Very true, we have the engineering/production and funding/capitalization part down right but oh the sales!!! (there is a reason why I'm in IT, not sales...)
" Yeah, because all IT folks are the same people, with the same job and the same opinion..."
Humm so looks like slashdotters don't have any problems lumping all the businessmen into one group but gets offended if they are lumped into one group...
It was before I started working here but the company that I work for (full time, not the side-business) laid off some workers after signing up with another company that manages e-commerce site for us. I do believe that the e-commerce web sites are way to go, but that also means that people taking orders and doing paperworks will lose their job.
I think that it's laughable that there are so many poeple on/. that they are smarter than the big businesses but don't bother to start their own address.
My two partners and I run a small business. All of our specialties are in IT. We are in need of a good salesperson as we have lost several potential clients because none of us have good sales skills or experience. Good product and service to matter but only after you sell the product and gain clients!
I'll have to say that some of the most closed minded people I've met in my life are the IT people. They complain about the management, yet they don't take the time to take business classes, read business books, or research business publications to better understand them.
As the designated administrative person for the business, I've taken several business courses so far. Do you think that assembly language is hard? Try taking a class in tax laws. And after taking several accounting courses, I now better understand why some businesses run their businesses a certain way.
IT and other high-tech folks didn't have any problems introducing hardware and software to displace blue-collar workers, also with familites and mortgages. Now they bitch and complain when the tables are turned on them.
Because that evil corporation feels that that lowly programmer provides more service to the corporation than what it pays him/her. Otherwise, they would've been laid off.
This reminds me of the Poland Spring Water class action suit. The suit is brought on by a law firm on "behalf" of the consumers. Thank god for those lawyers caring for consumers since we are too stupid to know that eating fast food will make us fat and playing M rated games will cause us to go on a shooting rampage.
Let's say that Jon's the founder and sole owner of Some Tech, Inc. Jon's doing pretty well and was approched by two investors named Joe and Bob. They wanted to buy 30% of the stock (for simplicity's sake, let's say that there is only one class of stock, common.) each. Jon wanted to see your business grow and since he'll still own the majority of the stock in the company. A couple of months later, Bob sells all of his shares to Joe (they were friends) and Bob becomes the controlling interest in the company. Soon after, he elects himself and his buddies as the new board of directors and removes Jon as both the director and the officer of the company.
Now you can argue that Joe is a shady guy all day long, but the fact is that Jon's the one who ultimatly gave up the control of the company. Therefore, I don't feel sorry for anyone who was 'victimized' because they didn't do their research. Maybe there is a good reason why the founders of Google decided not to go public at this time.
You do have a good point, however, won't the BIOS be more transparent to the non-techie users? And I thought that the Turbotax had product activation technology instead of the DRM?
Can we mix and match? I want to blame a Convervative who is a union president that voted for Bush but burned a SUV who married a socialist dictator communist that worked for RIAA and is prochoice.
Slashdotter fantasy: We as consumers throughout the world can take a stand and boycott DRM enabled BIOSes, therefore chasing Phoenix Tech to full back or go out of business.
Reality: Most consumers wouldn't give a rat's ass about it as they are busy looking at porn off the net. When it's too late, they will blame _______ (insert big business and Republicans if you are liberal, or trial lawyers and Democrats if you are conservative) about it on Slashdot.
I didn't know that Linus decided to integrate sendmail, php, LinuxNode, an Amateur Packet Radio Node program, perl, up2date (Red Hat), pam_smb, vmware, horde MTA, gdm, Mindi, eroaster, Gallery, and atari800 into the offical Linux kernal. Is this the new Mega Supersized Linux Macrokernal?
No more like you are too lazy. I may disagree with Gates' business policies but he probably put in more hours into his work than your average slashdotters.
Here's a real life example. I had a roommate who is a high school drop out. He works at a low paying dead end job and lives paycheck to paycheck as I had to loan in money time to time when unexpected expenses came up. Do you know why he lives paycheck to paycheck? He spends all his free money and time on video games. If he cuts his gaming in half and did a little bit of part time work, he can easily save about $500 a month. I had tried to get him to get a GED. I also told him that he will be eligible for finanical aid, enough to attend a community or state college without having to pay anything out of his pocket. Of course, he'd rather spend his time playing games then on education.
