Section 716 of the business corporation act states:
...the directors and officers of a corporation shall exercise their powers and discharge their duties with a view to the interests of the corporation and of the shareholders....
No one should trust a business to do the right thing, especially if it's unprofitable.
You took the words right out of my mouth. The problem is that many on Slashdot fail to understand that for-profit companies exist FOR PROFIT and thus are labed as "for-profit". Employment is merely a side effect of the company trying to make profit. While I'm not saying that the employers should treat their employees badly on purpose, but if a for-profit company cannot make profit, it has no reason to exist.
But hey, we Americans don't care. Since only 8 Americans died (thus far) in the trajedy, the news isn't covering it the way you might think they would for a single event that has caused (so far) over 20,000 dead.
And since when did you get to speak for all of Americans? If you haven't noticed, tsunami story have been on the front pages of all major U.S. media websites, such as CNN, Fox News, NBC News, and ABC News. Are you so freaking lazy that you're only capable of watching/reading news if it's shown on prime time TV on Fox?
What's really sad is that the bias reflects most Americans: They don't care about it, since Americans weren't affected that much (except the 8 that died). Typical Americans, at most, only care enough to ask "Could this happen to us in America?"
While your actions will most likely be limited to bitching on Slashdot and maybe various other forums, there's already some relief campaigns starting in the U.S.
Having volunteered in soup kitchens in the past, I've noticed that most of the fellow volunteers were from church groups, preppies from various high school and college clubs/organizations, and select few who need to get their court ordered community service done. There are plenty of Americans who do care. Granted, there are also plenty who don't give a damn (and some who act like they care but won't anything about it exact bitching), but because because you fall into this catagory doesn't means every other Americans do as well.
If the press can get hold of classified CIA messages, they shouldn't have any problems founding out of this vote rigging demo was actually used for the election.
The Bush Administration is no fan of civil rights or privacy. Given abominations like the "Patriot" act, it's hard not to jump to conclusions when they float trial balloons like this.
I guess all but one of the Democrat senators voted for PATRIOT Act because they are fan of civil rights or privacy? I'm not a fan of Bush but blaming all of the problems on just one person/group is foolished, IMHO.
The United States is going down the flusher; economically, militarily, socially, politically. You name it, Bush is deliberately trashing his country, and he's only getting started. It takes work to do so much damage so quickly.
Looks like someone forgot to put on his tinfoil hat today. The recent bust was no where close to the Great Depression or even the crash of 1973 or 1987.
And where Bush would never, never cheat to win an election.
I never said Bush would never cheat. Do you have some sort of solid proof that Kerry and his team of lawyers don't have? So what if every single one of those voting machines left a paper trail? You'll simply argue that the Bush camp shredded the paper records and replaced with counterfit copies.
Stupid people are the reason the world is going to hell. Thank you for your contribution.
No,no, no, it is I who have to thank you for your contribution as you add ignorance to your reasoning formula. You'd better watch out because Bush's going to send the FBI after you for talking smack about him and he'll personally draft you after you are released. And you'd better stop using your computer because those evil Republicans can see you using your very own computer monitor.
You and neuek both brought up some good points here. For Bush, it was "Vote for me or the terrorists will get you." and for Kerry, it was "Vote for me or the mega-corps will get you."
But with double-digit percentage increases for the retail sales this weekend and projected $22.8 billion in sales this holiday season, I believe that most Americans already put the election issue behind them and went back to the usual "Let's mimic the government and go further into debt" mode.
The Daily Howler didn't say payroll taxes, it mentioned income taxes and there IS a difference. Perhaps you should actually read the links that you present. Besides, jacking up payroll taxes alone really make the rich pay more as bulk of their wealth in form of unrealized gains from investments, which do not get taxed until the gain is realized and recongnized.
My apologies if you really meant to talk about the Australian PM's influence on the voting habbits of a population halfway around the world from Australia.
I guess that's a long way of saying "You've made a typo".
I could easily say that the Daily Howler is just a left wing propaganda.
