You have to start somewhere. 90% of the stuff I see coming to the kitchen is still pieced together as wires. It's companies scrambling to find a market for their old appliances without asking what people need. Get a bunch of cheap dev kits to aspiring cooks that can program and see what shakes out in 5-10 years. I just got MicroPython on a $3 board. That's damn amazing in my book growing up longing for a dev kit I could afford on my birthday money.
The IoT can do that, and more. You pull a frozen turkey from the freezer, put it into the cooking appliance. It weighs it, texts you asking how you want it done and then ramp soaks the perfect cooking profile and you get a text message when it's done. All of the pieces exist they just need pieced together.
Compare 'now' to 1980s. This all is going to look that much different in 2052.
Maybe not in the demographic you know but I know a lot of people with them. The Dash is already on V2 and they're selling them by the 5 pack. We're thinking of picking some up just so that I can take Alexa out to the shop or to my Office.
I scoffed at the whole thing too since I did it a decade ago. A SheevaPlug (long before Pi came out) and a $70 relay board shipped from Austrailia and I had Text, Web and E-mail control of my HVAC system. It was a boring 1.0 but it worked for 2 years.
I put it all off and went about my life and started to get back into it and they've improved a lot in 8 years and in another 8 it'll be ubiquitous. 80% of the lights we use every day are on Z-wave. As are locks. HVAC looks to be a RS485 (It's finally made it to residential) and Alexa. We bought the Echo as a 'eh we'll try it out' and it's become a centerpiece to parts of our house. It's convenient and is actually a timesaver. If your hands are covered in chicken from cooking you can set a timer, turn off the lights, and turn to NPR. There's a Jeopardy app that is pretty terrible but a decent beta of what it is capable of.
Yeah, I know you're listening NSA. You can go fuck yourselves on here too. It's not like it's hard to get out of her range. And if the NSA could decipher twice what she could they'd still know nothing.
That said she still has *a lot* of bugs. We'd pay in a heartbeat to upgrade to something that could understand better. But I don't want it for the house, I want it for the office and the shop. "Alex^H^H^H^H Jarvis, order new oil filters". Jarvis what is the volume of the object I'm holding? Jarvis where are the kids. Jarvis start the oven....
If you're a privacy nut there will be a FOSS version that is N-1.5 versions older than what Amazon, Google or Apple are offering. They're already out there. The only thing that's not self hosted right now is Alexa. A Wand board in the basement is running the house. The house has a home page where I can check all the locks, doors kill the lights and check security cameras. Something that would have taken 45 minutes to do before bed I can pull up and check. 45 minutes saved to do *other* things.
And yes, old tea kettles are fine, if you have the exact same rigid schedule. With Alexa and some Arduino you could say "Earl Grey, Hot" and have it ready in a few minutes. Or just start when you are on your way to the office so it's ready.
The entire kitchen is due for an overhaul. Every appliance there has pretty much a hysteresis bang bang controller, it's off or on. It's inefficient and has poor temp control. Could you imagine if your car's cruise control controller was as bad as your oven temp? Everything from opening the door to how stuff cooks is a first order thermo transfer function any sophomore ME could do better. Between the microwave, oven, toaster and/or toaster oven you should be able to make a highly controlled easy bake style oven that would cover the needs of 80% of american kitchens.
And the point isn't that it saves YOU the 0.1$ a week. It's that it saves 300,000,000M people 0.1$. Tiny savings add up when you scale. Semi manufacturers will fight over 0.1MPG savings per truck when talking to Walmart and other fleet operators.
And if you want to live in the woods and rub two sticks together you can still do that. Amish were left be. No one is going to steal your tea kettle. I can still find VCRs on sale in the store, you'll find your tea kettle too.
As long as Hillary wants to 'correct the record' Trump gets his online engine too. The DNC's youth (and staying power online) was mostly behind the Bernie campaign. Any attempt by Hillary to 'connect to the youth' has backfired terribly. Most recently in her Between Two Ferns interview.
