Interesting, according to http://www.opensecrets.org/, Hatch collected a whopping $34068 from the TV/Movie/Music industry, which works out to 9.3% of the total PAC contributions to him in '04. Maybe there's a connection, but that level of funding would likely only get you a lunch with most congresscritters.
Sure it's hard, but maybe not as hard as you'd think...
My '03 Infiniti FX45 has laser cruise control that works amazingly well, and even applies up to 25% of the maximum possible braking pressure automatically!
For '05, Infiniti is offering a "lane departure warning" system, as an option. I haven't seen one in operation yet (and honestly have concerns about its implementation), but it's supposed to warn you if you start to drift out of your lane...nothing automatic on this, but developing the right kind of sensors is a start.
Please go back and re-read my last sentence. I never said the word "majority", but "sizable portion" certainly insinuates a large percentage. Obviously, any number greater than one (the idiot who made the original statement) is "way the hell more than there should be." But we don't need Chicken Little comments...and shouldn't expect them from geeks who should pride themselves on their accuracy. I haven't heard Rush's commentary, but I'd be surprised if even he would say those words...got linkage?
great grandparent: I'm glad President Bush has set upon this crusade at taking out our foes one by one, and remaking it in our image. Their dictators fall, and their citizens live in freedom, meanwhile we gain a foothold in another part of the world.
grandparent: as a foreigner, I am not entirely sure that this guy is trolling.
parent: Sadly, he's probably not. A sizable portion of the country say such things in all seriousness.
DING...DING...DING...BULLSHIT! I defy you to show any evidence of any "sizable portion of the country" that says such crap. The great grandparents statement is rubish, but that doesn't mean that there's some kind of immoral majority spouting off the same BS, and it doesn't help anyones cause to for you to start some kind of conspiracy theory. Sure there are plenty of nutcases, but on a percentage basis, the numbers that would support such a comment have gotta be tiny.
is a natural outgrowth of the Moralist agenda...Simply put, whenever you find someone telling you that you must...RUN_ from that person
Sorry for taking your words out of context, and you made many valid points. However, I have to cringe whenever I read, or hear, the word "agenda". It sounds as if there's some big secret conspiracy. If you really believe that there is, then you need to put on the tin-foil hat, cuz no group of more than a few people can keep their mouths shut for long.
Sadly, if your product is popular or necessary, you don't need to build customer relationships. Ask your friendly power, phone. cable, or health care provider.
You might be right, but the examples you give are all wrong. Those services (not products) are considered basic requirements by most people...not something that is optional, and frequently are monopolized. That is the source of the problem...when you've got a monopoly, you don't need to build relationships. Just keep the competition at bay, and your service/product can be as crappy as you please.
The class relations are alive and well, it's just that statements like the above prove that the class war has been won - by the bosses. Only the working class is convinced there is no working class. Hint: management will never think that "no part of the company is less valuable than another." They spend most of their time attending seminars and classes to reinforce their worth and importance. Where have you been?
You need to read or travel more. If you think class is dead, you have never left the US or your first world comfort, or you have never worked, or you are just talking shit.
Unless you work for an airline, I doubt that you've travelled in, or outside of the U.S. more than I have (48 states & 32 countries so far). I've been around the poor in Jakarta, and the rich in Gstaad. I'm not management (sit in a cube farm), but I'm still able to live in a neighborhood where a home recently sold for over $1 million. And if you think I grew up with a silver spoon, you're wrong...try downtown Detroit (Eminem had it easy out around 8-mile). I've been to my bosses home, and his bosses.
Somewhere this class war that you speak of just doesn't seem to be hitting my radar screen. Frequently the problem I've seen with people who have this kind of attitude is that nobody wants them around, because they're downers. If you'd try showing a little class, you'd be much more likely to be treated with some.
Great.. Just tell me why their is such a big price difference in TVs between the US & and the UK !
