was written and Shelly herself dead.
For the very geeky gamers. A little bit of trivia. Half Life 2's Dr Kleiner keeps in a headcrab called Lamarr as an allusion to this very Hedy Lamarr of spread spectrum fame.
Good god your tax laws are more insane than i ever imagined. So glad i can do my entire years business taxes by myself in one afternoon based purely off my monthly account statements.
Unless they contract a medical condition this could benefit. In which case the storage of this tissue could be priceless. Its just a case of can you afford the prevention or do you consider it important enough to sacrifice to have it. I wouldn't pay for this if i didn't think i could support the cost of the child's education as well.
Its the same reasoning I'm applying to the idea of having some of my bone marrow stored... if i ever need it (and the list of things its useful for medically just seems to get bigger all the time)... the cost will have been worth it.
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I and many other BSD users... look forward to it.
But the counterpoint is that if I read (or even just use, since by implication using it gives me the right to the source code which i may look at and cannot prove i did not) your GPL code, then decide I want to make a new program for sale that is similar to the GPL version, but rebuilt entirely from scratch in a different language. You can be a dick, claim that what i built is a derived work ( your legal rights are clear in this ) and sue me... forcing me into a costly effort to prove it is not. And I may lose because copyright law is pretty broad these days about what classifies as a derivative work.
Don't argue that if i don't use the code its not derived. That's not how it works with lawyers. Re-implementing a program in a new language is typically considered derivative, its a short step to claim that building a new one from scratch was just an attempt to obfuscate my "blatant attempt to circumvent the law" or some such nonsense.
As a person that would like to get paid, but still wishes to support other developers. BSD licences all the way. I'd like a little guarantee with my freedom... the guarantee I'm not going to get sued later, somehow for using this. The GPL is too strong, like a living in a prison to guarantee my "safety".
Oh I've never seen it on a single player game. I was more commenting on people that raise the same objections you have regarding single player games, with a multi player game reliant on publisher hosted infrastructure as their example.
I know i would have.
Even if it doesn't pay the bills, "Responsible for required to server one of the top 10 pages on the internet" is a great resume line item.
I'm glad your ok with it. Since sometimes it seems like there are people that aren't.
Who climb up on their high horses and issue forth Stallmanesq diatribes on how people who decide to 'give in' and so on, are leading to the ruination of all.
Your response there reminds me that there are still sane people that understand that you have to make choices, weigh costs, limitations and requirements and then decide. I made an informed decision with Steam, I wish more others did, then there would be less cries about what they can do.
On that note, its amusing to see people complain about Valve having the right to terminate their access to a multiplayer game via disabling their steam account, when the game they chose to use an example, has centrally controlled servers and the games creators or publishers have the right to cut everyone off and most do after a few years depending on popularity.
And as for 'perpetual', while your right to see it that way, using the word 'perpetual' in a contract or any 2 party binding legal agreement refers to the ongoing nature of access as opposed to an explicit length of time. And its legal relevance is predicated on the contract itself still being legally binding for both parties. So using steam as the example. I breach the TOS which I am required to abide by for the contact with Steam regarding my account and all its games to be valid and they may exercise their rights to terminate the contract. At which point they typically freeze or otherwise lock the account. They would be well within rights to delete everything and say "tough, you breached the contract". One of the reasons I decided to trust Valve more than I do someone like EA, is that they have a track record of not using the law (like in the above explanation) with all the subtlety of a Vogon constructor fleet ;-)
Hi, I'm a steam customer.
I haven't been conditioned to consider "phone home" as some perfectly acceptable situation.
I have decided to accept that in exchange for the services they render, re-downloads, convenient shopping, etc. I am willing to continue purchasing from them. Fully aware that it is less a matter of owning the games, as signing a perpetual lease/licence to use them subject to Valve's terms, which I have deemed and continue to deem to be acceptable based on the level of service they provide me.