After some 'incidents' the high schools around here let students know that their first amendment rights didn't go to football games. Some photo of a bunch of teens with a trump banner saluting. It went 'viral' in this region. If I had to guess knowing teens they're Trump because their parents are "Anyone but". A lot of the 4chan, "shit posting" youth of 2016 is behind Trump and it shows on Reddit (Where there's a strong correlation to "Red Pillers"). [And consequently a lot of Bernie teens because their parents are Trumpers].
It's 21st century political satire. If the memes were in the NY Times as a political cartoon it would be ignored.
See, there you go again. Your position on facts/feelings changes depends on *your* feelings.
Safe spaces are absolutely vital
But the facts about safe spaces don't back that up. It didn't even take a separate comment thread for you to "argue that feelings are more important than facts now".
and thus you need places where people can safely discuss controversial ideas.
Which is the exact opposite of a safe space.
You are not entitled to be part of every conversation.
But when presented with matters of social justice, "women in the work force", safe spaces and all of the rest of your rhetoric you "reject expect advice and facts and go with [your] feelings"?
GOP politicians have even started arguing that feelings are more important than facts now,
I'm just going to bookmark this comment for the next time you want a safe space for you and your cohort's feelings.
Clinton screwed up
everything she's touched back to before Bill was a governor?
Gasbag Joe Liberman... LOL right on! I just moved from Michigan, and he's one quack I'm not sorry to see gone. Well everyone knows that the liberal agenda includes removing any personal responsibility or blame for your actions from you, and putting them in the lap of big scary corporations and 'the internet' and such. Blah.;) ST
I'm contracted to a state government, and let me tell you, everyone here saves EVERYthing for cover-your-ass purposes.. it's really sad to see every little memo back to 1997 in someone's inbox taking up PHAT amounts of disk space on the GroupWise server... sigh
"Why would I want to own a car when my horse is perfectly good".
You check the "car with car seat" tic mark on your 'order car' options. Just like you can order a car, van or truck depending on what you need it to do.
Additionally my wife and I survived with a single car seat just fine. Perhaps get a car seat that is easier to install.
I supposed to be speaking for everyone now
Based on your responses to self driving car stories you have been trying to for some time.
Well it works for you, it must work for everyone. Lets put the brakes on this whole "automated cars thing" some guy on Slashdot prefers his manual car.
The Amish do exist and continue their lifestyle despite the rest of us moving on. You're more than welcome to do what ever you want. The rest of us will move on with progress.
Yes. Jesus. You come up with the most contrived scenarios that are easy for computers to solve and difficult for humans. Any sensor running at a few MHz is better than a human checking cell phone or speedometer every 0.1Hz.
Yes. The answer to almost any stupid question you're going to have is yes. A computer can do that.
This Anonymous Coward learned one way in school so therefore all students will learn the same way. We've solved all of the educational issues because Anonymous Coward found the one way that they learned.
You can build an 8-bit computer in minecraft. Red stone is basic logic gates. People have built fully automated tools and processes using very basic resources.
I'd hire a top Minecraft builder to build my Simulink models over most Engineers I've seen that use it.
I'm interested in what paint drying you're watching that teaches you that much about chemistry and thermo.
Slashdot Mirror
Remember that 40% counts IT admins that ask Reddit for advice. Every deadbeat coworker that has survived by kissing ass or nepotism.
And that's nothing unique to IT. It's like that in everywhere I've worked.
The sturdy ol' whistling tea kettle from 1972 may be blackened but it still functions perfectly!
Because all the ones that failed from 1972 got thrown away. Survivorship bias.
While others are busy installing updates and removing viruses and cookies from the kettle,
Not if it was designed correctly.
No, I'm someone that values my time.
You have to start somewhere. 90% of the stuff I see coming to the kitchen is still pieced together as wires. It's companies scrambling to find a market for their old appliances without asking what people need. Get a bunch of cheap dev kits to aspiring cooks that can program and see what shakes out in 5-10 years. I just got MicroPython on a $3 board. That's damn amazing in my book growing up longing for a dev kit I could afford on my birthday money.
The IoT can do that, and more. You pull a frozen turkey from the freezer, put it into the cooking appliance. It weighs it, texts you asking how you want it done and then ramp soaks the perfect cooking profile and you get a text message when it's done. All of the pieces exist they just need pieced together.
Compare 'now' to 1980s. This all is going to look that much different in 2052.
