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Copyright [CBDTPA] Bill Universally Rejected
smcavoy writes " Globe Technology is carrying a article about the CBDTPA. "We haven't received one e-mail in support of the Hollings bill," said Judiciary Committee spokeswoman Mimi Devlin. "It seems like there's a groundswell of support from regular users." I wonder if the technology industry was pro CBDTPA, would we be hearing as many bad things about it, in the press?"
Information on the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act itself is available here.
Its good to see that at least someone is listening to the users instead of the PAC money.
I think we'd all enjoy a nice cold beverage. -David Letterman
I guess all those people from my CS classes that were mailbombing congress with "SCREW THE CBDTPA" weren't JUST trolls...
I am !amused.
The control that media conglomerates have on the press is vastly overstated. Generally I think the press does an adequate job. The superficiality of the press' reporting is due more to the time constraints we, the readers, put them under. You try to gather a huge amount of interviews and information in a few hours. I'm not saying the press is fully accurate, but the problem is that accuracy takes time. By the time that thoughtful analysis can be done, most people no longer care. Further if the press tends towards sensationalism (including in these copyright issues) it is because we the readers tend to go for that angle more.
i.e. quit the gripping about the press only reporting what MS or so forth want.
This is a great day in the US. Not that our technology legislation is that much to be proud of, but today is a great day.
I'd much more like to see Hollings' career go down in flames. Can concerned citizens still buy those mud-slinging political commercials right before an election? Or did they ban that in the last campaign finance reform package? I think the people of South Carolina need to be told that their guy is trying to make sure they'll never be able to tape another TV show or burn another mix CD for their car.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Remember the Clipper Chip? Encryption export restrictions? The DCMA? The SSSCA?
The drive to regulate the internet and new technology in general, to force it back into the old way of doing things, isn't going away.
Even if we beat this one, there will always be another. Don't get complacent.
Hexayurt - open source refugee shelter,
I always have wondered about the actual effect that talking/writing to your representitives has had. It seems like, at least in this case, the decision against it was based almost entirely around citizen outrage. Although there was not the support from the technology sector that would be needed, it feels good to know that there is some balance of power that is not in favor entirely of the RIAA/MPAA. Mmmm...makes me feel all fuzzy inside to know that -all- my rights are not determined by corporate interests.
This is a question for you encryption experts.
Is watermarking just computationally expensive to remove, or could it ultimately provide the sort of check and balance that the movie and music industries are seeking?
I mean, you're free to move things around from machine to machine, unencrypted, but it's watermarked for your user ID. That means you can duplicate it at a reduced resolution (akin to taping the radio, or using a VCR to tape a DVD) when the device detects watermarking.
I do think that the tax we pay on blank media ought to go toward copyright enforcement, rather than assuming it's all piracy, and going to support artists.
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I wonder if the technology industry was pro CBDTPA, would we be hearing as many bad things about it, in the press?"
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At the end of the day, Campaign Donations from media companies like Disney and Universal only go so far. If enough voters are against something, elected representatives tend to vote against it as well. I would urge people to keep writing letters in protest of the bill, as they do seem to make a difference.
yes i run a goth/punk/emo porn site.
. . .to Hollywood to step up the "donations".
Seriously. Since when do politicians listen to their constituents over deep pocketed industry types? I declare rumors of this bill's demise to be greatly exagerated.
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I hope no one here is dumb enough to hold this attitude until it really is dead...
...I had thought people were stupid, but then they unanimously make the right decision. A step in the right direction :)
For all the huffing and puffing I hear about Special Interest Groups, money changing hands, corruption, and the like, occasionally something Really Important comes up that renews my faith in our Government of Checks and Balances.
"Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
Hey the Consumer Electronics industry and the software industry isn't against DRM and copy protection per se. They just don't want to have the method dictated by the government.
Remember MS received a patent on a DRM OS. They will use that to court everybody who wants to restrict information access, and use it internally to sell/control their own software.
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.
I'd be satisfied too, so far it looks to have been a pretty effective strategy. Let's hope it is successful enough to get this malignant bill killed at the earliest possible opportunity.
Sailing over the event horizon
You mean there actually isn't anyone that _enjoys_ being embitched and screwed up #2 repeatedly by megacorps? No blind, gullable, brownnosed corporate salad tossers that have nothing better to do than throw away theirs and everyone elses rights? The horror!
Maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel, afterall.
oh...er...sorry. Thought I was supposed to finish the quote...
Public opinion doesn't stop autocrats from making repugnant decisions (look at Nixon-Reagan's drug policies for historical perspective). These politicians have already been paid by their investors (RIAA, etc...) to manufacture their product (:%s/SSSCA/nom de jour/), so this bill will become law soon and a majority of Americans--the majority whose opinions match the opinions of their favorite television news personality--will come to believe it is a Good Thing®.
"What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
I really didn't think the Coyboyneal Big Diaper/Toilet Paper Act was something that should be passed by congress.
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As the difficult-to-remember renaming of the SSSCA worms its wicked way through congress, I'm seeing a *lot* more press about it. With the exception of the SF paper, most of the articles I've seen about it have focused on the opposition to the bill rather than the 'new age of Broadband' Disney would like us to think they're trying to usher in.
In fact, so many of those articles are getting so negatively slanted that it's becoming sensationalistic. Just like the lurid love affair the press had with O.J.'s (100% Not Guilty!) dirty deeds, the papers, newsrooms, and online news sites have picked up on something that's a 'winner' in terms of public outrage, tabloid sensationalism, and outright bribery.
Can we hope for Gary Condit-esque levels of mudslinging? Dare we aspire to John Wayne Bobbit levels of exposure and discomfort?
Fritz Hollings is getting his name dragged through the mud right now, and the press couldn't be happier than to have a new kicking dog in him and in the form of the CDBTPA or whatever the hell it's called.
For once, sensationalism works for geeks....
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From the article:
Of course they didn't "try to make it work." Why would any tech company risk being associated with stripping the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens. I think the tech companies have recognized that the media conglomerates are going to get their way no matter what. Why lend credibility to the "solution" by participating in a sham process?
Media companies did learn a valuable lesson with DiVX: don't trust your interests to consumer pressures - it's far more effective to buy legislation instead.
Slashdot comments... splitting hairs since 1997.
Interesting that we haven't seen this report in the US media. But then of course much of it is controlled by the very people who WANT this bill to pass. I guess if you can't win fairly, you can just manipulate the media not to report your failures?
Yes, this is a great day in US history. I was just telling someone that I didn't think that public outcry could muster enough strength to make a difference in any given arena, and here I am proven wrong less than a day later. I am very suprised, especially given that I was almost certain that people who held the same opinion as I do regarding technology legislation were in the minority.
Liora
... not until the bill and its variants have been withdrawn! This is the worst time possible to develop a sense of complacency.
Be sure to check out the site referenced in the article. They helped the effort, and apparently want to do more.
Excuse me, but last time I checked, my rights were inalienable and included everything that I didn't willingly give up for the good of society. It has nothing to do with what lawyers have deemed acceptable for me to have. If your business sense is as acute as your legal sense, it's no wonder your portal is now "defunct".
We should also tell them that while in college he was a thespian, who even performed the act in front of paying customers. Also, that he has admitted that he feels affinity for South Carolina, a state which is much loved by its residents. Further, It is a known fact that, on a number of occasions, he emulated older boys at a certain playground. It is also known that his parents not only permitted him to masticate in their presence, but even urged him to do so. Most explicable of all, this man who poses as a paragon of virtue exacerbated his own sister when they were both teenagers!
You can find more along this vein where I copied this from.
Take a look, it isn't a democracy, it's a republic. Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or in the Constitution is this nation referred to as a democracy.
Besides, if it really were a democracy, we would have voted on the SSSCA/Bill The Cat Bill.
This is really great to see happen - hopefully we can continue this effective political awareness and activisim. Be heard!
I found this blurb interesting
Media firms could also take a page from the antipiracy playbook of software companies, who concentrate on shutting down large, commercial piracy operations rather than trying to control individual users, he said.
I would wager that it would be easier to buy a bill than it would be stop some companies like Kaaza or Morpheus...
Or an even better idea... make digital music cheaper and more usuable.
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Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch.
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.
What did they expect?
Hollings: I'd like to pass a bill that will take away all your rights to using digital media.
Consumers: Hmm how about just some of our rights?
Hollings: Will taking a way 2/3 of your civil rights be good?
Consumers: Ok that works for us.
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Added this to the top of the congressional fax to set it apart from the standard form ...
I am opposed to the adoption of the CBDTPA proposed by Senator Hollings. As a technology professional and proponent of open-source software I believe this bill would seriously undermine the ability of software developers to create and distribute software and operating systems that suit their needs. I also believe it would incur unfair costs to manufacturers of computer hardware who would have to alter their products to the detriment of their businesses - all to support a security specification that would most likely by circumvented shortly after its release anyway.
hahahahah
we are sensationalizing computer rights legislation only 8 months after being attacked and "starting a war on terrorism".. what long attention spans we have.
hahahahah
...when your neck's about to be cut!" -- Shichinen No Samurai
Fritz is contemptible, but his career itself, his personal good fortune, these things should be of no concern. Fritz was stamped from the same grovelling yes-man mold as every other politician. The CBDTPA genuinely threatens your freedom and economic health (unless you work for Ballmer or Rosen.) Let South Carolina have its idiot.