And in addition to this, a significant and growing percentage of my games on Steam (over 15% to hazard an off hand minimum percentage) have come from Indy bundle purchases where entirely separate to Steam, I have a DRM free copy.
I thoroughly encourage more Independent Devs to release like this. Steam (and others such as Desura) + DRM free through purchase confirmation.
Convenience + Confidence you will always be able to play.
Some of us try to be informed consumers.
Oh its better than that. The opposition over here have outright said "we dont want to do it that way so we plan on cutting funding & selling whats been built so far".
So its a toss up as to if we all get fiber because the works going to not even be half done by the next round of elections.
Love the idea, really do, shame about the thing in the way called congress.
On top of that, you only have a kind of development that consists of stringing libraries together and drawing GUI.
Sometimes that's what pays the bills. Lots of people need a useful program be it GUI or CLI written around the precompiled library provided by vendor of 'ExpensiveSensor500'. Not saying its great, not saying it wouldnt be nicer if the vendor had more than a library. But this is reality. Vendors cut corners to pad profits & someone has to fill that corner in.
That's crap. Resume gaps are a problem in every field, and the objections to candidates with such gaps aren't made by the developers, they're made by HR screeners and pointy-haired bosses.
And everyone agrees both of those sources of objection need to die in a hole.
They are already doing this to many games.
When they started re-releasing the GTA games on Mac OS X... these versions popped up in my Steam Games library. FREE.
As a Macbook Pro owner... i was pretty pleased with this.
This is the kind of thing that makes me trust Valve and Steam. They dont have to give me a whole new version of a game ported to a different platform, but they did, keep doing so, and even tout it as a selling point. Buy from us & we wont screw you across Mac & PC.
While some federal government based co-ordination is required for national level standards... i don't think he is against this... he sounds like the kind of person that would say to the states/people "right, you want this to be a federal matter, please pass a constitutional amendment saying so..." and you would get the XXth amendment stating something to the effect of the federal government has the power to regulate radiofrequency spectrum across all states in the USA (for the FCC) or the federal government has the power to regulate all air traffic, civilian and military, inside USA airspace. (for the FAA and nationally coordinated ATC), and so on.
Quite sensible when you think about it... and a lot harder to just keep expanding on with bullshit 'interstate commerce' type nonsense. He seems to just want to make people really think about what the federal government does, and get back to the principle of 'enumerated powers', if the federal government is going to control something, he would probably be fine with whatever it is if it was a constitutional amendment passed by the majority of the states, thus expressing the will of the people.
Perhaps one of the people fleeing the TechCrunch Titanic (now its being mismanaged by hufpo)
What about the Traditional and majorly accepted solution: "Women and children first."
While a valid plan, it would fail to be as effective as intended and require more than a simple "cat /dev/random | " type shell script.
Firstly: The kinds of systems they use would be easily able to distinguish between 'garbage' and 'lint' by session analysis. Lint is trivial stuff created by everyday session connections with a start and an end. A constant stream of random data even if encapsulated properly into packets would be about as hard to pick out as a continuous ping. You would either need a network of agents passing encrypted data back and forth with semi-regular human-like traffic patterns, to mimic the sorts of things the system is designed to sniff, this is also a cat and mouse game like SEO & search engine tuning, black hat seo games the algorithm at the same time the search engine works to counter them. While steganographic masking of actual data in a constant max throughput stream of encrypted /dev/random would be suspicious if used among a group of people it has limitations addressed by my second point.
Secondly: Any attempts at using end user bandwidth at max throughput will fall foul of the architecture of the majority of Client Access Network (CAN) topologies. These systems, be they Coax Cable & DOC-SIS, PSTN copper & ADSL/VHDSL, Fiber to the Node/Premises, HSDPA+ via carrier wireless or others not enumerated, they all typically have a contention ratio of less than 1:1. That is, the total backhaul/infrastructure data rate capacity available for X users is not equal to or greater than the sum of their individual permitted data rates. Examples abound for each CAN scenario but it is a common aspect for many reasons ranging from technical (equipment just isn't fast enough) to physical (no room on site for device X) and economic (yes we could buy that, but it would cost way too much).