But this example may help show how the top fifth only pay 19 percent of their income in overall taxes, as opposed to the 18 percent paid by the bottom fifth
While I agree that Bush's tax cut mainly benifits the rich (I even have a journal entry on it), it seems that the left-wingers do their own share of speading FUD. I grew up in a poor family and after you count for the standard deductions, exemptions, and tax credits, the effective tax rate was no where close to 18%. The author of the Nov 24th article complains that the media doesn't education the public on the tax issues but the auther himself doesn't bother to educate us.
If you really want to learn more about taxes, there are plenty of tax classes that you can take at your local college or read the tax publication that you can download free at the IRS site. Don't listen to the media or the left-wing FUD. If you are on the bottom fifth of the income level and honestly pay 18% effect tax rate, you are getting ripped off big time and should consider educating yourself instead of listen to this FUD put out by The Daily Howler. For example:
Lets say that you are a single taxpayer who made $24,000 in year 2003. After the basic standard deduction and personal exemption, the taxable income comes out to $16,200. For the first $6,000 made, the income tax on it will be $600. The remaining $10,200 gets taxed at 15%, which comes out to $1,530. Your total income tax will be $2,130, which means that the effective tax rate will be 8.875%.
Or let's say that you are a poor college student working and going to school at the same time making $12,000 a year. In this case, the taxable income will be $4,200, which results in tax of $420. Effective income tax rate in this case would be 3.5%.
A typical "The world revolves around me so anyone who disagrees with me is biased" post. Because a media is owned by a big coporation doesn't mean its contents have to be conservative. Do you honestly believe that media in a liberal cities like San Francisco and New York can afford to be conservative without the risk of losing the readership? Even The Simpsons of Fox Network protray the Republican party as blood suckers because the show's not aimed at the right-wingers.
The last election showed that the American is pretty evenly devided in the middle and the mega-corps motto of "profits first" demands that they cater to the both sides for maximum profit.
Why the Democrats lost the election
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Disclaimer: I'm not a Bush fan (I voted for McCain in 2000 and while I wasn't a fan of Kerry either, I voted for him to vote against Bush this year) but I'm getting sick and tired of conspiracy theorists on Slashdot. If you check out my signature, you'll see an insightful speech made by Bill Clinton on why the Democrats lost this election but I will expend on it here. Also note that I used the term "left-wingers" to describe far left liberals, not the Democrats in general.
1. Democrats relied too much on young voters: Problem is that while the 18-24 year old age group makes the most noise, when it comes to voting, they consistently turn out to have the worst voting record. Hollywood celebrities and singers backing Kerry (in hopes of getting young citizens to vote) probably harmed him more by alienating the older voters. Bill Clinton didn't win the election by capturing young voters' votes, he won by capturing the older voters' votes. Now back to Bush vs. Kerry. Majority of voters 65 and older voted for Bush. Majority of voters 24 and younger voted for Kerry. And guess who won?
2. Democrats did not learn form the Austrian elections: The Australian Prime Minister Howard took a lot of heat for supporting Bush and his war in Iraq. The media expected a big loss for Howard on the last election, but Howard ended winning by a good margin. When the Austrian voters were polled, most of them responded that they voted for Howard because economy was a bigger issue than the Iraqi war.
3. Michael Moore and Bin Laden: Telling you that those two guys dislike Bush would be an understatement. However, their messages probably ended up helping Bush more than hurting him. I like Moore's movies because they are entertaining, but unlike the left-wingers, I find his movies highly biased. What Fahrenheit 9/11 did was it ended up causing Bush supporters to work harder to get Bush fans to vote. It's the same thing with the Bin Laden message before the election. Most Americans hate Bin Laden so why does he believe that Americans will listen to him? If he came out and told the Americans to drink milk on Mondays, most Americans will stop drinking milk on Mondays just to spite him.
