...will people by necessity stop holding public figures to absurd, archaic and hypocritical standards of personal behavior and start paying attention to how well they actually do their fucking jobs?
Amen, amen. This has, and always will be (with free speech, anyway) a disservice and stress-production factor to your NORMAL EFFING HUMAN BEING.
t's funny when someone says "no offense", they really intend on offending. I gave you the facts. Sorry if you don't want to believe them. You sound like someone who copies and shares music, movies, and software and gives excuses as to why it's "right".
...and you're one who says you have facts when you have nothing but what you BELIEVE to be fact. I don't have facts, and you don't have facts. Since you're a head-butter that won't discuss, only try to prove yourself as the master, the conversation has ended.
I think the trouble is that business people have no sense of imagination.
has the best statement of all time;)
Also giggled a little when I read that "my ideas are sound," given the topic of conversation. Hehe.
I guess you're totally right in that I would need to see how people react to something that I consider perfect, and possess the ability to distinguish. Perchance others don't. Oh, well. Not like my idea was going to be taken by any entity other than imagination, anyhow:)
Rather than surround sound they should keep the sound on or behind the screen, with a separate channel driving a separate speaker at each corner.
They should lower their rediculous prices, too. And serve alcohol. I'm sure there are a lot of other ways they could make the theater experience far better than it is now.
I like your effective communication rather than the common effect of those who have created opinions back when all of this started (or from a point after), deciding that they have a solution or answer and backing it up regardless of information presented or gathered over time. They feel they would look stupid if they faced the admission of being wrong or incomplete on any of their data.
Having said that, I am not understanding your response. To make sure we're on the same wavelength, I'll throw what I'm talking about out there and see if you're misunderstanding my horrid human communication skills or if you're openly expanding on it. *deep breath*
I'm thinking of this theater that has a nice set of seats (only ONE in Cincinnati has the type being referred to) where there are arms that can be raised or lowered for bench/personal seating. Also can recline, but that's irrelevant on topic here because I'm talking about ones that don't commonly recline but are controlled as part of the film experience. Vibrations through them, movement back and forth, slight angular movement, etc.. Sound system is still surround but perhaps might include more row-based or even seat-by-seat based additions. Overhead sound is required. There need to be some additions, IMHO, like some sort of device which hasn't yet been developed that can release scent for certain scenes (forest, oceanic, desert, etc, for instance). Maybe rapid humidity build/decline if there is enough air movement power to control it, as well as scent introduction and removal, in a timely fashion. Internal background lighting addition; supports sky and office conditions, etc.
You get the gist. The downside is (and why I wouldn't like to be part of the development) lawsuits or general complaints from 1/10,000 that has an allergic or other health-related reaction to any of the above. None fatal or harmful, but annoying. If signatures by viewers could be clear that there is no danger, you might lose a customer here and there. Think of the number of happy people, though.
I think it's an idea worth talking about, but that isn't going to get me any listeners. I digress.
So, we talking about the same thing or were you telling me you think I'm crazy?;)
As long as they can keep the masses from downloading their material, they will still stay in business. A few pirates here and there won't really matter
I agree with you.
Unfortunately, in this context, it's not possible to keep the few from sharing/distributing their methods to many.
The whole thing looks and feels like a virus. One comes and is overcome, followed by another one, followed by another, followed ad nauseum.
I might respect the community a little more if they were actually competing with these industries by releasing something new, different, and creative. But, they would much rather steal existing content and claim it as a right.
Lots of public music is shared on the internet and in other ways. Indies don't mind and are hoping for a nice contract some day. If they don't get it, they're still playing.
In the end it looks to me like it's a buyer's choice.
Why should they have to? When people stopped buying the horse-and-buggy, there was a good reason: better technology. However, the pirates are not in this position. They are just taking what's already out there..and giving it out for free. There is no innovation. This is why companies will not come out with something better. They know that people still like what they are selling, they just need a way to stop freeloaders from illegally giving it out for free on the Internet.