Also... tiny but relevant point three... they are hijacking the infrastructure links that ISPs use to connect to each other, they have tapped the main flow and consequently whatever equipment they have is going to be fast enough to handle the whole of the link it monitors, and therefor you would likely be unable to saturate the monitor, merely cause them to either overflow their storage or force a higher discard % in follow on analysis.
Also Now my second point does not means things like DDOS don't work (DDOS typically doesn't saturate outgoing bandwidth from end user/agent links).
I'm simply saying that the matter requires more thought than "if everyone spammed them with 24mbps then they could never handle it."
TL;DR version - Nice idea, wish it were more practical for me to stick it to them.
But the point is you shouldnt need to use sick leave or go unpaid in order to 'work better'
Id like to congratulate you on using the full version of the quote with appropriate paraphrasing throughout.
It would however reflect the willingness of people to "pony up the dough" with regards to getting things done.
Its a sad thing that these circumstances are still treated with less seriousness than the more commonly accepted
"male stalking female" behavior.
I know a local lesbian who has had no end of trouble getting the police here to take her issues seriously, being stalked by a former lover (brief relationship of a couple of weeks before the psycho started showing).
Its troubling to think that they dont take seriously someone whom is currently suffering from having an unwanted person hanging round their home, watching their schedule, leaving 'gifts' (on one occasion narcotics), trying to force this person to be around them.
I worry to think of how traumatizing it could be for a male to be stalked by another male and to have this kind of thing ignored (men typically being more aggressive in their stalking, statistically speaking)
Ignoring this behavior can shatter a persons life, victims can be seriously psychologically scarred by the experience if it draws out over as short a time as a few months if the stalker is particularly active. It can take decades for some people to rebuild after a stalker who may only spend less than a year in jail if that.
And now for the oblig. car analogy:
It doesnt matter if your driving a Ferrari, a Land Rover or an old VW Beetle, if someone is tailgating you about a yard/meter from the end of your car and your doing 60 miles an hour, it dosent matter if they are in a Maserati, a Lexus, a Combi van or a fully loaded Semi trailer... they shouldnt be there, and if they dont back off, it can seriously fuck up your life.
And before anyone mentions the idea. The essay in question was on the original 1818 version of the story, not any kind of modernized rewrite.
Contextualizing the transformation of the story and how it is now told in a more modern context was a separate essay.
As someone who has written at length for graded papers on literature as part of my education... Subtext & allegory are entirely in the eyes of the reader/critic.
I spent pages writing about Frankenstein and how its alludes to Freudian psychology and to the second (very specific here) Industrial Revolution and the dawn of mass production and the turning of mans efforts into small discrete steps & the fear of replacement by automation & mechanisms. I received wonderful marks despite the fact none of these bloody things even existed till decades after the story was written and Shelly herself dead.
For the very geeky gamers. A little bit of trivia. Half Life 2's Dr Kleiner keeps in a headcrab called Lamarr as an allusion to this very Hedy Lamarr of spread spectrum fame.
Good god your tax laws are more insane than i ever imagined.
So glad i can do my entire years business taxes by myself in one afternoon based purely off my monthly account statements.
But the fact they are Degrees or Radians should be specified explicitly rather than implicitly to avoid the same kind of "assumption based failures".
Unless they contract a medical condition this could benefit. In which case the storage of this tissue could be priceless.
Its just a case of can you afford the prevention or do you consider it important enough to sacrifice to have it.
I wouldn't pay for this if i didn't think i could support the cost of the child's education as well.
Its the same reasoning I'm applying to the idea of having some of my bone marrow stored... if i ever need it (and the list of things its useful for medically just seems to get bigger all the time) ... the cost will have been worth it.