I think you fail to see that, to Southerners, TV is the devil!
Sorry. Lame joke. I know.
Thinking like this is lazy, boring, and not helpful. This isn't the way things have to be.
Ordinary people can still change things in America. Cynical people can still sit on their hands.
Let's not stir that bag of worms...
Look around you. Look at the laws and regulations that govern this country. Whether or not you think they are just, there are certainly an abundance of government initiatives (DMCA, USAPATRIOT, environment laws, corporate tax loopholes) that no amount of ground-swell, letter writing, grass-roots activism or "user input" could put a stop to.
Free clue: politicians only give a damn about your opinion on election day. The rest of the time they are just stringing you along, letting you feel like you are actually contributing to the governance of this country. You are not. You are being "handled."
Unless you can out-spend and out-lobby Hollywood or whatever other industry is trying to subvert your rights to further their bottom line, your opinion doesn't count.
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Pile on - keep submitting those faxes, signing the petitions. This thing must not pass.
Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.
How much evidence does he need that we don't want it to work? It is a law designed to prevent people from engaging in legal activities, at the sole discretion of corporate interests with no oversight. That's why no, we're most definitely not trying to make it work.
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What if you WANT to give it away for free? Is it cool that people pirate music? not really, I have, but as a musician I can say I'm less concerned with whether people buy my CD's than I am with whether they show up at my concerts.
I'd rather have them get a copy of my CD for free, realize they like it and then want to see my concert. The box office is where much the killing is made. For musicians, at least those not on the top 40 - read, most of the musicians that exist - selling CD's is not gonna bring home the bacon. Seeing a live show is just not the same as listening to a CD, there's something about being there, the sheer volume and the whole experience that makes it different. Not that I was there but I doubt Woodstock '69 the complete CD set would have the moxy that the show itself did.
so, to somehow stay on this story's topic, this bill goes against that which music and art is - freedom of expression and getting that expression to the general populace. I'm glad to see people standing up for this bill. think about it - because people want to make a buck they're forcing you to NOT give away your stuff for FREE.
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Is Hollings up for reelection in November? If so, then the CFR that just passed is not an issue. The congressmen conveniently exempted the upcoming election from the provisions of the bill.
If he's up in a subsequent election, you can still give to Hollings' opponent, that's "hard money" which had the contribution limits raised by CFR, who may or may not run mud-slinging political commercials.
Unfortunately, you won't be able to run issue ads, with or without mud-slinging, about how absurd this bill is right before the election. No, that particular type of free speech has been elminitated by CFR. You can't speak your own mind on issues with media ads right before an election, no, you have to give to a candidate to do it for you.
There's hope that CFR won't stand Judicial review.
Hmmm... I wonder if I don't see a loophole. You could run as a third party candidate, on the ballet or not, and run ads that were essentially issue ads slinging all the mud you wanted. All done with "hard money".
These silly soft money/hard money rules are not going to get the money out of politics, it's just going to move it around.
Either that or they need to be told they have a representative that's more interested in going to bat for a corporation from a different state than his own constituents. In the grand scheme of things that might not be very accurate, but it'd still make a good commercial.
Stupider like a fox! - H.S.
Is Hollings up for reelection in November?
In November 2004...
<FLASHBACK>
Imaginary interview with Hollings and Davis:
Hollings: It's like the time we tried to legislate that pi=3, and these stupid tech forms didn't want to make it work! They kept doggedly insisting that it was this long number, like 3.14159something, and that it couldn't be expressed as a rational number!
Davis: Yeah, I mean, they wouldn't even compromise on the issue - during Congressional testimony, we had Andy Grove of Intel on the stand, and we offered him "3.14?" He said, "no, it's pi" "22/7?" "No, pi is a transcendental number." Utterly ridiculous. As if good Christians should have to put up with this sort of new age Transcendentalist movement. Maybe in California, but not in South Carolina, by gum!
Hollings: And the engineers were worse than the mathematicians. We got letters from all these so-called rational thinkers tryin' to convince us that simple things like the wheel and the suspension bridge weren't based on rational numbers! Can't they see that they're the ones being irrational about this?
Davis: There's just no negotiating with technology people. They don't want to make it work, they don't even want to try to make it work. Why won't they even try to see things from our point of view? Hollings: So we're moving ahead with the legislation. They kept trying to get us to move from 3 to 3.14whatever? We subtracted double than their beloved 0.14159265whatever, and came up with 2.718281828. They can have pi=2.718 or nothing at all!
Davis: They're bluffing when they say math won't work with our proposal. Maybe it'll just make a few things harder for them in the short term, but when the law makes pi=2.718, they'll have to innovate in order to build anything!
Hollings: Yeah! Now we'll see who really knows how to promote engineering and mathematical innovation our children's schools!
</FLASHBACK>
I found a reference to this article on Wired, in which Scott Andreessen of Netscape fame attempts to give a clue to the entertainment industry.
You can still buy mudslinging ads. The only reform that "might" happen will conveniently be enacted the day after this election.... Then after that the Supreme Court will declare it as unconstitutional as it violates the 1st Amendment.
Now that our complaining has killed SSSCA and scored a direct hit on CBDTPA, we should go after Hollings by encouraging the geeks of South Carolina to hold him accountable for these bills in every public forum they can find. If he is voted out of the Senate, then other potential Disney appointees will realize that acting as an errand boy for the entertainment industry is not without risk. Turning him into a national laughingstock is amusing, but the only people who can make him go away are the people who put him there: the voters of South Carolina.
According to opensecrets.org he was elected in 1998, which means the next election is 2004. Is it mere coincidence or is the midpoint of a Senate term the ideal time to deal with the sleaziest bills that PAC money can buy?
I find it really odd that this guy is a Democrat. I'm a Republican, and it's usually my guys who specialize in catering to anti-consumer interests like this. The Democrats ususally waste money on social programs and tax the hell out of the middle class to pay for it. He really should make up his mind: either be sleazy or counterproductive; it's not good to be both.
The battle at this point is only half done. As one user mentioned,...remember the DMCA, SSSCA..
It might worthwhile to consider starting a grass roots effort to now oust Ernest Hollings.
Need to let congressmen know that there are penalties for stupid legislation and perhaps other congressmen might think before doing this.
This would be the "two" of the "one-two" punch.
Then again geeks aren't known for fighting.....
Hollings is ranked pretty high in the pork ratings, too. He's appropriated $15 million for a couple of 'Hollings' institutes in his home state CAGW Oinkers 2002. He still doesn't even come close to Sen. Stevens (R-Alaska) - $451 million, or Sen. Inouye (D-Hawaii) at $432 million. That's nearly $1 BILLION dollars of unnecessary government spending, unless, of course, you happen to live in Alaska or Hawaii.
who founded Excite, the now-defunct on-line portal.
Is it just me or does Excite.com pull up just fine? Methinks he's confusing the excite@home debacle with the portal.
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A grass-roots group called DigitalConsumer.org, which did not exist a month ago, claims to have signed up 24,000 members who have sent off 80,000 faxes to their elected representatives.
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That comes out to a mean of 3 1/3 letters / user. 2 sentators, 1 representative, plus somebody else who got 1/3 of a letter.
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The complete text of the bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c107:./temp/ ~c107KG2pN3
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Back to FreeBSD for me.
One article does not a victory make. Yes, it's comforting to hear that the politicians are (maybe) actually listening to their constituents, but that does not imply that the battle has been won. Keep up the fight. Keep writing the letters, sending the faxes and donating to Digital Consumer and EFF.
And above all, don't become smug and complacent. We still have a long way to go.
And remember, as long as the bill is still alive in Congress somewhere, it's still a threat.
Think For Yourself. Question Authority.
I think things really have gone out of perspective. The thing that really needs to be remembered in all of this, is the fact that these bills really shouldn't be allowed to happen without support. The thing about copyright is that we have it because, believe it or not, people supposedly want it.
/really/ like some pop group / film maker / etc. will pay in an attempt to make sure they make more of their product, but society has agreed that it shouldn't fall to the obsessed few, but instead anyone who gains enjoyment from this sort of thing should contribute - in just the same way everyone should have to pay for trains, not just those that /really/ believe in mass-transport.
/really/ want to download music for free, and nobody is willing to pay for it, society should stop forcing people to. Perhaps some people will stop making music, but, as I say, there isn't some God-given right for them to do this for a living if society doesn't value it enough.
Essentially, copyright is there to protect society from freeloaders - of course people that
The thing that is forgotten, however, is that this happens because society wants it. The moment the population decides that the cost / benefit proposition isn't good enough, they should be able to get rid of these laws. Hence, if people
So basically, whilst many things obviously aren't put to the vote, since copyright can only be defended on the basis that if people really think about it they support it, if people really don't it can't be defended. So if people are really against this sort of bill, it would be ridiculous to pass it.
And who jumped on the bandwagon in a big way before any other industry? The music industry. When they converted everything from LP to CD. They had consumers throw out all their old equipment and music collections - and what the consumers got in return was, higher quality audio (of course, some audiophiles debate that. For the sake of argument, fuck them).
What did the music industry get out of "going digital"? Remarkably lower production and manufacturing and shipping costs. Cheap digital sound processing equipment. Cheap razzle-dazzle digital effects processing. High quality mastering equipment, cheap. Easy to use production tools (cheaper studio labor). Cha Ching! this went right into the record companies' profits.