They're not trying to innovate. The only innovation that looks to be in place is higher quality ripping or distribution. That having been said, let's look back at horse and buggy. Someone developed a new innovative device that was more efficient than the carriage but still performed the same type of duty. Are we supposed to have a categorical system like the music industry and all of its suppliers and artists set up with the same media and methods available to the consumer? Were those with the horse and buggy angered by the automobile introduction? Sure they were. Did that stop it?
I still remember when napster came out in '99. The excuse was that music was too expensive. Now, you can use iTunes and many other online services (like pandora) and get free or very cheap, legal, music. Has piracy dropped? no. It's continued and even gotten worse. There is no excuse. The industries have complied and given you very easy ways to get legal content.
No offense intended at all, but usually when I hear these types of statements, they come from someone who is either involved with someone in the music industry, are a musician themselves and hope to make it some day, or are trying to pick a statement that they consider the truth and fight for it, regardless of information that sits right in front of them.
I'm discussing fact and possibility, *TAKING INTO ACCOUNT HISTORICAL OUTCOMES*. Please note that. The discussion is not a war; it's the brains talking about details of the war that's already going on. If you're a member of said war, most discussion is biased.
You in, or you out (as I believe the colloquialism would ask)?
I'm the type that has ideas. I ask for counterpoints and respond with corrections -or- acceptance, moving on to another solution. In the end, there's a basic solution or give-up.
The entertainment industry just needs to find another way to lock out the pirates.
Oh, indeed! They do. History stated: once they do, people will find new ways around it. It's settled. Heck, some hackers/pirates probably just find ways around new copy prevention methods because they refuse to allow the entertainment industry to win.
That said, the remainder is "what do we do now?"
Knowing this will last forever, I figure a better way is not just blocking the attackers again, but coming up with something that can't be electronically copied in a useful format. Oh, wait, that's been done. Now we have high-def media and technology. So what's next?
I think, on my own, that the next idea to consider is something that can't be copied digitally. Something physical. Something that can never be experienced again (a theater with smells, physical vibrations or other movements, etc). Then, give the copied versions away for free. They lack the extras, but that keeps the buyer wanting more and the freebies developing desire;) They'll be back out again to experience the next one and draw others in. Hell, I would;)
It seems really dangerous to criminalize a behavior when it can be so difficult (impossible, really) to know whether or not you're in strict violation of the law. Which is why it makes much more sense to focus on unlicensed distributors, and not on downloaders.
Mhmm. Agree. Also, after it's publicly known that things regarding this situation are being considered, other companies/people/etc will come up with new ideas that test ways around it -or- come up with a new entity or product that is very interesting and highly confuses the points being considered. The result making it one of those things that is discussed using nice, mean, threatening, legal, or other "winner" pathways without cessation.
Citation points to an article or other site stating the information you just did is close-to or completely correct. So that's different from you doing you research and saying what you've found, uh, why? Oh, because you didn't post all of the gathered information behind your point. And the site listed as the citation did. All of it.
How about creating movie theaters with more awesome effects? Something that will make almost everyone interested in the movie want to go and see it there...? Something other than media that's able to be pir8ted. Sure, you can video record the theatrical release, but you can't include the seat movements, vibrations, smells, or other sensory excitements.
I'm just saying. I don't rely on anything as law or guarantee anymore after living many years of life. Sometimes you can't count on something that used to be your main source of income or whatever.
If all goes to hell in a hand-basket and some day the internet is taken down, there will always be underground ways, wireless and wired, to share information. Welcome to real life! Idjits.
Not to give away too much information, but look at it this way... what do you think will happen to people who dig fence posts, build buildings, make food, etc etc etc, will do when automation systems similar (or same) to robots are developed? Those jobs will disappear and those people will do something else to live life.