Could it be due to the different formats used? I know that PAL has more lines of resolution than NTSC , so you may be paying more for the circuitry. Also, I'm not sure about UK, but I know that in Germany the Bundespost taxed the TVs...maybe a difference in the level of taxation?
Lockheed can deploy a complete new system to every airport for the amount of money that is being dumped into the old TRACONs and towers for MX.
Yeah, I'm sure that Lockheed would deliver one just like they did for that Mars Orbiter...try getting your miles & kilometers straight next time. Hey, you pick on my Patriot, I pick on your crap.
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They don't hire as many low-income people as highly-competitive, socially-focussed industries, and they've got a proven track record of padding their bills big-time. The whole military-industrial complex is overhead for a society - the main focus of that industry is _not_ to improve a society's health. It might be _necessary_ overhead to ensure a society's survival, but if it gets bigger than you need to protect your society, then it is sucking essential resources which could be better applied to a society's health & growth.
I'll agree with the hiring part, and I'd love to see the improved infrastructure you spoke of, but as a 22 yr vet., defense contracting, cubicle sitting engineer, I'll disagree about the "proven track record". Sure there are abuses (as with every industry, including the "socially-focussed" ones), but bill padding doesn't really happen...nobody wants to go to jail. Like any good business, we look for ways to maximize profit, win new contracts, etc. I'd also like to point out to you that without us socially-unfocussed defense contractors, you'd likely be unable to have made your post in the first place, but then you probably weren't around for the cold-war. I can give you plenty of examples of abuses in your "socially-focussed" areas...
Why do I need to donate supplies for my childs classroom (they never get enough), while the three(!) secretarys in the office sit at hugh solid oak desks (have you checked the price on one of those lately?)?
How do you suppose that a married couple of county patrol car cops (they live not far from me), were able to afford a $950k home?...ok, maybe they had rich parents, but I've seen a trend of this in northern VA.
Could it be that the local bureaucracies are just as bad/worse/more corrupt than the federal?
Trouble is, just about every single poor and middle class bastard wants to join the oppressors. And every time you add an oppressor, you've got to add some oppressed. This is just the way human economy works.
As an upper-middle class bastard, I'll assume that you're not talking about me. So you're saying that I couldn't have raised myself to this level (I started out poor), without doing so on the backs of people that I've oppressed? Balderdash!
Oh, and give me Socialism over capitalism any day.
Assuming that you don't already live in a socialist nation, there are several waiting for you. Please feel free to join them, and let us capitalist pigs simmer in our own muck.
Geeks of Slashdot, what tricks do you guys have to defend yours and your loved ones homes against crimes like this?
If my wife didn't have a cat (she's a loner), I'd add a big dog or two to this list...
Live in a low crime area Know the neighbors ADT Alarm system Phones available in nearly every room (Panasonic 8 phone system) Exterior lights with motion sensors 2nd degree black belt 9mm Sig Sauer (and know how to use it) 12 gauge pump (ditto) Several well placed pepper spray canisters
Despite some of the more lethal items above, the correct answer is always to avoid the confrontation, or attempt escape. I'd never use lethal force unless my life or a family members were in jeopardy.
If the streets are too narrow, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
I suppose the multiple rapes of young girls in Okinawa was their fault, too.
Ok, we're getting off-topic here, but this deserves an answer...If you know anything at all about that event, you'd recall that speed had nothing to do with it. When driving in a convoy, you don't necessarily get to see very far ahead of your vehicle. Add that to the fact that the driver doesn't actually see...from his inside position (someone up top directs him). Add that to the fact that kids dart out from buildings that are right on the street front without ever looking (I've had it happen). Add that to the fact that a sixty ton vehicle can't stop on a dime.
I'm in no way saying that the kids were at fault, only that these kind of things do happen, and it's very sad for everyone involved, but that there's little that can be done to avert these kind of accidents unless parents can keep their kids from playing in the streets.