However, they squeezed out the digital toothpaste, and once they realized that this allows people to make infinite perfect digital copies, they decided they maybe didn't want digital technology after all.
RIAA-
I'll tell you what. Switch back to vinyl. 'k? Really. It'll kill off the music pirates once and for all (shhhh! don't TELL them!!). I know that you lose all those nice benefits that the computer industry gave you with the commoditization of digital technology - but it will also save you from the ugly side effects of the commoditization of digital technology! Gasp! Everyone now has tools on their desktops to make infinite perfect digital copies at no cost!!
Methinks you guys should have gone and taken a few computer classes before you bought into this whole "digital technology" thing.
*snicker*
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at least there's still Leahy!
I've noticed a very cool trend lately: mainstream opposition to this bill. I've seen a number of letters to the editor and editorial columns and even overheard a few non-geek conversations, all trashing it. I even heard some discussion on talk radio last week.
Today, however, I heard the coolest example yet. I flipped on the radio to one of the rock/alternative/metal stations I listen to, and the DJ was ranting about the CBPTPA and inviting listeners to call in. The callers were about as articulate as you'd expect (one of them was obviously *very* stoned), but they still made many of the same good points about this piece of crap legislation that you read on /. and other fora.
Word is getting out -- and *nobody* likes this piece of crap bill, except the RIAA. Not even artists, as far as I can tell, and the RIAA would have us believe its for the musicians that they're doing this.
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"We haven't received one e-mail in support of the Hollings bill," said Judiciary Committee spokeswoman Mimi Devlin. In other news: Duh. People (who use computers that would be stripped down by this) aren't going to run off to e-mail these idiots all happy about the fact Hollings has bent them over and is aiming for penetration.
Nice to see the sheeple finally woke up! Now all we need to do is to get rid of the DMCA.
Don't anthropomorphize computers, they don't like it.
Can you blame them? The CBDTPA is really just like a gigantic unfunded mandate laid at the doorstep of the tech community with a note tied around it reading "Fix this for us and we'll let you live."
Bear in mind how much effort it would take to DRM-safe all the computer equipment sold in the country, if not world. Proposed DRM standards would spring up from the ground like swarms of rabid fruitbats, and whenever equipment designed for these DRM systems barfed on legally purchased media, it would be the *tech* sector that gets stuck with the blame, not the *media* sector.
The media sector tried to save itself money by drafting a bill to prevent piracy and whatnot, and save their income. No surprise there.
Faced with the expense of all of this new DRM R&D, implementation, and fielding of complaints, the tech sector chose to fight it rather than allow it to pass, and save their income.
This is probably one of the *few* things that defeated the bill: that all large corporations, not just the media hegemony, are typically greedy and lazy, in that order; I don't believe that grassroots action had anything to do with it.
The bill will come back. It was the SSS-whatever, it became the CBDTPA, and it will metamorph into something else as long as the Senator From Disney is in office. In the meantime, the best thing we can do to the media companies' war chests is not fill them.
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It's not sensationalism. It's the truth. It's working through the entire web of implications coming out from what they want to do. All you have to do is start with the bill and play a few "what if" games and you get to scary things right away. I think we would be better off sticking to things that people can understand and care about, like not being able to videotape a wedding because you could record music as a side effect.
Also, boycott Star Wars because this is only one little skirmish, and the companies will want everything forever, and they will keep trying to get everything forever, even if they have to get it in little bits over time. I think getting SW to tank would make a much bigger statement than thousands of letters being sent to Congress.
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The second MP3 wave has yet to hit. How many of us can say our parents are actively downloading MP3's and burning them onto CD's? Answer: Very few. How many people do you know who have never burned an audio CD? Answer: Plenty.
The first MP3 wave hit hard. Most technical savvy people have a large MP3 collection. When the second wave hits and MOST OF AMERICA uses MP3s, the US population will believe it's their *RIGHT* to download free music, and the MP3 revolution will be complete. Until that time, the MP3 revolution is vulnerable. Bottom line: Don't get too happy about the rejection of this copyright bill.
From the Wired article on Leahy's stopping CBDTPA, there's this nugget:
"Also this week, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-California) told Wired News he was drafting a House bill that would be similar to the CBDTPA."
Looks like Mr. Schiff, the "representative from Disney", representing the mouse's backyard in Glendale, CA, also now needs to be slapped down. What saddens me is that it's reps from my own party (Dems) that are doing this. Just goes to show that whoever is paying for the candidacy gets to make the law. I'm willing to support someone else in the primary over this issue alone.
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I think it's great that Congress is getting all these comments against the CBDTPA, but anyone who thinks it's dead is terribly naive. It won't be officially dead until the end of the Congressional term, and it can and probably will be reintorduced next year. The absolute worst thing we can do is to stop now. If we do, our opposition will soon be forgotten, and the bill will get pushed through.
The best way to put this into perspective is to realize that we do have the power to raise awareness and get people's attention. This doesn't mean we've won. Far from it. It just means that the big media companies and their allies in Congress know we're here, and they'll now have to counter that. Does anyone honestly think that Jack Valenti will call up his buddy Fritz Hollings and say, "Fritz, we honestly didn't know that people would get so riled up over this. Look, we don't want to irritate our customers, so let's just pull this bill." Hell no! If they're talking about anything, they're discussing ways to put a positive spin on this monstrosity.
Now is not the time to get complacent. That will doom us more than anything else. Keep sending those letters, making those phone calls, and talking with friends and colleagues. If we can get their attention by doing what we've done so far, we can do much more if we take this to the next level.
That light you see at the end of the tunnel might be from an oncoming train.
I'm glad to see that U.S. elected officials still have some common sense!
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Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.
This, coming from the same people who refused to speak to anyone about the SSSCA (A.K.A. CBDTPA) when it was being drafted... Whatever...
*Condense fact from the vapor of nuance*
That's just what they'd like you to believe...
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(the truth is out there
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Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.
Well, duh. Maybe no one's trying to make it work because no one wants it in the first place.
Don Dugger
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I was forwarded this today:
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-----Original Message-----
From: J. Valenti [mailto:jackv@mpaa.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:58 AM
To: mpaa-global
Subject: Your job is in danger!
Please go to this website immediately to voice your support of
MPAA congressional inititives:
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We need everyone's support on this. We will be releasing everyone 10 min. early tonight so you can go log on from home and voice your support from there as well.
Thanks...remember, we're all in this together.
Jack.
The general public seems to believe that it's the "nasty corporations" and the "restrictive goverment" that upsets customers and citizens with these bill proposals. I would just like to remind people that both institutions are comprized of people such as the person reading my post. Both are operated by normal people with normal lives like yourselves.
My point is that "losing faith" in the goverment means losing faith in all people, even youself; in which case everyone is a money-grubbing evil-doer. Corporations and the government themselves are not evil, nor are most of their workers. Please disprove lack of faith in capitalism by not violating the rules of the people, so that those who are (sometimes unintelligibly) put into power don't have to rush-in new and uninformed laws.
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This bill looks like a non-starter in its present form with the present congress, but that doesn't mean it's DEAD. There's a powerful industry with a powerful lobby that wants this, and just 'cause it's unpopular doesn't mean they're gonna stop trying.
This fight will *never* be over. Semper Vigilans!
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd
I think they were pretty smart in calling it the CBDTPA. I can barely pronounce the acronym even when I have it in front of me. This probably makes it sound so obscure to Jim and Jane consumer that they won't look into what it is. Sounds like smart 'marketing' of bills from Disney and their pet Hollings, thus making it easier for them to get it to pass and harder for us to talk to our non techie friends about it without them glazing over.
Dear Representative,
:o)
Support the CBDTPA!!!
Sorry about writing in crayon - they don't let sharp objects in the secure wards.
For some reason I never downloaded anyMP3, and my parents not even own a computer... the CD player they own was a gift from my wife, my mother and me to my father's birthday about three or four years ago. Ah yes... My father used to be an engineer in the audio industry, develloping all those cool gadgets like tape recorders and stuff. So he is tech-savvy and knows how to operate a computer and understands even the algorithms that went into the MP3 encoders.
And me? Working in IT as a information security specialist I don't even have a sound card in my computer. It was more easily tax deductible that way, when I bought it, and even though I stuffed in more harddrives, memory and ethernet cards later, I never bothered to add a soundcard. For some reason I don't like sound with the computer games.
I think getting SW to tank would make a much bigger statement than thousands of letters being sent to Congress.
Of course this won't happen, but it is a beautiful thought.
I'll give you that.
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
Just aim at the nearest tree and press gas hard.
until the scourge of YOUR beer is stopped.
That's not the way the world works.
If you want to stop 'em accuse 'em of wanting to support child pornography but making sure that they get their tithe everytime some kid takes it in the shorts.
And thay ultimately want to shut down the telephone system so that criminals and terrorists can't communicate to plan their crimes.
MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
THere have got to be better choices there.
"Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me"
Thats what they want! They *never ever* expected this bill to pass. This is merely mis-direction so they can get what they want when no one is looking. Now we have to start all over -- find out what new bill is evil -- get the word out again. This is classic strategic manuvering. *Don't fall for it*
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
I'd be overjoyed if it was a complicated and
expensive endeavor to listen to hollywood music
and watch hollywood movies. I would love it if
I was never subjected to one of those wastes of
my time again.
I am opposed to the CBDTPA because
there is no way they are going to put drm in
Debian and I want to continue to legally use
Debian.
...and this lie crawls out of its mouth: 'I, the state, am the people.'