4. Democrats relied too much on minority voters: Minorities tend to vote Democrat but Democrats didn't realize that minorities can be religious as well and the religious tend to vote Republican. The Republicans pushed the gay marriage and abortion issues to successfully split the minority votes. Why do you think that 44% of Hispanics voted for Bush? Kerry realized this and pushed the fact that he is a Catholic but that fall short of Bush and him pushing the religious agenda for the past four years.
5. Democrats discounting the gun owner voters: There is a good reason why the 2nd Amendment has not be abolished; many Americans own guns or believe that they should have the right to own a gun. (BTW, commander-in-chief for the National Guard is still the President, thus making them more like a federal troop than state militia). Kerry knew about this and pointed out numerous times that he's also a hunter and he'll never take the guns away. However, his voting records betray him and the Bush camp used it to win the votes of the gun owners.
6. Democrats pushed the draft issue: Another issue pushed by the left-wingers was the draft, when only draft bill presented so far was by a democrat and only one other democrat voted for it. Now with Bush reelected, where's the draft? Do the left-wingers honestly believe that most Republicans and Democrats will cast a career ending vote for a draft bill even if one makes it to the floor?
I stayed up on the election night to track the results and the exit polls in general seemed to give Bush an edge so I really wasn't surprised that he ended up winning and Kerry conceding rather early. I'm pretty sure that there were miscounted votes and other voting difficulties but I'm pretty sure those issues exis
Why can't they attach a printer to each machine where the voter will see a paper ballot being printed at the same time he/she submitted their vote on the screen? They will hava a last chance to see their vote before it is automatically dropped into a see through box.
Some of the machine with printers did experience problems with them. The moral of the story is that no matter how foolproof you make the voting process to be, the government will find a way to screw it up.
Federal personnel data shows that just 434 civilian federal workers were fired for poor performance in 2001. [cato.org] This is 434 out of how many? Hundreds of thousands? That's a piss-poor record.
I used to know someone who works for the IRS in the small business support deportment. She told me that there are reps there who literally cuss at the customers over the phone because they know that I won't be fired.
I'm sure the venture capitalists will help us out with that, right?
Why does acheving your goals always depend on someone else? There are plenty of independent companies and indivisuals out there that make software. I'm in Colorado and do you know how much it costs to incorporate here? $50.00. I've known many small business owners who've started out with almost nothing.
Uh... they would have an incentive if they started getting sued left, right and centre.
Lawsuits may or may not work, but large scale boycotts always work. When given a choice between lesser profits or bankruptcy, businesses tend to chose lesser profits.
and when it does the system basically becomes a socialism anyway except the corrupt people running it are a bunch of corporation heads instead of a government with accountability.
Government of accountability? Yeah like government officals are not capable of becoming corrupted.
So capitalism was never a sustainable choice: it was always socialism now or socialism later.
I saw three socialist cadidates on the ballet for the last election. Do you honestly believe that the socialists will be taken seriously when they can't even agree with themselves? And can you tell me what's preventing the European countries from having truely socailistic governments?
EA keeps bringing in new people by lying to them, and then running them into the ground.
As long as the consumers keep buying products from them and workers keep applying for their jobs, they have absolutely no incentives to quit their practice. Any geek gamers out there willing to boycott EA's products until they change their ways?
Could the "Free Market" believers just shut the fuck up?
That's nothing that prevent you from opening your own employee friendly company. So I suggest that you shut the fuck up and lead by example since bitching about it on Slashdot doesn't change anything.
BTW, there are plenty of IT and non-IT jobs out there that doesn't require you to do unpaid overtime. The pay will probably be lower but what's more important? Free time or more pay?
Slashdot Mirror
Go ahead, break into 127.0.0.1. I dare you.
I will take that challenge using all of the tools that I have. You'll be sorry when I break into your...
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Same here! My IP address is 127.45.85.201.
Section 716 of the business corporation act states:
...the directors and officers of a corporation shall exercise their powers and discharge their duties with a view to the interests of the corporation and of the shareholders....
