Capitalism may not always work right the first time...but with this much demand, yes, it will work eventually.
Uh yeah, right...
Just like the huge demand for music drove down the prices all those decades...
Demand for movies drove down prices at theaters and DVDs, right?
And lets not forget OSes. Everyone needs OSes, right? Those are BY FAR the cheapest softwares widely used, right?
Don't kid yourself. A huge demand doesn't imply b) really get cheeper.
(Although I think it will get somewhat moreso, of course)
I know i'll get flamed for my comments here, but here goes (YES I know I am taking these out of context, it is intentional!):
...When they see this stuff, they start to form opinions...
Since when is this such a bad thing? My parents (highly religious) took this parenting attitude about many things where "forming your own oppinions" were "MetaModded down" as it were. I feel it was one of the most controlling, oppressive actions they could have taken. See below...
...Without guidance, these opinions can be off base...
opinion
n 1: a personal belief that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Haiti?" [syn: sentiment, persuasion, view, thought]
----
(Shamelessly plagerized from here)
The excessive forceful application of a person (or parents)opinion on another is a real shame... My ability to think and form opinions for myself is my most treasured properties. Though my opinions my be offbase sometimes, so can yours. let your kids THINK!
This is pure nonsense. There are about 6 different versions of Reloaded floating about online but all the ones I've seen are Telesyncs.
There aren't any screener versions or similar online yet... believe me, I'd have looked!
At the end of the day, I can't imagine any Matrix fans are going to download the movie rather than seeing it on the big screen and/or buying the DVD.
Centropy version is damn good. No heads, voices, etc. True TSync, hi SVCD quality. Almost as good as a screener. Not a thing to knock about it, though.
That one is probably the best of 5 or 6 versions available, of which i have watched 2 others (saw apm and esoteric versions as well).
The funniest thing was reading the article (http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:ndMnHLKK9rAJ:www.silicon.com/news/500019/1/4168.html%3Fet%3Dse arch+have+seen+files+named+Temple+said+articulated +that+MPAA+seen+a+file+on+the+internet+that+actual ly+sequel&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) stating that no real copies of Matrix were online, while I was downloading my 2nd complete, working copy. heh
Anyone saying that "I can't imagine any Matrix fans..." obviously hasn't seen the releases that are available.
just like if a fireman pulls a victim from a burning building s/he's a hero, but if John Q. Passerby tries to help he's arrested for tresspassing.
Want to show a case proving this? Even vaguely?
Withint the last two weeks here in Miami Florida, there were two seperate instances of this on the news.
In one, a man jumped up(!) to a burning second story building to rescue a trapped dog that was barking for help.
In the second, a man rescued a person.
In both cases, they were arrested, and it made the local news. Now admittedly, they may (and probably will) be aquitted, but this is not the point.
Standardized tests measure very well the ability to solve standardized tests. The question is - can they measure anything else?
Of course they can!
I always score near the top of these tests, 1480 sat, similar top scores in ASVAB, PSATs, MENSA test, etc.
This doesn't mean that i'm "smarter" than most others (my spelling is horrible and degrading rapidly), but I must point out that it is always people who test average or below (or, in general, are unsatisfied with the results of thier own tests) who make these statements, or say that it only tests "test taking" ability, or "book smarts".
I am "sorry" to say this (*), but there is really something fundamental about people that these tests do differentiate. I agree that exactly what that fundamental property is may be hard to determine and exactly define, but it is there, and it is far more than the ability to take a standardized test. I see it in my own life everyday.
-dave-
(*)Sorry as in, sorry that nature and evolution are cruel. I, however, am not cruel, so don't get too upset by this post. =)
[QUOTE]
You guys assert that P2P can somehow replace the current function of RIAA. Maybe, but probably not in the form that it exists today on Kazaa and numerous other networks, and you certainly have not demonstrated it. P2P has been around for a couple years now and yet you'd be hard pressed to point to a single major artist that can really credit their success to these services. Record sales may be slumping today, but up and coming artists are still signing with major record labels by and large, despite the existance of the P2P that you claim makes the industry irrelevant. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say...NOT?
