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Apple Is Getting Ready To Take On Google and Amazon In a Battle For The Living Room (qz.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Siri may soon be making the jump from your pocket to your end table. Apple has been working on a standalone product to control internet-of-things devices for a while, but a new report from Bloomberg suggests that the company has moved the project from a research phase to prototyping. It would theoretically be pitted against other smart-home devices, including Amazon's sleeper hit, the Echo, and Google's forthcoming Home Hub. According to the report, Apple's device would be controlled using its Siri voice assistant technology. It would be able to perform the same functions that it can complete now on iPhones, Macs, and other Apple products, such as being able to tell you when the San Francisco Giants are next playing, or possibly send a poorly transcribed text message. The device would also be able to control other internet-connected devices in the home, such as lights, door locks, and web-enabled appliances, as Google and Amazon's products can. It would also have the same ability to play music through built-in speakers.

114 comments

  1. Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1.) There is no "Internet of Things", it's an invention by marketing engineers for a few niche products that nobody needs. Tea kettles without Internet will always be cheaper than those with Internet connection, hence the "internet of things" bubble will burst.

    2.) Anybody who voluntarily puts an Orwellian televisor device into his home that transmits everything he says to Google or Amazon or Apple, is mentally retarded and should relieve the world off his presence.

    Thank you for your attention!

    1. Re:Two comments by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's coming. Just like self driving cars.

      I scoffed at the whole thing too since I did it a decade ago. A SheevaPlug (long before Pi came out) and a $70 relay board shipped from Austrailia and I had Text, Web and E-mail control of my HVAC system. It was a boring 1.0 but it worked for 2 years.

      I put it all off and went about my life and started to get back into it and they've improved a lot in 8 years and in another 8 it'll be ubiquitous. 80% of the lights we use every day are on Z-wave. As are locks. HVAC looks to be a RS485 (It's finally made it to residential) and Alexa. We bought the Echo as a 'eh we'll try it out' and it's become a centerpiece to parts of our house. It's convenient and is actually a timesaver. If your hands are covered in chicken from cooking you can set a timer, turn off the lights, and turn to NPR. There's a Jeopardy app that is pretty terrible but a decent beta of what it is capable of.

      Yeah, I know you're listening NSA. You can go fuck yourselves on here too. It's not like it's hard to get out of her range. And if the NSA could decipher twice what she could they'd still know nothing.

      That said she still has *a lot* of bugs. We'd pay in a heartbeat to upgrade to something that could understand better. But I don't want it for the house, I want it for the office and the shop. "Alex^H^H^H^H Jarvis, order new oil filters". Jarvis what is the volume of the object I'm holding? Jarvis where are the kids. Jarvis start the oven....

      If you're a privacy nut there will be a FOSS version that is N-1.5 versions older than what Amazon, Google or Apple are offering. They're already out there. The only thing that's not self hosted right now is Alexa. A Wand board in the basement is running the house. The house has a home page where I can check all the locks, doors kill the lights and check security cameras. Something that would have taken 45 minutes to do before bed I can pull up and check. 45 minutes saved to do *other* things.

      And yes, old tea kettles are fine, if you have the exact same rigid schedule. With Alexa and some Arduino you could say "Earl Grey, Hot" and have it ready in a few minutes. Or just start when you are on your way to the office so it's ready.

      The entire kitchen is due for an overhaul. Every appliance there has pretty much a hysteresis bang bang controller, it's off or on. It's inefficient and has poor temp control. Could you imagine if your car's cruise control controller was as bad as your oven temp? Everything from opening the door to how stuff cooks is a first order thermo transfer function any sophomore ME could do better. Between the microwave, oven, toaster and/or toaster oven you should be able to make a highly controlled easy bake style oven that would cover the needs of 80% of american kitchens.

      And the point isn't that it saves YOU the 0.1$ a week. It's that it saves 300,000,000M people 0.1$. Tiny savings add up when you scale. Semi manufacturers will fight over 0.1MPG savings per truck when talking to Walmart and other fleet operators.

      And if you want to live in the woods and rub two sticks together you can still do that. Amish were left be. No one is going to steal your tea kettle. I can still find VCRs on sale in the store, you'll find your tea kettle too.

    2. Re:Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tea kettles without Internet will always be cheaper than those with Internet connection ..."

      Not necessarily.