My uncle came to US when he was 35 years old. He did not speak any english at that time. He started with job as a janitor. He also picked up a part time job as a painter. He worked over 60 hours a weeking cleaning and painting. After he became good at painting, he opened up a painting business with his brother. They made decent money but they didn't blow it on fancy cars or phat gaming or entertainment systems (they still use a beat up van for work). Instead, they saved it. In the early 90's they moved to California and used their and investors' money to buy real estate. During the economic boom, the value of the real estate jumped and the rest is history.
So is there a gap wealth gap between my uncle and ex-roommate? Yes! Do I have a problem with it? Absolutly not!
BTW my uncle didn't forget all the hardships that he endured and have set up a scholarship fund for low-income students. You claim to have a conscience but I can say that my uncle does more to help the poor out than the likes of you.
Hey AC, that's your opinion, not the truth. There is a difference.
1. Big businesses may have a big voice but it's the citizens who have voting power. Why do you think that the politicions often change their mind if there is a massive public outcry about a bill they support or oppose? And did you know that citizens have right to testify (and often do) at committee hearing just like lobbiests do? Often, majority of citizens chose not to excrise and it's their own fault for not exercizing it.
2. If you really thought for yourself, you'll know that the open-source software is the answer. Then there will be no need for out sourcing. And as the IP stuff goes, it's businesses vs businesses at this point. Think SCO vs. IBM. Is SCO is a big business and IBM is the poster child for big business. Many of us wants IBM to win so I guess a big, make that a mega big business winning could help all of us out on certain cases. When enough cititzens start feeling the effects of IP laws, they'll start complaining to their Reps and then the changes will start to happen.
3. Of course it's CEO's job to provide most returns for the stock holders (within the legal limits, otherwise, they deserve to go to jail). Why do you think that they are called FOR-PROFIT businesses instead of NON-PROFIT business? Surly, even you can understand a simple concept such as this.
4. There is no such thing is limitless profits as that is impossible. I'm certain that most CEO's had classes in economics and economics talk about finite resources.
5. And IT didn't have problems providing software and hardware to companies which allowed them to cut their labor. Now the IT people help problems because it's their turn to be cut.
6 and 7. Once countries like China and India does produce more IP related products, they will start to care. And besides, if respect for Copyrights are so important in the U.S., why are services like Kazaa so popular?
8. As stated before, use open source for mission critial softwares.
9. Did you know that it's the comsumers who control over 2/3rds of the economy? Wal-Mart didn't put mom and pop stores out of business, it was the consumers who decided to shop at Wal-Mart who put the small business out of business. Can you see that the big businesses mimic the behavior consumers who tries to save costs?
Where will those American families go? The whole world is in recession. Heck I wouldn't mind lazy people going somewhere else and let select hard working Mexicans in the country.
I am award that GAAP and tax procedures don't match one to one (it does say tax payable instead of paid) but 2 billion gap is significant unless they did some major Enron style accounting. If they did, then they should be held accountable.
Is that the best you can do? It's like me asking you why Chevy's are the best and you directing me to a Chevy website. The websites you've listed are left wing political websites. Where as the information I cited is a financial statement filed with SEC.
Maybe you should have IRS audit MS since their financial statement shows that they owe over 2 BILLION in taxes (and this is from a public record) and you stated MS pays ZERO in taxes. And if IRS asks if you have proof, just point them to the websites that you've listed. I'm pretty sure that IRS will take your word for it as it's not like those web sites are biased.
Maybe people like Michael Dell are rich because he founded his company with $1000 instead of spending that money on a gamining system/car/weed/beer. And that's why there's a wealth gap in America.
You do have a very good point here. I know people who got laid of because if advancements brought on by IT, such as my friend's mom getting laid of at the air bag factory, replaced by high-tech robots.
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Who says you have to run sendmail on *NIX? qmail works fine for me and there are other alternatives.
When did they start putting mySQL in the Linux kernel?
Very true, we have the engineering/production and funding/capitalization part down right but oh the sales!!! (there is a reason why I'm in IT, not sales...)
" Yeah, because all IT folks are the same people, with the same job and the same opinion..."
Humm so looks like slashdotters don't have any problems lumping all the businessmen into one group but gets offended if they are lumped into one group...