The rapes of girls in Okinawa have absolutely nothing to do with either of the events that I mentioned. So, what exactly is your point?
wondering why this isn't all over the news? Where are the pictures, reports, I mean if there is a chance this was nuclear in origin than it is A BIG DEAL. I certainly want to know what the hell is going on over there.
Because you're talking about a country where people don't get to wander around unescorted...where reporters, and other visiters ONLY go where they're allowed to. It's not like there's a CNN crew just up the road with a satellite truck.
I know nothing of South Korea, their politics, whatever, but why would you choose to rebuild a city that would be targetted by thousands of artillery pieces? Couldn't they have, I don't know, maybe moved a little ways back from the front lines?
The South Korean people riot and protest our presence there, even after we lost thousands of men securing their right to do so. I say we pull our troops out, deal with them with American interests at the fore, and let South Korea defend itself.
Obviously you don't...I lived there for several years. You don't pick up and move a major city that's existed for decades. The protests you've seen on TV aren't much more than fodder for the news media. The older generation Koreans, who remember, tend to support the U.S. presence. But you do get ugly situations, such as the children who were accidentally killed by an army vehicle (kids do play in the street there, and the roads are frequently way too narrow), and folks don't get the facts before passing judgement...kinda just like suggesting that the U.S. should pull out...DOH!
Maybe Diebold should cowboy the fuck up and accept its responsibility as an aid to the democratic process of the United States of America instead of diddling about as an aid to the Republican Party.
Yes they should! But WTF is insightful about the parent's comment? Could it be that some of our moderators find that party bashing is insightful instead of flamebait? Why do you assume that the majority of Republicans aren't against the crap that Diebold was pulling?...everyone I know wants a reciept!
Perhaps the more disturbing issue is will this case define the internet's legal jurisdiction to be that of the United States thus ignoring the world wide scope of the internet's audience?
Not really; all that was spin by NZ Herald. You still can't have, for instance, FBI agents with American warrants knocking down Australian homes.
I seem to recall that we did that with Manuel Noriega, and he's currently spending 30 yrs. in a Miami jail cell.
As a private pilot, I don't think this pig will fly. Yes, planes could be made that would allow nearly anyone to fly, but then there are all kinds of additional complications. You have to teach people about controlled airspace, emergency procedures, and where exactly does the TSA inspect the baggage?
Someone above stated that flying vehicles wouldn't be any more of a problem then ground traffic. I'd have to disagree. Light aircraft have a small radar signiture, and can slip by relatively easily. You might recall the German kid who flew a small plane right into Red Square in Moscow, or how the private pilot crashed his plane into the front of the White House. Yes, transponders are supposed to help, but if the pilot turns it off, he's unlikely to be seen. And, even when it's on, I've been told by ATC that they couldn't see me because I was at 1800 ft. ASL...too low for them. Now pack that thing with 500lbs of C4, and tell me that it's not a risk!
Now, try multiplying the number of planes in the sky by an order of magnitude, and tell me how we're not going to have a bunch of mid-air collisions too?
That'll be the USA then. But seriously, France does have freedom of speech - just different to yours. You aren't allowed to criticise your President in front of him. The French aren't allowed to promote Nazism. Why is it so hard for you Americans to understand this?
Your shrill anti-American comment, and incorrect interpretation of what can be said about the President, should help you understand why the majority of Americans think that the French are rude.
We all need to stop lumping the entire population of a country into single buckets...the French didn't all surrender, and Americans aren't all gun toting morons.
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Maybe I was looking at the wrong section before. This one (http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/indus.asp? CID=N00009869&cycle=2004 shows the industry as ranking 7th in his list of contributers with $174,928 out of a total $5,245,557, which works out to 3.3%
Interesting, according to http://www.opensecrets.org/, Hatch collected a whopping $34068 from the TV/Movie/Music industry, which works out to 9.3% of the total PAC contributions to him in '04. Maybe there's a connection, but that level of funding would likely only get you a lunch with most congresscritters.