      Old school tea kettles - like many old school items - were designed when companies and people actually took pride in their work and made quality, lasting products. As time goes on, more and more people are realising the true value of old school products.

      Tea kettles with the IOT may have (unnecessary) connectivity - and will be cheaply made using planned obsolescence techniques - ultimately requiring the consumer continually to re-purchase a tea kettle.

      The sturdy ol' whistling tea kettle from 1972 may be blackened but it still functions perfectly!

      While others are busy installing updates and removing viruses and cookies from the kettle, some of us will actually be sitting there enjoying a nice cup of tea.

    3. Re:Two comments by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Very good point. My parents bought an electric oven range in the 60's, and finally got rid of it sometime last year. That thing worked reliably over time, and did undergo several electrical and mechanical repairs, before throwing in the towel.

      Thanks to the 'Made in China' syndrome, it's impossible to find anything as rugged these days

    4. Re:Two comments by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The sturdy ol' whistling tea kettle from 1972 may be blackened but it still functions perfectly!

      Because all the ones that failed from 1972 got thrown away. Survivorship bias.

      While others are busy installing updates and removing viruses and cookies from the kettle,

      Not if it was designed correctly.

    5. Re:Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horses are cheaper than cars, but that didn't stop cars from obsoleting buggies.

      Why? Because the cars created more value for their owners than the incremental additional cost over owning a horse cost the owner.

      In a nut - they had features that horses didn't have, and those features were desirable to consumers. Now, you can argue whether or not the features enabled by an internet-connected coffee pot are worth the additional expense it incurs, and for some - perhaps most, or all - it will not be a worthwhile cost. But blanket assertions that "X will fail because it's more expensive than Y" are idiotic.

    6. Re:Two comments by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Cars offered at least an order of magnitude improvement in travel times, and an undefined improvement in cargo load, over horses. The benefits to the economy were clear and immediate.

      Do not confuse that with an IoT enabled coffee pot or toaster. They *will not* offer anything close to an order of magnitude improvement to either the quality, or efficiency, of our daily lives.

      For this reason alone they will simply be a trifle for the weathy and a fun (and rewarding!) hobby for enthusiasts. What the IoT most certainly will not do is allow you to watch TV for an extra hour each evening...

    7. Re:Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no software will ever prevent a nigro from entering your home, eating your hands covered in chicken and raping all your loved ones and pets

      only a gun or living in a place with no nigros will do it

      so future man, your shit means nothing at all, just like self driving cars and all that CRAP

    8. Re:Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good points.
      If things in the kitchen are in an "always ready to go" state though you will be spending more in the long run. That $0.1 savings a week butts against a extra $0.4 expenditure. So you end up losing $0.3 per week. X300,000,000

    9. Re:Two comments by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      You won't actually be purchasing the tea kettle but getting a temporary, but revocable license to use the tea kettle, as long as the manufacturer decides to support that model. On a side note a tea kettle that comes with cookies could actually be a tasty advantage.

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    10. Re:Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main purpose of these IoT devices is NOT to give you more control of your home, but to spy on you and report back to their corporate masters! So NONE of that IoT crap will ever enter my home! Even if I were dumb enough to pay the far ,far,far too high prices for a so called "smart" phone, I wouldn't want to try to control any of my home appliances, lights, or heating/air conditioning with it. Also, since none of these devices has any built-in security features, they are just begging to be hacked! How would you like it if your heat/air conditioning, TV, fridge, and whatever other internet connected devices you have ALL stopped working until you pay a ransom? It WILL and already HAS happened! JUST SAY NO! DO NOT buy these spy devices for your home!!!!!

    11. Re:Two comments by unixisc · · Score: 1

      All that depends on how the IoT is set up

    12. Re:Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The past is strewn with bad ideas that people hoped would be progress. Rejecting an idea is not the same as rejecting progress. BTW for such a front runner of technology compared to cavemen like ourselves you have apparently missed that now there are inverter microwaves(these put out partial energy rather than cycling on and off) as well as stovetops with PID control for the lower temps and ovens with separate control of 4 different heat elements. People are criticizing the "phone home" aspect of IOT devices. I suspect there is frustration as many of the desirable features of such devices should not require any phoning home. Such sentiments do not equate with being a Luddite.

    13. Re:Two comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tea kettles without Internet will always be cheaper than those with Internet connection, hence the "internet of things" bubble will burst.