It was before I started working here but the company that I work for (full time, not the side-business) laid off some workers after signing up with another company that manages e-commerce site for us. I do believe that the e-commerce web sites are way to go, but that also means that people taking orders and doing paperworks will lose their job.
I think that it's laughable that there are so many poeple on /. that they are smarter than the big businesses but don't bother to start their own address.
My two partners and I run a small business. All of our specialties are in IT. We are in need of a good salesperson as we have lost several potential clients because none of us have good sales skills or experience. Good product and service to matter but only after you sell the product and gain clients!
I'll have to say that some of the most closed minded people I've met in my life are the IT people. They complain about the management, yet they don't take the time to take business classes, read business books, or research business publications to better understand them.
As the designated administrative person for the business, I've taken several business courses so far. Do you think that assembly language is hard? Try taking a class in tax laws. And after taking several accounting courses, I now better understand why some businesses run their businesses a certain way.
And how do you suppose whining will solve your problems?
IT and other high-tech folks didn't have any problems introducing hardware and software to displace blue-collar workers, also with familites and mortgages. Now they bitch and complain when the tables are turned on them.
Because that evil corporation feels that that lowly programmer provides more service to the corporation than what it pays him/her. Otherwise, they would've been laid off.
Nazi's also outlawed private ownership of guns. So I guess if you are pro-gun control, you are a Nazi.
I find it ironic that your average slashdotter don't mind big businesses and the management as evil but don't mind carrying out their evil agendas.
If your evil company is run by evil businessmen with evil agenda and you are a drone carrying out those evil agendas, than you are also EVIL.
If I owned a business, I would not hire anyone from SCO after that faithful day, just as I would not hire senior accountants from Enron.
This reminds me of the Poland Spring Water class action suit. The suit is brought on by a law firm on "behalf" of the consumers. Thank god for those lawyers caring for consumers since we are too stupid to know that eating fast food will make us fat and playing M rated games will cause us to go on a shooting rampage.
Think of it this way, as soon as someone in the Congress tries to limit lawsuits, he/she will be labled anti-consumer and pro-business.
In the end, he has no one to blame but himself.
Let's say that Jon's the founder and sole owner of Some Tech, Inc. Jon's doing pretty well and was approched by two investors named Joe and Bob. They wanted to buy 30% of the stock (for simplicity's sake, let's say that there is only one class of stock, common.) each. Jon wanted to see your business grow and since he'll still own the majority of the stock in the company. A couple of months later, Bob sells all of his shares to Joe (they were friends) and Bob becomes the controlling interest in the company. Soon after, he elects himself and his buddies as the new board of directors and removes Jon as both the director and the officer of the company.
Now you can argue that Joe is a shady guy all day long, but the fact is that Jon's the one who ultimatly gave up the control of the company. Therefore, I don't feel sorry for anyone who was 'victimized' because they didn't do their research. Maybe there is a good reason why the founders of Google decided not to go public at this time.
You can get java at Starbucks and Starbucks are everywhere. Besides, .NET just doesn't sound refreshing.
You do have a good point, however, won't the BIOS be more transparent to the non-techie users? And I thought that the Turbotax had product activation technology instead of the DRM?
Can we mix and match? I want to blame a Convervative who is a union president that voted for Bush but burned a SUV who married a socialist dictator communist that worked for RIAA and is prochoice.
Slashdotter fantasy: We as consumers throughout the world can take a stand and boycott DRM enabled BIOSes, therefore chasing Phoenix Tech to full back or go out of business.
Reality: Most consumers wouldn't give a rat's ass about it as they are busy looking at porn off the net. When it's too late, they will blame _______ (insert big business and Republicans if you are liberal, or trial lawyers and Democrats if you are conservative) about it on Slashdot.
Recent news: IBM lays off 15,000 workers Translation: 15,000 workers fired for dying on the job.
I didn't know that Linus decided to integrate sendmail, php, LinuxNode, an Amateur Packet Radio Node program, perl, up2date (Red Hat), pam_smb, vmware, horde MTA, gdm, Mindi, eroaster, Gallery, and atari800 into the offical Linux kernal. Is this the new Mega Supersized Linux Macrokernal?