I think we can expect to see a shitload of cheezy anti-fair use plugs in movies coming out from Disney and friends shortly. I wouldnt even be surprised if we see entire movies based on the premise (maybe a drama about some inner city kid with music talent gets screwed over because of people bootlegging his tapes, or maybe an action flick on how piracy is sponsoring oppression). Dont think they've given up .. they'll think up a new strategy and win next time, or maybe the time after that.
..not just hte US) that bring about these legislation accountable when it comes election time.
Vigilance. And someone PLEASE hold the Nazi-ish legislators worldwide (yes, that means europe, canada, and australia too
This article shows how flawful is the representative system, called democratic now a days, as stated here. Such a centered system cannot represent the regular citizen that religeous votes every election, trying to be represented by a person that he baraly knows.
Lobby should be prohibited, this is one of the main problems of the representative system as implemented today.
We should avoid all kinds of influences that can make difference to our political representation. Industries does not vote, and should not have any political opinion.
Of course we should know better who are we going to vote to, and know better what the representative system is. We also have fault in theses problems.
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I know life isn't fair, but why can't it ever be un-fair in MY favor!?
that hard to cook up... and that would sure do the "career go down in flames" bit.
or we could watch him get re-elected, and fuck over not just his state, but his country, and every other country that lives as a pseudo-american state *cough*like canada*cough*
GENERATION 26: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation.
Has anyone seen anything at all about this bill anywhere but from Internet sources? On television (C-SPAN doesn't count)? Radio? Anywhere in the first 10 pages of any newspaper? I sure haven't. Why give credit to press coverage when there's been no press coverage outside the special tech. publications?
I'm not sure that the media is biased. Much of the time I think it's just incompetent. Some of the time I think that it intentionally plays the news as entertainment, or an arcade game. (Shoot down the alien menace!).
/. is a more reliable source of news (at least for the things that it's interested in) than the local papers are. And this doesn't mean that I rate /. highly, either.
:)
Only occasionally do I think that the media is being biased in favor of their owners. Of course, the general quality is so bad that it's hard to tell what's signal and what's noise.
I honestly think that
(But I do enjoy it!
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
And, as far as divix goes, even legislation couldn't have saved that... flawed on too many levels beyond just the pay-per-use concept.
What I don't understand is the constant refusal of the entertainment industry to give consumers what they do want when it comes to marginalizing the "artistic value" of actors, producers, directers, and others offer! If you can just give people unfinished crap, and let them sort it out for themselves, and make money in the process...
As someone else pointed out, it isn't over until consumer's rights are spelled out in law, be it a la Digital Consumer's bill of rights, or something else.
And actually the congressional elections are this year. If people want the chance to oust Hollings, I'm sure it isn't far off.
He'll be 100 on dec 5 though. That's kinda cool.
And figure out a way to get Senator Hollings to read Slashdot on a daily basis.
You could, with a single gesture, save the world as we all know it.
Just because the bill probably won't get out of Judiciary, it still lives. It can be attached as an amendment to another bill and given new life that way. Don't assume anything when dealing with politicians.
That light you see at the end of the tunnel might be from an oncoming train.
That means become single-issue voters and supporters. Who here will pledge $2000 of hard money contributions to any candidate who opposes Hollings? Or the max you can afford? Cause that's what it will really take to change things. And it needs to be done even if that candidate has other positions you disagree with.
Any "media" has to be converted into the analog domain in order to be useful. The degradation caused by resampling will not be anywhere near as bad as that of, for instance, converting CD quality digital into MP3 digital. At most this would force people to resample, won't it? As long as there is a programmable device to regenerate the analog, the programmers are still in control. This may force MP3 player mfgrs to have a prohibitive codec, but then we can just use Sony Clie's and similar portable systems to reproduce the media.
I must say that I spent a solid hour writing and faxing my representitves this week. Feels good to see that public intrest still makes a difference.
I'm sure he's been RE-elected at least once since 1954, unless he found a way around the fact that senators only serve six year terms...
Rock over London, Rock on Chicago. Wheaties: Breakfast of Champions.
only about 4985 to go.
Setting his threshold to 5, Sparky eliminated most of the trolls on /.
According to this NEWS.COM article, Gateway is going to be voicing its opposition to the CBDTPA. The best part is that they're going to begin airing a national TV spot on the topic of downloading and burning music. Doesn't look like it's going to directly reference the bill, but people will doubtless see it, and it will prime them for exposure to information about what's going on. I'd recommend that everyone here watch for the ad and see if it can be used as a reference when writing letters to newspapers or your Congressional reps.
Definitely a good thing here.
That light you see at the end of the tunnel might be from an oncoming train.
The corruption of the politician tends to correlate with the size of the constituency.
There are 3 plausible reasons for this that occur to me.
1) In a larger electorate, it costs more to get elected.
2) In a larger electorate, the politician feels less connected to the electorate in general, and only comes into contact with a selected subset of it that favors certain views.
3) A larger electorate has more immoral candidates to be selected from, so it's easier for the fundraisers to find a "good face" that will be morally flimsy enough (or power hungry enough) to do their bidding in return for the election.
There's no reason to believe that only one of these is correct. And there are other effects. And Senator Hollings comes from a rather small electorate, so the correlation isn't perfect. (I also haven't heard anything really bad about Senator Boxer. Again, the correlation isn't perfect.)
But one of the markers is how much it costs to buy campaign ads.
And one of the markers is how isolated the elected person is from the electorate.
And I will vote for Pigasus before I'll vote for Feinstein again. I sent her a letter in protest against the SS(SCA) act and she sent back saying how much she supported the copyright bill. (I suppose I should say "at least she was honest", but the last time it was up all she would say way "I will take your opinion under consideration", but the evidence seems to show that she was campaigning to get it accepted. So honesty as an excuse is out the window.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
----- Indecision is the key to flexibility.
He received numerous phone calls, emails & letters from informed computer users & professionals stating in careful detail why this was a bad bill.
And how did the esteemed senator respond? ``You're not one of my constituents, so I won't listen to you."
BTW, why would someone moderate the parent comment ``Flamebait"? Sheesh!
Geoff
I think I see a trend here. Maybe for them it really would be easier to muzzle the entire internet than to produce p
sorry to hear that.
You know this all sounds like outtakes from the late, lamented MTV's Downtown, right? ;-)
I live in South Carolina, though I'm a transplant from up-north. Down here, Strom Thurmond is almost universally revered by the locals. At least he is not proposing technology bills we don't need. However, he is not running for re-election this year, so somebody new will be in there soon.
Hollings has been in the Senate since 1966! He's next up for re-election in 2004. I did write him about the SSSCA weeks ago, but haven't heard from him.
Most people in South Carolina (and any other state for that matter) don't know about the CBDTPA. So it will be difficult to convince the locals that someone should not be re-elected on account of one bill. And maybe his alternative will want to introduce a bill on a completely different but equally objectionable idea. No one politician will be able to please everybody.
I am in favor of term limits, but I've heard an argument that small states need to be able to get high-seniority (read: lots of terms) congressmen/senators in order to not be overrun by the bigger states.
If you read the bill itself, it is designed to not pass. Key terms such as 'Open Source' are intentionally left out of the definitions section. Those parts would have to be modified or struck.
"Never, never suspect the dreams within the dreams of dreaming children." ~The Amazon Quartet
to see how population will react to SSSCA.
corpuration anf gouvernement like to do surch thing
-- anyone I disagree with who won't shut up.
"In a slate of new television, radio and online ads, computer manufacturer Gateway (NYSE:GTW) is voicing its opposition to a bill that aims to curtail PC users' copying of music CDs.
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The San Diego-based PC maker, which is busily promoting a computer setup designed for music and CD-burning enthusiasts in other ads, said its new advocacy campaign seeks to raise consumer awareness for the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act proposed by Sen. Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (D-S.C.)"
"Gateway said it had commissioned a survey last month that found that 44 percent of all owners of PCs in the U.S. also own a CD burner -- suggesting that consumers are not only fond of digital music technology, but they want to keep using it. Additionally, the survey found that 73 percent of those who said they downloaded music from the Internet say they now spend the same or more money on music purchases. Fifty-three percent of PC-owners said they would be more likely to buy a CD if they could first download one track from the Internet. Only 10 percent say they'd be less likely to buy given this ability. "
http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article/0,
And I will vote for Pigasus before I'll vote for Feinstein again.
Senator Boxer is thoroughly 0wned by Hollywood. She's just as bad as Feinstein.
Much as I don't like Republicans and much as I do like women in the Capitol I'm going to vote Libertarian next Senatorial elections. Throw these sellouts to the MPAA and RIAA out the fsckin' door. See ya...
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
You're not distinguishing between the questionable
issue ad ban and the long-overdue soft money ban,
referring to them both as "CFR". The two are
logically and legally separate, they just happen to
be part of the same bill.
Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:S.2048. IS:
The one given above is a temporary search link. This one will always work.
We may have won this battle, but the war is far from over. Rep. Adam Schiff is set to introduce a similar bill in the House of Representatives later this month!
Another Punch for Copy Protection
Let's intensify that pressure!
Who will run against him (and be able to win!) on a platform of freedom? This could be a job for the GeekPAC mentioned a day or so ago.
sulli
RTFJ.
From the act text: "Only someone who violates the law "willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain" can be convicted" It will always be easy for programmers to build systems that resample and re-encode. As long as we don't try to make money off the result we are not even targets for this act.