      How have you survived this long without push notifications that your water is boiling?

  2. You heard it here first by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    IoSTWRC.

    Internet of shiny things with rounded corners.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    1. Re:You heard it here first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri, please help me! My toaster doesn't like me and I fear it might plan to kill me ...

    2. Re: You heard it here first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a bagel?

    3. Re:You heard it here first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think your auton likes being referred to as a toaster.

    4. Re:You heard it here first by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      By your command.

  3. Where are the new MACS??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To heck with talking to my light switches and thermostat. I would like to see some new Mac desktop hardware already. Please?????

  4. who buys this stuff? by nimbius · · Score: 2

    Among slashdotters, how many of you have bought any of this landfill fodder? and how long before failure to properly participate in the "internet of things" and "voice assistant" markets along with facebook and twitter isnt considered simply unorthodox, but criminally suspicious?

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    1. Re:who buys this stuff? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I bought some like 10 years ago (Apple TV), it's in a landfill now.

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    2. Re:who buys this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you referring to? I've got 5 Z Wave switches in the house and a hub to speak to them. I plan on getting some sensors. It's possible to automate some things without being a nutbar.

    3. Re:who buys this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an Echo in my gym, it's especially nice when I have my hands taped up, have bulky gloves on, etc. and don't want to fiddle with music controls. It also handles background noise much, much better than Siri. Siri has maybe a 15% accuracy rate when the gym is dead quiet, forget about doing anything with it while actually exercising.

    4. Re:who buys this stuff? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I have. I use it daily. I finally just connected the lights to Alexa and set into reading the man pages for home-assistant and making my config file.

      ESP32 boards are cheap have lots of IO and are coming.

    5. Re:who buys this stuff? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      I have a house full of Z Wave stuff (SmartThings), SONOS speakers, Samsung smart TVs, and a few Alexas to integrate it. It's nice to have it all integrated, and as I go on with my day the house responds and takes care of itself. Watering the garden, turning on and off lights and heating, playing the media I want, even recognizing when I ride up on my motorcycle and automatically opening the garage door and turning on some lights for me (if it's after dark), with no need to fumble for a remote.

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    6. Re:who buys this stuff? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of that Futurama where the mechanical arm goes to pour beer into Bender's mouth but, because Bender is slouching, the mechanical arm pours the beer where his mouth would have been had Bender not been slouching.

      Rather than moving the couple of centimeters necessary to get the beer poured directly into his mouth Bender exclaims: What is this, the dark ages?!

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    7. Re:who buys this stuff? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I do not own a Kindle. I do not own a Fire tablet. I do not own a Fire stick. I do not own an Echo.
      I do not own a Chromebook. I do not own a laptop. I do not own a Chromecast. I do not use my phone to "cast" to my TV. I do not own a Google TV device. I do not own a Nest device.
      I do not own an iPad. I do not own an iPod. I do not own a Mac, book or otherwise. I do not own an iPhone.

      I do own a dumb TV with great response times and good picture quality. I do own several PCs, one of which is connected to that TV. I do own game consoles. I do own an old Android phone. I do own some Philips Hue lights. The "battle for my living room" was won a while back by my custom display case filled with Amiibo and some LED lightstrips I control via the Hue bridge.

    8. Re:who buys this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did people buy into MMO's and steam? They do the same thing as "itnernet of things" company has a direct ability to spy on your gaming habits and usage as well as inserting their code onto your computer.

      I'd say many slashdotters are hypocrits, the last 20 years I've watched people who are tech literate and the average gamer/pc gamer give away their rights to big corps. The free market is a myth since most of humanity is irrational and ignorant when it comes to technology.

  5. Echo by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    ... including Amazon's sleeper hit, the Echo...

    The Echo is a hit? Citation, please.

    1. Re:Echo by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Maybe not in the demographic you know but I know a lot of people with them. The Dash is already on V2 and they're selling them by the 5 pack. We're thinking of picking some up just so that I can take Alexa out to the shop or to my Office.

    2. Re:Echo by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Looks like all those links were written by the same PR firm.

    3. Re:Echo by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      The Echo is a hit? Citation, please.

      Heh. http://www.dictionary.com/brow...
      Noun, 24.

    4. Re:Echo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot?

    5. Re:Echo by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      No, I'm someone that values my time.

    6. Re:Echo by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Here you go. They've sold around 4-5 million so far, and are expecting 10 million next year. That's pretty good volume for a $180 consumer product.

