I admit it's not an angle I'd considered, but surely in the case you suggest it's in the dealer's interest not to accept instruction without an audit trail - I'd be surprised that that any external body would need to enforce that.
I struggle to see the value in this. If a broker wants to have an 'off the record' conversation they could still use their mobile phone or some other mechanism. Doesn't there come a point where you have to acknowledge that not all communication that takes place at a place of work is 'owned' (in a responsibility-for sense) by the employer?
No a bad idea but... (a) WLAN is available for onboard use, so it would need to be selective to certain technologies and (b) none of the existing standards you mention include this facility so it would need to be enforced by government(s) (and even then would even the US government want to go head-on with Boeing?)
Ummm, not really - or at least no more than the repeated requests for all electronic devices to be switched off that the air-crew go through at the beginning of every flight.
Frequency and power - GSM units utilise 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz (depending where you are) 802.11a/b/g uses 2.4 and 5 GHz. In terms of power - just look at the distances involved WLAN tops out at 300 feet without obstructions, phones can manage a bit more:)
As a frequent flyer I'm more than happy to comply with requests to turn off my phone on planes, but recently air-crew have not been tech savvy enough to recognise a P800 'smartphone' in 'flight' (phone bits off) mode. In these cases I offer an explanation and then comply if they insist it goes off, but as all kinds of wireless tech gets built into PDAs, laptops and watches how will they know? Just because it doesn't look like a phone doesn't mean it isn't...
My guess is aircraft will need better shielded systems.
But that's the point. Eeye analysed the code for one audience, but that won't be accessible to most people. Wired generally does a good job of introducing complex subjects clearly for the layman.
Quote:"As you know, illegal on-line activities can result in 50 million people on the Internet accessing and downloading a copyrighted product worldwide without authorization - a highly damaging activity for the copyright holder."
Well I suppose 50 million people downloading OpenOffice would damage Microsoft's Office sales:)
Many inventions are conceived before the underlying principles are properly understood.
The Chinese invented gunpowder long before the principles of combustion were deduced, and the rediscovery of old herbal medicines is now a common occurrence.
You do not always have to understand why something works - just that it does.
Discovery can happen by accident as well as by understanding:)
My point exactly - 802.11 doesn't have any user authentication meaning that neither party can trust the other. Stealing information to allow you to then access a GSM network is no different to a rogue access point stealing my credit card info off my laptop.
Interesting that they tracked the individuals down using MAC addresses for computers in their dorms...
I've never heard of any other Uni having the foresight to record this and it seems like a valid piece of info to have to include in any registration document (as per cable modem setup)
Actually it's even more obvious than that: WLAN networks are vulnerable "because it's cheap to get a base station and masquerade as a network".
True, but frankly missing the point by a mile... Commercial WLANs need rock solid authentication for both ends for billing, trust, access control etc. etc.
WEP encrypts data in transit, but it requires all users to use the same key, so user authentication has to be done at a higher (application) level. Fine for SOHO use, but no good for corporates or people selling access to networks:)
Maybe I'm missing the point:) but isn't this just a function of the fact that there is no user-level authentication in 802.11b at all... The fact that this makes it difficult to hook up WLANs to GSM networks is only just a side-effect.
Aside from the physical shell where the T68i has different colour, better backlight and a better lit keypad, there's no difference, so any SE service center will do a software upgrade on a T68m (to make it a T68i for free (most major Carphonewarehouses in the UK).
Just beware that a few of the T68i firmware relaeases introduce new bugs - I've swapped my phone and stuck with the older firmware for this reason (better the bugs you know...)
Yes, but there doesn't appear to be any dektop sync softwarem available yet, so it won't do anything useful unless you're very clever with WINE and the software's willing to play ball.
That's pretty easy to find out - just hit select 'small screen rendering' in a desktop version of Opera to try it out.
Also check out http://www.opera.com/products/smartphone/smallscre en/ for more info - it works surprisingly well!
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Quote: "these guys are professional litigious bastards"
:)
Given the statement that's a fairly brave thing to say in a public forum
I admit it's not an angle I'd considered, but surely in the case you suggest it's in the dealer's interest not to accept instruction without an audit trail - I'd be surprised that that any external body would need to enforce that.