[/QUOTE]
Recall that RIAA didn't appear in 2 years, nor did it generate its power over that time. It took decades for that power and exploitation system to arise.
Here are some that are getting noticed, through p2p.
Generally, they do not have to pay a massive price (through lost profits, etc) for recognition and distribution of their music. It seems to be working QUITE well for them, as well!
...The basis for the decision appears to be the distinction that these "true p2p networks" do not rely on central index servers run from that companies computers.
In addition, the momentary potential for liability existed when the software was transferred from the Company to the User, and then if the Company should have reason to believe that the user will use it for infringing uses. As this information is not available to the Company at the time of software transfer to the User, they were not liable.
Furthurmore, liability does not exist because "those comanies could shut their doors and turn off their computers, and the respective etworks would still work fine."
Quoting from the judgement
"Napster possessed the ability to
monitor and control its network, and routinely exercised its ability
to exclude particular users from it. id. In a virtual sense,
the "premises" of the infringement were the Napster network i teelf
and Napster had a duty to exercise its reserved right and ability to
police those premises to the fullest extent possible- The client
software was an essential component of the integrated Napster system,
and Napster s obligation to police necessarily extended to the client
software itself.
Such is not the case here- Defendants provide software that
communicates across networks that are entirely outside Defendants
control.
Another *very important* point:
Although it may be possible that a new version of morpheus could have been written (by streamcast) that excluded the ability to locate files with a given fingerprint (a given SHA1, for instance), they would not be required to do so as the content was not being indexed or hosted via that Company's systems.
To quote again:
"However, whether these safeguards are practicable is immaterial
to this analysis, as the obligation to \\police" arises only where a
defendant has the "right and abilityfl to supervise the infrinqing
conduc t . See NaDster , 239 F. 3d at 1023; Fonovisa , 76 F. 3d at 262.
Plaintiffs' argument - that Defendants could do more to limit the
functionali ty of their software with respect to copyrighted works forgets the critical distinction, broached above, between the Napster
systemH and the software distributed by Defendants."
In the case of Grokster , the network is the propriety
FastTrack network, which is clearly not controlled by Defendant
Grokster. In the case of StreamCast, the network is Gnutella , the
open- source nature of which apparently places it outside the control
of any single entity."
This is an important decision, which could affect the path of p2p development, and my personal livelihood.
Once again, a very satisfied and relieved
-dave-
I am *SO* relieved to see a ruling for this case where the technological issues were not so opaque to the judge as to render his verdict senseless.
Of course, an appeal is sure to follow, but today was a great victory.
Thanks EFF! Thanks go out to all the persons and entities (Eff, Limewire, BearShare, etc) that donated time, money, resources, and effort to the assist the defendants in this landmark case.
From article: [Quote] Here's how the scam works: The default passwords that SBC issues to new users of their voicemail services are in a specific format and are easily guessed.
If the default password is not changed after the system is set up, it's ripe for exploitation by malicious hackers, who have been breaking into SBC voicemail systems and replacing the owners' recorded greetings with recordings of a voice saying "yes" at appropriate intervals. [/Quote]
[quote]
Nerd: "I developed technology to download porn one million times faster."
Marge: "Does anyone really need that much porn?"
Homer: "(salivating noise) Ahhhhhhhh million times faster"
[/quote]
What an amazingly weak argument! Is _everyone_ supposed to be an arm of the law. People receiving unemployment benefits, people on welfare, people who drive on the interstate roads, people with federally-backed home loans and bank accounts, and on and on, all should become the enforcers of copyright violations by others? Perhaps you should rethink your position.
Reminds me of the "Red Army" in China, doesn't it?
See here for more about the Red Army.
This is not something that should be allowed by US citizens. It must be fought at all costs!
-dave-
Use BearShare for all your p2p, movie, and MP3 needs!
''Developers aren't helping the "U.S. go to war with Iraq" they're developing software.''
Funny you should mention this!