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    7. Re:Echo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if its not a hit why is apple trying to copy it?

    8. Re:Echo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Echo is a hit? Citation, please.

      http://www.geekwire.com/2016/report-amazon-sold-3-million-echo-smart-speakers-awareness-grows/

      You're welcome.

  6. Internet of (some) Things by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Some things could use Internet connectivity and be useful. Like home security systems, garage door openers.... Let's say I was at work and my kid returned home but nobody was there. He could text me, I'd from my cell phone open the house so that he could get in, w/o having to disrupt my meeting and come home. Or my car could be internet enabled and update the maps the GPS unit uses (to date, I haven't figured out how to update the maps of my Subaru Starlink system) when Apple or Google or Bing update theirs.

    But I agree - the idea of internet enabled coffee makers or fridges or microwaves is a fantasy. I don't need to start cooking my food from the minute I get into the car for the commute home. I can manually do it once I get there

    One of the things driving this is the desire of companies to automate everything, and get rid of the few jobs we have left.

    1. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'd from my cell phone open the house so that he could get in"

      And therein lies the problem. Companies can't make these secure, so odds are a criminal will be opening your doors when you aren't home.

      Your better off just having a hidden key around back that only you and your kid know about.

    2. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To pick out one thing, I can see a potential use of an internet-enabled fridge: telemetry data. Recording average temperatures of fridge and freezer, alerting if temperature rises above X, etc. But it is pointless for the fridge to know when you're out of eggs :)

    3. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies don't make these secure, so odds are a criminal will be opening your doors when you aren't home.

      FTFY. Obviously anything connected has risk, but I'd wager you can make an internet-connected garage door opener as secure as a remote-controlled one.

    4. Re:Internet of (some) Things by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I don't mind the fridge knowing when I am out of eggs, and I don't mind it letting me know. But I very much do mind if the fridge lets Apple, Google or Samsung know. I have a fairly extensive Home Automation setup, but it is strictly an intranet of things, and I'd like to keep it that way.

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    5. Re:Internet of (some) Things by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Telemetry data would be useless - why would any external entity have to monitor the temperature of my fridge?

      As for my fridge knowing when I'm out of eggs, I might see its use if one has a packed fridge - like my parents often have, where one has to be an archeologist to reach for the ice cream. But aside from that, there is no reason why I can't open the fridge while doing my shopping list, checking out what's missing or what I wanna replace, and then going out and getting it.

    6. Re: Internet of (some) Things by BellyJelly · · Score: 1

      You do realise you could get your kid a key cut, and it would be much cheaper. If your kid is old enough to be going home alone, he's old enough to have a key. Or leave a spare key with a neighbour, like people used to when they knew and talked to their neighbours.

    7. Re: Internet of (some) Things by unixisc · · Score: 1

      People forget their keys. Just yesterday, I accidentally stepped out of my house w/o the keys, and had to call in a locksmith. It was one of those ugly expensive locks too. Having something like this would be a godsend. Obviously, having it secure so that only the owners have its access would be important as well.

    8. Re:Internet of (some) Things by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, when they say 'Internet of Things', shouldn't the accurate description of it really be 'VPN of things'? Like it would be a network that I can control from anywhere, regardless of whether I'm home or not. Like in the example of being at work but having to let someone in, I could, even though I'm outside my home network, connect to that network via a remote, secure connection, then do whatever I need to within it, and then exit the network. So if I had asked for the pest control guys to enter, I could, when they call me telling me they are there, have the doors opened for them and let them do their thing. But there is no reason for anyone else to have that access or control, in the same way that you don't hook up a printer to the external internet.

    9. Re: Internet of (some) Things by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Also, I mentioned my kid as an example, but there could be other people I need to let in, but who I wouldn't want to give permanent access to. Like home maintenance personnel. So someone is asked to come and fix a leak, I can use this to let him in even though I'm at work, so that the fact that he may not work on weekends doesn't hurt. But there's no way I'm gonna give them a key to my home, when the entry is only authorized for that one occasion. For people who rent, it may not be an issue, since there is the Rental office, but not all homes have that.

    10. Re: Internet of (some) Things by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      Good thing you can't lose or misplace your phone.

    11. Re: Internet of (some) Things by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      You're going to let some stranger into your house unaccompanied?