That is apparently uncomfortably close to the truth. Apparently the CBDTPA is mainly intended as a stalking horse. Its proponents don't seriously hope it to pass in anything like its current form, much as they would love if it did. It seems that what they're really aiming for at present is legislation specifically to enforce their plans for digital TV; after their opening demands have been rejected, they'll barter down to that. The resulting legislation will then be praised as the product of compromise and consensus. Both sides will claim a partial victory. And the studios will have exactly what they were hoping to get. Whenever they want some more, they'll simply repeat the process. Eventually it will become politically feasible to pass something like the current CBDTPA, since it will be possible to plausibly claim that it would only tidy up all the piecemeal copy-protection acts and amendments that by then will already be law.
DigitalConsumer.org is doing something about it. We are advocating a Consumer Technology Bill of Rights that will positively assert a consumer's rights to fair use. The Bill of Rights will guarantee your ability to use your own digital media in the way that you choose. With the support of consumers, we are working to have the Bill of Rights passed into law. Our proposed Bill has already gained support from numerous consumers as well as prominent executives and venture capitalists, but there's a lot more that we need to do in order to let Washington know that this is important.
Got friends?
Are you sure that isn't House of Representatives or the other Senate seat? I thought the Senate was a 6-year term. If he was elected in 1998, that means he won't be up for re-election until 2004, even though other congressional seats will expire sooner.
One of my key arguments is to attack the rationale for this ridiculous bill on its most fundamental level -- the public just isn't interested in a "new age of broadband"
It would be technically feasable to rewire the telephone system so that it could transmit high-fidelity music. It hasn't happened because most people are satisfied if they can recognize words and voices. They certainly aren't willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for some newfangled "high-fidelity telephone".
The same is true of media. The government should just forget the whole notion of pushing a new digital TV standard -- if it happens on its own, fine; if not, so what?
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
SC has serious pollution issues from the goddamn pig farms. after the last hurricane (what was it named?) there was so much poop everywhere it was uninhabitable.
Come to think of it, this is actually a good act, from the perspective of open source developers. Creating technical barriers without creating legal barriers will end up stoking exactly the kind of innovation the RIAA probably does not want. There will be a whole new product category for media resamplers, and you can bet the quality of the D/A/D chain will improve to keep up.
that is brilliant. hoax or not. i particularly love his attempt at a url. mod up.
sulli
RTFJ.
I think that codifying the concept of "Right of First Sale" into law would be a good start. Note that the Authors Guild is raising a stink over Amazon's sale of used books. However, they are legally standing on quicksand because US law states that once you buy a book you are free to do whatever you want with it. That's the law, folks! Stomp your feet and whine all you want, you can't do anything about it.
A universal Right of First Sale would invalidate EULAs. In the state of California, you are now free to sell software that came bundled with your PC thanks to a sensible appelate judge who applied the Right of First Sale to software. The RIAA and MPAA would probably love to stop you from selling your used CDs and used DVDs, but there again is that pesky Right of First Sale. It is (still last I checked) legal to buy and sell used DVDs and CDs.
Universalizing Right of First Sale would also put a monkey wrench into attempts to criminalize the use of DeCSS to play DVDs on Linux. Hey, you bought that DVD...you have a right to play it on any OS you choose.
Same with region coding. You bought a DVD from a European or Japanese store over the Internet? Bought it fair and square? You didn't steal it? Good. You have the right to do with it what you will. Including hacking your DVD player to accommodate it.
I have no illusions that this will ever happen. But this is one way of preserving the rights we already have. The doctrine is already on the books. Let's encourage its application to new technology.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Actually, under the CFR you can run any ads you want, as long as you say where the money came from in the ad. Hollings isn't up again until 2004, but then you could run a long "Hollings is a Disney-funded luddite" commercial, as long as at the end you said "Paid for by JordanH" and filed the appropriate forms with the federal elections commission.
You hit the nail on the head.
Does FreeBSD prevent root from erasing the memory?
I hope not.
...start lighting up over people's heads? I mean, the entire point of HAVING a congress is to do the will of the people. If not a single person wants this to be a law, why was it ever proposed? Of course, you and I know the answer to this question, but you would think SOMEONE with some power would kind of go, "Wait-a-second... What the hell happened to the "represenative" part of ouw represenative government?"
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
How many Slashdotters can I get to e-mail the link for my original posting at http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=30881&cid=3319 647 to Senator Hollings at qmail@hollings-cms.senate.gov ?
Sorry, no karma points for posting the "hidden" value in his website's email contact page to Usenet.
Since it was so universally rejected, the question becomes "why?"
Could it be that with all the attention we gave it that they couldn't possibly support it without gaining negative nationwide attention?
One doesn't know for sure if our protests had any influence or not, but we should remain vigilant just in case it helped.
I think that the connection between Disney and Hollings should be investigated. I don't know much about Hollings, so I could be wrong, but it would not surprise me if he wasn't getting a kick back somewhere behind closed doors. Maybe a large future campaign contribution? Lifetime tickets to Disney Land, perhaps?
In any case, Mickey Mouse is now a symbol of oppression for me. I'm sure old Walt had no idea his company would become such a piece of shit.
Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.
So, Hollings wants us to give him helpful suggestions? how about... GIVE UP!
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New copyright protection bill would turn government into entertainment 'rent-a-cop'
WASHINGTON, DC -- The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA), a bill that would supposedly reduce digital piracy, should be rejected by Congress because it would turn the government into a "rent-a-cop" for the entertainment industry, the Libertarian Party said today.
"The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act will not only inconvenience consumers and throw roadblocks in the way of new technology, it will vastly expand the power of the government," warned the party's executive director, Steve Dasbach.
"While the federal government may have a legitimate role in protecting copyrighted material, that role does not extend to acting as a technology rent-a-cop to protect the profits of huge entertainment corporations like Disney, Sony, and DreamWorks."
Last week, Senator Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC) filed S-2048, the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act.
The bill would make it a federal crime -- punishable by five years in jail and a $500,000 fine -- to sell software or hardware that does not contain shielding measures that make it impossible to play or copy protected materials like songs, movies, or TV shows.
The bill's provisions would apply to computers, video-editing software, CD players, VCRs, MP3 players and software, DVD players, and televisions, among others. The copyright-protection technology would be determined either by manufacturers and entertainment companies, or mandated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).
The CBDTPA is allegedly designed to stop digital piracy, which has become an increasing problem now that everything from songs to movies are in digital form, and downloadable from the Internet.
But the CBDTPA goes far beyond any reasonable role the government might have in protecting copyrighted works, said Dasbach.
"According to the Constitution, the federal government has the power to 'promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive rights to their respective writings and discoveries,'" he noted. "In other words, Congress can grant exclusive copyrights, which entertainers can defend, as necessary, by filing copyright infringement lawsuits.
"The CBDTPA, by contrast, gets the federal government involved in the production of everything from televisions to computers, and software programs to operating systems. And, instead of just targeting criminals who illegally steal copyrighted materials, it treats every consumer as a potential digital pirate -- while turning federal bureaucrats into the Digital Police."
Further, said Dasbach, the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act would:
"The bill would make it impossible for you to turn a CD you purchased into MP3 songs to play on your computer," he said. "It guts the traditional notion of 'fair use,' which allows consumers non-commercial reproduction rights."
"Federally mandated copyright-protection technology will not only drive up the cost of computers, DVD players, and VCRs, it may force consumers to purchase multiple copies of movies and albums -- pouring billions of extra dollars into the pockets of wealthy conglomerates," he said.
"The bill is a dream come true for Bill Gates, because it could make it illegal to own one of the most successful operating system competitors to Microsoft Windows," he said. "The result would be to stifle competition in the computer industry."
In short, the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act is an overly broad, overly rigid, and overly intrusive response to the problem of digital piracy, said Dasbach.
"Digital piracy is a real dilemma, and the entertainment industry has a real challenge ahead of it -- to figure out how to make a profit and protect artists in a digital age," he said. "But the solution is not to pass the CBDTPA, which would turn the federal government into the omnipresent technology police, and treat every consumer like a criminal."
Most of the time:
*Some megacorporation* is doing bad monopolistic stuff and trying to destroy open source. The Government is corrupt and *does bad stuff*. Those damn megacorporations control the Government with campaign contributions. Enron goddammit
A year later,
News: CDBPTA thrown out of congress, Bill Gates has change of heart, Micro$oft, IBM, Sun gives half profits to charity ($5billion). Scrooge OSS developers only give $3million, 80% of their profits.
/. peeps post "Uhhhhh, well it must be a Govt. conspiracy to make OSS illegal by *some far-fetched science-fiction reasoning*
Nice, maybe things should simply stay this way.
A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
When you mailbomb your congressman, it just takes away your credibility.
i say we burn disney world to the ground, starting with that small world piece of shit.
they just need to inform the old people no more taping matlock and see how long he lasts at election time
http://www.wickedtoast.com
Violates the first ammendment my dick.
A paid advertisement is a paid advertisement.
Well, he certainly found a way around death...
For instance, there are laws that regulate deceptive advertising. If advertising is protected by the first ammendment, this would be unconstitutional too. :P
Check this out if you want to see Gateway's stance on the whole deal.
Senator Hollings (D-SC) will introduce new legislation mandating the use of fuzzy monochrome monitors on all new personal computers "to prevent sicko perverts from enjoying themselves."