I have. I use it daily. I finally just connected the lights to Alexa and set into reading the man pages for home-assistant and making my config file.
ESP32 boards are cheap have lots of IO and are coming.
Maybe not in the demographic you know but I know a lot of people with them. The Dash is already on V2 and they're selling them by the 5 pack. We're thinking of picking some up just so that I can take Alexa out to the shop or to my Office.
It's coming. Just like self driving cars.
I scoffed at the whole thing too since I did it a decade ago. A SheevaPlug (long before Pi came out) and a $70 relay board shipped from Austrailia and I had Text, Web and E-mail control of my HVAC system. It was a boring 1.0 but it worked for 2 years.
I put it all off and went about my life and started to get back into it and they've improved a lot in 8 years and in another 8 it'll be ubiquitous. 80% of the lights we use every day are on Z-wave. As are locks. HVAC looks to be a RS485 (It's finally made it to residential) and Alexa. We bought the Echo as a 'eh we'll try it out' and it's become a centerpiece to parts of our house. It's convenient and is actually a timesaver. If your hands are covered in chicken from cooking you can set a timer, turn off the lights, and turn to NPR. There's a Jeopardy app that is pretty terrible but a decent beta of what it is capable of.
Yeah, I know you're listening NSA. You can go fuck yourselves on here too. It's not like it's hard to get out of her range. And if the NSA could decipher twice what she could they'd still know nothing.
That said she still has *a lot* of bugs. We'd pay in a heartbeat to upgrade to something that could understand better. But I don't want it for the house, I want it for the office and the shop. "Alex^H^H^H^H Jarvis, order new oil filters". Jarvis what is the volume of the object I'm holding? Jarvis where are the kids. Jarvis start the oven....
If you're a privacy nut there will be a FOSS version that is N-1.5 versions older than what Amazon, Google or Apple are offering. They're already out there. The only thing that's not self hosted right now is Alexa. A Wand board in the basement is running the house. The house has a home page where I can check all the locks, doors kill the lights and check security cameras. Something that would have taken 45 minutes to do before bed I can pull up and check. 45 minutes saved to do *other* things.
And yes, old tea kettles are fine, if you have the exact same rigid schedule. With Alexa and some Arduino you could say "Earl Grey, Hot" and have it ready in a few minutes. Or just start when you are on your way to the office so it's ready.
The entire kitchen is due for an overhaul. Every appliance there has pretty much a hysteresis bang bang controller, it's off or on. It's inefficient and has poor temp control. Could you imagine if your car's cruise control controller was as bad as your oven temp? Everything from opening the door to how stuff cooks is a first order thermo transfer function any sophomore ME could do better. Between the microwave, oven, toaster and/or toaster oven you should be able to make a highly controlled easy bake style oven that would cover the needs of 80% of american kitchens.
And the point isn't that it saves YOU the 0.1$ a week. It's that it saves 300,000,000M people 0.1$. Tiny savings add up when you scale. Semi manufacturers will fight over 0.1MPG savings per truck when talking to Walmart and other fleet operators.
And if you want to live in the woods and rub two sticks together you can still do that. Amish were left be. No one is going to steal your tea kettle. I can still find VCRs on sale in the store, you'll find your tea kettle too.
As long as Hillary wants to 'correct the record' Trump gets his online engine too. The DNC's youth (and staying power online) was mostly behind the Bernie campaign. Any attempt by Hillary to 'connect to the youth' has backfired terribly. Most recently in her Between Two Ferns interview.
After some 'incidents' the high schools around here let students know that their first amendment rights didn't go to football games. Some photo of a bunch of teens with a trump banner saluting. It went 'viral' in this region. If I had to guess knowing teens they're Trump because their parents are "Anyone but". A lot of the 4chan, "shit posting" youth of 2016 is behind Trump and it shows on Reddit (Where there's a strong correlation to "Red Pillers"). [And consequently a lot of Bernie teens because their parents are Trumpers].
It's 21st century political satire. If the memes were in the NY Times as a political cartoon it would be ignored.
I'm not interested in people feeling
See, there you go again. Your position on facts/feelings changes depends on *your* feelings.