      No thanks

    12. Re: Internet of (some) Things by unixisc · · Score: 1

      All of us don't always have the luxury of taking time off work to be around and supervise those strangers, who usually drop into the home at their convenience. So one either trusts that they won't walk away w/ your TV, or don't bother getting the repairs done (especially if those people are not available on weekends).

    13. Re: Internet of (some) Things by unixisc · · Score: 1

      While it can happen, the likelihood of people losing both phone and keys are pretty low

    14. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      Or you could say, just give the kid a key to the front door like everyone has for years and years. My car is connected to the internet, and I get an email report monthly regarding fuel and engine performance, tire air pressure and other generally simplistic things that anyone who maintains a car should know how to do. I have numerous automated things in the house, lights, auto watering systems, a proximity opening pet door and the only one that really needs or benefits from internet connectivity are the cameras on my alarm system, and I can never be sure it is really secure, though I've checked it out thoroughly and monitor the firewall closely. When I am home I disable the cameras and leave the exterior sensors on.

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    15. Re: Internet of (some) Things by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      Put me down as one of the people who doesn't trust random strangers to be unaccompanied in my home.

      I can get a plumber or electrician 24/7. So can you if you try. That the random strangers you let into your house unaccompanied are also unreliable suggests you need to find more reliable strangers to wander around your house when you aren't at home.

    16. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wouldn't take much to make it more secure than your average lock, which itself is more secure than the average door the average lock is installed. In short, your house is Swiss cheese compared to an account with a reputable tech company.

    17. Re: Internet of (some) Things by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      I often step out of my house without my phone or my keys. It isn't a problem because, like most homes, my doors don't automatically lock when I step outside.

      You might want to get yours fixed.

    18. Re: Internet of (some) Things by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you about letting strangers in my house when I'm not there, the last time I needed a 24/7 electrician, he charged 3X what the 9/5 guy would have charged.

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    19. Re:Internet of (some) Things by klubar · · Score: 1

      The failure mode of fridges is generally much simpler. Most over temp conditions are due either to power loss (in which case your temperature monitoring and/or internet is out), catastrophic failure (in which case it's pretty obvious) or someone leaving the door open. For the last 20 years or so, fridges have had audible alarms when the door is open for more than a minute or two -- which pretty much solves the problem for a COG of about $10.

      On the other hand, I really would like a bar code scanner on the fridge so when I use up an item, I can just scan it and have it added to my grocery list/order. (I guess I could use a phone for this instead.)

      I struggle with what my fridge really has to say to me. Perhaps there are a few appliances that are smart and have interesting things to say, but the fridge isn't high on the list. Alarm systems, maybe, but for alarms 24x7 reliability is critical and the IOT folks haven't been particularly successful at demonstrating this. Maybe a thermostat, but except for vacation houses it's hard to see the benefit of being able to remotely control/monitor temperature.

           

    20. Re: Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called trust. It's the basics of a lot of "person-to-person" commerce. The plumber is a guy who lives in the neighbor, I see his kids at school. Back before everything was IoT you would actually talk to people.

      The all monitor, all the time economy just gives a fails sense of security.

       

    21. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telemetry data would be useless - why would any external entity have to monitor the temperature of my fridge?

      Off-hand? Manufacturer could monitor for alerts and issues reported by the fridge, or anomalous readings, and contact you to schedule preventive maintenance before the fridge blows up and ruins the $500 in food you've got in there. Power company could monitor it's status to learn (and perhaps shape) peak demand, which can reduce overall energy rates. Now, are these particularly valuable? Maybe not. But it's certainly possible that some external person or service could offer you some reason to let them see the telemetry data from your fridge.

      But aside from that, there is no reason why I can't open the fridge while doing my shopping list, checking out what's missing or what I wanna replace, and then going out and getting it.

      Yeah, there's no reason you can't do that. Until you realize that you forgot to check the fridge this morning, you don't know if you've got eggs in the fridge, and you're stopping at the grocery store between picking your kids up from school and heading home to make them dinner, and it won't do you much good to get home to make people dinner if you have nothing to prepare it with. In a perfect world, where everybody has a great routine, your solution is perfect. But there are plenty of people who are not you who have hectic lives, and for whom a feature like this could save a fair degree of hassle and/or wasted money.