Wake up, morons. Technological and software growth creates new facets that weren't available to everyone before. The old ways of selling entertainment aren't valid anymore in majority. Sure, people still go to movie theaters on release date because it's fun and interpersonal. That said, there are other ways to get people to rush rush RUSH and buy buy BUY!
Good analysis, now let me throw in the statement that there's no way to get CPUID/MBID info from a machine through the internet without it being done through an application.
I don't think that the gov't is going to release a virus/trojan to monitor all machines.. or will they? Time to start writing my movie on this idea now! AWESOME!
Oh, wait. People will pirate it and I won't make any money. Screw it.;)
It's in Human nature to be scared of that which you do not understand. The kids and others who are pir8ting music and video can freak out if they think there's something new that will nail them. What about the rest that know what's going on?
Your comment is accurate, but I'd like to throw in an extra for chuckles: Didn't something called the... oh, what was that...?.. Oh yeah! RIAA in America try something similar, if not the same?
LOLs to all involved in this plan. Thank you for a good daily laugh.
The only way to stop (IMHO) pir8ting and copying is literal door-to-door extraordinary evidence search and execution of any involved. I'm thinking for some strange reason that it's not going to happen.;)
SHH! There will be some dudes in all black and sunglasses at your door any minute. That's dangerous thinking, there, son. Logic has no place in capitalist America.:>
I would prefer analog over digital, but I'm in the slim minority. I'm just weird like that. I especially loved analog cell service, but Verizon is apparently killing that now. Analog is going away one way or another, but I'll keep it in my life wherever possible.
The problem is that the holding companies aren't regulated in terms of their acceptance/purchase-to-working product ratio. As there is no regulation, there will be immoral jerkoffs that will exploit the system to their advantage - i.e. a holding company that purchases thousands of ideas from poor inventors that 'ne3d ca$h f4$t!!!@! ' and in turn indexes/categorizes them and waits for someone ELSE to actually come up with a working product based on that idea or something kinda, sorta, not really so much like it. Then they sue. They make money.
With regard to this particular article, I would say that's likely the case as the patents in question don't have much to do with the subject matter they are suing over, and it's a big corporation with deep, DEEP pockets being targeted.
I'm not saying you're wrong at all. I'm just saying that there will always be pieces of $#!^ out there chomping at the bit to make money at someone else's expense, and this particular sector of the market is an easy one to do so in.
So you are suggesting it is in the natural order of things for an inventor to invent something, patent it, then sell the patent to a company that has no intention of ever producing or using the patent for anything other than extortion? I know of no inventor who would like that idea.
Then you don't know many intelligent people, capable of inventing something, that are strapped for cash and a little lacking in the moral fortitude column.
I've had VoIP for about 6 months now and I've been far less than impressed with its performance.
Sometimes the terminal won't sync up. When it does, you can place calls and receive them, but there's this strange little phenomenon that occurs where you are speaking but the other party can't hear you. Sometimes it will blank out altogether and come back after about 10 seconds, but when I speak, the other party can't hear me.
Sometimes I go to dial a call and after dialing, nothing happens. Just silence. You can see the packets getting sent but nothing ever happens.
Sometimes it works great and I can complete a 4-hour call with no problems. It's just unreliable. Can't count on it.
I don't think that the idiots that write spyware have the time to create ad-aware clones as part of their payload. They also want their payload as small as possible and for it to install and run without the user really noticing that anything is going on. You can't do that with a large application that's going to scan the machine intelligently and not break something.
Then again, most spyware application writers don't care if they break something else; as long as their ads get through, they're making money.
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...will people by necessity stop holding public figures to absurd, archaic and hypocritical standards of personal behavior and start paying attention to how well they actually do their fucking jobs?
Amen, amen. This has, and always will be (with free speech, anyway) a disservice and stress-production factor to your NORMAL EFFING HUMAN BEING.
I've said enough.
Could you define your statement? What IS information? How do we separate it from objects, from id?
t's funny when someone says "no offense", they really intend on offending. I gave you the facts. Sorry if you don't want to believe them. You sound like someone who copies and shares music, movies, and software and gives excuses as to why it's "right".