No more like you are too lazy. I may disagree with Gates' business policies but he probably put in more hours into his work than your average slashdotters. Here's a real life example. I had a roommate who is a high school drop out. He works at a low paying dead end job and lives paycheck to paycheck as I had to loan in money time to time when unexpected expenses came up. Do you know why he lives paycheck to paycheck? He spends all his free money and time on video games. If he cuts his gaming in half and did a little bit of part time work, he can easily save about $500 a month. I had tried to get him to get a GED. I also told him that he will be eligible for finanical aid, enough to attend a community or state college without having to pay anything out of his pocket. Of course, he'd rather spend his time playing games then on education.
My uncle came to US when he was 35 years old. He did not speak any english at that time. He started with job as a janitor. He also picked up a part time job as a painter. He worked over 60 hours a weeking cleaning and painting. After he became good at painting, he opened up a painting business with his brother. They made decent money but they didn't blow it on fancy cars or phat gaming or entertainment systems (they still use a beat up van for work). Instead, they saved it. In the early 90's they moved to California and used their and investors' money to buy real estate. During the economic boom, the value of the real estate jumped and the rest is history.
So is there a gap wealth gap between my uncle and ex-roommate? Yes! Do I have a problem with it? Absolutly not!
BTW my uncle didn't forget all the hardships that he endured and have set up a scholarship fund for low-income students. You claim to have a conscience but I can say that my uncle does more to help the poor out than the likes of you.
Hey AC, that's your opinion, not the truth. There is a difference. 1. Big businesses may have a big voice but it's the citizens who have voting power. Why do you think that the politicions often change their mind if there is a massive public outcry about a bill they support or oppose? And did you know that citizens have right to testify (and often do) at committee hearing just like lobbiests do? Often, majority of citizens chose not to excrise and it's their own fault for not exercizing it. 2. If you really thought for yourself, you'll know that the open-source software is the answer. Then there will be no need for out sourcing. And as the IP stuff goes, it's businesses vs businesses at this point. Think SCO vs. IBM. Is SCO is a big business and IBM is the poster child for big business. Many of us wants IBM to win so I guess a big, make that a mega big business winning could help all of us out on certain cases. When enough cititzens start feeling the effects of IP laws, they'll start complaining to their Reps and then the changes will start to happen. 3. Of course it's CEO's job to provide most returns for the stock holders (within the legal limits, otherwise, they deserve to go to jail). Why do you think that they are called FOR-PROFIT businesses instead of NON-PROFIT business? Surly, even you can understand a simple concept such as this. 4. There is no such thing is limitless profits as that is impossible. I'm certain that most CEO's had classes in economics and economics talk about finite resources. 5. And IT didn't have problems providing software and hardware to companies which allowed them to cut their labor. Now the IT people help problems because it's their turn to be cut. 6 and 7. Once countries like China and India does produce more IP related products, they will start to care. And besides, if respect for Copyrights are so important in the U.S., why are services like Kazaa so popular? 8. As stated before, use open source for mission critial softwares. 9. Did you know that it's the comsumers who control over 2/3rds of the economy? Wal-Mart didn't put mom and pop stores out of business, it was the consumers who decided to shop at Wal-Mart who put the small business out of business. Can you see that the big businesses mimic the behavior consumers who tries to save costs? Where will those American families go? The whole world is in recession. Heck I wouldn't mind lazy people going somewhere else and let select hard working Mexicans in the country.
I am award that GAAP and tax procedures don't match one to one (it does say tax payable instead of paid) but 2 billion gap is significant unless they did some major Enron style accounting. If they did, then they should be held accountable.
Is that the best you can do? It's like me asking you why Chevy's are the best and you directing me to a Chevy website. The websites you've listed are left wing political websites. Where as the information I cited is a financial statement filed with SEC. Maybe you should have IRS audit MS since their financial statement shows that they owe over 2 BILLION in taxes (and this is from a public record) and you stated MS pays ZERO in taxes. And if IRS asks if you have proof, just point them to the websites that you've listed. I'm pretty sure that IRS will take your word for it as it's not like those web sites are biased. Maybe people like Michael Dell are rich because he founded his company with $1000 instead of spending that money on a gamining system/car/weed/beer. And that's why there's a wealth gap in America.
You do have a very good point here. I know people who got laid of because if advancements brought on by IT, such as my friend's mom getting laid of at the air bag factory, replaced by high-tech robots.