The legislation, which will be known as the "God Bless our Beloved USA Bill", originallly outlawed monitors altogether, but was modified by Sen. Hollings in an attempt to "work with the tech sector".
(in the voice of Mr. Burns) Excellent..
The issue ad provisions are the most upsetting to me.
Is there a +5 Flamebait?
From the article...
...would encourage consumers to hold on to their older computers rather than buy new models that restricted their activities.
If consumers stopped buying the fastest and the best, programmers would be forced to truly optimize code and reduce bloat to increase functionality in their programs. It might be a good thing if the pace of hardware upgrades and speedups went down for a while...
COST OF ENFORCEMENT is the ONLY too keep this dead.
... and possibly the only "new" industry created would be "photo shops" to "develop" (e.g. brand) digitally produced media for play.
(The COST of...)
Jobs moved (politically "lost") overseas as Sony et al can't build the international version of any product here and there is no point in running separate factories.
Content Companies having to make two copies of every movie and CD if they want to sell to their core market (the people who BUY movies have BOUGHT movies and wont want to lose that investment) so now a movie is compeeting with itself for shelf space. First MPAA or RIAA member to break ranks and still produce the old format (non DRM media isn't outlawed, just making players that can play it without DRM) starts a war.
More customs officers.
The huge government-machine to processess applications to bring new/revised hardware and software to market.
The cost of making the new products and the old products as the deadline approaches.
The cost of finding all thost linux-terrorists who are out making CD of linux.
Cost
Loss
Budget
and
Expense
These are the only ways to make something like this become and stay dead. Present the fincial cost in terms of lost constituents and spent government and industry dollars.
Also Consider: "Dear Sony America Inc. The [current name of bill] will render your nice line of digital cameras and video recorders illegal. Said recorders will have to have the DRM branding technology built into them in order to let the customer produce movies and stills they can play back. That makes these devices "cimcumvention devices" as per the DMCA because a home user could use these devices to brand pirated digital content. If you want sell digital cameras to your customers you must oppose this [current name of bill]."
REMEMBER: COST
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
Trolls are !mythological... They are the ones who come in to my office the day before a deadline and rewrites half my codebase _without_leaving_so_much_as_a_breadcrumb_of_eviden ce_ on my desk.
I just think that if we respect them, the trolls, they might leave us alone, and we will all have a better chance to pull off what the marketing troll promised the client in the first place.
But that can't happen until 2004. So for now we must go after those who must run in 2002. Top of that list should be Adam Schiff, who led the effort to start similar efforts in the House. Schiff is a new Representative, so his constituents have no seniority investment in him. If we can't defeat Schiff, then we should just admit we have no power at all.
The only Senate co-sponsor who stands for election in 2002 is Ted Stevens of Alaska. Can anyone post information on his opponents?
Why, I offered several helpful suggestions in my letters to my senators:
I suggested that protections for fair use rights be written into the bill (appending a copy of the Digital Consumer Bill of Rights as a proposed model), and that the penalties for infringing those rights be made equivalent to those for copyright violation.
I suggested that, to insure that the new standard did not unduly impair independent publishing, the requirements for the final standard would have to include a complete lack of patent, copyright, or trade secret encumbrances.
I think I forgot to suggest that CPR teams be dispatched to watch Jack Valenti, Hilary Rosen, and Bill Gates before the new version of the bill was released for public comment. I can only hope that one of the staffers realized this necessity in time.
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
From what I've heard about the way things are run around his office, that's debatable.
/brian
Strom Thurmond was a Democrat and he and his southern democrats pulled out of the Democratic convention because Harry Truman refused to turn over on the Civil Rights platform.
Thurmond ran as a 3rd party candidate called the Dixiecrats and almost gave the election to republican Thomas Dewey.
My father is a blogger.
I know someone who worked hard on episode 2.. and I don't think he supports this bill at all. The people in the movie industry who want it are the people who control distribution, not the people who create the content.
Are you new to computers?
"It seems like there's a groundswell of support from regular users."
WTF? We're not taxpayers, we're not citizens, we're not people, we're 'users'!?!?! That's like one step from dropping all pretense and calling us 'consumers'. Even though this is good news, that one phrase sends shivers of terror down my spine.
Who moderates the meta-moderators?
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.
What kind of logic is that?
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Terrorist Al-Fadim speaking about the terrorist attacks on America in the last few months, "If only the Americans would try and help us, we could destroy the Great Satan so much quicker."
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
"We should go after Hollings by encouraging the geeks of South Carolina to hold him accountable for these bills in every public forum they can find."
Going after Hollings is going to be more difficult than you guys think. Hollings and Thurmond have been Senators here in SC since before I was born. He's a legacy and a tradition in a State where tradition is important (that's why Thurmond has been reelected all these years when he can't even go to the bathroom by himself anymore). Furthermore, he's very well connected and has all the right people supporting him. While it's certainly possible that he could be defeated, I think it's unlikely.
Sadly, South Carolina has one of the most poorly educated pool of voters in the union. They don't really pay attention to the news or anything, and the issues that become election issues are usually petty and stupid. If you try to tell Joe Sixpack in SC that the Entertainment industry is lobbying to require digital rights management built into all consumer electronic devices, not only will Mr. Sixpack not understand a word of what you're saying, he won't care anyway.
As for the geeks, well, there aren't very many. South Carolina doesn't have any big population centers like Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee do, so we don't have a huge tech sector. Most of the geeks that do live here are fairly apolitical. They're like the geeks you see on Slashdot who talk about boycotting the MPAA and then go out and buy shitloads of DVDs.
I'm not trying to rain on your parades. Yeah, Hollings should go, and I might be willing to live with the slimebag who takes his place. Y'all just need to understand that voting out Fritz Hollings is a pretty sizeable task.
Steve
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'Nuff said.
The only "argument" I've heard to support this joke is that "soft money does not equal free speech"
Well, I'd like to see anyone do any kind of speech without money and be heard by more than people within earshot or those few diehards who care about your obscure 'blog.
I would vote for NO RESTRICTIONS on campaign finance whatsoever, but full disclosure and let God, er, the electorate sort 'em out. At least that way, you know who was bought and paid for and by whom.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
And my girlfriend was really looking forward to finally having her digital vibrator secure.
today is spelling optional day.
None of this is about piracy. Media companies want to eventually be able to charge us every time we want to listen to anything copyrighted by them. The whole thing with piracy is merely an excuse for strong controls to be implemented. Once they have total legal rights(Which obviously wont stop piracy) over what we're allowed to watch or listen to, the world will become pay-per-view.
one small step for the consumer.
with many more to go to keep this thing down.
hopefuly it will go down like the information deceny act of 96.
someone needs to draft something that would prohibit such laws.
If this bill passes.. honestly, is anybody here going to actually listen to it? It's like sex laws... in some states, oral sex is illegal. But does anybody actually care? No. At most, you have a couple of ultrapatriotic rednecks who wouldn't know a keyboard from a shotgun saying, "Don't be burnin' them thar CDs!" I know that if the the CBDTPA passes, doesn't mean my MP3 collection is going to stop growing.
Sure, there are some new hastles for programmers and programs that can be written.. but wait... through the magic of the internet, we can all of a sudden become "anonymous!" And if your newly illegal program is worth half a shit, it'll be all over the place within seconds! w00t!
> I always have wondered about the actual effect that talking/writing to your representitives has had. It seems like, at least in this case, the decision against it was based almost entirely around citizen outrage. ... [petree:#3319491]
This is a real demonstration of the power that large group of people, living in a democratic society, can actually impart on their government. We all know it doesn't happen that often. We've all seen scary bills come up - and pass, again and again. Just like that. Done. New law. More restrictions. Your life is now different. More words in the books to prevent what you can do - as a citizen - legally. Forced into submission. Why these new laws? Here's your answer: Lobbyists.
We just sit there an let it happen. The lobbyists are paid to sweet-talk out lawmakers. Tell them it's 'A good idea for the people', 'it's the right thing to do' or that 'this will protect the good people; the god-fearing, law abiding, tax-paying citizens, from the scum of the earth - the good ones are the people you're working for sir.'
These lawmakers listen to them - the lobbyists - BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES SPEAKING!!!
People - if there's a law out there you don't like - do something people have been doing for hundreds of years. Do something very simple. Tell that person that makes the laws that you don't like what they are doing. Be honest with your lawmaker (in writing - handwritten) and tell them what you think. Just express your opinion. Takes 10 minutes (or longer - if you'd like). Get out a piece of paper and a pen. Blank page - but don't be scared. You can do this - even if you never have before.
This is what our government is really about, remember? They are called "Representatives." Remember that word? You learned it in 4th grade - when Mrs. Crabapple told you about the various branches of government, and the checks and balances, and the lifecycle of something called a "bill." Ok think back to that. These people are representatives - that we elect - to us in the house of government. They represennt us - but they need to know how we feel!
Forget the government you know of today. The one where things just happen and it feels like you have no control. These people are supposed to be representing you..... No - not the YOUr city, or the YOUr county, or YOUr voting district.... You as in YOU [insert your name here] - an individual. A person with thoughts and feelings, with bills to pay, with kids to take to soccer practice, with laws to abide by. You are the ones that matter. You are the ones that pay the bills - pay their salary! They better listen to you.