...and you're one who says you have facts when you have nothing but what you BELIEVE to be fact. I don't have facts, and you don't have facts. Since you're a head-butter that won't discuss, only try to prove yourself as the master, the conversation has ended.
You lose. You get nothing. Good day, sir.
Wait, I just stole that. Sue me.
I think your last line,
I think the trouble is that business people have no sense of imagination.
has the best statement of all time ;)
Also giggled a little when I read that "my ideas are sound," given the topic of conversation. Hehe.
I guess you're totally right in that I would need to see how people react to something that I consider perfect, and possess the ability to distinguish. Perchance others don't. Oh, well. Not like my idea was going to be taken by any entity other than imagination, anyhow :)
Thanks!
Rather than surround sound they should keep the sound on or behind the screen, with a separate channel driving a separate speaker at each corner.
They should lower their rediculous prices, too. And serve alcohol. I'm sure there are a lot of other ways they could make the theater experience far better than it is now.
I like your effective communication rather than the common effect of those who have created opinions back when all of this started (or from a point after), deciding that they have a solution or answer and backing it up regardless of information presented or gathered over time. They feel they would look stupid if they faced the admission of being wrong or incomplete on any of their data.
Having said that, I am not understanding your response. To make sure we're on the same wavelength, I'll throw what I'm talking about out there and see if you're misunderstanding my horrid human communication skills or if you're openly expanding on it. *deep breath*
I'm thinking of this theater that has a nice set of seats (only ONE in Cincinnati has the type being referred to) where there are arms that can be raised or lowered for bench/personal seating. Also can recline, but that's irrelevant on topic here because I'm talking about ones that don't commonly recline but are controlled as part of the film experience. Vibrations through them, movement back and forth, slight angular movement, etc..
Sound system is still surround but perhaps might include more row-based or even seat-by-seat based additions. Overhead sound is required.
There need to be some additions, IMHO, like some sort of device which hasn't yet been developed that can release scent for certain scenes (forest, oceanic, desert, etc, for instance).
Maybe rapid humidity build/decline if there is enough air movement power to control it, as well as scent introduction and removal, in a timely fashion.
Internal background lighting addition; supports sky and office conditions, etc.
You get the gist. The downside is (and why I wouldn't like to be part of the development) lawsuits or general complaints from 1/10,000 that has an allergic or other health-related reaction to any of the above. None fatal or harmful, but annoying. If signatures by viewers could be clear that there is no danger, you might lose a customer here and there. Think of the number of happy people, though.
I think it's an idea worth talking about, but that isn't going to get me any listeners. I digress.
So, we talking about the same thing or were you telling me you think I'm crazy? ;)
As long as they can keep the masses from downloading their material, they will still stay in business. A few pirates here and there won't really matter
I agree with you.
Unfortunately, in this context, it's not possible to keep the few from sharing/distributing their methods to many.
The whole thing looks and feels like a virus. One comes and is overcome, followed by another one, followed by another, followed ad nauseum.
I might respect the community a little more if they were actually competing with these industries by releasing something new, different, and creative. But, they would much rather steal existing content and claim it as a right.
Lots of public music is shared on the internet and in other ways. Indies don't mind and are hoping for a nice contract some day. If they don't get it, they're still playing.
In the end it looks to me like it's a buyer's choice.
Why should they have to? When people stopped buying the horse-and-buggy, there was a good reason: better technology. However, the pirates are not in this position. They are just taking what's already out there..and giving it out for free. There is no innovation. This is why companies will not come out with something better. They know that people still like what they are selling, they just need a way to stop freeloaders from illegally giving it out for free on the Internet.
They're not trying to innovate. The only innovation that looks to be in place is higher quality ripping or distribution. That having been said, let's look back at horse and buggy. Someone developed a new innovative device that was more efficient than the carriage but still performed the same type of duty. Are we supposed to have a categorical system like the music industry and all of its suppliers and artists set up with the same media and methods available to the consumer? Were those with the horse and buggy angered by the automobile introduction? Sure they were. Did that stop it?