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This is quoted from an article written by a corporate attorney proposing a 'Code for Corporate Citizenship' in state law. It can be found at http://www.medialens.org/articles/the_articles/ar
Now I know this is gonna send some of you Radical Republicans over the edge.....
I guess the Radical Democrats are now blaming the Republicans for the actions of a Canadian company.
No one should trust a business to do the right thing, especially if it's unprofitable.
You took the words right out of my mouth. The problem is that many on Slashdot fail to understand that for-profit companies exist FOR PROFIT and thus are labed as "for-profit". Employment is merely a side effect of the company trying to make profit. While I'm not saying that the employers should treat their employees badly on purpose, but if a for-profit company cannot make profit, it has no reason to exist.
But hey, we Americans don't care. Since only 8 Americans died (thus far) in the trajedy, the news isn't covering it the way you might think they would for a single event that has caused (so far) over 20,000 dead.
And since when did you get to speak for all of Americans? If you haven't noticed, tsunami story have been on the front pages of all major U.S. media websites, such as CNN, Fox News, NBC News, and ABC News. Are you so freaking lazy that you're only capable of watching/reading news if it's shown on prime time TV on Fox?
What's really sad is that the bias reflects most Americans: They don't care about it, since Americans weren't affected that much (except the 8 that died). Typical Americans, at most, only care enough to ask "Could this happen to us in America?"
While your actions will most likely be limited to bitching on Slashdot and maybe various other forums, there's already some relief campaigns starting in the U.S.
Having volunteered in soup kitchens in the past, I've noticed that most of the fellow volunteers were from church groups, preppies from various high school and college clubs/organizations, and select few who need to get their court ordered community service done. There are plenty of Americans who do care. Granted, there are also plenty who don't give a damn (and some who act like they care but won't anything about it exact bitching), but because because you fall into this catagory doesn't means every other Americans do as well.
If the press can get hold of classified CIA messages, they shouldn't have any problems founding out of this vote rigging demo was actually used for the election.
The Bush Administration is no fan of civil rights or privacy. Given abominations like the "Patriot" act, it's hard not to jump to conclusions when they float trial balloons like this.
I guess all but one of the Democrat senators voted for PATRIOT Act because they are fan of civil rights or privacy? I'm not a fan of Bush but blaming all of the problems on just one person/group is foolished, IMHO.
The United States is going down the flusher; economically, militarily, socially, politically. You name it, Bush is deliberately trashing his country, and he's only getting started. It takes work to do so much damage so quickly.
Looks like someone forgot to put on his tinfoil hat today. The recent bust was no where close to the Great Depression or even the crash of 1973 or 1987.
And where Bush would never, never cheat to win an election.
I never said Bush would never cheat. Do you have some sort of solid proof that Kerry and his team of lawyers don't have? So what if every single one of those voting machines left a paper trail? You'll simply argue that the Bush camp shredded the paper records and replaced with counterfit copies.
Stupid people are the reason the world is going to hell. Thank you for your contribution.
No,no, no, it is I who have to thank you for your contribution as you add ignorance to your reasoning formula. You'd better watch out because Bush's going to send the FBI after you for talking smack about him and he'll personally draft you after you are released. And you'd better stop using your computer because those evil Republicans can see you using your very own computer monitor.
You and neuek both brought up some good points here. For Bush, it was "Vote for me or the terrorists will get you." and for Kerry, it was "Vote for me or the mega-corps will get you."
But with double-digit percentage increases for the retail sales this weekend and projected $22.8 billion in sales this holiday season, I believe that most Americans already put the election issue behind them and went back to the usual "Let's mimic the government and go further into debt" mode.
The Daily Howler didn't say payroll taxes, it mentioned income taxes and there IS a difference. Perhaps you should actually read the links that you present. Besides, jacking up payroll taxes alone really make the rich pay more as bulk of their wealth in form of unrealized gains from investments, which do not get taxed until the gain is realized and recongnized.
My apologies if you really meant to talk about the Australian PM's influence on the voting habbits of a population halfway around the world from Australia.
I guess that's a long way of saying "You've made a typo".