>Now is not the time to get complacent. That will doom us more than anything else. Keep sending those letters, making those phone calls, and talking with friends and colleagues. If we can get their attention by doing what we've done so far, we can do much more if we take this to the next level.[SomeoneYouDontKnow:#3319793]
Who makes these laws?
Lobbyists make these laws and they think they are protecting you. Often they are. But more than often - they have NO IDEA ABOUT THE LAWS THEY ARE INTRODUCING. And who's the expert? - you. You're obviously concerned about it? Right?............. Well then.....<nudgeNudge> go ahead. Tell him. (or her) Do it in writing and encourage others to do the same!
Ok - now. Remember that paper and pen you got out? Right. Now set them down in front of you - ok... Now write on the paper - in nice, neat letters: "Dear <insert your representative's name here>,"
Good start. Now - tell him (or her - please rinse/repeat ther "her" thing throughout) which bill he has recently introduced that you will be refering to, why, or what parts of his decision you may support, OR would support his decision IF <insert modified clause here>, then tell him the things you don't like about it. Continue with how such a bill, if introduced, would change the way you live, would limit your freedoms, or would cause you undue stress or unfair setbacks. Plead with them to reconsider the bill in it's current state and to either drop it alltogether or modify certain clauses to cause you less distress or potential problems. What we all need to do is share our views with our representatives when we hear about a bill we don't want passed. I have alway thought that I wouldn't have much of an impact on my government decision-makers because I am only one person - one voice - on letter of angst. But obviously, as we've seen tonight, the common man can make a difference - IF HE SPEAKS LOUDLY ENOUGH. Raise a hussy. Tell them you don't like it! Be honest - it's your governement too!
Heck - even if they end up passing the law - too much big money pressure - you can at least make them feel guilty about it. I know - the torture we put these guys through :) Just remember - they are supposed to be working for us - not JUST big money. Remind them of that. Give them your sob story. --AND DO IT IN HANDWRITING--
Yes --DO IT IN HANDWRITING--
Tell them you don't like their law. Tell them you know lots of other people in your comunity, or at work, or at PTA meetings, that feel the same way (if such a thing is true). Just be honest and put down what you'd like to say to them. Dont' be rude. Be civil and professional and express yourself in writing your feelings about their bill. (or about someone elses bill they will be voting on).
If you've got somthing to say - fscking say it. Express your disapproval. Write your representatives. 10 minutes and a stamp. Take a night off of watching one TV show. (It's empowering to do something useful - for you and your country/county/state/whatever instead of watching advertisements and listening to laugh tracks).
If you think that just one person can't have a big impact, try going to bed with a mosquito.
Hollings has been in the Senate since 1966!
I can understand the importance of keeping experience in office for your state, but someone has got to get the message to Holliings it is not cool to take away our rights. Its hard to believe someone who has built up a reputation for so long could sell out to large corporate interests. We need to reach him and ask him for help.
But knowing doesn't help anything! Since all politicians accept money from corporations and vote accordingly, you can't hold it against any of them.
And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start
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1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.
The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.
"Sen. Hollings says he stands for American values but he tries to bring Big Brother into your house. Sen. Hollings says that big government should intrude into seeing what you watch and listen to on your television, computer, and stereo system."
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Where the fuck are these people coming from? Most professions have at least an implicit minimum IQ - a floor below which you just don't go. I think for webmasters, it's a ceiling, but it's way below where the floor should be."that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
The purpose of campaign money is to buy ads, primarily television ads. Television ads are done to influence voters.
Politicians mostly run for office to make a difference. They believe that they can make things better. Most contributions come from people that simply LIKE where the Congressman stands. Those that believe in strong IP laws are likely to get lots of money from industry leaders that want strong IP laws. Why? Because they need 51 (really 60) Senators to support strong IP laws, and losing 1 is a mistake. Sure when you give money to the Ted Kennedy's or other shoe-ins its really about saying you care, not about office, but even there the corruption is less than you think. When you give money to the big boy's campaigns, they don't have to listen to you, as you have nothing on them. All donations REALLY do is buy access, the Senator NEEDS to take the call from the big money people. He doesn't need to vote their way (but if he angers them, he won't get money next time), but he needs to listen.
The most important thing for a congressman or senator to do is please the people. The Presidency is about mobilizing the party, but congressional elections can swing on the silliest things. Realize that only 50% of the registered voters vote in presidential elections, what percentage votes in Congressional elections? 30%? 45? Particularly midterm elections.
Assuming that the party bases are equally energized, they wash, leaving you to win or lose based upon the whims of those few independants. Angering people to get dollars isn't the good plan.
Close elections are REALLY close when you realize that about 2/3s of the voters are members of a party and vote mostly for their party... a 3% margin is a lot more significant when you realize that only 30% - 45% of the vote is in play.
Alex
Send the price of admission to him instead. :)
Rockwalrus
The sleep of reason produces monsters -- Francisco Goya
At least is was last time I looked. 20% of the chamber can challenge a voice vote, it's pretty small. In the House isn't done by electronic ballot, in the Senate it's a Roll Call.
However, his point is valid, Congress as a whole can do unpopular things that way, but you really need Congress to ALL want political cover.
Alex
"wenn Sie glücklich sind und Sie es kennen, sprechen Sie Deutsches!"
... wenn sie Deutsches spreches, und Sie glücklich sind, und sie es kennen, was denn?
... hehe :-)
Hmm
Nein, ich habe kein deutch geschreiben die letzten sechs yahre
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
This isn't the first time a major piece of legislation has been defeated early. Our highly esteemed Congressmen have a long and storied history of reintroducing previously defeated measures without telling anyone about it, or even worse, tacking noxious legislation onto the end of completely unrelated bills as "amendments". The CDBTPA is by no means dead, only this iteration of it. So Hollings couldn't get the thing passed as a bill of its own. I would bet my left kidney and firstborn child that in a few months, he'll slowly start introducing key parts of it into other bills up for discussion.
People, this thing is not dead, and unless we keep on top of it, going far beyond media coverage (they never report amendments as far as I can tell), we could see every single item of the CDBTPA as law within a few years. Keep vigilant.
Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.
Can't he get it into his thick head we do not want anything like this bill and in fact want to roll back copyright rather than see it roll over us? The arrogance of Senator 'show me Disney Money' Hollings is unbelievable
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While it's certainly a victory *for* the people, it isn't a victory *of* the people. The tech industry - primarily hardware manufacturers - were opposed to the bill. They have *alot* more money than the RIAA and MPAA and therefore a greater amount of clout with our politicians.
The side with the most money won. As usual.
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
If money is speech then we should be able to print our own. Wait, that's counterfeiting!
Why should the rich be able to have more "free speech" than the poor? I don't think that's what our founding fathers wanted. (Sure, you had to have property to vote, but those with less property didn't get any less of a vote.)
Overstated by who ? The press *are* media conglumerates. Besides, the real problem is the control the PR industry has on the press. It's cheaper to print the stories sent in by the PR guys whose salary is paid for by the corporations they work for than it is to pay journalists to actually do anything. When television news covers anything related to an industry, the footage is largely assembled from segments sent in by those with a vested interest in telling a particular story.
You really need to read "Toxic sludge is good for you" to see just how messed up our media is.
http://rareformnewmedia.com/
He still doesn't even come close to Sen. Stevens (R-Alaska) - $451 million, or Sen. Inouye (D-Hawaii) at $432 million. That's nearly $1 BILLION dollars of unnecessary government spending, unless, of course, you happen to live in Alaska or Hawaii.
The irony being that the US bent the rules (actually with Alaska they simply bent them, with Hawaii they repeatedly broke them) in order to expand the size of the US post WWII.
Oh, yeah, with the emphasis on 'build systems'. You're allowed to build your own motherboard, with your own home-made CPU, and your own home-made IO subsystems, as long as you dont do it for profit. If you've got a few billion dollars I expect you could do that.
If you, however, want to write a program that can resample and re-encode, sure you can do that. Only, no hardware or OS will exist that will allow your program to run, because it will be illegal to build systems that allow bypassing of the security, such as re-encoding.
The draconian aspect of the law doesnt become apparent until you understand the only way it can be implemented. Any device can be programmed to bypass copying restrictions until you go all the way with DRM included in the hardware complete with cryptographic handshakes between OS, BIOS and various hardware like CPU, disks, display and audio devices. To ensure the restrictions cannot be bypassed the various components have to verify integrity of eachother and any integrity failure would render the system unable to boot. The OS would have separate hooks for reading and writing protected files, and no uncertified program would be allowed to access devices from which protected data could be read.
Linux wouldnt be able to run at all. You cannot guarantee the integrity of Linux, thus is would be illegal to ship hardware that will allow it to run. If you're a programmer, you wouldnt be able to write programs that access protected media (directly), or the OS vendor wouldnt be able to guarantee rights management. Sure, you wouldnt be convicted for writing a program that can resample and reencode, but anyone selling a system that will allow you to write such a program will be convicted.
I don't like Negroes. Do you?
Here is what I sent them:
Gentlemen,
I am a computer professionnal, being active in the field of software development and IT administration since 1979. Although I am not an American citizen, I would like to comment on the CBDPTA being studied by your committee.
This innovative bill, by crippling the ability of the U.S. computer industry to freely introduce innovative technology, will tremenduously favourize the (rest of the) world computer industry. Imposing limits on computer systems that would be illegal in many countries is a sure way to insure that the rest of the world computer industry will finally catch-up and leave in the dust the U.S. computer industry.