I still remember when napster came out in '99. The excuse was that music was too expensive. Now, you can use iTunes and many other online services (like pandora) and get free or very cheap, legal, music. Has piracy dropped? no. It's continued and even gotten worse. There is no excuse. The industries have complied and given you very easy ways to get legal content.
No offense intended at all, but usually when I hear these types of statements, they come from someone who is either involved with someone in the music industry, are a musician themselves and hope to make it some day, or are trying to pick a statement that they consider the truth and fight for it, regardless of information that sits right in front of them.
I'm discussing fact and possibility, *TAKING INTO ACCOUNT HISTORICAL OUTCOMES*. Please note that. The discussion is not a war; it's the brains talking about details of the war that's already going on. If you're a member of said war, most discussion is biased.
You in, or you out (as I believe the colloquialism would ask)?
I'm the type that has ideas. I ask for counterpoints and respond with corrections -or- acceptance, moving on to another solution. In the end, there's a basic solution or give-up.
Think of me as Data from STTNG ;)
The entertainment industry just needs to find another way to lock out the pirates.
Oh, indeed! They do. History stated: once they do, people will find new ways around it. It's settled. Heck, some hackers/pirates probably just find ways around new copy prevention methods because they refuse to allow the entertainment industry to win.
That said, the remainder is "what do we do now?"
Knowing this will last forever, I figure a better way is not just blocking the attackers again, but coming up with something that can't be electronically copied in a useful format. Oh, wait, that's been done. Now we have high-def media and technology. So what's next?
I think, on my own, that the next idea to consider is something that can't be copied digitally. Something physical. Something that can never be experienced again (a theater with smells, physical vibrations or other movements, etc). Then, give the copied versions away for free. They lack the extras, but that keeps the buyer wanting more and the freebies developing desire ;) They'll be back out again to experience the next one and draw others in. Hell, I would ;)
It seems really dangerous to criminalize a behavior when it can be so difficult (impossible, really) to know whether or not you're in strict violation of the law. Which is why it makes much more sense to focus on unlicensed distributors, and not on downloaders.
Mhmm. Agree. Also, after it's publicly known that things regarding this situation are being considered, other companies/people/etc will come up with new ideas that test ways around it -or- come up with a new entity or product that is very interesting and highly confuses the points being considered. The result making it one of those things that is discussed using nice, mean, threatening, legal, or other "winner" pathways without cessation.
IMHO.
I've always loved that. [Note sarcasm]
Citation points to an article or other site stating the information you just did is close-to or completely correct. So that's different from you doing you research and saying what you've found, uh, why? Oh, because you didn't post all of the gathered information behind your point. And the site listed as the citation did. All of it.
NOTE SARCASM.
Trust is one of those taboo words.
Anonymous, but I'll throw this one in...
How about creating movie theaters with more awesome effects? Something that will make almost everyone interested in the movie want to go and see it there...? Something other than media that's able to be pir8ted. Sure, you can video record the theatrical release, but you can't include the seat movements, vibrations, smells, or other sensory excitements.
I'm just saying. I don't rely on anything as law or guarantee anymore after living many years of life. Sometimes you can't count on something that used to be your main source of income or whatever.
Don't wanna waste comment space, but I will. Heh.
If all goes to hell in a hand-basket and some day the internet is taken down, there will always be underground ways, wireless and wired, to share information. Welcome to real life! Idjits.
Not to give away too much information, but look at it this way... what do you think will happen to people who dig fence posts, build buildings, make food, etc etc etc, will do when automation systems similar (or same) to robots are developed? Those jobs will disappear and those people will do something else to live life.
Wake up, morons. Technological and software growth creates new facets that weren't available to everyone before. The old ways of selling entertainment aren't valid anymore in majority. Sure, people still go to movie theaters on release date because it's fun and interpersonal. That said, there are other ways to get people to rush rush RUSH and buy buy BUY!
