Please enlighten me as to how Win2k failing to work with a non-Microsoft-approved partition table (but still completely legit, I'm sure) is Linux's fault.
That wasn't what the parent was talking about. It was referring to the practice of Microsoft taking money for every PC sold without Windows. Supposedly, that practice no longer goes on. I'd not be surprised if it did though.
Since they sell all their machines with their operating systems already installed... other than trying to retroactively install OS X on old hardware (that it probably wouldn't run on) what would be the point?
Err, my wife's 1.5 year old iMac, which shipped with MacOS 9.1, is perfectly capable of running MacOS X 10.2, and I would have to pay to get a copy of it.
You think you are being funny, but if you haven't agreed to the GPL you don't have the right to use the code.
No, you just don't have the right to distribute it.
That's the difference between licenses which give you additional rights (ie the GPL) and those which restrict them (ie Microsoft's)
Yeah, sure. The only licenses that do that are the modified (i.e. no ad clause) BSD and MIT licenses, and any equivalents. The GPL does indeed restrict your rights, such asthe right to distribute derivative works licensed any other way.
LYNX and Links are absolutely GREAT, but they should have the ability to display images and they should respond to mouseclicks. If I click on a link using my console mouse, Lynx and Links do nothing.
And I say that if you like Linux, you have not read the GPL, or are at last idealistically confused about what it really means for software developers. But I digress...
... If you've got binaries out, you have to give up the source.
Do you have the binaries? No? Then they don't have to give you squat.
I can take something GPL'd, modify it, and sell the compiled result for $1,000,000. I only have to give the source for my mods to the people who bought the binaries from me. They, of course, are free to redistribute once they've got it.
Noble sentiment, but Mr. Cerf is misguided if
he thinks "the Internet for everyone" is going to
be accomplished through unquestioning support of
the ICANN cabal and the establishment of universal
laws to "protect" intellectual property. Both of
these seem to be to be a way to destroy, rather
than build, the Internet.
Now, if we could replace ICANN with something
a good bit more democratic, and put in some
globally recognized laws to protect us from IP law's reach, then maybe we'll get somewhere.
Whew. I guess I can delay moving to Canada by a few months, at least. But now's not the time to become complacent.
Now is the time to start writing your Senators and Representatives and tell them it's time to codify precisely what the copyright bargain means as copyright is applied to today's media. Make sure the new copyright laws define fair use as well as protect consumers' rights to format-shifting. Alert them to the problem of the stagnant public domain due to the constant extension by Congressional act of copyright terms.
I, for one, intend to draw heavily on some of Lawrence Lessig's ideas. Let's move the written word and recordings to the exponential renewal system -- where if you want to hold it 100 years, you can , but the renewal fee grows exponentially every 5 years. Software distributed without source code should be subject to holding source code in escrow and subject to a short term -- say, 10 years -- at which point the source code, along with the software it produces, should become public domain.
The best defense against more CBDTPA-style legislation is a good offense.
I'll be happy to condemn. Or maybe some of the music-sharing crowd would like it if I started redistributing GPL code on my own terms, screaming (erroneously) "fair use"?
What gets me is that it seems we'll be needing a new round of DVD players just to play the damned things. Why no backwards compatibility? It seems to me nobody decided to create a "next-generation CD" that was completely unplayable on any current CD player.
Well, with 27GB, I don't see anyone needing MPEG-4, really... besides, it seems to me there are as many disparate ways to do MPEG-4 and cousins as there are ways to record a DVD-size disc.
I guess I'm a little confused. I thought the copy-protection schemes only introduced noise when you tried to convert an audio track to a file (i.e. WAV, MP3). AFAIK, the AHRA doesn't cover MP3 encoders or ripping software. Doesn't it cover CD-Rs, and if so, isn't that a non-issue wrt copy-protection schemes, since they don't disallow making of CD-R copies?
Again, forgive my ignorance if I'm clueless here. I'm just trying to understand what Boucher is all about with this particular move.
This is, I think, one of the most regrettable mistakes that lawmakers make when they are considering "direct marketing". I don't get as many people calling to want to sell me something as I do people wanting me to donate something, often to a cause I would never dream of supporting. I'm guessing they use the same telemarketing firms and data.
Please, Mr. Lawmaker, tell me why the hell "non-profit" marketing is intrinsically better than "for-profit" marketing?
What he said about the GPL was equally silly "We wouldn't even be allowed to look at the code".
It made perfect sense to me. If your product's license is not GPL-compatible (and that's not exactly difficult to achieve), you should stay away from looking at GPL code for ideas just as much as, for example, Kaffe developers must stay away from Sun's Java code. Otherwise, you open yourself up for legal action.
Err, the last four digits are the part that is most likely to identify your account. The first six digits, IIRC, identify the card company and are pretty damn near public knowledge.
Come again? The defective brakes don't require the consumer to be stupid to cause injury or death. The account number on receipt requires the consumer to be stupid, and certainly wouldn't cause injury or death.
The interface as such, yes (as far as I've read). However, constructing your own packets is not exactly rocket science in any past consumer OS, nor is it blocked by any sort of security.