It's really hard, actually.
Sure it's hard, but maybe not as hard as you'd think...
My '03 Infiniti FX45 has laser cruise control that works amazingly well, and even applies up to 25% of the maximum possible braking pressure automatically!
For '05, Infiniti is offering a "lane departure warning" system, as an option. I haven't seen one in operation yet (and honestly have concerns about its implementation), but it's supposed to warn you if you start to drift out of your lane...nothing automatic on this, but developing the right kind of sensors is a start.
There's already been a car with a mind of it's own. Any of you old enough to remember?...http://www.tvparty.com/recmothercar.ht ml
Please go back and re-read my last sentence. I never said the word "majority", but "sizable portion" certainly insinuates a large percentage. Obviously, any number greater than one (the idiot who made the original statement) is "way the hell more than there should be." But we don't need Chicken Little comments...and shouldn't expect them from geeks who should pride themselves on their accuracy. I haven't heard Rush's commentary, but I'd be surprised if even he would say those words...got linkage?
great grandparent: I'm glad President Bush has set upon this crusade at taking out our foes one by one, and remaking it in our image. Their dictators fall, and their citizens live in freedom, meanwhile we gain a foothold in another part of the world.
grandparent: as a foreigner, I am not entirely sure that this guy is trolling.
parent: Sadly, he's probably not. A sizable portion of the country say such things in all seriousness.
DING...DING...DING...BULLSHIT! I defy you to show any evidence of any "sizable portion of the country" that says such crap. The great grandparents statement is rubish, but that doesn't mean that there's some kind of immoral majority spouting off the same BS, and it doesn't help anyones cause to for you to start some kind of conspiracy theory. Sure there are plenty of nutcases, but on a percentage basis, the numbers that would support such a comment have gotta be tiny.
is a natural outgrowth of the Moralist agenda...Simply put, whenever you find someone telling you that you must...RUN_ from that person
Sorry for taking your words out of context, and you made many valid points. However, I have to cringe whenever I read, or hear, the word "agenda". It sounds as if there's some big secret conspiracy. If you really believe that there is, then you need to put on the tin-foil hat, cuz no group of more than a few people can keep their mouths shut for long.
soon I will be releasing my email service which will allow u to store 1 million bytes!!
Can't imagine why anyone would need more than 640k!
Sadly, if your product is popular or necessary, you don't need to build customer relationships. Ask your friendly power, phone. cable, or health care provider.
You might be right, but the examples you give are all wrong. Those services (not products) are considered basic requirements by most people...not something that is optional, and frequently are monopolized. That is the source of the problem...when you've got a monopoly, you don't need to build relationships. Just keep the competition at bay, and your service/product can be as crappy as you please.
The class relations are alive and well, it's just that statements like the above prove that the class war has been won - by the bosses. Only the working class is convinced there is no working class. Hint: management will never think that "no part of the company is less valuable than another." They spend most of their time attending seminars and classes to reinforce their worth and importance. Where have you been?
You need to read or travel more. If you think class is dead, you have never left the US or your first world comfort, or you have never worked, or you are just talking shit.
Unless you work for an airline, I doubt that you've travelled in, or outside of the U.S. more than I have (48 states & 32 countries so far). I've been around the poor in Jakarta, and the rich in Gstaad. I'm not management (sit in a cube farm), but I'm still able to live in a neighborhood where a home recently sold for over $1 million. And if you think I grew up with a silver spoon, you're wrong...try downtown Detroit (Eminem had it easy out around 8-mile). I've been to my bosses home, and his bosses.
Somewhere this class war that you speak of just doesn't seem to be hitting my radar screen. Frequently the problem I've seen with people who have this kind of attitude is that nobody wants them around, because they're downers. If you'd try showing a little class, you'd be much more likely to be treated with some.
Great .. Just tell me why their is such a big price difference in TVs between the US & and the UK !