Safe spaces are absolutely vital
But the facts about safe spaces don't back that up. It didn't even take a separate comment thread for you to "argue that feelings are more important than facts now".
and thus you need places where people can safely discuss controversial ideas.
Which is the exact opposite of a safe space.
You are not entitled to be part of every conversation.
Tell me more of your feelings on the matter.
and go with their feelings.
But when presented with matters of social justice, "women in the work force", safe spaces and all of the rest of your rhetoric you "reject expect advice and facts and go with [your] feelings"?
GOP politicians have even started arguing that feelings are more important than facts now,
I'm just going to bookmark this comment for the next time you want a safe space for you and your cohort's feelings.
Clinton screwed up
everything she's touched back to before Bill was a governor?
And archives of 'stonebear's Reddit Posts:
http://archive.is/KYaF0
http://archive.is/TCbPU
http://archive.is/OoSMr
http://archive.is/OoSMr
http://archive.is/MjyK3
http://archive.is/lDzk0
http://archive.is/o4hrr
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http://archive.is/cfCeL
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There are? I only found 3 posts.
The IIS patches aren't on liveupdate, you have to go get them
- https://slashdot.org/comments....
Re: "Big Brother" and the Web
Gasbag Joe Liberman ... LOL right on! I just moved from Michigan, and he's one quack I'm not sorry to see gone. Well everyone knows that the liberal agenda includes removing any personal responsibility or blame for your actions from you, and putting them in the lap of big scary corporations and 'the internet' and such. Blah. ;) ST
- https://slashdot.org/comments....
And my personal favorite:
Document Retention - How Long is Too Long?
I'm contracted to a state government, and let me tell you, everyone here saves EVERYthing for cover-your-ass purposes.. it's really sad to see every little memo back to 1997 in someone's inbox taking up PHAT amounts of disk space on the GroupWise server ... sigh
https://slashdot.org/comments....
I guess once you get to certain levels of government the "CYA" is deleting all of your e-mails.
Both sides are a shit show in their own special ways. At this point I just want a comfy chair and some popcorn.
"Why would I want to own a car when my horse is perfectly good".
You check the "car with car seat" tic mark on your 'order car' options. Just like you can order a car, van or truck depending on what you need it to do.
Additionally my wife and I survived with a single car seat just fine. Perhaps get a car seat that is easier to install.
I supposed to be speaking for everyone now
Based on your responses to self driving car stories you have been trying to for some time.
Well it works for you, it must work for everyone. Lets put the brakes on this whole "automated cars thing" some guy on Slashdot prefers his manual car.
The Amish do exist and continue their lifestyle despite the rest of us moving on. You're more than welcome to do what ever you want. The rest of us will move on with progress.
Yes. Jesus. You come up with the most contrived scenarios that are easy for computers to solve and difficult for humans. Any sensor running at a few MHz is better than a human checking cell phone or speedometer every 0.1Hz.
Yes. The answer to almost any stupid question you're going to have is yes. A computer can do that.
So the lowest bidder can't get the software right?
Is your horse broken?
It's obvious looking back now that USB was a superior solution. People said the exact same things you're saying now back then about USB.
At least Bluetooth devices exist in the quantities they do.
"If I asked my customers what they wanted they would have said a faster horse". - Henry Ford
Either the experiment works and everyone ditches the headphone jack or it fails and everyone gets a laugh.
Given the number of other things Apple's done like this I'll side on this becoming a trend.
This Anonymous Coward learned one way in school so therefore all students will learn the same way. We've solved all of the educational issues because Anonymous Coward found the one way that they learned.
After looking through my kids future school's budget I really want to know how your school district started looking at Linux in the classroom.
They were proud that they saved $20k on anti-virus software by buying in bulk... without saying how much they spent.
You mean the way that's boring and doesn't get the students engaged in the learning? Yeah. We tried that. It doesn't work for a majority of students.
You can build an 8-bit computer in minecraft. Red stone is basic logic gates. People have built fully automated tools and processes using very basic resources.
I'd hire a top Minecraft builder to build my Simulink models over most Engineers I've seen that use it.
I'm interested in what paint drying you're watching that teaches you that much about chemistry and thermo.
And how many people know VBA exists? Perhaps if they had a coding course in high school.