Good analysis, now let me throw in the statement that there's no way to get CPUID/MBID info from a machine through the internet without it being done through an application.
I don't think that the gov't is going to release a virus/trojan to monitor all machines.. or will they? Time to start writing my movie on this idea now! AWESOME!
Oh, wait. People will pirate it and I won't make any money. Screw it. ;)
That's exactly it. Computer ID = IP address.
It's in Human nature to be scared of that which you do not understand. The kids and others who are pir8ting music and video can freak out if they think there's something new that will nail them. What about the rest that know what's going on?
Your comment is accurate, but I'd like to throw in an extra for chuckles: Didn't something called the... oh, what was that...?.. Oh yeah! RIAA in America try something similar, if not the same?
LOLs to all involved in this plan. Thank you for a good daily laugh.
The only way to stop (IMHO) pir8ting and copying is literal door-to-door extraordinary evidence search and execution of any involved. I'm thinking for some strange reason that it's not going to happen. ;)
Theeeeeere ya go. Now someone's touched on the real driver behind this move :)
SHH! There will be some dudes in all black and sunglasses at your door any minute. That's dangerous thinking, there, son. Logic has no place in capitalist America. :>
Yeah... what bjprice said. ;)
I would prefer analog over digital, but I'm in the slim minority. I'm just weird like that.
I especially loved analog cell service, but Verizon is apparently killing that now.
Analog is going away one way or another, but I'll keep it in my life wherever possible.
The problem is that the holding companies aren't regulated in terms of their acceptance/purchase-to-working product ratio. As there is no regulation, there will be immoral jerkoffs that will exploit the system to their advantage - i.e. a holding company that purchases thousands of ideas from poor inventors that 'ne3d ca$h f4$t!!!@! ' and in turn indexes/categorizes them and waits for someone ELSE to actually come up with a working product based on that idea or something kinda, sorta, not really so much like it. Then they sue. They make money.
With regard to this particular article, I would say that's likely the case as the patents in question don't have much to do with the subject matter they are suing over, and it's a big corporation with deep, DEEP pockets being targeted.
I'm not saying you're wrong at all. I'm just saying that there will always be pieces of $#!^ out there chomping at the bit to make money at someone else's expense, and this particular sector of the market is an easy one to do so in.
So you are suggesting it is in the natural order of things for an inventor to invent something, patent it, then sell the patent to a company that has no intention of ever producing or using the patent for anything other than extortion? I know of no inventor who would like that idea.
Then you don't know many intelligent people, capable of inventing something, that are strapped for cash and a little lacking in the moral fortitude column.
So THAT'S what that "Invention Submission Corporation" does... They make it sound so cheery and beneficial to Mankind.
You know what the kids at the school I went to used to do to kids like that? :)
I don't have the hard facts, but this smells a bit of industry-backed propaganda.
I'm JUST saying.
I've had VoIP for about 6 months now and I've been far less than impressed with its performance.
Sometimes the terminal won't sync up. When it does, you can place calls and receive them, but there's this strange little phenomenon that occurs where you are speaking but the other party can't hear you. Sometimes it will blank out altogether and come back after about 10 seconds, but when I speak, the other party can't hear me.
Sometimes I go to dial a call and after dialing, nothing happens. Just silence. You can see the packets getting sent but nothing ever happens.
Sometimes it works great and I can complete a 4-hour call with no problems. It's just unreliable. Can't count on it.
...I'm a painter. I discovered I'm very good at it while painting a new building's interior yesterday.
I don't think that the idiots that write spyware have the time to create ad-aware clones as part of their payload. They also want their payload as small as possible and for it to install and run without the user really noticing that anything is going on. You can't do that with a large application that's going to scan the machine intelligently and not break something.
Then again, most spyware application writers don't care if they break something else; as long as their ads get through, they're making money.