Could it be due to the different formats used? I know that PAL has more lines of resolution than NTSC , so you may be paying more for the circuitry. Also, I'm not sure about UK, but I know that in Germany the Bundespost taxed the TVs...maybe a difference in the level of taxation?
Lockheed can deploy a complete new system to every airport for the amount of money that is being dumped into the old TRACONs and towers for MX.
Yeah, I'm sure that Lockheed would deliver one just like they did for that Mars Orbiter...try getting your miles & kilometers straight next time. Hey, you pick on my Patriot, I pick on your crap.
... http://www.cia.gov/
They don't hire as many low-income people as highly-competitive, socially-focussed industries, and they've got a proven track record of padding their bills big-time. The whole military-industrial complex is overhead for a society - the main focus of that industry is _not_ to improve a society's health. It might be _necessary_ overhead to ensure a society's survival, but if it gets bigger than you need to protect your society, then it is sucking essential resources which could be better applied to a society's health & growth.
I'll agree with the hiring part, and I'd love to see the improved infrastructure you spoke of, but as a 22 yr vet., defense contracting, cubicle sitting engineer, I'll disagree about the "proven track record". Sure there are abuses (as with every industry, including the "socially-focussed" ones), but bill padding doesn't really happen...nobody wants to go to jail. Like any good business, we look for ways to maximize profit, win new contracts, etc. I'd also like to point out to you that without us socially-unfocussed defense contractors, you'd likely be unable to have made your post in the first place, but then you probably weren't around for the cold-war. I can give you plenty of examples of abuses in your "socially-focussed" areas...
Why do I need to donate supplies for my childs classroom (they never get enough), while the three(!) secretarys in the office sit at hugh solid oak desks (have you checked the price on one of those lately?)?
How do you suppose that a married couple of county patrol car cops (they live not far from me), were able to afford a $950k home?...ok, maybe they had rich parents, but I've seen a trend of this in northern VA.
Could it be that the local bureaucracies are just as bad/worse/more corrupt than the federal?
Trouble is, just about every single poor and middle class bastard wants to join the oppressors. And every time you add an oppressor, you've got to add some oppressed. This is just the way human economy works.
As an upper-middle class bastard, I'll assume that you're not talking about me. So you're saying that I couldn't have raised myself to this level (I started out poor), without doing so on the backs of people that I've oppressed? Balderdash!
Oh, and give me Socialism over capitalism any day.
Assuming that you don't already live in a socialist nation, there are several waiting for you. Please feel free to join them, and let us capitalist pigs simmer in our own muck.
Maybe Canada will have to occupy the US soon to liberate it. =P
As long as you're bringin' the beer, come on down! Now, take off, ya hoser!
Geeks of Slashdot, what tricks do you guys have to defend yours and your loved ones homes against crimes like this?
If my wife didn't have a cat (she's a loner), I'd add a big dog or two to this list...
Live in a low crime area
Know the neighbors
ADT Alarm system
Phones available in nearly every room (Panasonic 8 phone system)
Exterior lights with motion sensors
2nd degree black belt
9mm Sig Sauer (and know how to use it)
12 gauge pump (ditto)
Several well placed pepper spray canisters
Despite some of the more lethal items above, the correct answer is always to avoid the confrontation, or attempt escape. I'd never use lethal force unless my life or a family members were in jeopardy.
So you've got sixty-ton vehicles driven down narrow streets by people who can't see where they're going, and you still say it's the kids' fault?
No, I never did say that...you're either a troll or unable to read what's in front of you.
If the streets are too narrow, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
I suppose the multiple rapes of young girls in Okinawa was their fault, too.
Ok, we're getting off-topic here, but this deserves an answer...If you know anything at all about that event, you'd recall that speed had nothing to do with it. When driving in a convoy, you don't necessarily get to see very far ahead of your vehicle. Add that to the fact that the driver doesn't actually see...from his inside position (someone up top directs him). Add that to the fact that kids dart out from buildings that are right on the street front without ever looking (I've had it happen). Add that to the fact that a sixty ton vehicle can't stop on a dime.