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Please enlighten me as to how Win2k failing to work with a non-Microsoft-approved partition table (but still completely legit, I'm sure) is Linux's fault.
That wasn't what the parent was talking about. It was referring to the practice of Microsoft taking money for every PC sold without Windows. Supposedly, that practice no longer goes on. I'd not be surprised if it did though.
Err, my wife's 1.5 year old iMac, which shipped with MacOS 9.1, is perfectly capable of running MacOS X 10.2, and I would have to pay to get a copy of it.
No, you just don't have the right to distribute it.
Yeah, sure. The only licenses that do that are the modified (i.e. no ad clause) BSD and MIT licenses, and any equivalents. The GPL does indeed restrict your rights, such asthe right to distribute derivative works licensed any other way.
Anyone else curious why this is the first Mozilla release I've seen in awhile that didn't have a source tarball in the release directory somewhere?
Try w3m. It does both of those.
*applause*
And I say that if you like Linux, you have not read the GPL, or are at last idealistically confused about what it really means for software developers. But I digress...
Do you have the binaries? No? Then they don't have to give you squat.
I can take something GPL'd, modify it, and sell the compiled result for $1,000,000. I only have to give the source for my mods to the people who bought the binaries from me. They, of course, are free to redistribute once they've got it.
It's called IPv6. Users in the US just need to get off their collective arses and use the thing. It's already there and working.
Noble sentiment, but Mr. Cerf is misguided if he thinks "the Internet for everyone" is going to be accomplished through unquestioning support of the ICANN cabal and the establishment of universal laws to "protect" intellectual property. Both of these seem to be to be a way to destroy, rather than build, the Internet.
Now, if we could replace ICANN with something a good bit more democratic, and put in some globally recognized laws to protect us from IP law's reach, then maybe we'll get somewhere.
Whew. I guess I can delay moving to Canada by a few months, at least. But now's not the time to become complacent.
Now is the time to start writing your Senators and Representatives and tell them it's time to codify precisely what the copyright bargain means as copyright is applied to today's media. Make sure the new copyright laws define fair use as well as protect consumers' rights to format-shifting. Alert them to the problem of the stagnant public domain due to the constant extension by Congressional act of copyright terms.
I, for one, intend to draw heavily on some of Lawrence Lessig's ideas. Let's move the written word and recordings to the exponential renewal system -- where if you want to hold it 100 years, you can , but the renewal fee grows exponentially every 5 years. Software distributed without source code should be subject to holding source code in escrow and subject to a short term -- say, 10 years -- at which point the source code, along with the software it produces, should become public domain.
The best defense against more CBDTPA-style legislation is a good offense.
I'll be happy to condemn. Or maybe some of the music-sharing crowd would like it if I started redistributing GPL code on my own terms, screaming (erroneously) "fair use"?
What gets me is that it seems we'll be needing a new round of DVD players just to play the damned things. Why no backwards compatibility? It seems to me nobody decided to create a "next-generation CD" that was completely unplayable on any current CD player.
Well, with 27GB, I don't see anyone needing MPEG-4, really... besides, it seems to me there are as many disparate ways to do MPEG-4 and cousins as there are ways to record a DVD-size disc.
Don't CD-R(W)s already have unique IDs on them? IIRC, each writer is assigned one, and they are written to the disc.
That's kinda funny, because when I read this story, the first thing I thought was "hey, Mono is now truly free, instead of only qualifiedly so".
Diff'rent strokes, I guess.
The story that started this whole thread is precisely about WM going into set-top boxen.
I guess I'm a little confused. I thought the copy-protection schemes only introduced noise when you tried to convert an audio track to a file (i.e. WAV, MP3). AFAIK, the AHRA doesn't cover MP3 encoders or ripping software. Doesn't it cover CD-Rs, and if so, isn't that a non-issue wrt copy-protection schemes, since they don't disallow making of CD-R copies?
Again, forgive my ignorance if I'm clueless here. I'm just trying to understand what Boucher is all about with this particular move.
This is, I think, one of the most regrettable mistakes that lawmakers make when they are considering "direct marketing". I don't get as many people calling to want to sell me something as I do people wanting me to donate something, often to a cause I would never dream of supporting. I'm guessing they use the same telemarketing firms and data.
Please, Mr. Lawmaker, tell me why the hell "non-profit" marketing is intrinsically better than "for-profit" marketing?
I've found W3's browsers to be buggy and crash a lot. That said, they often have interesting features...
It made perfect sense to me. If your product's license is not GPL-compatible (and that's not exactly difficult to achieve), you should stay away from looking at GPL code for ideas just as much as, for example, Kaffe developers must stay away from Sun's Java code. Otherwise, you open yourself up for legal action.
Err, the last four digits are the part that is most likely to identify your account. The first six digits, IIRC, identify the card company and are pretty damn near public knowledge.
Please get your facts straight.
Come again? The defective brakes don't require the consumer to be stupid to cause injury or death. The account number on receipt requires the consumer to be stupid, and certainly wouldn't cause injury or death.
Quit insulting some of our intelligence, eh?
The interface as such, yes (as far as I've read). However, constructing your own packets is not exactly rocket science in any past consumer OS, nor is it blocked by any sort of security.