The other 95% of the world will be eternally grateful to the (comparatively) minuscule Hollywood movie industry for having the much bigger U.S. computer industry ground to a halt by having to spend a significant portion of their ressources just to comply with the CBDPTA.
Most other industries (those who use computers) will also benefit, as their U.S. counterparts will be hindered by less performing computers that are hobbled both in cost and performance by their expensive content monitoring "features", thus making them less efficient than their unencumbered foreign counterparts.
Another foreign industry that shall benefit will undoubtely the illegal drug industry, as it will be easier to ship illegal drugs to the United States as the U.S. Customs service will undoubtely be very busy searching for illegal computer contraband.
Please do consider the passage of this Act, as the world's computer industry needs a reprieve from the very innovative U.S. computer industry.
Thank-you.
I think the word you're looking for is 'Favour' (Or to use the U.S. spelling, 'Favor')
It's as bad as 'Burglarize' instead of 'Burgle' and my pet hate, the use of 'Leverage' as a verb, rather than 'Lever'.
Whew. I guess I can delay moving to Canada by a few months, at least. But now's not the time to become complacent.
Now is the time to start writing your Senators and Representatives and tell them it's time to codify precisely what the copyright bargain means as copyright is applied to today's media. Make sure the new copyright laws define fair use as well as protect consumers' rights to format-shifting. Alert them to the problem of the stagnant public domain due to the constant extension by Congressional act of copyright terms.
I, for one, intend to draw heavily on some of Lawrence Lessig's ideas. Let's move the written word and recordings to the exponential renewal system -- where if you want to hold it 100 years, you can , but the renewal fee grows exponentially every 5 years. Software distributed without source code should be subject to holding source code in escrow and subject to a short term -- say, 10 years -- at which point the source code, along with the software it produces, should become public domain.
The best defense against more CBDTPA-style legislation is a good offense.
From what I've heard about his female staffers, at least some parts of him aren't dead...
You cannot guarantee the integrity of Linux, thus is would be illegal to ship hardware that will allow it to run.
You're right; closed source OSes don't have security holes, or programs like fake cd. There'd be no way you could compromise the integrity of Windows for example.
Lets be real here, Linux won't be illegal b/c its open source, b/c the existance of programs like fake cd prove taht you can do the same things with a closed source OS.
If I had Moderator status right now, I'd hope for a [+0 uummmm....] moderator rating
You provide an interesting point. SHOULD the bill become law, 'media resamplers' might become a fast moving market and hopefully leave the RIAA with their pants down around their ankles.
However, on the flip side, I don't think I want to open that Pandora's Box. I'd rather not see the bill pass at all.
There are no DRM controlled OS's today, nor any hardware really (except certain bank crypto processors that work according to similar principles of multilevel crypto and verification). That will change with if the law forbids the sales of non-DRM controlled hardware and software.
With DRM, there will be no way you could compromise the integrity of Windows. The hardware would check that the OS wasnt compromised before booting at all. Sure you can go ahead and hack it. Only your computer wont boot because the BIOS no longer gets the right handshake. Go ahead, flash in a hacked BIOS, only now your CPU wouldnt even start executing the BIOS since the BIOS couldnt handshake right. Stick a hacked CPU in it, and your northbridge will deny the CPU access to memory.
No, Linux wont be illegal. It will only be illegal to build and sell a machine that can run it. Of course, it will be illegal to build and sell a machine that runs any version of Windows up to date too, but do you really think Microsoft would be upset about having to sell everyone a new version again?
APRIL FOOLS !!!
The GRDPA (Game Release Date Protection Act)
No game company shall set a release date and or promote a product that is over 6 months away from actual release or not in an open beta. This includes but is not limited to concepts, screenshots, reviews, previews, dev chats, and any other form of hype designed to have people waiting to buy the product YEARS before it will ever be released.
quoth the post
No, Linux wont be illegal. It will only be illegal to build and sell a machine that can run it. Of course, it will be illegal to build and sell a machine that runs any version of Windows up to date too, but do you really think Microsoft would be upset about having to sell everyone a new version again?
i bet M$ would have a horrible problem selling everyone a new version of windows since they hold the patent on DRM-OS... then again the problem would be they hurt themself carrying all those bags of money
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I think they did ban them. Still, if you have the money, just buy one anyway, and when they arrest you plead the first ammendment. It would be an interesting test case, and you can bet someone will do it (though maybe not quite so blantently.
Do you seriously think that Microsoft is capable of producing a system that has tight enough security to prevent somebody from breaking their DRM scheme? If they released such a thing, within a week someone will discover that a buffer-overrun bug in drm.dll or some such thing lets you hack the DRM scheme to disable it or bypass it.
I was pleasantly surprised to see the Libertarian Party release a press release entitled "New copyright protection bill would turn government into entertainment 'rent-a-cop'" talking about the CBDTPA, and basically pounding a million holes in it, in typical libertarian-style.
I just noticed that the party is also yelling about the campaign finance reform law. Cool.
If you're seriously upset about the way that government is being run and the laws that are being passed, by all means get involved. The only way we're going to win this is by getting the people passing these laws out of office. Take an active stance on issues. Let you congressmen know how you feel. Consider running for office yourself (yes you can do that) or helping with a campaign, even if it just a local office or state senator/representative, etc..
Personally, I've found that the Libertarian party is the closest to how I do about the way things should be run - specifically that the government should keep their noses out of our lives. Their views may or may not be in line with yours. Do some research and figure out where you feel you're making a contribution. But get involved. If all you do is gripe on slashdot every once in a while you're not making an impact.
You're insane. They both have tremendous areas of disagreement. Their areas of agreement are largely to product businesses that America dominates despite Slashdot users desires to get for free.
Areas of disagreement: abortion, affirmative action, tax policies, UN funding, and some disagreements on trade policies.
Sometimes they put aside ideology when they pragmatically believe that they are doing what is in the best interest of the Republic.
Give me a break.
Alex
It probably wont be airtight. It would likely include automatic patching tho, so... well, if you disable the DRM system, again, the BIOS wont boot the OS. You might be able to bypass it through bugs, but the next time you connect to the internet you'll be patched, so such a hole will be temporary. And, again, if you try to disable the autopatching, your OS will stop booting.
It will probably never be completely airtight, but it will get painful enough that almost nobody will hack it. Digital satellite recievers and the newer game consoles are a precursor to what you are going to see, and while it's still possible to modify those, fewer and fewer people are even trying to for every generation. Once you get to the point where you have to make shady deals with a friend-of-a-friend and buy your own $1000 soldering equipment to replace the chips that form the foundation of the DRM tech, most people give up.
Nobody but the RIAA/MPAA wants systems like this. It will easily hike the price of a PC by several hundred dollars, if not more, and turn it into a glorified digital decoding device for media playing rather than what it is today. Which is why they try to push it legally, because neither the consumers or the IT industry wants it.
They at least understand that there's no way they can pretend this isn't happening. the senate judiciary committee's on public comments section
*begin counterrant/karmadeath*
*begin sarcasm*
The general public seems to believe that it's "Osama Bin Laden" and "The Taliban" that have upset voters and
citizens with these terrorist acts. I would just like to remind people that both institutions are composed
of people such as the person reading my post. Both are operated by normal people with normal lives
like yourselves.
My point is that "losing faith" in the government means losing faith in all people, even youself; [sic] in which
case everyone is a baby-killing terrorist. Osama and the Taliban themselves are not evil, nor are most of
their workers. Please disprove lack of faith in "the peaceable intentions" of other people by not violating the
rules of the people, so that those who are (sometimes unintelligibly) put into power don't have to commit new and
uninformed acts.
The parent post got modded 5:Insightful? Oh come on!
I don't have to disprove nothing, I know damn well that Michael Eisner does not lead "a normal life". Nobody who has power over millions of other people leads a "normal life". WTF is a "normal life" anyway?
I don't have a lot of faith in our government because intelligent and rational decisions are a rare commodity from that direction.
I don't have a lot of faith in corporations because, to be frank, the business model that the corporate world
lives by is a bunch of fricaseed unintelligible goo on the level of Cobol and the management techniques are like something out of a Hollywood film from the '70s (hey!). Individuals in both gropus do stand out, occasionally, as being outstanding individuals, but it's not the "norm".
If the Senate would like to prove that they are not restrictive, they should kick Hollings and his cronies out
and decree that Paid For Frivolous and Destructive bills and Slip-It-In-Baby Bill Riders are punishable by exile to Lower Slobovia. (or, hey, China!)
grumble grumble grumble
Glad I got that off my chest, gimme another beer
*end counterrant/karmadeath*
This is just another ploy by media companies to quietly slip another version of the SSSCA into law. While we might think that this bill has failed to pass public opinion, the EVIL press will screw us over. The only way we can stop these laws from being passed is by the forceful removal of power from those who want to pass them.
"Purple unicorns ate my baby" is not true, whether people believed it and acted accordingly or not. After all, everyone knows that the dingoes at my baby.
"US democracy is a crock of shit" is not true, but it would be if everybody believed it and acted accordingly.
Let's not stir that bag of worms...
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Put your money where your mouth is
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If they do mandate this crap, we can just boycott the new equipment and keep using the old. So new CDs won't play in CD drives. Fine, I just hook a CD player up to my computer and POOF, rip to MP3, no problem. There's nothing they can do to stop someone who's bound and determined. It's just a visciuous cycle that won't stop until they stop trying to dictate what we can do with our own equipment.