I could easily say that the Daily Howler is just a left wing propaganda.
But this example may help show how the top fifth only pay 19 percent of their income in overall taxes, as opposed to the 18 percent paid by the bottom fifth
While I agree that Bush's tax cut mainly benifits the rich (I even have a journal entry on it), it seems that the left-wingers do their own share of speading FUD. I grew up in a poor family and after you count for the standard deductions, exemptions, and tax credits, the effective tax rate was no where close to 18%. The author of the Nov 24th article complains that the media doesn't education the public on the tax issues but the auther himself doesn't bother to educate us.
If you really want to learn more about taxes, there are plenty of tax classes that you can take at your local college or read the tax publication that you can download free at the IRS site. Don't listen to the media or the left-wing FUD.
If you are on the bottom fifth of the income level and honestly pay 18% effect tax rate, you are getting ripped off big time and should consider educating yourself instead of listen to this FUD put out by The Daily Howler. For example:
Lets say that you are a single taxpayer who made $24,000 in year 2003. After the basic standard deduction and personal exemption, the taxable income comes out to $16,200. For the first $6,000 made, the income tax on it will be $600. The remaining $10,200 gets taxed at 15%, which comes out to $1,530. Your total income tax will be $2,130, which means that the effective tax rate will be 8.875%.
Or let's say that you are a poor college student working and going to school at the same time making $12,000 a year. In this case, the taxable income will be $4,200, which results in tax of $420. Effective income tax rate in this case would be 3.5%.
A typical "The world revolves around me so anyone who disagrees with me is biased" post. Because a media is owned by a big coporation doesn't mean its contents have to be conservative. Do you honestly believe that media in a liberal cities like San Francisco and New York can afford to be conservative without the risk of losing the readership? Even The Simpsons of Fox Network protray the Republican party as blood suckers because the show's not aimed at the right-wingers.
The last election showed that the American is pretty evenly devided in the middle and the mega-corps motto of "profits first" demands that they cater to the both sides for maximum profit.
Disclaimer: I'm not a Bush fan (I voted for McCain in 2000 and while I wasn't a fan of Kerry either, I voted for him to vote against Bush this year) but I'm getting sick and tired of conspiracy theorists on Slashdot. If you check out my signature, you'll see an insightful speech made by Bill Clinton on why the Democrats lost this election but I will expend on it here. Also note that I used the term "left-wingers" to describe far left liberals, not the Democrats in general.
1. Democrats relied too much on young voters: Problem is that while the 18-24 year old age group makes the most noise, when it comes to voting, they consistently turn out to have the worst voting record. Hollywood celebrities and singers backing Kerry (in hopes of getting young citizens to vote) probably harmed him more by alienating the older voters. Bill Clinton didn't win the election by capturing young voters' votes, he won by capturing the older voters' votes. Now back to Bush vs. Kerry. Majority of voters 65 and older voted for Bush. Majority of voters 24 and younger voted for Kerry. And guess who won?
2. Democrats did not learn form the Austrian elections: The Australian Prime Minister Howard took a lot of heat for supporting Bush and his war in Iraq. The media expected a big loss for Howard on the last election, but Howard ended winning by a good margin. When the Austrian voters were polled, most of them responded that they voted for Howard because economy was a bigger issue than the Iraqi war.
3. Michael Moore and Bin Laden: Telling you that those two guys dislike Bush would be an understatement. However, their messages probably ended up helping Bush more than hurting him. I like Moore's movies because they are entertaining, but unlike the left-wingers, I find his movies highly biased. What Fahrenheit 9/11 did was it ended up causing Bush supporters to work harder to get Bush fans to vote. It's the same thing with the Bin Laden message before the election. Most Americans hate Bin Laden so why does he believe that Americans will listen to him? If he came out and told the Americans to drink milk on Mondays, most Americans will stop drinking milk on Mondays just to spite him.