I'm in no way saying that the kids were at fault, only that these kind of things do happen, and it's very sad for everyone involved, but that there's little that can be done to avert these kind of accidents unless parents can keep their kids from playing in the streets.
The rapes of girls in Okinawa have absolutely nothing to do with either of the events that I mentioned. So, what exactly is your point?
wondering why this isn't all over the news? Where are the pictures, reports, I mean if there is a chance this was nuclear in origin than it is A BIG DEAL. I certainly want to know what the hell is going on over there.
Because you're talking about a country where people don't get to wander around unescorted...where reporters, and other visiters ONLY go where they're allowed to. It's not like there's a CNN crew just up the road with a satellite truck.
I know nothing of South Korea, their politics, whatever, but why would you choose to rebuild a city that would be targetted by thousands of artillery pieces? Couldn't they have, I don't know, maybe moved a little ways back from the front lines?
The South Korean people riot and protest our presence there, even after we lost thousands of men securing their right to do so. I say we pull our troops out, deal with them with American interests at the fore, and let South Korea defend itself.
Obviously you don't...I lived there for several years. You don't pick up and move a major city that's existed for decades. The protests you've seen on TV aren't much more than fodder for the news media. The older generation Koreans, who remember, tend to support the U.S. presence. But you do get ugly situations, such as the children who were accidentally killed by an army vehicle (kids do play in the street there, and the roads are frequently way too narrow), and folks don't get the facts before passing judgement...kinda just like suggesting that the U.S. should pull out...DOH!
Maybe Diebold should cowboy the fuck up and accept its responsibility as an aid to the democratic process of the United States of America instead of diddling about as an aid to the Republican Party.
Yes they should! But WTF is insightful about the parent's comment? Could it be that some of our moderators find that party bashing is insightful instead of flamebait? Why do you assume that the majority of Republicans aren't against the crap that Diebold was pulling?...everyone I know wants a reciept!
Perhaps the more disturbing issue is will this case define the internet's legal jurisdiction to be that of the United States thus ignoring the world wide scope of the internet's audience?
Not really; all that was spin by NZ Herald. You still can't have, for instance, FBI agents with American warrants knocking down Australian homes.
I seem to recall that we did that with Manuel Noriega, and he's currently spending 30 yrs. in a Miami jail cell.
As a private pilot, I don't think this pig will fly. Yes, planes could be made that would allow nearly anyone to fly, but then there are all kinds of additional complications. You have to teach people about controlled airspace, emergency procedures, and where exactly does the TSA inspect the baggage?
Someone above stated that flying vehicles wouldn't be any more of a problem then ground traffic. I'd have to disagree. Light aircraft have a small radar signiture, and can slip by relatively easily. You might recall the German kid who flew a small plane right into Red Square in Moscow, or how the private pilot crashed his plane into the front of the White House. Yes, transponders are supposed to help, but if the pilot turns it off, he's unlikely to be seen. And, even when it's on, I've been told by ATC that they couldn't see me because I was at 1800 ft. ASL...too low for them. Now pack that thing with 500lbs of C4, and tell me that it's not a risk!
Now, try multiplying the number of planes in the sky by an order of magnitude, and tell me how we're not going to have a bunch of mid-air collisions too?
That'll be the USA then. But seriously, France does have freedom of speech - just different to yours. You aren't allowed to criticise your President in front of him. The French aren't allowed to promote Nazism. Why is it so hard for you Americans to understand this?
Your shrill anti-American comment, and incorrect interpretation of what can be said about the President, should help you understand why the majority of Americans think that the French are rude.
We all need to stop lumping the entire population of a country into single buckets...the French didn't all surrender, and Americans aren't all gun toting morons.