really? Let me know what you think of the demo of Black and White 2. And the Sims 2 demo. And the Movies Demo. Youll have to code them first, because they dont exist. Ditto the Half life 2 demo. There is a worrying trend amongst big developers and publishers to not 'bother' with a demo these days. And I've heard it explained to me from the companies themselves, they think that if they spend enough on marketing, people will buy the game anyway, why sully the issue by letting them try before they buy? In some ways this suits me fine, as an indie game developer, its another thing that separates me from them.
I've seen a mockup of these at an energy research center in the UK, I still don't undetstand why this is not the solution. The tide is pretty damn predictable, and a massive source of energy, and this does away with the NIMBy arguments of those who oppose wind farms. Yeah Im sure they kill tons of fish, but around the UK, rampant overfishing is doing that anyway. I'd happily have a few million of my taxes spent on some large scale trials of this. Especially in the UK where we have more coast than we know what to with.
any but nuclear. I dont worry about terrorists nicking some coal and dumping it outside the new york stock exchange. You can insert whatever scientific data about dirty bombs you like, you reckon the stock market wont go into nosedive when dirty bombs go off in financial districts? Plus Im no fan of ANY system of power generation that leaves a waste problem for the next 30 generations to worry about. Crapping on your kids future like that doesnt seem right. Stand by for the arrogant rants.
clean? not until you find somewhere safe to store waste for the next few thousand years. Nuclear is neither clean, nor renewable. there is limited uranium.
"Btw, downloading or copying stuff isn't piracy, it's not like we're robbing anyone, physically stealing property" Oh really? I make digital content for a living (video games). I give away free demos, have NO DRM and no copy protection or rootkits. I don't even bother with an EULA. so in my case, what gives people the right to just copy my games and not pay for them? If this happens much miore, I'm out of business. yes, Sony are evil, yes, EULAs are bullshit, but dont follow that argument into some sweeping "all digital content should be free" waffle, because its exactly that kind of attitude that encourages those who make digital content to use restrictive DRM. I hate DRM, but if I had the resources I'd use it tommorow, because its the only way to stop people giving away your hard work for free. Until people learn to respect the efforts of people making this stuff, DRM will get worse and worse. And if you are going to complain that the movie/song/game is low quality, why do you want a copy?
agreed 100%. This is why the only viable way forward for safe GM would be for it to be government or even UN-funded. Even governments have longer timescales than business, and an international body can have a properly funded 10-20 year plan to study the effects impartially.
well said. It always amazes me when people cheerlead companies like monsanto (previous products include good old napalm!) on the basis that they are somehow the good guys. These companies want to make stockholders rich, period. I don't see anything inprinciple wrong with GM food, as long as
1) I can 100% trust the motives of the people carrying out the research and field tests 2) That it is not used as a way of locking poor farmers into a product supplied by a foreign owned mega-corp 3) That some SERIOUS long-term testing is done in the lab so we can be 99.99% sure that releasing GM organisms into the food chain is not going to fuck up the food chain. (We only have 1 ecosystem remember). 4) The industry goes along with public demand to label food as GM, leaving the ultimate deicision in the hands of the public.
If governments came together to form a truly impartial and publicly funded research body to work on GM tech, that would be great, but as it is, its always the big biotech companies with their paid lobbyists and paid-off members of government that wave the flag for it. Would you trust Microsoft to re-engineer the potatoes you eat? Would you trust Sony to do it? Neither would I.
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Well said. You can see this in work with examples such as video games and applications that have freely available demos. There is a freely downloadable demo of civ4 for example, so the people downloading it from p2p have absolutely sod all excuse or justification. What they are doing is basically a big 'fuck you' to all the people who worked hard to make that game. At least have the guts to admit what you are doing if you download something rather than buy it. Movies, songs, games, and software arent food or shelter. Nobody has a human rights claim to be supplied with the latest copy of photoshop without paying for it. When a game has a free demo, no DRM and is ressonably priced, I can't see any justification for copying it freely.
What about niche products though? your analysis surely breaks down there. If you are amking a movie that everyone in the street will like, you can sell it online for $5 and do fine, but if your market is 10-50k units tops, you simple can't do that. It seems that you may be advocating a market model where only the lowest common demoninator crap gets made.