    22. Re:Internet of (some) Things by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      On top of this, and in support of your post AC, the internet never sleeps. Once a device goes online the hordes of scrupulous internet users will hammer on the security relentlessly until it caves. In addition to my fear-mongering, I have to point out that digital exploits spread non-linearly: a new exploit can render entire systems inoperative in minutes to hours of reaching the wild. For this reason alone there are no valid comparisons with physical systems.

    23. Re:Internet of (some) Things by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Nice post, but:

      "Power company could monitor it's status to learn (and perhaps shape) peak demand, which can reduce overall energy rates."

      I've never understood why anyone would trust the wolves for advice on how to secure the hen-house!?!

    24. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A dozen eggs is about $2. They're good for a couple of weeks. Just buy the eggs already.

    25. Re: Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put me down as one of the people who doesn't trust random strangers to be unaccompanied in my home.

      Put me down as one of the people who has a locked door between his basement utility room and the rest of the house. I regularly leave the door from the exterior of the house into the basement utility room unlocked when I have someone coming in to do service on the water, air, sprinkler, or heating systems.

      I would be very comfortable with a system like this attached to the basement utility room, so that a contractor could call me when he arrives so I can unlock it for him, rather than leave my utility room completely unsecured all day long. It'd be a more secure solution than the current setup. I could even see a great use in an internet connected video system attached to the entries, so when the contractor calls to say he's there, I can actually check to confirm that he is, in fact there, and is, in fact doing the work I've asked him to, rather than masturbating in the corner of my basement. Seems like it'd actually be a good thing, I'd buy that. Even if somebody compromised it, what could they do? Get a video feed showing the exterior entrances of my house, and get easier access to my utility room. Given that the door is in the rear of my house, and I live on a cul-de-sac such that the rear of my house faces wetlands, it'd be trivially easy for somebody to just smash their way into the utility room without being noticed anyway, so I doubt that the hacker solution makes me any more vulnerable than I am currently.

    26. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never understood why anyone would trust the wolves for advice on how to secure the hen-house!?!

      For starters, the "wolves" have utility rates set by the government. They are also strictly regulated, because they're public utilities.

      Also, the hens pay the fucking electrical bills charged by the wolves, and would notice a sudden, massive spike in how much they're spending on electricity, and might even squawk to the government, who regulates the wolves.

      The energy company has peaks and valleys of demand - it's in *their* interest to help eliminate the peaks and smooth out demand so that they don't have to build a 1500 MW power plant that's going to sit 80% idle for 50% of the day, when they could build a 750 MW power plant that's much cheaper, and has a higher utilization rate. They have an incentive to smooth that demand curve, so in this case, the wolves are also paying a lot of money to keep the hen house less secure than it could be.

    27. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice post, but:

      "Power company could monitor it's status to learn (and perhaps shape) peak demand, which can reduce overall energy rates."

      I've never understood why anyone would trust the wolves for advice on how to secure the hen-house!?!

      I take it you've never heard of a sheep dog then?

    28. Re:Internet of (some) Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, and if your refrigerator is already full, those extra eggs won't last for a couple weeks sitting on the counter in 90 degree heat.

      Not everybody has a full sized refrigerator that contains nothing but a 6-pack of beer, 3 slim jims, and 12 hot pockets.

      Forever-alone detected.

  7. my room is free from them forever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck 'em all!

  8. How? Please tell me how? by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

    How can I get the latest apps on my Internet-enabled milk package in my mom's basement without leaving the basement? Does anybody know how? Can I use my magic golden Apple bracelet for it?

    1. Re:How? Please tell me how? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      How much for the magic golden Apple bracelet?

    2. Re:How? Please tell me how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And does it regenerate my health?

    3. Re:How? Please tell me how? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Raise the dead? We could bring the real Steve back.

    4. Re:How? Please tell me how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from the depths of hell? no thanks.

  9. But can it control apple tv? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    I was considering buying a echo dot but discovered it couldn't control the fire tv.

    Will apple have better luck making their own stuff work together?

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    1. Re:But can it control apple tv? by sh00z · · Score: 1

      I was considering buying a echo dot but discovered it couldn't control the fire tv.

      Will apple have better luck making their own stuff work together?

      I'm guessing yes, because the new "Home" app in iOS 10 is like an IoT control center, and some of these "hub" features were put into the TVOS update, and iOS10 for iPad.

  10. Conceded Bedroom? Already!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, a gay man would be afraid. Steve would already be in there!