And yet my (US) government regularly bombards me with "Anti-drug" or "infect-truth" commercials on radio and television which routinely accuse *me* of actively supporting terrorism when I purchase some joints, or accuse me of "helping to murder this family" (with picture of Mom, Dad, and Child face down on floor, etc)
I guess propeganda is only allowed to be one-way, right?
-dave-
I remember reading about this phenomenon a LONG time ago!
Here is the first book I remember reading that mentioned it. The Secret of Terror Castle (Three Investigators, No 1)
Slashdot Mirror
I've been looking for people like you awhile... (sigh)
-dave-
Demand for movies drove down prices at theaters and DVDs, right?
And lets not forget OSes. Everyone needs OSes, right? Those are BY FAR the cheapest softwares widely used, right?
Don't kid yourself. A huge demand doesn't imply b) really get cheeper.
(Although I think it will get somewhat moreso, of course)
Since when is this such a bad thing? My parents (highly religious) took this parenting attitude about many things where "forming your own oppinions" were "MetaModded down" as it were. I feel it was one of the most controlling, oppressive actions they could have taken. See below...
opinionn 1: a personal belief that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Haiti?" [syn: sentiment, persuasion, view, thought] ---- (Shamelessly plagerized from here)
The excessive forceful application of a person (or parents)opinion on another is a real shame... My ability to think and form opinions for myself is my most treasured properties. Though my opinions my be offbase sometimes, so can yours. let your kids THINK!
-dave-
Centropy version is damn good. No heads, voices, etc. True TSync, hi SVCD quality. Almost as good as a screener. Not a thing to knock about it, though.
That one is probably the best of 5 or 6 versions available, of which i have watched 2 others (saw apm and esoteric versions as well).
The funniest thing was reading the article (http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:ndMnHLKK9rAJ :www.silicon.com/news/500019/1/4168.html%3Fet%3Dse arch+have+seen+files+named+Temple+said+articulated +that+MPAA+seen+a+file+on+the+internet+that+actual ly+sequel&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) stating that no real copies of Matrix were online, while I was downloading my 2nd complete, working copy. heh
Anyone saying that "I can't imagine any Matrix fans..." obviously hasn't seen the releases that are available.
-dave-
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In one, a man jumped up(!) to a burning second story building to rescue a trapped dog that was barking for help.
In the second, a man rescued a person.
In both cases, they were arrested, and it made the local news. Now admittedly, they may (and probably will) be aquitted, but this is not the point.
-dave-
Use BearShare for all your p2p needs!
Of course they can!
I always score near the top of these tests, 1480 sat, similar top scores in ASVAB, PSATs, MENSA test, etc.
This doesn't mean that i'm "smarter" than most others (my spelling is horrible and degrading rapidly), but I must point out that it is always people who test average or below (or, in general, are unsatisfied with the results of thier own tests) who make these statements, or say that it only tests "test taking" ability, or "book smarts".
I am "sorry" to say this (*), but there is really something fundamental about people that these tests do differentiate. I agree that exactly what that fundamental property is may be hard to determine and exactly define, but it is there, and it is far more than the ability to take a standardized test. I see it in my own life everyday.
-dave-
(*)Sorry as in, sorry that nature and evolution are cruel. I, however, am not cruel, so don't get too upset by this post. =)
Recall that RIAA didn't appear in 2 years, nor did it generate its power over that time. It took decades for that power and exploitation system to arise.
Here are some that are getting noticed, through p2p.
Generally, they do not have to pay a massive price (through lost profits, etc) for recognition and distribution of their music. It seems to be working QUITE well for them, as well!
Check them out here!
-dave-
Or something like that... =)
-dave-
Get BearShare! for your p2p needs!
In addition, the momentary potential for liability existed when the software was transferred from the Company to the User, and then if the Company should have reason to believe that the user will use it for infringing uses. As this information is not available to the Company at the time of software transfer to the User, they were not liable.
Furthurmore, liability does not exist because "those comanies could shut their doors and turn off their computers, and the respective etworks would still work fine."