" There's nothing you can do to keep people from *acquiring* media however they want;"
sounds like a bit of a tough break for the poor bastards who try to earn a living by creating that media doesnt it? You really think the guys that make new albums, new TV shows, new movies and new games should not be paid for it? Clearly some uses of DRM are batshit insane, but you cant blame people for wanting to be paid for the fruits of their labours. Not every artist or software company is evil, but they all seem to be treated as such by the people illegally redistributing their products.
i have plenty of paying cutomers, because the product is good. Unfortunately people like yourself want to encourage everyone to steal what I make and not pay for it. You really are that short sighted that you cant see how NOT paying ANYONE to generate intellectual property equates to no more intellectual property at all being created. PLEASE tell me that you understand this. It is not exactly a complex issue. Like I said before, Its people like you that will kill off all new entertainment. Nobody works for nothing, we have bills to pay. Nice to see you totally dodge the issue of what YOU do for a living. still living with mommy?
hold on, if you steal food from a corner shop, its THAT GUYS FAULT for not having an electric fence and armed guards at every aisle? you are saying, quite blatantly, that you have a RIGHT to take what I produce for FREE. In other words, you want me to add foolproof invasive DRM to the product I make right? Think about it for once. Also, what do you to for a living? I'm interested to know what it is that's so special that you get paid even if all your customers refuse to pay for their products.
AN interesting philosophy. Let us follow it through. This means that it should be made ok to donwload music, games and movies without paying for them, agreed? But hold on, who is going to make next years Half Life 3, Photoshop 10, New album by band X? Aha I think I have the answer: Nobody. Because believe it or not, all programs, music, games and movies arent made by kids living in their dads basement. This isnt a theoretical argument. I make indie games for a living. If people like you pirate them on a widespread basis, I'll sell less copies, won't be able to pay the rent, and will eventually take a job doing something else. The end result is no more games from me. Scale this up big time, and before you know it, people quit Valve, id Software, Microsoft, Paramount etc etc. So I hope people like youself are REAL happy with this years games, apps and movies, Because if we follow your plan, these are the last ones to ever get made.
Interesting. I make vidoe games that I sell online. If I dont sell enough each month, I literally can't pay for food and rent. Tell me, if you came accross one of my games that you like, would you pirate it? I ask, because I seriously doubt you carry out any in depth investigation into the financial status of each artist or developer whose products you copy, before deciding if its ethical to do so.
I agree 100%, and it says a lot about the attitude of the typical slashdot anonymous coward that you get marked down for saying so. Personally I make a living from wiritng video games, as a one-man company. It seems that most of the people on slashdot think I should work for nothing and live in a cardboard box. Ironic, as a huge chunk of them will be software developers themselves. It seems its ok to pirate stuff, as long as it just screws up someone elses business and not your own. Bring on the flamebait and the troll mods if you will, but how exactly do you think Movies, Games and applications get made? does the stork bring them?
this seriously needs modding up, and typically I have no points. I'd rather have less packaging than more high tech packaging. the idiots who came up with this idea should be marooned on an island somewhere.
this is a turn based game right? Are they going out of their way to make it run slow? When I wrote Democracy (www.democracygame.com) I ran out of processing I needed to do, WAY before there was any chance of a performance bottleneck. Thats with a pretty hefty neural network running too. Of course, I didn't bolt a totally superflous fancy pants 3D engine on top, which is what makes most modern games take 3 years, 120 staff and 8 million dollars to make. And as you have noticed, it also makes em run like a dog. ho hum.
Not that far from the truth, As someone who recently ran screaming from the retail games biz, I now find almost everyone I know wants to get out ASAP, especially those who want a social life, or a salary they can buy a house and raise a family on.
errr... change supplier? My web host is hostgator, they have 24 hour live internet chat support that is superb. My banks are smile and caterallen, both answer within 5 rings straight to a human voice who is helpfull articulate and friendly. They have good interest rates too. Every time I hear someone whine about their phone system hell, I point out that its their choice. unless you are calling the govt you have an option. Switch supplier. Customer power only works if you actually use it.
So the Labour guy says: "we should celebrate that we are number one for [botnet] infections. It says something about our importance and the value within UK Plc"
and the Lib dem guy: Richard Allan, former Liberal Democrat MP and head of government affairs for Cisco, said he was confident that the problem of botnets would be addressed in the coming months, as network operators wake up to the need to tighten security.
"It's like antivirus. Two years ago, virtually nobody had it. Now, ISPs offer antivirus protection as standard," said Allan.
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sure, released long after the main game so all the fanboys had already bought it based on hype.
really?
Let me know what you think of the demo of Black and White 2. And the Sims 2 demo. And the Movies Demo.
Youll have to code them first, because they dont exist. Ditto the Half life 2 demo.