    True! A!! true!

  11. Bundle in conversion therapy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many people have converted from Apple to Android but Google should also promote conversion therapy to prevent these users from reverting to Apple.

  12. Too Late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've already kicked all three of them out of the house.

    Suckas!

  13. We Are Safe No Where by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple Is Getting Ready To Take On Google and Amazon In a Battle For The Living Room

    All three are already on our bedrooms and bathrooms. Is there no where left with a little privacy?

    1. Re:We Are Safe No Where by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bedroom and bathroom? ...wha?

      Is it because you have your phone phone on you at all times like a ball and chain? If so, then yes it's in your living room too.
      Otherwise, just WTF Google/Amazon products do you have in those rooms? And why?

      Do they make smart toilets or something?

  14. Not My Living Room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't trust any of these companies (Apple, Amazon, Google) to safeguard my privacy.
    Why would I let you into my living room with a 24/7 microphone?

    1. Re:Not My Living Room by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      That's right. I only trust my cable company.

  15. Smart enough to know which Siri? by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

    If they're going to do this, I'd like to see if they can do better than Microsoft (low bar, I know).

    Right now, if I happen to be on my Win10 laptop while watching Netflix on the Xbox One, I could say "Hey Cortana, pause!".

    The Xbox One pauses the show.

    The laptop says "I'm sorry, but I can't do that right now."

    It is like they really didn't expect any Xbox One owners to have a Windows 10 laptop.

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    1. Re:Smart enough to know which Siri? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they gave people too much credit.

      Come on guys, nobody's actually gonna buy both of these stupid things, are they? LOL

      But here you are...

      How's the telemetry? How's the ol' XBONE and its exclusives? Titanfall still going strong? Halo Master Chief Collection doing well?

    2. Re:Smart enough to know which Siri? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Heh! I can imagine the Siris on my iPad, iPhone, and iWatch all saying "I don't understand what you just said" in unison.

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    3. Re:Smart enough to know which Siri? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im sure siri can limbo under that low bar just fine

  16. Echo is NOT a hit by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    These stories are always submitted by "Anonymous" claiming obliquely that the Echo is a "sleeper hit". There are a lot of "research" companies that claim that Amazon has sold a bunch too. All lies.
    Notice these two links ALSO claim a "sleeper hit" (exact words):

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/...
    https://www.theguardian.com/te...

    I call PR bullshit here. I doubt they have sold many Echos at all.

    1. Re:Echo is NOT a hit by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Presumably, somewhere around 3 million have sold. Is that a lot? I have no idea, ha. Seems decent? At, say, an average price of $170, that's about $500 million in revenue.

  17. Boy I have news for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFY from the summary: Apple/Google/Amazon are already taking the money from your pocket.

    And that's all there is to it. The more, the better (for them).

    As I seldom have pockets in the bedroom or bathroom, they are not welcome there.

  18. Walled Garden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Apple keeps insisting to limit things to their ecosystem by making it frustrating if not impossible to use anything Apple doesn't make or sell they will never win. I recently had to start using an iPad Air 2 for a project and I just can't understand why anyone would like them if they weren't all Apple already. They are so annoyingly restrictive and pretending not to be a computer just makes it worse. Just trying to copy a couple of files Apple thinks it doesn't understand how to open (when there are apps that will) is an exercise in masochism. The alternatives have some problems as well but there is nothing worse than trying to use something Apple when you aren't 100% in their world.

  19. Kitchen IoT by unixisc · · Score: 1

    As far as the kitchen goes, if kitchen IoT could tell me that the rotisserie chicken I'm preparing in the oven is getting overcooked or burnt, I can see the use. In fact, if IoT allows the oven to warn me about it burning while I'm busy watching videos on my iPad, that's pretty useful - that way, I can watch the whole thing w/o interrupting myself to go and turn off the oven, or remove the hen. But some of the things that have been promoted - like an alarm clock being used to trigger my coffee machine when I wake up - is pretty worthless.

    1. Re:Kitchen IoT by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      You have to start somewhere. 90% of the stuff I see coming to the kitchen is still pieced together as wires. It's companies scrambling to find a market for their old appliances without asking what people need. Get a bunch of cheap dev kits to aspiring cooks that can program and see what shakes out in 5-10 years. I just got MicroPython on a $3 board. That's damn amazing in my book growing up longing for a dev kit I could afford on my birthday money.