I struggle to see the value in this. If a broker wants to have an 'off the record' conversation they could still use their mobile phone or some other mechanism. Doesn't there come a point where you have to acknowledge that not all communication that takes place at a place of work is 'owned' (in a responsibility-for sense) by the employer?
No a bad idea but... (a) WLAN is available for onboard use, so it would need to be selective to certain technologies and (b) none of the existing standards you mention include this facility so it would need to be enforced by government(s) (and even then would even the US government want to go head-on with Boeing?)
Ummm, not really - or at least no more than the repeated requests for all electronic devices to be switched off that the air-crew go through at the beginning of every flight.
Frequency and power - GSM units utilise 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz (depending where you are) 802.11a/b/g uses 2.4 and 5 GHz. In terms of power - just look at the distances involved WLAN tops out at 300 feet without obstructions, phones can manage a bit more :)
As a frequent flyer I'm more than happy to comply with requests to turn off my phone on planes, but recently air-crew have not been tech savvy enough to recognise a P800 'smartphone' in 'flight' (phone bits off) mode. In these cases I offer an explanation and then comply if they insist it goes off, but as all kinds of wireless tech gets built into PDAs, laptops and watches how will they know? Just because it doesn't look like a phone doesn't mean it isn't...
My guess is aircraft will need better shielded systems.
But that's the point. Eeye analysed the code for one audience, but that won't be accessible to most people. Wired generally does a good job of introducing complex subjects clearly for the layman.
Exactly right. As the link above shows the code is in assembley langauge, which most people would need some help with.
Quote: "As you know, illegal on-line activities can result in 50 million people on the Internet accessing and downloading a copyrighted product worldwide without authorization - a highly damaging activity for the copyright holder."
Well I suppose 50 million people downloading OpenOffice would damage Microsoft's Office sales :)
Like the article says...
Many inventions are conceived before the underlying principles are properly understood.
The Chinese invented gunpowder long before the principles of combustion were deduced, and the rediscovery of old herbal medicines is now a common occurrence.
You do not always have to understand why something works - just that it does.
Discovery can happen by accident as well as by understanding :)
My point exactly - 802.11 doesn't have any user authentication meaning that neither party can trust the other. Stealing information to allow you to then access a GSM network is no different to a rogue access point stealing my credit card info off my laptop.
I did read the article - did you understand it?
Interesting that they tracked the individuals down using MAC addresses for computers in their dorms...
I've never heard of any other Uni having the foresight to record this and it seems like a valid piece of info to have to include in any registration document (as per cable modem setup)
Actually it's even more obvious than that: WLAN networks are vulnerable "because it's cheap to get a base station and masquerade as a network".
True, but frankly missing the point by a mile... Commercial WLANs need rock solid authentication for both ends for billing, trust, access control etc. etc.
WEP encrypts data in transit, but it requires all users to use the same key, so user authentication has to be done at a higher (application) level. Fine for SOHO use, but no good for corporates or people selling access to networks :)
Maybe I'm missing the point :) but isn't this just a function of the fact that there is no user-level authentication in 802.11b at all... The fact that this makes it difficult to hook up WLANs to GSM networks is only just a side-effect.
Doesn't 802.11x begin to address this?
Sound argument. The irony is that they're cabling up business and first class with Cat5 too.
I guess that's less weight/cost than the whole plane but it seems odd given the rapid takeup of WiFi
According to this ZDNet article costs are £15 - £21 ($25 to $35), which I'd pay for an 8 to 12 hour journey.
Only downside is that the article reports the service as being a bit slow and patchy - I guess they'll nail that in time.
Aside from the physical shell where the T68i has different colour, better backlight and a better lit keypad, there's no difference, so any SE service center will do a software upgrade on a T68m (to make it a T68i for free (most major Carphonewarehouses in the UK). Just beware that a few of the T68i firmware relaeases introduce new bugs - I've swapped my phone and stuck with the older firmware for this reason (better the bugs you know...)
Actually for a more in-depth review check out http://www.esato.com/reviews/opera.php
Yes, but there doesn't appear to be any dektop sync softwarem available yet, so it won't do anything useful unless you're very clever with WINE and the software's willing to play ball.
That's pretty easy to find out - just hit select 'small screen rendering' in a desktop version of Opera to try it out. Also check out http://www.opera.com/products/smartphone/smallscre en/ for more info - it works surprisingly well!
Remeber the P800 is a completely different architecture and OS to the T68m/i