There is a worrying trend amongst big developers and publishers to not 'bother' with a demo these days. And I've heard it explained to me from the companies themselves, they think that if they spend enough on marketing, people will buy the game anyway, why sully the issue by letting them try before they buy?
In some ways this suits me fine, as an indie game developer, its another thing that separates me from them.
I've seen a mockup of these at an energy research center in the UK, I still don't undetstand why this is not the solution. The tide is pretty damn predictable, and a massive source of energy, and this does away with the NIMBy arguments of those who oppose wind farms.
Yeah Im sure they kill tons of fish, but around the UK, rampant overfishing is doing that anyway. I'd happily have a few million of my taxes spent on some large scale trials of this. Especially in the UK where we have more coast than we know what to with.
any but nuclear. I dont worry about terrorists nicking some coal and dumping it outside the new york stock exchange. You can insert whatever scientific data about dirty bombs you like, you reckon the stock market wont go into nosedive when dirty bombs go off in financial districts?
Plus Im no fan of ANY system of power generation that leaves a waste problem for the next 30 generations to worry about. Crapping on your kids future like that doesnt seem right.
Stand by for the arrogant rants.
clean? not until you find somewhere safe to store waste for the next few thousand years. Nuclear is neither clean, nor renewable. there is limited uranium.
"Btw, downloading or copying stuff isn't piracy, it's not like we're robbing anyone, physically stealing property"
Oh really?
I make digital content for a living (video games). I give away free demos, have NO DRM and no copy protection or rootkits. I don't even bother with an EULA.
so in my case, what gives people the right to just copy my games and not pay for them? If this happens much miore, I'm out of business.
yes, Sony are evil, yes, EULAs are bullshit, but dont follow that argument into some sweeping "all digital content should be free" waffle, because its exactly that kind of attitude that encourages those who make digital content to use restrictive DRM.
I hate DRM, but if I had the resources I'd use it tommorow, because its the only way to stop people giving away your hard work for free. Until people learn to respect the efforts of people making this stuff, DRM will get worse and worse. And if you are going to complain that the movie/song/game is low quality, why do you want a copy?
agreed 100%. This is why the only viable way forward for safe GM would be for it to be government or even UN-funded. Even governments have longer timescales than business, and an international body can have a properly funded 10-20 year plan to study the effects impartially.
well said. It always amazes me when people cheerlead companies like monsanto (previous products include good old napalm!) on the basis that they are somehow the good guys. These companies want to make stockholders rich, period. I don't see anything inprinciple wrong with GM food, as long as
1) I can 100% trust the motives of the people carrying out the research and field tests
2) That it is not used as a way of locking poor farmers into a product supplied by a foreign owned mega-corp
3) That some SERIOUS long-term testing is done in the lab so we can be 99.99% sure that releasing GM organisms into the food chain is not going to fuck up the food chain. (We only have 1 ecosystem remember).
4) The industry goes along with public demand to label food as GM, leaving the ultimate deicision in the hands of the public.
If governments came together to form a truly impartial and publicly funded research body to work on GM tech, that would be great, but as it is, its always the big biotech companies with their paid lobbyists and paid-off members of government that wave the flag for it. Would you trust Microsoft to re-engineer the potatoes you eat? Would you trust Sony to do it? Neither would I.
Well said. You can see this in work with examples such as video games and applications that have freely available demos. There is a freely downloadable demo of civ4 for example, so the people downloading it from p2p have absolutely sod all excuse or justification. What they are doing is basically a big 'fuck you' to all the people who worked hard to make that game.
At least have the guts to admit what you are doing if you download something rather than buy it.
Movies, songs, games, and software arent food or shelter. Nobody has a human rights claim to be supplied with the latest copy of photoshop without paying for it.
When a game has a free demo, no DRM and is ressonably priced, I can't see any justification for copying it freely.
What about niche products though? your analysis surely breaks down there. If you are amking a movie that everyone in the street will like, you can sell it online for $5 and do fine, but if your market is 10-50k units tops, you simple can't do that. It seems that you may be advocating a market model where only the lowest common demoninator crap gets made.
" There's nothing you can do to keep people from *acquiring* media however they want;"
sounds like a bit of a tough break for the poor bastards who try to earn a living by creating that media doesnt it? You really think the guys that make new albums, new TV shows, new movies and new games should not be paid for it? Clearly some uses of DRM are batshit insane, but you cant blame people for wanting to be paid for the fruits of their labours. Not every artist or software company is evil, but they all seem to be treated as such by the people illegally redistributing their products.
i have plenty of paying cutomers, because the product is good. Unfortunately people like yourself want to encourage everyone to steal what I make and not pay for it. You really are that short sighted that you cant see how NOT paying ANYONE to generate intellectual property equates to no more intellectual property at all being created. PLEASE tell me that you understand this. It is not exactly a complex issue.