Quoting from the judgement
"Napster possessed the ability to monitor and control its network, and routinely exercised its ability to exclude particular users from it. id. In a virtual sense, the "premises" of the infringement were the Napster network i teelf and Napster had a duty to exercise its reserved right and ability to police those premises to the fullest extent possible- The client software was an essential component of the integrated Napster system, and Napster s obligation to police necessarily extended to the client software itself. Such is not the case here- Defendants provide software that communicates across networks that are entirely outside Defendants control.
Another *very important* point:
Although it may be possible that a new version of morpheus could have been written (by streamcast) that excluded the ability to locate files with a given fingerprint (a given SHA1, for instance), they would not be required to do so as the content was not being indexed or hosted via that Company's systems.
To quote again:
"However, whether these safeguards are practicable is immaterial to this analysis, as the obligation to \\police" arises only where a defendant has the "right and abilityfl to supervise the infrinqing conduc t . See NaDster , 239 F. 3d at 1023; Fonovisa , 76 F. 3d at 262. Plaintiffs' argument - that Defendants could do more to limit the functionali ty of their software with respect to copyrighted works forgets the critical distinction, broached above, between the Napster systemH and the software distributed by Defendants."
In the case of Grokster , the network is the propriety FastTrack network, which is clearly not controlled by Defendant Grokster. In the case of StreamCast, the network is Gnutella , the open- source nature of which apparently places it outside the control of any single entity."
This is an important decision, which could affect the path of p2p development, and my personal livelihood.
Once again, a very satisfied and relieved
-dave-
Get yourself a legitimate high-preformance Gnutella client here!!
I am *SO* relieved to see a ruling for this case where the technological issues were not so opaque to the judge as to render his verdict senseless.
Of course, an appeal is sure to follow, but today was a great victory.
Thanks EFF! Thanks go out to all the persons and entities (Eff, Limewire, BearShare, etc) that donated time, money, resources, and effort to the assist the defendants in this landmark case.
-dave-
Now go ahead and get yourselves a "Still-Legitimate" kickass Gnutella p2p client here!
Sigh...
From article:
[Quote]
Here's how the scam works: The default passwords that SBC issues to new users of their voicemail services are in a specific format and are easily guessed.
If the default password is not changed after the system is set up, it's ripe for exploitation by malicious hackers, who have been breaking into SBC voicemail systems and replacing the owners' recorded greetings with recordings of a voice saying "yes" at appropriate intervals.
[/Quote]
So, "you did that once?"
-dave-
Nerd: "I developed technology to download porn one million times faster."
Marge: "Does anyone really need that much porn?"
Homer: "(salivating noise) Ahhhhhhhh million times faster"
[/quote]
In reality, though, I bet that BearShare would work GREAT on this connection!
Reminds me of the "Red Army" in China, doesn't it?
See here for more about the Red Army.
This is not something that should be allowed by US citizens. It must be fought at all costs!
-dave-
Use BearShare for all your p2p, movie, and MP3 needs!
Listen to the trash being pushed across Clear Channel Radio (US) and the rest, and it isn't that hard to believe...
Too many damn teenage girls who fund the whole thing...
What a shame...
-dave-
Use BearShare for all your p2p, Movie, and MP3 needs!
Funny you should mention this!
And yet my (US) government regularly bombards me with "Anti-drug" or "infect-truth" commercials on radio and television which routinely accuse *me* of actively supporting terrorism when I purchase some joints, or accuse me of "helping to murder this family" (with picture of Mom, Dad, and Child face down on floor, etc)
I guess propeganda is only allowed to be one-way, right?
-dave-
Use BearShare for all your p2p and MP3 needs!
No more legal counterattacks (at least, none this severe, for now)
(Woo Hoo my 1st 1st post!)
Use BearShare!
-vdave-
Here is the first book I remember reading that mentioned it. The Secret of Terror Castle (Three Investigators, No 1)
Here is the link
This book was published in 1964, as a childrens mystery book. Not exactly new science.
-dave-
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