4. Democrats relied too much on minority voters: Minorities tend to vote Democrat but Democrats didn't realize that minorities can be religious as well and the religious tend to vote Republican. The Republicans pushed the gay marriage and abortion issues to successfully split the minority votes. Why do you think that 44% of Hispanics voted for Bush? Kerry realized this and pushed the fact that he is a Catholic but that fall short of Bush and him pushing the religious agenda for the past four years.
5. Democrats discounting the gun owner voters: There is a good reason why the 2nd Amendment has not be abolished; many Americans own guns or believe that they should have the right to own a gun. (BTW, commander-in-chief for the National Guard is still the President, thus making them more like a federal troop than state militia). Kerry knew about this and pointed out numerous times that he's also a hunter and he'll never take the guns away. However, his voting records betray him and the Bush camp used it to win the votes of the gun owners.
6. Democrats pushed the draft issue: Another issue pushed by the left-wingers was the draft, when only draft bill presented so far was by a democrat and only one other democrat voted for it. Now with Bush reelected, where's the draft? Do the left-wingers honestly believe that most Republicans and Democrats will cast a career ending vote for a draft bill even if one makes it to the floor?
I stayed up on the election night to track the results and the exit polls in general seemed to give Bush an edge so I really wasn't surprised that he ended up winning and Kerry conceding rather early. I'm pretty sure that there were miscounted votes and other voting difficulties but I'm pretty sure those issues exis
Why can't they attach a printer to each machine where the voter will see a paper ballot being printed at the same time he/she submitted their vote on the screen? They will hava a last chance to see their vote before it is automatically dropped into a see through box.
Some of the machine with printers did experience problems with them. The moral of the story is that no matter how foolproof you make the voting process to be, the government will find a way to screw it up.
No one *has* to work at EA. There are plenty of lower-stress jobs out there.
Only problem is that many people want high paying AND low-stress jobs. I guess you don't have to be a mega-corp to be greedy.
Federal personnel data shows that just 434 civilian federal workers were fired for poor performance in 2001. [cato.org] This is 434 out of how many? Hundreds of thousands? That's a piss-poor record.
I used to know someone who works for the IRS in the small business support deportment. She told me that there are reps there who literally cuss at the customers over the phone because they know that I won't be fired.
I'm sure the venture capitalists will help us out with that, right?
Why does acheving your goals always depend on someone else? There are plenty of independent companies and indivisuals out there that make software. I'm in Colorado and do you know how much it costs to incorporate here? $50.00. I've known many small business owners who've started out with almost nothing.
Uh... they would have an incentive if they started getting sued left, right and centre.
Lawsuits may or may not work, but large scale boycotts always work. When given a choice between lesser profits or bankruptcy, businesses tend to chose lesser profits.
and when it does the system basically becomes a socialism anyway except the corrupt people running it are a bunch of corporation heads instead of a government with accountability.
Government of accountability? Yeah like government officals are not capable of becoming corrupted.
So capitalism was never a sustainable choice: it was always socialism now or socialism later.
I saw three socialist cadidates on the ballet for the last election. Do you honestly believe that the socialists will be taken seriously when they can't even agree with themselves? And can you tell me what's preventing the European countries from having truely socailistic governments?
EA keeps bringing in new people by lying to them, and then running them into the ground.
As long as the consumers keep buying products from them and workers keep applying for their jobs, they have absolutely no incentives to quit their practice. Any geek gamers out there willing to boycott EA's products until they change their ways?
Could the "Free Market" believers just shut the fuck up?
That's nothing that prevent you from opening your own employee friendly company. So I suggest that you shut the fuck up and lead by example since bitching about it on Slashdot doesn't change anything.
BTW, there are plenty of IT and non-IT jobs out there that doesn't require you to do unpaid overtime. The pay will probably be lower but what's more important? Free time or more pay?
Maybe the geeks can boycott EA and donate the money saved from not buying their games to FOSS organizations and charities that help the poor.
and so do those who voted for in this government.
I ended up voting for Kerry but he also voted for the Patriot Act so it wouldn't have made any difference even if he won.