      The IoT can do that, and more. You pull a frozen turkey from the freezer, put it into the cooking appliance. It weighs it, texts you asking how you want it done and then ramp soaks the perfect cooking profile and you get a text message when it's done. All of the pieces exist they just need pieced together.

      Compare 'now' to 1980s. This all is going to look that much different in 2052.

    2. Re:Kitchen IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My non-iot oven will cook anything without burning or the internet. I set it to 170, put the meat in, go to work and its ready when I come home. I haven't tried chicken, but it works with turkey, roasts, ribs etc.

    3. Re:Kitchen IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try the chicken, its delicious!!

  20. Siri is not autonomous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siri may soon be making the jump from your pocket to your end table.

    Thankfully not, as Siri is not autonomous. Yet.

    It isn't welcome on my person or in my house at all while I still have a choice.
    I guess once Siri is not only autonomous, but armed, I'll become a statistic.

  21. The blind youth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...The device would also be able to control other internet-connected devices in the home, such as lights, door locks,...

    After reading that, I lost interest in even reading the article. NO!

  22. "Sleeper hit"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is a "hit" a tech product that only sold 3 million units in two years?

    1. Re:"Sleeper hit"? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      That's about the same sales pace as Apple TV, annually. So I assume that if the Echo isn't a hit - neither is the Apple TV. Which doesn't bode well for Apple's play into the living room...

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  23. Of course... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    This will mean that Apple will necessarily have to interoperate with other home automation systems.... It seems unlikely to me for some reason...

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  24. Already tried and lost by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Apple tried several times - and lost (speakers, various TV and media servers, etc). The only way they become relevant in the living room is if they buy a major player in the living room, like Netflix (content) or SONOS (audio delivery) or Vizio (video delivery). Short of that - they're not going to make headway.

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  25. Getting ready? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    The first time I heard this story was in 1995 or so. I'm sure we've heard it for longer than that. Apple was getting ready to take on the living room, fighting with Microsoft. We heard it again, over and over (the fight for the living room between Wii/Xbox/Playstation).

    At the end of the day, no one is going to want ads on their thermostat.

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    1. Re:Getting ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the end of the day, we will do as we're told by big corporations.

    2. Re:Getting ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not all of us are apple compliant

  26. Not exactly a citation, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... including Amazon's sleeper hit, the Echo...

    The Echo is a hit? Citation, please.

    I know one couple who has an Amazon echo. He and his wife are both morons, believe "W" was a genius, and are narcissistic sociopaths to boot (even easier than before to identify now that we have the orange example to observe and compare to on a daily basis). Their only saving grace? They are so boring to talk to, that the NSA probably won't be bothered to listen in.

    1. Re:Not exactly a citation, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now they sound like apples target market.

  27. That's it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All hands, evacuate to the kitchen! Hold the toilets! Don't get caught in the crossfire and get ready to defend yourself if attacked!

    1. Re:That's it! by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Why, is Doctor Who coming in to land?

  28. Thank god for the Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's our only hope against giant-tech-company products.

  29. Is getting up to search the Internet that hard? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    I really don't get why, other than perhaps for the novelty factor, you'd want something that's only voice activated, that furthermore is surveilling every sound in your house the entire time it's plugged in? Honestly, is it really that much of an inconvenience in 2016 for people to get up and go to their computer (or grab their tablet, or their phone, or their laptop) and look things up on an Internet search engine? Or start some music? Or send an email? Honestly, have people become so lazy?

  30. So what you're saying is.. by kuzb · · Score: 1

    ....apple is about to introduce some absurdly overpriced thing with a market that has absurdly overpriced content.

    What you're really telling me is that Apple is getting ready to set sail for fail.

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    1. Re:So what you're saying is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      again...

  31. Hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Apple, Google OR Amazon want control of my "living room" they need to replace Comcast. I don't do "broadcast" TV at all, just internet. So "set-top" or other old-school "television" type devices are an anachronism at my house. Comcast though, I'd like to see replaced. Right now, my only options are Comcast or AT&T DSL, both of which really suck and are too expensive. And I have fiber to the curb which may have been supported by the city (not sure about that). I was really hoping Google would figure out an alternative but that's looking less likely last time I read something about where they were at with it. But attacking Google, Amazon OR Apple is goofy at this point, Comcast is in charge here.