Like I said before, Its people like you that will kill off all new entertainment. Nobody works for nothing, we have bills to pay. Nice to see you totally dodge the issue of what YOU do for a living. still living with mommy?
hold on, if you steal food from a corner shop, its THAT GUYS FAULT for not having an electric fence and armed guards at every aisle?
you are saying, quite blatantly, that you have a RIGHT to take what I produce for FREE.
In other words, you want me to add foolproof invasive DRM to the product I make right?
Think about it for once.
Also, what do you to for a living? I'm interested to know what it is that's so special that you get paid even if all your customers refuse to pay for their products.
AN interesting philosophy. Let us follow it through. This means that it should be made ok to donwload music, games and movies without paying for them, agreed?
But hold on, who is going to make next years Half Life 3, Photoshop 10, New album by band X?
Aha I think I have the answer:
Nobody.
Because believe it or not, all programs, music, games and movies arent made by kids living in their dads basement.
This isnt a theoretical argument. I make indie games for a living. If people like you pirate them on a widespread basis, I'll sell less copies, won't be able to pay the rent, and will eventually take a job doing something else. The end result is no more games from me. Scale this up big time, and before you know it, people quit Valve, id Software, Microsoft, Paramount etc etc.
So I hope people like youself are REAL happy with this years games, apps and movies, Because if we follow your plan, these are the last ones to ever get made.
Interesting. I make vidoe games that I sell online. If I dont sell enough each month, I literally can't pay for food and rent. Tell me, if you came accross one of my games that you like, would you pirate it?
I ask, because I seriously doubt you carry out any in depth investigation into the financial status of each artist or developer whose products you copy, before deciding if its ethical to do so.
I agree 100%, and it says a lot about the attitude of the typical slashdot anonymous coward that you get marked down for saying so. Personally I make a living from wiritng video games, as a one-man company. It seems that most of the people on slashdot think I should work for nothing and live in a cardboard box. Ironic, as a huge chunk of them will be software developers themselves.
It seems its ok to pirate stuff, as long as it just screws up someone elses business and not your own.
Bring on the flamebait and the troll mods if you will, but how exactly do you think Movies, Games and applications get made? does the stork bring them?
this seriously needs modding up, and typically I have no points.
I'd rather have less packaging than more high tech packaging. the idiots who came up with this idea should be marooned on an island somewhere.
how is this flamebait?, seems like a reasoned critique of the game. Talk about groupthink. just *maybe* civ 4 isnt the second coming?
this is a turn based game right?
Are they going out of their way to make it run slow? When I wrote Democracy (www.democracygame.com) I ran out of processing I needed to do, WAY before there was any chance of a performance bottleneck. Thats with a pretty hefty neural network running too.
Of course, I didn't bolt a totally superflous fancy pants 3D engine on top, which is what makes most modern games take 3 years, 120 staff and 8 million dollars to make. And as you have noticed, it also makes em run like a dog.
ho hum.
Not that far from the truth, As someone who recently ran screaming from the retail games biz, I now find almost everyone I know wants to get out ASAP, especially those who want a social life, or a salary they can buy a house and raise a family on.
very interesting. if I had mod points....
errr... change supplier?
My web host is hostgator, they have 24 hour live internet chat support that is superb. My banks are smile and caterallen, both answer within 5 rings straight to a human voice who is helpfull articulate and friendly. They have good interest rates too. Every time I hear someone whine about their phone system hell, I point out that its their choice. unless you are calling the govt you have an option. Switch supplier. Customer power only works if you actually use it.
So the Labour guy says:
"we should celebrate that we are number one for [botnet] infections. It says something about our importance and the value within UK Plc"
and the Lib dem guy:
Richard Allan, former Liberal Democrat MP and head of government affairs for Cisco, said he was confident that the problem of botnets would be addressed in the coming months, as network operators wake up to the need to tighten security.
"It's like antivirus. Two years ago, virtually nobody had it. Now, ISPs offer antivirus protection as standard," said Allan.
methinks I see a contrast of competence here...
I hope you are serious, because that's a DARNED GOOD IDEA.
we have noticed, and we pity the intelligent ones left in that country. come live in europe, its much nicer here :D